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2 hours ago, a1ex2001 said:

Those in this thread saying they hope he leaves and trying to paint JWP as a poor player need to go stand in the corner for a bit and think about how dense they are being.  I'm fully aware he is not KDB but he is a class above every other midfielder at the club 

So a bloke who calls other supporters dense, thinks Prowse is a “class above” Lavia 😂

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I am amazed at some of the anti JWP comments on here.

He is hard working player, rarely injured and, as far as I am concerned, has never given anything other than 100% commitment to the cause which is all I would ask for from any player in my very long association with the club.

He is also a bright lad who represents the club in the right way.

I do understand some of the comments re his lack of 'incisive' passing but this is primarily due to lack of movement by players in the final third of the field of play.

In my humble opinion I think JWP has been a credit to the club

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Too right! People here need to cool off. I'll miss him loads - and I think it'll be clear how vital he is if he leaves. Part of me thinks he will stay - if he does, he will keep pocketing a massive cheque, and ensure club legend status. I think if SR bring on a decent manager, JWP could possibly be persuaded to stay, maybe on the condition that we will let him go if promotion fails next year.

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15 minutes ago, spyinthesky said:

I am amazed at some of the anti JWP comments on here.

He is hard working player, rarely injured and, as far as I am concerned, has never given anything other than 100% commitment to the cause which is all I would ask for from any player in my very long association with the club.

He is also a bright lad who represents the club in the right way.

I do understand some of the comments re his lack of 'incisive' passing but this is primarily due to lack of movement by players in the final third of the field of play.

In my humble opinion I think JWP has been a credit to the club

We are trying to slag off a girlfriend who we think is gonna dump us, it's a emotional protection response.

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1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

So a bloke who calls other supporters dense, thinks Prowse is a “class above” Lavia 😂

Currently I would say yes, Lavia has shown incredible potential this season and could go in to be a better player, could also fizzle out into nothing.  JWP has been consistently good for years!

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11 minutes ago, a1ex2001 said:

Currently I would say yes, Lavia has shown incredible potential this season and could go in to be a better player, could also fizzle out into nothing.  JWP has been consistently good for years!

Jwp has been awful this season 

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1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

So a bloke who calls other supporters dense, thinks Prowse is a “class above” Lavia 😂

Lavia has been pretty good for his age and has huge potential, But he hasnt been better than JWP, JWP is top for attacking actions and top on defensive actions, Lavia looks lavish with his style of play and trying to muscle his way out of shit, but he loses possesion far more than JWP, and doesnt exactly burst a gut to get back after losing the ball either, a nice slow stroll mostly does it, His passing comes up short mostly too, or it is mostly backwards as he has shown over the course of the season, in which he has only half of jwps progressive passes, and half of jwps passing distance covered. i guess we can say he drove forward with the ball at his feet a whole 3 times more and covered a whole 9 yards more with the ball at his feet than JWP over the season. But thats about it tbf.

But he is young, and he looks to have a huge amount of " potential " and could certainly become better than JWP.

But we all thought that about Lemonaid Lemina too, and look at what happened to him..........

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JWP would have/will be perfect for the new possession ethos we're moving forwards with. It'll be a shame if he does go to a West Ham who I've seen linked tonight as he'd never have gone there if we hadn't have been relegated. I reckon only the traditional top six clubs and Newcastle now could have tempted him if we stayed up. Now it's a bit more unpredictable.

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I think the only way he'll stay is if clubs don't meet our asking price.

Personally I could see him being here at the start of the season, scoring a couple of free kicks, and then a Premier League team who have started the new season poorly getting desperate come the end of August possibly.

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7 hours ago, a1ex2001 said:

I don't think anyone here thinks he should be in England's starting 11 do they?  I certainly don't!  He should as he is be in and around the squad and I think he has been unlucky not to get more caps, if he put up similar numbers at a bigger club he would no doubt be selected more often.


He should have been in for the last tournament. Taking Phillips over him, in the form he was in at the time was a ridiculous decision. 
 

Unfortunately the club has dragged him down to their level this season.  

For all the absolute muppets on here that slate him; just watch and see how well he does in a better team next season.
 

As someone above said, he is an absolute credit to the club and the city unlike the rest of the club. I can’t believe our ridiculous fan base that slate our captain who is the one that cares. Have a word with yourselves 

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16 hours ago, a1ex2001 said:

Currently I would say yes, Lavia has shown incredible potential this season and could go in to be a better player, could also fizzle out into nothing.  JWP has been consistently good for years!

He’s not “a class above” Lavia.

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i dont get peoples expectation for jwp to be something he just isnt,hes a very fit,steady bread and butter midfielder with a great set piece shot,thats it.On another note i think saints unless they get a stupid offer will keep him for another season as they would lose nothing as he would still have 2 years left contract wise

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32 minutes ago, sledger said:

i dont get peoples expectation for jwp to be something he just isnt,hes a very fit,steady bread and butter midfielder with a great set piece shot,thats it.On another note i think saints unless they get a stupid offer will keep him for another season as they would lose nothing as he would still have 2 years left contract wise

Yes, and if rumours are of either replacing Rice at WHU (who'll leave for big bucks) or joining mega rich NU then we can absolutely pull their pants down. We need to stand firm this window and make sure we get an absolute premium for these players. If Dragan is more involved, then maybe he'll play proper hardball.

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1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

He’s not “a class above” Lavia.

Would be curious to see how many goals, assists, and chance creations etc. per 90 does Lavia have to his name? how many 90min does Lavia manage - bearing in mind JWP will be running for 90+8min etc every single game of the season for what, 4 years now? Against that, how does Lavia perform defensively in comparison to JWP? I suspect the answer is that yes, JWP is the better player for saints right now.

Ideally we keep both and Alcaraz - we know Lavia is going for circa £40M next summer either way. We have parachute payments, players like Ely and Walcott are on relativley big wages and leaving, the young players are on lower wages and long contracts (so aren't a liability), and the squad has circa 40% wage reduction clauses... If saints are ambitious and want to build a "young" project, then we should be trying to build and gel a team by winning the champ. If we sell players like KWP, ABK, Salisu, Tella (rather not), Orsic, Onuachu, Adams etc - but kept Lavia and JWP, would anyone actually complain?

How many sales do we actually HAVE to make given the parachute payments and wage reductions? Sod it, you can chuck in sales of Lyanco and Perraud for all i care - JWP, Lavia, and to a less extend Alcaraz are our stars. Also shifting the above off of the wages and replacing with cheaper wage players would help - and that can absolutely be achieved in a summer rehaul. IMO we should be keeping those 3 and doing trades on basically every other player in the squad (if it comes to it) before we consider selling them - if we have any actual ambition to go up this season.

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18 hours ago, beatlesaint said:

I don’t understand why people think he will stay. He owes the club and supporters nothing. He’s of the age now where a move is really his only option. He’s not staying, not a cat in hells chance.

Because he clearly loves the club, is well grounded, and has a happily family life settled in the area?

I think he'll only go to be a regular at a top 10 club and preferably he wants European football. If he can't get that, he'll have to weigh up what his legacy will be when he retires - what will be be able to look back on, what will give him the most satisfaction? His only chance at all with england is playing regularly at a top club and performing well (and that's if its even possible over the likes of Philips, Rice, Bellingham, Gallagher etc). After that he'll want European football... and he'll want that free kick record... Will he trade the possibility of leading saints back to promotion against just playing premier league football for another club? That's clearly a decision for him and i doubt many really know his mind on that - but i bet it would be a tough choice for him. FWIW, I think he'll try to hold fire this summer, see what the rebuild looks like, and make a decision on his future at the back end of the window depending on whether he thinks we can get promoted or not - If SR mess about doing another 18year old investment team he'll definitely want out.

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Agree with the above around the possibility he could stay next year, and I think it'd be more to do with our valuation than any burning desire to stay. 

He's our captain, got 3 years left on his deal and there's no real need to sell. Combine this with obvious "emotional" attachment from the clubs side and the fact he is probably one of the only experienced heads in the squad, I think our valuation would be far higher than a prospective buyers. I'd be surprised if we settled for any less than about £40-50m for him and other clubs would see a hard working, tidy, set piece specialist who at 28 can add depth to an existing midfield, but not at that price.

I don't think it's inconceivable that Lavia stays either, but probably more to do with Man City than us or him. With the way we know football works now, I find it hard to believe that Man City would prefer to take a sell on fee and see him play for a rival without even trying to organise some form of commitment/agreement around the buy-back and have a word with the outgoing Wilcox. We've been linked with Borges and I'd assume Wilcox would have his eyes on a few other youngsters so would it be a surprise to see a few favourable loans or cut down fees with buy-backs on the premise we keep Lavia until the buy-back is live next year.

Obviously, Man City are renowned for their conformity to the rules... so maybe that suggestion is too underhand but I'm interested to see how it pans out.

It's a big decision all round because in my mind, I think keeping or losing a potential midfield of JWP, Lavia and Alcaraz in this supposed new system could be the difference between a season of mediocrity or a promotion push.

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If we can believe Martin is going to be the next Manager, given his supposed style of possession based play, he would be well advised to build a team around JWP. He’s intelligent, has high possession stats (!!!) knows the club inside out and is after all the Captain. Only downside is he’s a senior player who has been part of a shambolic losing mentality for at least 3 seasons now and as such, perhaps not the best choice to lead the team going forwards. With two years left on his contract, Saints have hold of the strings (for once).

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19 hours ago, a1ex2001 said:

Currently I would say yes, Lavia has shown incredible potential this season and could go in to be a better player, could also fizzle out into nothing.  JWP has been consistently good for years!

A consistent starter in the PL could fizzle out into nothing…. What is JWP then, other than a consistent starter in the PL. 

Lavia is already a better player and will go on to be a much better player than JWP. 

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19 hours ago, beatlesaint said:

I don’t understand why people think he will stay. He owes the club and supporters nothing. He’s of the age now where a move is really his only option. He’s not staying, not a cat in hells chance.

The fact that he has signed a contract means that he does in fact owe us two more years. Just as the club owe him those same two hears.

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10 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

I’m still confident he’ll stay, he seems a lot more switched on than footballers are given credit for.

I think the club will be desperate to keep him. Wouldn't surprise me if he didn't have a relegation wage drop clause in his contract either. All depends if he tries to force a move through or not. He may be willing to give us another year, see where we are in January. 

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1 minute ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

I think the club will be desperate to keep him. Wouldn't surprise me if he didn't have a relegation wage drop clause in his contract either. All depends if he tries to force a move through or not. He may be willing to give us another year, see where we are in January. 

I am not so sure with regard to the 'desperate' comment.
It seems that JWP is on a £100k pw and there are suggestions that he doesnt have a relegation clause in his contract so that would be a cool £5m a year in wages when the average yearly wage in the Championship is around £1m - £1.5m tops.
Also JWP is a saleable asset at say £30-£40m which would provide some help with rebuilding against a scenario of £100m loss of revenue plus a similar debt incurring 9% interest.

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I'd love JWP to stay. We've just been watching him with a succession of horrendous, ineffectual tactics. But he's had better spells not that long ago. He had been keeping us in games not far back either.

However, if he wanted to go (And it's important that's first, because the club will happily push people towards the exit nad then say that they wanted to go) and we got a significant fee, then I would hardly begrudge him stepping up, hopefully to get European football. I'd wish him well.

Even if he doesn't have a relegation release clause, I'd love him to stay. After all, the club should be commited to going up at the first attempt, so it's not going to be a massive inconvenience if they can follow through on their aspirations. We could happily lose any number of deadwood players to compensate for the salary difference.

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I'm doing mental gymnastics to see how he could be persuaded to stay. Perhaps he could do what Niemi did, stay and see how we get on until January. By that point we would have an idea if we're in the hunt for promotion, if it looks like we're drifting then he moves on, fair enough.

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53 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

If this is a comparison thread between Lavia and JWP, they aren't comparable they are 2 different types of midfielders.

There wasn’t a comparison, just a claim that JWP is a class above. Mo Salah is a class above Bazuma despite being different type of players. JWP is not a class above Lavia. 

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15 minutes ago, Ted Bates Statue said:

I'm doing mental gymnastics to see how he could be persuaded to stay. Perhaps he could do what Niemi did, stay and see how we get on until January. By that point we would have an idea if we're in the hunt for promotion, if it looks like we're drifting then he moves on, fair enough.

The starting point is a premier league willing to pay what we want who'll play him regularly. Other than West Ham after rice leaves, who would that be? If there's no buyer, there's no persuading to be done. 

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35 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

There wasn’t a comparison, just a claim that JWP is a class above. Mo Salah is a class above Bazuma despite being different type of players. JWP is not a class above Lavia. 

yeah fair - Lavia today is a great press resistant midfielder, JWP is a world class free kick taker and a good assist player - this season i'd say they are the same.

Lavia is on his way to the stars though like Bale in my opinion.

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I see he did an interview with Adam Blackmore today and said it would be "unprofessional" for him to discuss his future.... 

Theres nothing "unprofessional" about saying he wants to stay or he isn't going anywhere; neither of which he said! So, he's off then!
 
 
 

 

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He clearly prefers the “behind closed doors” route.

That’s refreshing. Then again he’s hardly going to go “It’s a shitshow, I want out”.

I don’t think he’ll force a move. I think he’d be open to leaving but not in a desperate way. 
He won’t stick around if we’re in the Championship the following season though.

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10 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Nutters who think JwP will be a saints player next season.

Not a chance what so ever.

[nuttermodeon] It's unlikely but not completely out of the question that he gives us half a season to see how we're doing. Other relegated clubs before us have occasionally held onto their better players for a season. Would be a massive coup for us if we manage it. [/nuttermodeoff]

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31 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Nutters who think JwP will be a saints player next season.

Not a chance what so ever.

I'll ask again. Who's buying him and playing him regularly? I can't see beyond West Ham, or Newcastle at a push. I suspect he'd take either, but if they don't come knocking, where's he going and being a starter? 

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20 minutes ago, egg said:

I'll ask again. Who's buying him and playing him regularly? I can't see beyond West Ham, or Newcastle at a push. I suspect he'd take either, but if they don't come knocking, where's he going and being a starter? 

Palace, Everton, even Brentford could have a go. Villa? Brighton, Spurs. Plenty of options where he'd play regularly. Just hoping that he decides to give it a go with us and bounce right back.

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The question might be whether the club want him to stay. If correct that he has no relegation wage reduction clause the club maybe banking on selling him to offset some of the losses. The sales of Lavia, JWP, ABK, KWP plus a few others should help to balance loss of PL revenue but allow us to rebuild. 

Has a relegated club ever recouped £100m in the first transfer window after relegation?

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I think the club will demand an ridiculous price - something that only a few teams could afford. If he does go, the club will want a shit tonne of money for him. Tbh I wouldnt be surprised if he stays for another year when we try and do a Burnley, then let him go if promotion fails. 

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46 minutes ago, egg said:

I'll ask again. Who's buying him and playing him regularly? I can't see beyond West Ham, or Newcastle at a push. I suspect he'd take either, but if they don't come knocking, where's he going and being a starter? 

Personally I think he’s off to Newcastle, I think he’s a good fit there. West Ham also as you mentioned, I could even see someone like Tottenham or Liverpool going for him, albeit in much more of a squad role (Tottenham are a bit of a mess, Liverpool look like losing their all-rounder in Milner with Henderson only getting older, I could see JWP slotting in there).

Ultimately it comes down to price of fee and his wages. I believe JWP has many years left on his deal with us, so the club are in a reasonable place with that. But a big transfer fee (and wages) for a player who will turn 29 this year will put a few clubs off. I can’t see any scenario where he stays with us though, despite the fact that his destination market is pretty limited.

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31 minutes ago, niceandfriendly said:

Palace, Everton, even Brentford could have a go. Villa? Brighton, Spurs. Plenty of options where he'd play regularly. Just hoping that he decides to give it a go with us and bounce right back.

True. For some reason I keep thinking of him upgrading from us as a premier league club and need to remind myself that any premier league club is an upgrade!

If he's gonna uproot his family, I hope he does it properly and goes for the monster wages, signing on fee and champions league football he'll get at Newcastle. I'd be disappointed for him if he ended up at Palace or Brentford. 

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1 minute ago, The Kraken said:

Personally I think he’s off to Newcastle, I think he’s a good fit there. West Ham also as you mentioned, I could even see someone like Tottenham or Liverpool going for him, albeit in much more of a squad role (Tottenham are a bit of a mess, Liverpool look like losing their all-rounder in Milner with Henderson only getting older, I could see JWP slotting in there).

Ultimately it comes down to price of fee and his wages. I believe JWP has many years left on his deal with us, so the club are in a reasonable place with that. But a big transfer fee (and wages) for a player who will turn 29 this year will put a few clubs off. I can’t see any scenario where he stays with us though, despite the fact that his destination market is pretty limited.

Our posts crossed! Newcastle would be a great move for him. Champions league, playing in a time not fighting at the bottom, etc. I could see a squad role at lots of clubs, but he's a workhorse and if hate to see him go and do a Kalvin Phillips somewhere. The Newcastle fans would love him. 

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Reckon he will be back with Saints in the future as a manager.

Level headed, got the right attitude and clearly will always love the club.

Just wish people would stop giving him a hard time on here due to having shit managers coaching him which stopped his development further.

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