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Talksport rhapsodising about JWP and amazed he hasn't made the England side. Same JWP who they didn't mention before he moved. So idiotic that players are obviously picked (or not) for the teams they play for. Mind you, he is better than Kalvin Phillips

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1 hour ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

No idea how he doesn’t make that squad.

Southgate is laughable.

I can find nothing to laugh about regarding that absolute James Blunt. He has wasted an opportunity of a lifetime  to bring success to the national team. 

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2 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

He should have left us years ago. He might be one of the best CMs in the Prem now if he had.

I would not go as far as to say that but playing in a succesful team with a decent players does help a great deal

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10 hours ago, East Kent Saint said:

Another WH goal from a JWP corner !

Shows how shit our players were on getting on the end of his corners.

Think we scored once last season where he’s already done 4 in 9 games for West Ham.

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4 hours ago, John B said:

I would not go as far as to say that but playing in a succesful team with a decent players does help a great deal

Continue this form and he'll be on the radar of all Prem clubs including City. An accurate passer who has end product as well now. He'd be much more useful than Phillips in their team. 

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25 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Continue this form and he'll be on the radar of all Prem clubs including City. An accurate passer who has end product as well now. He'd be much more useful than Phillips in their team. 

He was much better in his Zaha baiting days ! A good solid member of a team now .

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Phillips I can vaguely understand off the bench although he’s not played enough football to start. But Henderson is now playing in the equivalent of the former NASL, there’s no way the Saudi league is consistently as competitive as the MLS theses days. And he was declining fast for Liverpool, Klopp knew it as well. 

JWP is one of the most consistent PL midfielders at the moment from whatever angle you look at it from. And if Southgate insists on picking Maguire as a two-up to supporters and press, at least give the slap head some quality deliveries to attack going forward. 

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Convict Colony

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Chat GPT has the answer

"What is it called when people keep picking players in a team even though everyone knows they are not good enough?

It is called favoritism or nepotism, where individuals are selected based on personal relationships or preferences rather than their abilities or qualifications."

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Never understood this call for players to retire from international duty while they’re still young enough to get picked. So you’d like them to throw a hissy fit and act like a 5 year old girl when she doesn’t get her way just because the current manager doesn’t pick him for the squad? Footballers are petulant and childish enough as they are, we shouldn’t be encouraging more of it. 

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Convict Colony

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3 hours ago, Sussex_saint said:

Misses out yet again when Phillips and Henderson get in. If I were him I would be fuming

I always think quality players can make a manager look good and despite evidence of the results with his career at england showing otherwise i still think he's of the standard when he was the middlesborough manager.

England players flatter him - he did pick people originally on merit but he has now fallen back on the maxim of the managers cliche of picking players who've earnt his trust previously, not the fact one wins a camel for a man of the match performance and the other spends more time doing doing a review of premier teams benches that playing football.

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44 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

I’m talking about why do people care if he gets picked for England now .. he deserted us as soon as we dropped.. I fully understand the reasoning but any love towards him is now gone for me 

you mean, we decided to sell him?

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7 hours ago, spyinthesky said:

I hope JWP does well for WHU but cant help wondering how much extra he would have been able to give to us in the Championship if we had been able to keep hold of him

We'd be top of the league had he stayed imo. But he moved for that England spot and its fair enough. I hope gets it, because if he doesn't, he'll have lost both his saints legacy and his England dreams, and he doesn't deserve that. Watching the MoTD highlights, he should have had a goal (pass never came but great run), plus at least one other assist today. Almost scored from a cheeky free kick... Clearly Forest rated him as much as Southgate did pre match the amount of dead balls they let him take.

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On 09/11/2023 at 19:18, pimpin4rizeal said:

I’m talking about why do people care if he gets picked for England now .. he deserted us as soon as we dropped.. I fully understand the reasoning but any love towards him is now gone for me 

Not for me, I make a point of watching WHU games now just to watch him and I take pleasure in his success. 

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30 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

Not for me, I make a point of watching WHU games now just to watch him and I take pleasure in his success. 

I was glad to see the back of him. He wasn't particularly creative in midfield yet for some reason recent managers seem to insist on a style of play that constantly fed the ball to him in every move forward. We ended up being relegated unsurprisingly. He's a million miles away from being good enough for the current England team.

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41 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

Not for me, I make a point of watching WHU games now just to watch him and I take pleasure in his success. 

Likewise. Bizarre that even when Maddison is out and Bellingham a doubt, he doesn't turn the best English playmaker around.

He has proven his versatility with him West Ham performances.

This is clearly incompetence from Southgate, or he has an issue with JWP.

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I’ve only got great memories of JWP, and I still look out for him and am glad when he does well. I don’t really think he’s quite up to it for England though. As a deep holding player, I don’t think that’s his major strength and when he has played there for England before he hasn’t exactly stood out.  He gets mentioned there because there’s such a dearth of talent and for some reason Henderson/Phillips are still being picked. Further up the pitch there’s so much competition for places, and Cole Palmer has also just been called up to the squad, I don’t see him dislodging anyone there. The argument to be made is instead of Henderson or Phillips but personally I’m not sure England are losing out on a huge amount by not having him there. 

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1 hour ago, Charlie Wayman said:

I was glad to see the back of him. He wasn't particularly creative in midfield yet for some reason recent managers seem to insist on a style of play that constantly fed the ball to him in every move forward. We ended up being relegated unsurprisingly. He's a million miles away from being good enough for the current England team.

We didn't get relegated because of JWP - that feels quite an odd take tbh. As for this season, he's 3rd in the league for assists, 4th in the league for expected assists, and 6th in the league for expected assisted goals. He ensures a team will always carry a threat and it means teams can't afford to challenge around their box or concede corners - which has a huge impact on how they play and territory. And he's going all of that despite playing in a fairly average and quite defensive West Ham side. If anything, their fans have been moaning that he's being asked to play to deep which is stifling his creativity...

To not pick him for england over players like Gallagher, Henderson, and Philips is frankly mental. I can only assume he's tapped up Southgate's daughter or something... 

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6 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said:

I was glad to see the back of him. He wasn't particularly creative in midfield yet for some reason recent managers seem to insist on a style of play that constantly fed the ball to him in every move forward. We ended up being relegated unsurprisingly. He's a million miles away from being good enough for the current England team.

"Good riddance to my ex-girlfriend who just dumped me for someone richer and better looking, she was an ugly cow who I didn't fancy anyway."

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20 hours ago, the saint in winchester said:

 

 Southgate, or he has an issue with JWP.

When JWP roughed up the penalty spot I felt Southgate frowned on that. Frankly if you take away his corners or free kicks what do you have???? There is no way he will be senior enough to take the ball away from any of the others especially Kane

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1 hour ago, OldNick said:

When JWP roughed up the penalty spot I felt Southgate frowned on that. Frankly if you take away his corners or free kicks what do you have???? There is no way he will be senior enough to take the ball away from any of the others especially Kane

  • A tireless box to box midfielder
  • 100% attendance record
  • Incisive passing (A lot of his assists are not from corners)
  • Consummate professional
  • A lot of his assists are not from corners
  • A ridiculously cheap acquisition in today's market

 

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Don't really see the big deal on this. He isnt a defensive midfield player so he is really competing with the likes of Gallagher as a box to box player and players like Bellingham and Maddiaon for a role further ahead. Henderson is arguable but clearly Southgate values his experience and will obviously just be a bench option now anyway in the proper games.

Besides, clearly his best attribute is set plays and there are others who are fairly decent at them who will be starting games for England anyway whereas if he did make the squad he would just be an used sub.

He is a good player and a great character but he isn't better than the players who are currently picked. Thats why they are and he isn't.

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6 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Don't really see the big deal on this. He isnt a defensive midfield player so he is really competing with the likes of Gallagher as a box to box player and players like Bellingham and Maddiaon for a role further ahead. Henderson is arguable but clearly Southgate values his experience and will obviously just be a bench option now anyway in the proper games.

Besides, clearly his best attribute is set plays and there are others who are fairly decent at them who will be starting games for England anyway whereas if he did make the squad he would just be an used sub.

He is a good player and a great character but he isn't better than the players who are currently picked. Thats why they are and he isn't.

Surely Gallagher is a bit more attacking though.  With Rice holding, you need someone who can cover when Rice surges forward (which he's very good at), so you need a proper box to box midfielder who can slot in as the defensive midfielder when required.  Henderson, Phillips and Ward Prowse fit this mould, Gallagher isn't great defensively.

I don't think JWP is a world beater, but I do think he's a good fit for that role and it does seem odd he's completely frozen out.

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It’s probably a lot to do with physicality that holds jwp back .. he doesn’t have the powerful physique of a lot of top top midfielders .. yet also doesn’t have skillset of a Maddison  or grealish  etc who could play much more advanced..

in a way he was very very fortunate that we seemed to persist and persist with him .. he didn’t really start giving us anything unti Ralph was in charge 

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