James Ward-Prowse

[skintsaint]

1 hour ago, ErwinK1961 said:

Yeah, £60k a week gets you fck all these days.

Probably about 35k after taxes and what not. I wouldn't struggle on that though still! 😅

[Saint86]

3 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

We have loads of saleable assets that aren't jwp. I'd sell kwp, ABK and Salisu before I sold him. 

That's good because we will sell them 😅😂. 

JWP is staying though 😎💪

[Saint86]

2 hours ago, ErwinK1961 said:

Yeah, £60k a week gets you fck all these days.

Prowsey will be on more than 60k per week. When he signed that deal he was the top earner on 100k with a rumoured clause to maintain highest wage and likely a percentage wage rise increase each season - if you assume he's had 2 years of percentage wages rises plus the rumoured 40% pay cut this summer, he must still be on at least about £70k per week. So clubs will have to offer him a fair wage to get him.

Edited 11 July, 2023 by Saint86

[Lord Duckhunter]

12 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said:

Because he is a bloody good Clubman that's why and will not want to see Saints ripped off by a bunch of wide boy Eastenders who know the value of nothing and want everything for nothing. 

 

Do you honestly believe this pony 😂

He won’t give a shiny shite what we get, his only interest is what he gets. I’d imagine  he may even get a better deal the less they pay us. 

[hypochondriac]

7 hours ago, Maggie May said:

I think a lot of you need to take off the rose tinted specs and come to terms with JWP leaving. I think Villa will nab him and a lot of players will be attracted to Emery’s philosophy. 

I don't think a single poster has said he is definitely staying. 

[wild-saint]

12 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Does anyone actually have an itk on Jwp and his thoughts? I'm surprised we have got this far into the window with no indication at all about whether he'd actually consider staying. 

ive heard that his wife doesn't wasn't to leave their home in Winchester /Twyford way and as such only London clubs are realistic as he will need to commute to training. guess that means Wet Spam and or Fulham. Not sure where west ham train but that could be a trek each day that could put him off. 

[Dman]

1 minute ago, wild-saint said:

ive heard that his wife doesn't wasn't to leave their home in Winchester /Twyford way and as such only London clubs are realistic as he will need to commute to training. guess that means Wet Spam and or Fulham. Not sure where west ham train but that could be a trek each day that could put him off. 

I love these theories. He's clearly not going to turn down a big money move to a big club north of London because his wife doesn't want to move. 

[hypochondriac]

13 minutes ago, Dman said:

I love these theories. He's clearly not going to turn down a big money move to a big club north of London because his wife doesn't want to move. 

I would have to agree with that. At most it could like four or five years. Surely he could just rent somewhere lovely for the weekdays if required. 

[qwertyell]

7 hours ago, Maggie May said:

I think Villa will nab him and a lot of players will be attracted to Emery’s philosophy

No chance - Villa's midfield is absolutely stacked.

Kamara, Dendoncker, Douglas Luiz in the 6; McGinn, Ramsey, and Tielemans in the 8.

(Not counting Nakamba and Sanson, who may or may not be moving on.)

Then they've got further options in the 10 with Coutinho and Buendia.

Where's Prowse going to play, right back?

[Ribtickler]

James Ward Prowse, the enigma.  If he wasn’t a player that rose through the ranks, would there be much fuss about him?  The whole scenario reminds me of smithy and gavin in that welsh documentary,  eventually one of them has to leave.  
 

Im not convinced in him as a footballer, yes he scores the odd free kick and goal, but his corners are hit or miss. His all round play is sluggish and bland, like porridge.

if we pick up 35 million plus, I’d be happy and sleep like a log.  

that’s all I will say on the matter 

[suewhistle]

37 minutes ago, Dman said:

I love these theories. He's clearly not going to turn down a big money move to a big club north of London because his wife doesn't want to move. 

But decision making isn't just based on one element but a weighting of all of them. That one could play a part and possibly a significant one. Would they appreciate more money? Yes, but he probably doesn't _need_ it. Does he want the disruption of a house move? No, but what are the practical alternatives? And so on...

I haven't got any gut feeling on this and haven't a clue, but it would be nice to see Edozie and Sulemanna drawing free kicks from Championship defences and having someone to take advantage of them.

[Ex Lion Tamer]

34 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I would have to agree with that. At most it could like four or five years. Surely he could just rent somewhere lovely for the weekdays if required. 

And be away from his 5yo son all week? Not everyone is up for that

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, suewhistle said:

But decision making isn't just based on one element but a weighting of all of them. That one could play a part and possibly a significant one. Would they appreciate more money? Yes, but he probably doesn't _need_ it. Does he want the disruption of a house move? No, but what are the practical alternatives? And so on...

I haven't got any gut feeling on this and haven't a clue, but it would be nice to see Edozie and Sulemanna drawing free kicks from Championship defences and having someone to take advantage of them.

But he will still believe he can get in the England squad for the Euros and he wont do that playing for us

Anyway, i thought you'd stopped posting until the season starts as you cant handle other peoples opinions that are different to your own. You certainly announced your departure a few weeks ago, or was that just an attention seeking post?

[gordonToo]

The club will sell before the window closes as that's the way it works with a decreasing asset. No room for sentiment. 

Edited 11 July, 2023 by gordonToo

[DT]

1 hour ago, Dman said:

I love these theories. He's clearly not going to turn down a big money move to a big club north of London because his wife doesn't want to move. 

Also, wait 'til she hears about away matches...

[Miltonaggro]

Different players and situations but a lot of this ground was covered in the prelude to Danny Ings leaving us (as a Premier League club) for Aston fucking Villa.  Top level football is a very well paid very short career, if Prowsey, 29 this year, gets offered a three year deal on big money he'll be off. 

[SW5 SAINT]

3 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

Different players and situations but a lot of this ground was covered in the prelude to Danny Ings leaving us (as a Premier League club) for Aston fucking Villa.  Top level football is a very well paid very short career, if Prowsey, 29 this year, gets offered a three year deal on big money he'll be off. 

He’s already got a three year deal on big money……

[waylander]

1 hour ago, wild-saint said:

ive heard that his wife doesn't wasn't to leave their home in Winchester /Twyford way and as such only London clubs are realistic as he will need to commute to training. guess that means Wet Spam and or Fulham. Not sure where west ham train but that could be a trek each day that could put him off. 

West Ham train in Romford so that's a hack halfway round the M25 which can come to a halt at any time. Long commute!

[Ken Tone]

8 hours ago, skintsaint said:

Probably about 35k after taxes and what not. I wouldn't struggle on that though still! 😅

Don't know about JWP's wages but mostly the figures quoted in the media for footballers are AFTER tax. Foreign players especially, don't want to bother about British tax law details etc, so the clubs' contracts include them paying taxes for them--- or in Portsmouth's case not paying them !

So the obscene amounts quoted for wages are *really* obscene.

[Saint Garrett]

1 hour ago, wild-saint said:

ive heard that his wife doesn't wasn't to leave their home in Winchester /Twyford way and as such only London clubs are realistic as he will need to commute to training. guess that means Wet Spam and or Fulham. Not sure where west ham train but that could be a trek each day that could put him off. 

Their family aren’t going anywhere. If he leaves he’ll be commuting from Winchester. 

He’s off to Turkey on Thursday, as you’d expect. “Will take something very special to lure him away”. 
 

My mate reckons Che and Adam Armstrong will also likely stay which is interesting.

[wild-saint]

2 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

Their family aren’t going anywhere. If he leaves he’ll be commuting from Winchester. 

He’s off to Turkey on Thursday, as you’d expect. “Will take something very special to lure him away”. 
 

My mate reckons Che and Adam Armstrong will also likely stay which is interesting.

Yep and that could easily rule out west ham. Would he leave Saints for Fulham on a contract not particularly bigger than what he is on now? I guess could come down to his confidence that RM can build a promotion winning team.

[Toussaint]

There is lots of chatter regarding 40% pay cuts for relegation. I find it hard to believe there is a blanket clause across the squad reflecting this. How can anyone be sure JWP is subject to this, or how anyone would know what's in an individual contract outside the player, his agent and a select few within the club? Or am I missing something?

[Saint Garrett]

10 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

There is lots of chatter regarding 40% pay cuts for relegation. I find it hard to believe there is a blanket clause across the squad reflecting this. How can anyone be sure JWP is subject to this, or how anyone would know what's in an individual contract outside the player, his agent and a select few within the club? Or am I missing something?

I think it was reported in The Athletic that the squad had a 40% pay cut. I’ve no idea if that’s everybody. However, it would seem odd to exclude our highest paid player given the fact it’s meant to give us more financial security if relegated. They can always offer him a new contract and new terms if they think they can afford it and they want to

[Saint Fan CaM]

43 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

I think it was reported in The Athletic that the squad had a 40% pay cut. I’ve no idea if that’s everybody. However, it would seem odd to exclude our highest paid player given the fact it’s meant to give us more financial security if relegated. They can always offer him a new contract and new terms if they think they can afford it and they want to

What's in a contract and what the Club decide to enact are two different things though.  If they want to keep certain players they can easily amend the contract terms to whatever they feel the player deserves...e.g. JWP, Alcarez - amend to 0.1%, KWP, Tino, Sully - amend to 2% etc., Aribo, Diallo, Orsic, Tall Paul, Djenepo - leave well alone at 40%!

[Dman]

2 hours ago, Turkish said:

But he will still believe he can get in the England squad for the Euros and he wont do that playing for us

 

He's given up the hope of the euros, his wife doesn't want 2 weeks in Germany. 

[Miltonaggro]

14 minutes ago, Dman said:

He's given up the hope of the euros, his wife doesn't want 2 weeks in Germany. 

My ex-wife was the same with the Munich Beer Festival in 1992. 

[Chez]

2 hours ago, qwertyell said:

No chance - Villa's midfield is absolutely stacked.

Kamara, Dendoncker, Douglas Luiz in the 6; McGinn, Ramsey, and Tielemans in the 8.

(Not counting Nakamba and Sanson, who may or may not be moving on.)

Then they've got further options in the 10 with Coutinho and Buendia.

Where's Prowse going to play, right back?

Agree, although they are trying to offload Dendoncker.

[VectisSaint]

3 hours ago, wild-saint said:

ive heard that his wife doesn't wasn't to leave their home in Winchester /Twyford way and as such only London clubs are realistic as he will need to commute to training. guess that means Wet Spam and or Fulham. Not sure where west ham train but that could be a trek each day that could put him off. 

Have thought all along that Brighton would be more likely than any London club. He does come from Pompey after all, even if he now lives in Winchester, Brighton are in Europe next season, which is more than can be said for Fulham. Why are Boscombe ruled out as well, pretty easy to commute from Winchester? Could also see him linking up again with Poch. I actually don't think he will leave

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, Saint Garrett said:

Their family aren’t going anywhere. If he leaves he’ll be commuting from Winchester. 

He’s off to Turkey on Thursday, as you’d expect. “Will take something very special to lure him away”. 
 

My mate reckons Che and Adam Armstrong will also likely stay which is interesting.

Shame I quite wanted che to go so we could replace him with someone more effective. Also makes me quite nervous that we will sell off some of the ones we actually want to keep instead (tella, Alcaraz, Sulemana, Tino). 

[Chez]

37 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

What's in a contract and what the Club decide to enact are two different things though.  If they want to keep certain players they can easily amend the contract terms to whatever they feel the player deserves...e.g. JWP, Alcarez - amend to 0.1%, KWP, Tino, Sully - amend to 2% etc., Aribo, Diallo, Orsic, Tall Paul, Djenepo - leave well alone at 40%!

I think we might be reluctant to pay £100k in the championship. There are some pretty strict rules about how much losses we can make over the next couple of years.  

[hypochondriac]

6 minutes ago, Chez said:

I think we might be reluctant to pay £100k in the championship. There are some pretty strict rules about how much losses we can make over the next couple of years.  

Hypothetically, let's say we sold 4 or 5 other players and bought in players that were about 50 million less. Couldn't we use 5 of the remaining 50 to pay for jwp's wages for a season without incurring heavy losses? I'm not saying we are going to do anything like that, but surely it's a possibility. 

[derry]

4 hours ago, wild-saint said:

ive heard that his wife doesn't wasn't to leave their home in Winchester /Twyford way and as such only London clubs are realistic as he will need to commute to training. guess that means Wet Spam and or Fulham. Not sure where west ham train but that could be a trek each day that could put him off. 

I think it's Chigwell, Essex. That's an awful drive.

[Fan The Flames]

7 minutes ago, derry said:

I think it's Chigwell, Essex. That's an awful drive.

It's it Romford, an awful drive from most places.

[jimmysaint7]

15 minutes ago, derry said:

I think it's Chigwell, Essex. That's an awful drive.

West ham train at rush Green.

Comes under the Borough of barking and Dagenham,not a bad drive I always felt to be fair! 

[Graffito]

17 minutes ago, jimmysaint7 said:

West ham train at rush Green.

Comes under the Borough of barking and Dagenham,not a bad drive I always felt to be fair! 

I lived in north London just off the north circular for thirty years. That section from the m3 round to east London is a nightmare. Likewise the m25 gets snarled up regularly. A commute from Winchester wouldn’t be sustainable imo. Either he moves house or don’t go there. The latter I hope. Incidentally I travel to matches from East Sussex now. The A27 isn’t great either so brighton wouldn’t be an easy commute. 

[derry]

15 minutes ago, jimmysaint7 said:

West ham train at rush Green.

Comes under the Borough of barking and Dagenham,not a bad drive I always felt to be fair! 

M3 M25 probably J27 at best. I did Stansted daily for two years thirty years ago and it was an awful drive then, God only knows what it's like nowadays. I couldn't wait to get to Gatwick. I wouldn't think it's an option.  Train might be a better option. I can't see him doing that. I think Brentford, Fulham, Chelsea, Brighton and Bournemouth are his options. Even Villa and Wolves. He'll either get a place locally or not move.

[Dragon_man]

6 hours ago, waylander said:

West Ham train in Romford so that's a hack halfway round the M25 which can come to a halt at any time. Long commute!

He'd never have to commute, they'd provide an apartment he'd stay in a few nights a week.

On the travel to/from Winchester, he'll be chauffeur driven. 

Edited 11 July, 2023 by Dragon_man

[Chez]

3 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Hypothetically, let's say we sold 4 or 5 other players and bought in players that were about 50 million less. Couldn't we use 5 of the remaining 50 to pay for jwp's wages for a season without incurring heavy losses? I'm not saying we are going to do anything like that, but surely it's a possibility. 

Yeah, sure.

However, the money we get for the players we sell will more likely be used to pay for the players we brought in over the last 12 months.

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Chez said:

Yeah, sure.

However, the money we get for the players we sell will more likely be used to pay for the players we brought in over the last 12 months.

All of it? How are the likes of Leeds or Leicester affording any players then, given that they don't have as many saleable assets as we do. 

[chuz]

1 hour ago, Dragon_man said:

He'd never have to commute, they'd provide an apartment he'd stay in a few nights a week.

On the travel to/from Winchester, he'll be chauffeur driven. 

Exactly this. Or his signing on fee would easily pay for a second property anywhere in the country as a weekly place to stay...

Let's not pretend he's going to have to jump in a second hand Ford Fiesta every morning and do the commute like a normal person.  Even if he was to go to Manchester or Newcastle there would be a private jet option for commutes back to Southampton (either paid by him, his club or likely a combination of both....)  

I'd love him to stay but lets not pretend a long daily commute will come into the equation...

[Badger]

30 minutes ago, chuz said:

I'd love him to stay but lets not pretend a long daily commute will come into the equation...

Not as if there’s a full eight hour working day to contend with when he reaches his destination either 

[Chez]

3 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

All of it? How are the likes of Leeds or Leicester affording any players then, given that they don't have as many saleable assets as we do. 

I don't know exactly what we owe and the payment schedules - I can only generalise and use fag packet figures, but we obviously have spent a lot and will need to balance the books. 

Leicester didn't spend £130m last season on players. In fact they made about £40m o the Fofana sale. The just brought in over £40m from the Maddison sale and have spent less than half of it. They are about to sell Harvey Barnes for £35m or more. 

Leeds have brought no one in at all and offloaded a couple on season loans, so not sure what you mean about them affording players.

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, Chez said:

I don't know exactly what we owe and the payment schedules - I can only generalise and use fag packet figures, but we obviously have spent a lot and will need to balance the books. 

Leicester didn't spend £130m last season on players. In fact they made about £40m o the Fofana sale. The just brought in over £40m from the Maddison sale and have spent less than half of it. They are about to sell Harvey Barnes for £35m or more. 

Leeds have brought no one in at all and offloaded a couple on season loans, so not sure what you mean about them affording players.

When Leeds inevitably buy players. Of course we will need to sell and make some money but the point is we have more assets to sell than any other team in the championship. It won't surprise me if we sell 100m+ and keep many of our best players. 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

6 hours ago, derry said:

M3 M25 probably J27 at best. I did Stansted daily for two years thirty years ago and it was an awful drive then, God only knows what it's like nowadays. I couldn't wait to get to Gatwick. I wouldn't think it's an option.  Train might be a better option. I can't see him doing that. I think Brentford, Fulham, Chelsea, Brighton and Bournemouth are his options. Even Villa and Wolves. He'll either get a place locally or not move.

I did Stansted for two years, five years ago and it was horrendous, especially from the M3 junction and often stop/start/slow traffic nearly always up until passing the M1 junction. And if he left early in the morning to miss the traffic, they often do closures/diversions. Luton now for me. 

[wild-saint]

3 hours ago, chuz said:

Exactly this. Or his signing on fee would easily pay for a second property anywhere in the country as a weekly place to stay...

Let's not pretend he's going to have to jump in a second hand Ford Fiesta every morning and do the commute like a normal person.  Even if he was to go to Manchester or Newcastle there would be a private jet option for commutes back to Southampton (either paid by him, his club or likely a combination of both....)  

I'd love him to stay but lets not pretend a long daily commute will come into the equation...

its not like its only for a couple of weeks. He will need to be at training 4/5 days a week plus match day for near on 9 months of the year. who cares whether he is driven or drives himself in a rolls royce its still an absolute  minimum of 4 hours in a car each day. yes he could rent a flat but how long before he and more importantly his wife gets fucked off with him being away from his young child for 3 nights per week. sustainable short term but not on a 3 year contract. it will get frustrating pretty damn quick. 

he has to weigh that up over playing in the PL with westham if he wont move. i think Fulham is his most likely destination if any, with even Brighton a bit of trek from winchester.

it will definitely be factored into his decision and he may just buy into Russell Martin and give it a year to get back. its more likely than any of the other mercenaries that want out

 

[waylander]

2 minutes ago, wild-saint said:

its not like its only for a couple of weeks. He will need to be at training 4/5 days a week plus match day for near on 9 months of the year. who cares whether he is driven or drives himself in a rolls royce its still an absolute  minimum of 4 hours in a car each day. yes he could rent a flat but how long before he and more importantly his wife gets fucked off with him being away from his young child for 3 nights per week. sustainable short term but not on a 3 year contract. it will get frustrating pretty damn quick. 

he has to weigh that up over playing in the PL with westham if he wont move. i think Fulham is his most likely destination if any, with even Brighton a bit of trek from winchester.

it will definitely be factored into his decision and he may just buy into Russell Martin and give it a year to get back. its more likely than any of the other mercenaries that want out

 

There is just no quick way of getting from Winchester to Brighton

[Dusic]

All sounds very nice but in the real world of football JWP will move to almost any PL team who make Saints an acceptable offer.

Commuting, living away from family...its the reality of being a pro sportsperson and these guys are driven and have egos to play at the best level they can. 

He may well have a preference for remaining at home but if West Ham, Newcastle, Brighton whoever stump up the cash he will go and will find a solution to his living arrangements just like all the other pros who move away from their home patch.

[david in sweden]

On 11/07/2023 at 09:23, Dman said:

I love these theories. He's clearly not going to turn down a big money move to a big club north of London because his wife doesn't want to move. 

there is a long list of transfer deals (over many decades) that didn't happen because " the wife " didn't like the new club / location.

[Tom]

4 minutes ago, david in sweden said:

there is a long list of transfer deals (over many decades) that didn't happen because " the wife " didn't like the new club / location.

MLT being one of them.....

[ally_uk]

Couldn't we use him as leverage to get either Downes or Ings......