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Chez

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  On 12/07/2023 at 12:12, ally_uk said:

Couldn't we use him as leverage to get either Downes or Ings...... 

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possibly, but they would have to want to come to us, in a lower division...and then there is issue of their Prem wages. Ings' wages are not affordable in the championship

 

manji

manji

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  On 11/07/2023 at 18:42, Chez said:

I don't know exactly what we owe and the payment schedules - I can only generalise and use fag packet figures, but we obviously have spent a lot and will need to balance the books. 

Leicester didn't spend £130m last season on players. In fact they made about £40m o the Fofana sale. The just brought in over £40m from the Maddison sale and have spent less than half of it. They are about to sell Harvey Barnes for £35m or more. 

Leeds have brought no one in at all and offloaded a couple on season loans, so not sure what you mean about them affording players.

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We don’t need to sell to spend at all. All debts cleared. Plenty of money in the bank. Clearly we need to offload some players but that’s not driving the purchases.

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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  On 12/07/2023 at 12:47, manji said:

We don’t need to sell to spend at all. All debts cleared. Plenty of money in the bank. Clearly we need to offload some players but that’s not driving the purchases.

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If that's true then we really shouldn't be selling the likes of tella or jwp for anything other than top dollar. 

Chez

Chez

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  On 12/07/2023 at 12:47, manji said:

We don’t need to sell to spend at all. All debts cleared. Plenty of money in the bank. Clearly we need to offload some players but that’s not driving the purchases.

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When were our debts cleared? Are you referring to the £70m loan and/or payments for recent transfers?
How much is in the bank? Is it the £18m Dragon just put in there to tide things over until money comes in from transfers etc? 

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manji

manji

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  On 12/07/2023 at 13:01, Chez said:

When were our debts cleared? Are you referring to the £70m loan and/or payments for recent transfers?
How much is in the bank? Is it the £18m Dragon just put in there to tide things over until money comes in from transfers etc? 

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It’s been mentioned in many articles. Notably in The Athletics elongated article about our upcoming season.

whereas Leicester particularly are in a financial mess. 

once_bitterne

once_bitterne

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  On 12/07/2023 at 12:47, manji said:

We don’t need to sell to spend at all. All debts cleared. Plenty of money in the bank. Clearly we need to offload some players but that’s not driving the purchases.

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How can our debts be cleared?  We stayed up when owned by Gao for 3 seasons with pretty much zero net spend.  Last season we spent £160m on transfer fees alone to get relegated.  Where is the money coming from to fund this? Our owner is not rich enough to cover that sort of debt.

It's very likely we will be need to sell at least £100m to keep the club afloat.

manji

manji

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  On 12/07/2023 at 12:54, hypochondriac said:

If that's true then we really shouldn't be selling the likes of tella or jwp for anything other than top dollar. 

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Totally that’s why we’ve quoted very high prices for those two. I mean if the likes of KWP is keen to go to another club we would probably let him go but again he would cost a lot.

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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  On 12/07/2023 at 13:18, manji said:

Totally that’s why we’ve quoted very high prices for those two. I mean if the likes of KWP is keen to go to another club we would probably let him go but again he would cost a lot.

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If other clubs won't pay though surely we will just have to get some out the door? We can't keep them all and refresh the squad and bring in alternatives. 

Additionally, have you heard anything about jwp? 

Bad Wolf

Bad Wolf

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  On 12/07/2023 at 12:54, hypochondriac said:

If that's true then we really shouldn't be selling the likes of tella or jwp for anything other than top dollar. 

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Top dollar is going to be subjective. Some would say £20 million plus Downes IS top dollar for a 29 year old with literally no resale value on him and who doesn't really contribute much other than free kicks (and even then only direct ones) 

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manji

manji

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  On 12/07/2023 at 13:15, once_bitterne said:

How can our debts be cleared?  We stayed up when owned by Gao for 3 seasons with pretty much zero net spend.  Last season we spent £160m on transfer fees alone to get relegated.  Where is the money coming from to fund this? Our owner is not rich enough to cover that sort of debt.

It's very likely we will be need to sell at least £100m to keep the club afloat.

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Read up on Dragan. He’s a multi-billionaire for starters he has massive businesses in many of the Balkan countries especially Greece ( I know Greece aren’t Balkan ).

SR are buying clubs FFS and has said that will not have any effect on any of Southamptons finances. Yet again I repeat he admitted he didn’t get involved enough last season and will be watching the club like a hawk.

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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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  On 12/07/2023 at 13:26, Bad Wolf said:

Top dollar is going to be subjective. Some would say £20 million plus Downes IS top dollar for a 29 year old with literally no resale value on him and who doesn't really contribute much other than free kicks (and even then only direct ones) 

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Is that what has been offered? 

manji

manji

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  On 12/07/2023 at 13:21, hypochondriac said:

If other clubs won't pay though surely we will just have to get some out the door? We can't keep them all and refresh the squad and bring in alternatives. 

Additionally, have you heard anything about jwp? 

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If you watched the full interview with Martin he mentioned offloading players and said if they don’t like it they will be dealt with, or words to that effect.

I have a feeling JWP will stay but that’s only based on what has been said on here.

I do know his missus doesn’t want to move and he wants to play a big part in his nippers upbringing. It’s not just paying a game at Fulham ( for example ) and then spend the rest of the week with his family.

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once_bitterne

once_bitterne

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  On 12/07/2023 at 13:27, manji said:

Read up on Dragan. He’s a multi-billionaire for starters he has massive businesses in many of the Balkan countries especially Greece ( I know Greece aren’t Balkan ).

SR are buying clubs FFS and has said that will not on any of Southamptons finances. Yet again I repeat he admitted he didn’t get involved enough last season and will be watching the club like a hawk.

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No.  His net worth is said to be around £1bn so certainly not a multi-billionaire and remember net worth is the value of all he owns not the cash he has to hand.

So... Companies house records show we were running at a multi-million £ loss under Gao where net transfer spend was negligible.  Dragan bought 80% of the club for around 1/4 of his net worth and then the club spent £160m on fees alone to get relegated.

Even with parachute payments our yearly revenue has taken a big hit with relegation.

So where is the money coming from to pay for all of this if not transfer sales?  Dragan aint rich enough to fund it.

I think you're in for some disappointment if you really don't think we need to bringing in at least £100m from sales this Summer. (which we will do).

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Chez

Chez

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  On 12/07/2023 at 13:14, manji said:

It’s been mentioned in many articles. Notably in The Athletics elongated article about our upcoming season.

 

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Has it? Can you share a link to The Athletic article. I've not read that one or any other that confirms we are debt free. 

Turkish

Turkish

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  On 12/07/2023 at 13:50, once_bitterne said:

No.  His net worth is said to be around £1bn so certainly not a multi-billionaire and remember net worth is the value of all he owns not the cash he has to hand.

So... Companies house records show we were running at a multi-million £ loss under Gao where net transfer spend was negligible.  Dragan bought 80% of the club for around 1/4 of his net worth and then the club spent £160m on fees alone to get rel gated.

Even with parachute payments our yearly revenue has taken a big hit with relegation.

So where is the money coming from to pay for all of this if not transfer sales?  Dragan aint rich enough to fund it.

I think you're in for some disappointment if you really don't think we need to bringing in at least £100m from sales this Summer. (which we will do).

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Dragon is just a front. The money is coming from Man Citys owners who are bankrolling us spending tens of millions on their crap academy players as another way of getting round FFP. 

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Convict Colony

Convict Colony

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  On 12/07/2023 at 13:58, Turkish said:

Dragon is just a front. The money is coming from Man Citys owners who are bankrolling us spending tens of millions on their crap academy players as another way of getting round FFP. 

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I like it and could get behind this conspiracy 

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Guest

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  On 12/07/2023 at 13:30, manji said:

If you watched the full interview with Martin he mentioned offloading players and said if they don’t like it they will be dealt with, or words to that effect.

I have a feeling JWP will stay but that’s only based on what has been said on here.

I do know his missus doesn’t want to move and he wants to play a big part in his nippers upbringing. It’s not just paying a game at Fulham ( for example ) and then spend the rest of the week with his family.

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I’ve said the same before; I have friends that know his family and also said similar to you, i.e. he is a family man, close family, likes his life down south.

Thats been my sole basis for me thinking he’ll stay. Just a hunch.

Dr. Kucho

Dr. Kucho

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  On 12/07/2023 at 13:58, Turkish said:

Dragon is just a front. The money is coming from Man Citys owners who are bankrolling us spending tens of millions on their crap academy players as another way of getting round FFP. 

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Tomorrow this will be on MLT’s Twitter feed. 

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Saint86

Saint86

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  On 12/07/2023 at 13:50, once_bitterne said:

So where is the money coming from to pay for all of this if not transfer sales?  Dragan aint rich enough to fund it.

I think you're in for some disappointment if you really don't think we need to bringing in at least £100m from sales this Summer. (which we will do).

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Should be fairly easy to bank the club £100M in sales and wage savings.

Ely, theo, orsic. already gone. Assume average 60k per week for most of our more experienced players =  circa £3M each or £9M saved total. Orsic sale was £3-4M? so thats £12M.

Lavia will be £50M plus wages, lets assume £50k per week so £2.6M. Fine we have to pay city 20% of the sale, but it still passes through the club's books for FFP reasons.

£62M so far.

KWP £15M sale, and £3M wages. = £80M total

Salisu £7M sale (rumoured) and £3M wages = £90M total

Che Adams (£15M sale (rumoured) and £3M wages = £108M total

Onuachu (£10M sale?) and say £2M wages = £120M

And there will be other players leaving - Straight off the bat i reckon you can pick 2 from DCC, Lyanco, Bednarek, Stephens, ABK. Far from certain that we'll keep Macca, Djenpo, Stu. Aribo, Diallo etiher. Easily see us getting up to £150M in sales and player wage savings just from adding some exits from these players... and we'll replace them with a limited number of cheaper and younger players on lower wages / or loan signings - bearing in mind that our squad is incredibly bloated and we have some bright prospects breaking through.

So all this talk of us having to sell JWP, having to sell Tella, or Tino, or Alcaraz, or Sulemana etc that you see in the media... i remain utterly non fussed - we only need to do one big sale (looks to be lavia)... Beyond that, we have plenty of players that we activley want to sell and who will want to get out for the sake of better wages. So any of our better players we can charge a premium for - and likely use the money to strategically improve the squad.

Also as a strategic mid term plan, buying youth prospects is a good move in the champ. The parachute payments reduce per season, but those players will be on lower wages, improve, and can be sold on for a profit if required. Which is far more sustainable that signing high wage/fee players and missing promotion.

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david in sweden

david in sweden

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  On 13/07/2023 at 11:36, Saint86 said:

Should be fairly easy to bank the club £100M in sales and wage savings.

Ely, theo, orsic. already gone. Assume average 60k per week for most of our more experienced players =  circa £3M each or £9M saved total. Orsic sale was £3-4M? so thats £12M.

Lavia will be £50M plus wages, lets assume £50k per week so £2.6M. Fine we have to pay city 20% of the sale, but it still passes through the club's books for FFP reasons.

£62M so far.

KWP £15M sale, and £3M wages. = £80M total

Salisu £7M sale (rumoured) and £3M wages = £90M total

Che Adams (£15M sale (rumoured) and £3M wages = £108M total

Onuachu (£10M sale?) and say £2M wages = £120M

And there will be other players leaving - Straight off the bat i reckon you can pick 2 from DCC, Lyanco, Bednarek, Stephens, ABK. Far from certain that we'll keep Macca, Djenpo, Stu. Aribo, Diallo etiher. Easily see us getting up to £150M in sales and player wage savings just from adding some exits from these players... and we'll replace them with a limited number of cheaper and younger players on lower wages / or loan signings - bearing in mind that our squad is incredibly bloated and we have some bright prospects breaking through.

So all this talk of us having to sell JWP, having to sell Tella, or Tino, or Alcaraz, or Sulemana etc that you see in the media... i remain utterly non fussed - we only need to do one big sale (looks to be lavia)... Beyond that, we have plenty of players that we activley want to sell and who will want to get out for the sake of better wages. So any of our better players we can charge a premium for - and likely use the money to strategically improve the squad.

Also as a strategic mid term plan, buying youth prospects is a good move in the champ. The parachute payments reduce per season, but those players will be on lower wages, improve, and can be sold on for a profit if required. Which is far more sustainable that signing high wage/fee players and missing promotion.

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......can't disagree with much of your analysis but we should remember that SR have spent around 130 million (of someone's money) in the last 18 months , so it's not  as if we will end up with quite so much money to play with.  Man City will get 20% of an eventual sale of Lavia and we surely have outstanding amounts to pay off from previous buys,  as many deals are made on an instalment basis, and not with all the money up front.   

As we will be unlikely to sign too many Prem. class players this season, buying in free transfer(s) will save a lot, and even deals of 10-15 million will be good investments.

 

If / when we get back to the Prem. most of the newer buys will have proven themselves good enough /  OR /  haven't made the grade for the top tier. 

Profitability for the club isn't just based on player sales as there will undoubtedly be a decrease in attendances at SMS, sponsorship deals and a huge drop in  TV income compared with the Prem. level. we have been used to. 

Nevertheless, we will certainly be better placed than some other clubs recently relegated who are still struggling to get back up.

 

 

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Saint86

Saint86

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  On 14/07/2023 at 07:54, david in sweden said:

As we will be unlikely to sign too many Prem. class players this season, buying in free transfer(s) will save a lot, and even deals of 10-15 million will be good investments.

If / when we get back to the Prem. most of the newer buys will have proven themselves good enough /  OR /  haven't made the grade for the top tier. 

Profitability for the club isn't just based on player sales as there will undoubtedly be a decrease in attendances at SMS, sponsorship deals and a huge drop in  TV income compared with the Prem. level. we have been used to. 

Nevertheless, we will certainly be better placed than some other clubs recently relegated who are still struggling to get back up.

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(I'm conscious this is now going away from the JWP focus of this thread so perhaps mods should move the last couple of posts)

I'm not so sure we'll see a drop in attendances. Wasn't the recent rumour that season ticket sales have increased? We'll certainly have more matches regardless and i think last year we averaged about 2000 empty seats per game (we had the highest average number of empty seats in the league under one breakdown i saw). I would imagine a successful side in champ will at least match those numbers and possibly achieve a lot of sell outs in the latter half of the season. Caveated by the fact we average 26k in the champ last time around although that was after years of poor football and strife. Sponsorship deals may see a decline agree, but only for ones renewed this year (or if we have a relegation clause in the T&C's. And who knows, SR might be able to expand the number of commercial deals the club have to mitigate this.

Will be interesting to see our books for last season when released - agree i think there needs to be an awareness that SR have put their hands in their own pocket to fund the club as a long term investment, so whilst they'll expect a return/profit ultimately on that money, we don't need to fund that money immediatley - just stick within the FFP limits. Perhaps a bigger concern is what is happens with that loan we took out over covid.

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Chez

Chez

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West Ham renew interest in Alvarez from Ajax according to the athletic. £35-40m quoted. Might have a bearing on JWP.

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coalman

coalman

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I think if JWP leaves it will be a net positive for us. Not only will we get decent cash for an academy product but we'll get his wages off the books. As a player he's got some incredible attributes - his work rate, his shooting from free kicks and he never gets injured. Not so sure about corners as we have a terrible record of scoring from them though whether that is down to the goal shy nature of our team is another matter.

That being said I think he's lacking one of the fundamental skills a central midfielder needs which is the ability to receive a ball in tight space and turn on it. The thing that Lavia has in superhuman quantities. The net effect of that is our play is predictable and we're easy to press out of the game. He gets the ball and moves it quickly but that tends to be quickly sideways or backwards. Again there's an open question as to whether it's because our players are crap at showing for the ball or crap at receiving the ball in tight spaces.

That's the problem Saints need to solve if we're going to play any kind of exciting football or switch to a more direct attacking style. It's why Lavia was such a huge miss when he got injured as our whole style of play depended on his ability to receive, turn and release it. It's also why Elyounnousi was such a drag on our play as he'd receive and either lose it or just give it away. There's a chance losing JWP might be a good thing long term for our midfield. There's also a chance that the problem was elsewhere on the pitch.

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Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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I thought, right at the end, our corners looked better. I remember thinking "oh, now we do it, when he'll be out the door." 🙂

I also thought JWP did look a bit better, given some license to be further forward. There, his passes could get to attackers, and create chances. He could also have efforts himself. All without it all having to go through another player first.

Hard to tell, after a while of tepid, unsuccessful build up play, what was tactics driven, limitations in receivers or JWP natural preference. I'd not mind another season to find out though.

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coalman

coalman

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  On 15/07/2023 at 12:18, Holmes_and_Watson said:

I thought, right at the end, our corners looked better. I remember thinking "oh, now we do it, when he'll be out the door." 🙂

I also thought JWP did look a bit better, given some license to be further forward. There, his passes could get to attackers, and create chances. He could also have efforts himself. All without it all having to go through another player first.

Hard to tell, after a while of tepid, unsuccessful build up play, what was tactics driven, limitations in receivers or JWP natural preference. I'd not mind another season to find out though.

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When he was hitting first time crosses into the box he looked a real threat. At our worst he got sucked back to play among our centre backs.

I guess we never properly replaced Schneiderlin or Wanyama. A lot of our success was based on having incredible cover there.

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Convict Colony

Convict Colony

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  On 13/07/2023 at 11:36, Saint86 said:

Should be fairly easy to bank the club £100M in sales and wage savings.

Ely, theo, orsic. already gone. Assume average 60k per week for most of our more experienced players =  circa £3M each or £9M saved total. Orsic sale was £3-4M? so thats £12M.

Lavia will be £50M plus wages, lets assume £50k per week so £2.6M. Fine we have to pay city 20% of the sale, but it still passes through the club's books for FFP reasons.

£62M so far.

KWP £15M sale, and £3M wages. = £80M total

Salisu £7M sale (rumoured) and £3M wages = £90M total

Che Adams (£15M sale (rumoured) and £3M wages = £108M total

Onuachu (£10M sale?) and say £2M wages = £120M

And there will be other players leaving - Straight off the bat i reckon you can pick 2 from DCC, Lyanco, Bednarek, Stephens, ABK. Far from certain that we'll keep Macca, Djenpo, Stu. Aribo, Diallo etiher. Easily see us getting up to £150M in sales and player wage savings just from adding some exits from these players... and we'll replace them with a limited number of cheaper and younger players on lower wages / or loan signings - bearing in mind that our squad is incredibly bloated and we have some bright prospects breaking through.

So all this talk of us having to sell JWP, having to sell Tella, or Tino, or Alcaraz, or Sulemana etc that you see in the media... i remain utterly non fussed - we only need to do one big sale (looks to be lavia)... Beyond that, we have plenty of players that we activley want to sell and who will want to get out for the sake of better wages. So any of our better players we can charge a premium for - and likely use the money to strategically improve the squad.

Also as a strategic mid term plan, buying youth prospects is a good move in the champ. The parachute payments reduce per season, but those players will be on lower wages, improve, and can be sold on for a profit if required. Which is far more sustainable that signing high wage/fee players and missing promotion.

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Just reminding myself to read this when I'm not so hung over

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Charlie Wayman

Charlie Wayman

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  On 15/07/2023 at 06:42, Chez said:

West Ham renew interest in Alvarez from Ajax according to the athletic. £35-40m quoted. Might have a bearing on JWP.

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Could be a smoke screen or more likely an indication that JWP is pretty low on their list of priorities. If the latter then I can't see much of a future for the lad there. Bloody insulting really. Then again it might have been all agent talk from the start.

Charlie Wayman

Charlie Wayman

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  On 14/07/2023 at 08:12, Saint86 said:

(I'm conscious this is now going away from the JWP focus of this thread so perhaps mods should move the last couple of posts)

I'm not so sure we'll see a drop in attendances. Wasn't the recent rumour that season ticket sales have increased? We'll certainly have more matches regardless and i think last year we averaged about 2000 empty seats per game (we had the highest average number of empty seats in the league under one breakdown i saw). I would imagine a successful side in champ will at least match those numbers and possibly achieve a lot of sell outs in the latter half of the season. Caveated by the fact we average 26k in the champ last time around although that was after years of poor football and strife. Sponsorship deals may see a decline agree, but only for ones renewed this year (or if we have a relegation clause in the T&C's. And who knows, SR might be able to expand the number of commercial deals the club have to mitigate this.

Will be interesting to see our books for last season when released - agree i think there needs to be an awareness that SR have put their hands in their own pocket to fund the club as a long term investment, so whilst they'll expect a return/profit ultimately on that money, we don't need to fund that money immediatley - just stick within the FFP limits. Perhaps a bigger concern is what is happens with that loan we took out over covid.

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It will be the mid-weekers on a cold and blustery November evening that will sort it out. Especially if we are not setting the division alight I can see only about 15,000 hardy souls bothering to turn out.

Saint86

Saint86

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  On 15/07/2023 at 13:28, Charlie Wayman said:

It will be the mid-weekers on a cold and blustery November evening that will sort it out. Especially if we are not setting the division alight I can see only about 15,000 hardy souls bothering to turn out.

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Yeah thats fair for winter, although any different to being a sinking rock in the prem in january/February? 

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Wsaint

Wsaint

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  On 15/07/2023 at 13:24, Charlie Wayman said:

Could be a smoke screen or more likely an indication that JWP is pretty low on their list of priorities. If the latter then I can't see much of a future for the lad there. Bloody insulting really. Then again it might have been all agent talk from the start.

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I'll scratch smokescreen off my transfer window bingo card, cheers. 

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OldNick

OldNick

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  On 13/07/2023 at 11:36, Saint86 said:

Should be fairly easy to bank the club £100M in sales and wage savings.

Ely, theo, orsic. already gone. Assume average 60k per week for most of our more experienced players =  circa £3M each or £9M saved total. Orsic sale was £3-4M? so thats £12M.

Lavia will be £50M plus wages, lets assume £50k per week so £2.6M. Fine we have to pay city 20% of the sale, but it still passes through the club's books for FFP reasons.

£62M so far.

KWP £15M sale, and £3M wages. = £80M total

Salisu £7M sale (rumoured) and £3M wages = £90M total

Che Adams (£15M sale (rumoured) and £3M wages = £108M total

Onuachu (£10M sale?) and say £2M wages = £120M

And there will be other players leaving - Straight off the bat i reckon you can pick 2 from DCC, Lyanco, Bednarek, Stephens, ABK. Far from certain that we'll keep Macca, Djenpo, Stu. Aribo, Diallo etiher. Easily see us getting up to £150M in sales and player wage savings just from adding some exits from these players... and we'll replace them with a limited number of cheaper and younger players on lower wages / or loan signings - bearing in mind that our squad is incredibly bloated and we have some bright prospects breaking through.

So all this talk of us having to sell JWP, having to sell Tella, or Tino, or Alcaraz, or Sulemana etc that you see in the media... i remain utterly non fussed - we only need to do one big sale (looks to be lavia)... Beyond that, we have plenty of players that we activley want to sell and who will want to get out for the sake of better wages. So any of our better players we can charge a premium for - and likely use the money to strategically improve the squad.

Also as a strategic mid term plan, buying youth prospects is a good move in the champ. The parachute payments reduce per season, but those players will be on lower wages, improve, and can be sold on for a profit if required. Which is far more sustainable that signing high wage/fee players and missing promotion.

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If we only get £7m for Salisu then we have been turned over.

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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I'm not sure if he stays that jwp will be as amazing as people think in the championship. I really would like a bit of a bastard as a captain who won't allow his teammates to fail. Our team seems content with being OK and some of that attitude stems from the captain. 

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coalman

coalman

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  On 15/07/2023 at 20:11, Sergei Gotsmanov said:

At one point I think he was on the cusp of being a £40m player. I seem to remember a performance against Man City.

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That performance against City was epic. But, if you looked at the whole team's performances against Man City over the last few seasons a lot of our team would be on the cusp of being £40m players. That was a part of the problem - they only raised their game now and then and almost never for the supposedly winnable games.

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Sussex_saint

Sussex_saint

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so what happened with that pen? I saw that apparently the pitch was in a really bad state, or was it just a complete fail on JWP's part? Unusual for him to do anything like that.

coalman

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  On 16/07/2023 at 08:32, Sussex_saint said:

so what happened with that pen? I saw that apparently the pitch was in a really bad state, or was it just a complete fail on JWP's part? Unusual for him to do anything like that.

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He slipped as he hit it and scooped it miles in the air. A bit like Beckham did for England once

 

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  On 16/07/2023 at 08:32, Sussex_saint said:

so what happened with that pen? I saw that apparently the pitch was in a really bad state, or was it just a complete fail on JWP's part? Unusual for him to do anything like that.

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His left foot gave way as he went to strike the ball. It carved out a huge divot.

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My girlfriend has made a verbal offer for me to hoover when I get home, and I won’t be. 😂

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  On 15/07/2023 at 20:36, hypochondriac said:

I'm not sure if he stays that jwp will be as amazing as people think in the championship. I really would like a bit of a bastard as a captain who won't allow his teammates to fail. Our team seems content with being OK and some of that attitude stems from the captain. 

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I agree with this, not just on the captain front but on the playing side. I would love an 8 who drives the team forward with the ball, I've never seen that from JWP. 

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  On 17/07/2023 at 18:19, Harry_SFC said:

I agree with this, not just on the captain front but on the playing side. I would love an 8 who drives the team forward with the ball, I've never seen that from JWP. 

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I think he's great at what he does, I just don't really see him as a captain. Surely part of his job last year was to uphold standards and in that respect he failed. 

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  On 17/07/2023 at 18:22, hypochondriac said:

I think he's great at what he does, I just don't really see him as a captain. Surely part of his job last year was to uphold standards and in that respect he failed. 

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Poster boy.

Not a captain.

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West Ham supposedly bid £50m for Palhinha. Fulham want £80m. No idea if any of that is true, but bloody hell.

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