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23 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

Fairly sure that Jason Wilcox will not be charge of identifying our next manager. Unfortunately Ankersen will likely be deciding that

Quite the opposite I suspect but naturally board members will have to sign off on everything. However on the basis that SR have employed Wilcox, I'd be pretty surprised if their ideas didn't align. 

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39 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

I call bollocks on this 🤣

Probably.

Potter is the likely to be the 'biggest name' we're linked with towards the end of the season. I don't see the attraction of Marsch but he might appeal to Ankersen.

Of the other two, Rosenior has been at Hull since November,so that would be more of an outlandish gamble than Jones. Schumaker will be linked to every championship job going. 

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If Wilcox is being consulted on our next manager, and given our obsession with the City Group, I wouldnt be surprised to see us appoint Patrick Vieira. Both he and Wilcox would be very familiar with each other from their time in the youth development setup at CIty. 

If he was willing to drop down, we could do alot worse, although I'm not sure what style of football he played at Palace. Yes Hodgson has lifted them, but there were some positives under Vieira last season. Would he be a positive appointment for attracting players or retaining players? 

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Little Girona, a club that's spent nearly all of its history in the lower leagues, is currently having the best season in its history. This month, with Gazzaniga in goal and Romeu in midfield, they've drawn away to Barcelona and beaten Real Madrid at home. Why? Well the appointment of Míchel as their manager seems to have had a lot to do with it. He's been something of a promotion specialist, getting 3 teams, Rayo Vallecano, Huesca and last season, Girona, promoted to La Liga. But now he's proving he can compete at the highest level against the likes of Ancelotti and Xavi, with far more limited resources. The biggest fee they spent was £5 mill for Romeu. Most of their players have been brought in on free transfers or loans or for next to nothing, including their striker Castellanos, who just scored 4 goals against Real Madrid.

Míchel is still only 47 and is obviously one to consider if we want a manager to get us promoted next season.

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I’ve given many people shit for ridiculous suggestions like this one, but now we’re gone, I’d even take fucking Nigel Adkins for the last 5 games. Bring some positivity back to the club. 

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2 minutes ago, Dman said:

I’ve given many people shit for ridiculous suggestions like this one, but now we’re gone, I’d even take fucking Nigel Adkins for the last 5 games. Bring some positivity back to the club. 

Nah, I wouldn't want to tarnish him with these wankers. Let him live on the glory of the Fontes/Chaplows/Rickies/Hammonds etc. He doesn't deserve to have to manage this lot.

We're in a bit of an odd position really, need to start planning for next year but it's hard to that until we start shifting the rats, which we can't do until the season is over. It's a shame we can't start doing it now really. 

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3 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Nah, I wouldn't want to tarnish him with these wankers. Let him live on the glory of the Fontes/Chaplows/Rickies/Hammonds etc. He doesn't deserve to have to manage this lot.

We're in a bit of an odd position really, need to start planning for next year but it's hard to that until we start shifting the rats, which we can't do until the season is over. It's a shame we can't start doing it now really. 

The longer we keep Selles and his negative style, the deeper the rot becomes.

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3 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Nah, I wouldn't want to tarnish him with these wankers. Let him live on the glory of the Fontes/Chaplows/Rickies/Hammonds etc. He doesn't deserve to have to manage this lot.

We're in a bit of an odd position really, need to start planning for next year but it's hard to that until we start shifting the rats, which we can't do until the season is over. It's a shame we can't start doing it now really. 

My biggest worry is we won't shift many of the fuckers.

I mean just look at bednarek, deemed not good enough, makes snide remarks about the club when sent on loan, millions spent on replacements, yet quicker than a flash he is back as first choice CB.

Not sure any club in its right mind would want any of these cunts tbh 

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2 minutes ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

My biggest worry is we won't shift many of the fuckers.

I mean just look at bednarek, deemed not good enough, makes snide remarks about the club when sent on loan, millions spent on replacements, yet quicker than a flash he is back as first choice CB.

Not sure any club in its right mind would want any of these cunts tbh 

To be fair to Bednerak, since his return, he’s probably one of a very small few I’d actually keep. 

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On 26/04/2023 at 19:30, woodsaint1 said:

Fairly sure that Jason Wilcox will not be charge of identifying our next manager. Unfortunately Ankersen will likely be deciding that

No end of season Rasmus pulls back from selecting players . Wilcox will responsible. Rasmus said that a couple of months ago.

 

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9 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

Nah, I wouldn't want to tarnish him with these wankers. Let him live on the glory of the Fontes/Chaplows/Rickies/Hammonds etc. He doesn't deserve to have to manage this lot.

We're in a bit of an odd position really, need to start planning for next year but it's hard to that until we start shifting the rats, which we can't do until the season is over. It's a shame we can't start doing it now really. 

What we could do is go into the last five games without the players we know will not stay for the Championship - JWP, KWP, Lavia etc. The performances from the players left could not be any worse

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On 26/04/2023 at 19:30, woodsaint1 said:

Fairly sure that Jason Wilcox will not be charge of identifying our next manager. Unfortunately Ankersen will likely be deciding that

How do you know that?

Surely selecting the manager (or head coach) is one of the main things a director of football does. If not how exactly is he directing the football?

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9 hours ago, manji said:

No end of season Rasmus pulls back from selecting players . Wilcox will responsible. Rasmus said that a couple of months ago.

 

I await Rasmus to proudly boast that he is personally taking charge of hiring the new manager

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Can’t we go back to the old fashioned ways?

Manager comes in, lists who he’s like, they get scouted by the scouts, fees and discussions are then had etc.

Whats the point in getting a new DoF to start doing business when they might be bringing players in for a manager who aren’t fancied?

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5 hours ago, aintforever said:

How do you know that?

Surely selecting the manager (or head coach) is one of the main things a director of football does. If not how exactly is he directing the football?

There appears such a lack of joined up thinking at the club that’s its easy to see a situation arising where the manager is a ‘board’ appointment, and at loggerheads with Rasmus’s DOF (Willcox) from day one. 
 

All of which bodes well. 

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4 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Can’t we go back to the old fashioned ways?

Manager comes in, lists who he’s like, they get scouted by the scouts, fees and discussions are then had etc.

Whats the point in getting a new DoF to start doing business when they might be bringing players in for a manager who aren’t fancied?

So easy isn’t it ? Or it should be.

Instead of which players are selected and almost parachuted in with no input from the manager, who then has to work with the player day in day out.

I’ve joked about it before, but always felt Ralph might attend a press conference after a signing and say “ yes I’m sure he’s a good lad , but to be honest I’d never heard of the cunt …”

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16 hours ago, Dman said:

To be fair to Bednerak, since his return, he’s probably one of a very small few I’d actually keep. 

Right? Surprises and slightly pains me to say it but Bednerak's energy and passion has been one of the few sparks. Could even see him as a potential captain should JWP leave - can't believe I said that...

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Whoever we get, aside from their managerial/coaching skills simply has to be someone who can quickly get the fans onside in the way that both Koeman and Ralph did.

Someone who is able to acknowledge and shoulder the expectation/pressure of automatic promotion whilst realising the culture of the club has to be rebuilt simultaneously.

Its going to take a big character, and someone with an established reputation, either as a manager or a recently retired player who will command respect.

I'm not suggesting any names but clearly its a massive appointment that will set the tone.

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It’s not about who we get next but more about what those around the next manager do next.

Look at Potter, damn good manager but at Chelsea he never had a say in any player as the owner just brought in one player after another. 
Same for us and Cooper at Forest.

A manager should build a small squad and mix it with some youth players from the academy. That’s where we need to go again and stop this stupid wasting money on defender, wingers and strikers who have bloated the squad.
 

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4 hours ago, Sarisbury Saint said:

Tin hat time, but I really would take big Sam at the moment.

What's the point? If we do make a change now it has to be with a view of next season, let someone come in and get a good feel of what is needed in the Championship.

Aldardyce is a rescue act for clubs desperate, we're beyond desperate - it's done, so no point clinging onto any hope of ''oh we can win the last 5''.

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16 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Can’t we go back to the old fashioned ways?

Manager comes in, lists who he’s like, they get scouted by the scouts, fees and discussions are then had etc.

Whats the point in getting a new DoF to start doing business when they might be bringing players in for a manager who aren’t fancied?

Because we end up with the likes of James Bree & Guido Carillo 

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On 26/04/2023 at 23:14, woodsaint1 said:

If Wilcox is being consulted on our next manager, and given our obsession with the City Group, I wouldnt be surprised to see us appoint Patrick Vieira.

I’d be happy with someone like Vieira, a Scott Parker, a Steven Gerrard.

next manager needs to be a figure head, someone who comes in and gets the respect of the remaining players who don’t leave, straight away.  
 

Someone who will attract top young talent to the club on loan in the championship and give us a competitive edge in the transfer market. 
 

Vieira is used to working with young players, he’s young enough that he can be part of a rebuilding project too.

what i definitely don’t want is another money ball stat driven appointment where we try and be too “clever”. 

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5 hours ago, Dan Johnson said:

I’d be happy with someone like Vieira, a Scott Parker, a Steven Gerrard.

next manager needs to be a figure head, someone who comes in and gets the respect of the remaining players who don’t leave, straight away.  
 

Someone who will attract top young talent to the club on loan in the championship and give us a competitive edge in the transfer market. 
 

Vieira is used to working with young players, he’s young enough that he can be part of a rebuilding project too.

what i definitely don’t want is another money ball stat driven appointment where we try and be too “clever”. 

100% agree with this, we need a name and the only name's we can get are players who are realitively new to the management game.

SR have already said they are not adverse to picking a manager who has failed but,

Viera - sacked at Nice and Palace

Parker - sacked at Bournemouth and Brugge

Gerrard - Title winner at Rangers and sacked at Villa - Gerrard would be the one out of those 3 for me but the question mark is did he lose his brain when beale left him ?

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9 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

What's the point? If we do make a change now it has to be with a view of next season, let someone come in and get a good feel of what is needed in the Championship.

Aldardyce is a rescue act for clubs desperate, we're beyond desperate - it's done, so no point clinging onto any hope of ''oh we can win the last 5''.

Not to save our season but to scrap this fucking playbook of non attacking football.

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30 minutes ago, Sarisbury Saint said:

Not to save our season but to scrap this fucking playbook of non attacking football.

Absolutely!! At least go down with a couple of ‘organised’ fighting performances. Rather than the tepid crap that’s been the hallmark of the season !! 

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6 hours ago, Dan Johnson said:

I’d be happy with someone like Vieira, a Scott Parker, a Steven Gerrard.

next manager needs to be a figure head, someone who comes in and gets the respect of the remaining players who don’t

I agree with you but if Rasmus is selecting then we’re more likely to appoint a dickhead 

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1 hour ago, Convict Colony said:

100% agree with this, we need a name and the only name's we can get are players who are realitively new to the management game.

SR have already said they are not adverse to picking a manager who has failed but,

Viera - sacked at Nice and Palace

Parker - sacked at Bournemouth and Brugge

Gerrard - Title winner at Rangers and sacked at Villa - Gerrard would be the one out of those 3 for me but the question mark is did he lose his brain when beale left him ?

Of those you mention Vieira and Gerrard (despite Rangers) are really still trading on their names as players and remain unproven. Vieira is perhaps more of a ‘name’ but his record/reputation as manager is probably enhanced by being associated with City ( something the Saints hierarchy seem blinded by). 

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On 27/04/2023 at 12:02, Nordic Saint said:

Little Girona, a club that's spent nearly all of its history in the lower leagues, is currently having the best season in its history. This month, with Gazzaniga in goal and Romeu in midfield, they've drawn away to Barcelona and beaten Real Madrid at home. Why? Well the appointment of Míchel as their manager seems to have had a lot to do with it. He's been something of a promotion specialist, getting 3 teams, Rayo Vallecano, Huesca and last season, Girona, promoted to La Liga. But now he's proving he can compete at the highest level against the likes of Ancelotti and Xavi, with far more limited resources. The biggest fee they spent was £5 mill for Romeu. Most of their players have been brought in on free transfers or loans or for next to nothing, including their striker Castellanos, who just scored 4 goals against Real Madrid.

Míchel is still only 47 and is obviously one to consider if we want a manager to get us promoted next season.

Girona FC - Transfers 22/23 | Transfermarkt

 

On 27/04/2023 at 14:03, Themotherfunky said:

Part of the City group too, Girona.

Totally agree with these threads. Must admit, I've no idea who Michel and didn't realise we have an 'in' here but this is the kind of manager I would like us to bring in. A Championship club with financial backing should attract some able candidates.

Got the impression Ralph lost all authority/veto over player recruitment when SR came in and that seemed to coincide with him announcing he would leave in two years and our plummet south. Even if a manager doesn't have carte blanche on who comes in (we can't go back to those wheeler dealer 'Arry days), he has to have some buy in. There's a chance to mould a new team here.

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16 hours ago, benjii said:

I'm not sure there has been a single match this season when we've picked our best XI.

I don't think any of our recent managers (Selles in particular) has had any idea of what our best 11 actually is !

The squad of 25 is comprised of mostly average players with similar levels of ability and because we don't get results there is a lot of chopping and changing !

We would certainly have been better off picking 11 in their natural positions and sticking with it for a number of games to help them gel as a team but this never happened !

Also the obsession with process, personality, laptops, red zones and all the technical claptrap etc.. must be a distraction for some players who just want to go out and perform without a drawing board full of graphs implanted in their brains !!

My greatest hope in the Championship is that we go back to basics, ditch the theory and play with passion and instinct which sadly I doubt will actually happen 😟

 

 

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This may be stating the bleeding obvious but football is a team game. It’s not just a case of choosing a set of 11 players and sending out on the pitch in the hope that somehow between them they can stop goals going in our goal and score goals at the other end. 
 

Much of the enjoyment of watching football is to see the fluid movement and interchange of players with the aim of overloading the opposition in certain areas and gaining an advantage that might lead to an attack and a scoring opportunity. In many aspects moving men around on a pitch is similar to a battle or even a game of chess. 
 

What we do is like playing postal chess whilst the other teams are playing speed chess. “Get there the fastest with the mostest” is always a good idea.

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Vieira didn’t do badly at Palace. He brought in a number of good players, arguably a spine in terms of three good CB’s (Guehi, Anderson and Richards) and attacking mids in Olise and Eze. 

I’d say he was also unfortunate to lose his job given they’d come off a run of playing the top teams and their remaining games were against the bottom half of the table.

I’d take him.

Ultimately beggars can’t be choosers.

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