coalman Posted 16 July, 2023 Share Posted 16 July, 2023 1 minute ago, Turkish said: Get Gary in! HCDAJFU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 16 July, 2023 Share Posted 16 July, 2023 3 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: Ethics are all well and good but I'd rather the knowledge that my family was set for generations to come. So said Hitler 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 16 July, 2023 Share Posted 16 July, 2023 2 hours ago, Ribtickler said: Why is this annoying people? It's no different to what many owners have done, Watford etc and to some extent now our owners......own several clubs, move players around to save money, get more to spend etc. Oh is it because you have issues with the Saudis? and their "human rights"? No one says the same when we get Chinese owners, American owners (who if you are being politcal have probably contributed to the biggest issues ever in the middle east), Russians when they were allowed or any other dodgy multi millionaires who probably have shit on people to amass their fortunes... Smacks of jealousy really, im sure if we were owned by Saudis and doing the same you'd be all for it.....massive yawnfest...FOOTBALL IS ABOUT MONEY AND WON'T EVER CHANGE That's all i say on the matter. Watford etc and even us are different because you’re still constrained by FFP, albeit it is a work around.. for instance we ‘could’ get Goztepe to buy Che Adams for 30m but it’ll effect Goztepe’s FFP levels eventually The issue with the Saudi involvement in Newcastle and the SPL is they could effectively allow any or even all of the Saudi clubs to buy Newcastle deadwood at inflated prices which then allows NUFC to increase their FFP thresholds The other crap you’ve waffled on about is just laughable whataboutery you read on the internet so im not even going to bother responding 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coalman Posted 16 July, 2023 Share Posted 16 July, 2023 40 minutes ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said: So said Hitler That didn't work out so well for his family though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Bates Statue Posted 16 July, 2023 Share Posted 16 July, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, FarehamSaintJames said: I just find it funny Messi going to the MLS. Ronaldo going to the Middle East. Both for big final pay days, and deep down they must know the calibre of players they’re playing with is piss poor. (At least up until the recent Saudi Summer Sale). It's basically semi-retirement, ever since the days of Beckham doing it fifteen years ago (or whenever he went there). Go a bit further back and the likes of Pele were heading over there as their careers drew to a close. It's all silly money but I guess if I had the hypothetical opportunity it wouldn't be too difficult to choose playing in the USA rather than the Middle East. Certainly for the likes of lesser talents such as Bradley Wright-Phillips, it must have provided an attractive alternative to bumbling around the lower divisions of England. I remember Gazza ended up at Burnley at one point as he neared retirement, but had he been a bit younger, perhaps he might have chosen to go to the MLS instead. Edited 16 July, 2023 by Ted Bates Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted 16 July, 2023 Share Posted 16 July, 2023 1 hour ago, Bad Wolf said: 60 years later: "I'd like to buy a house please. Oh I don't have any money but my grandad had morals and principles. Do you accept that?" Ethics are all well and good but I'd rather the knowledge that my family was set for generations to come. Wonderful attitude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 16 July, 2023 Share Posted 16 July, 2023 2 hours ago, Turkish said: Yeah even Sunday league players were claiming to have done them, funny how they don’t break anymore I did one actually! On the lethal playing surface that was the Eastpoint centre! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 16 July, 2023 Share Posted 16 July, 2023 42 minutes ago, Chewy said: Wonderful attitude Just realistic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ribtickler Posted 16 July, 2023 Share Posted 16 July, 2023 1 hour ago, Smirking_Saint said: Watford etc and even us are different because you’re still constrained by FFP, albeit it is a work around.. for instance we ‘could’ get Goztepe to buy Che Adams for 30m but it’ll effect Goztepe’s FFP levels eventually The issue with the Saudi involvement in Newcastle and the SPL is they could effectively allow any or even all of the Saudi clubs to buy Newcastle deadwood at inflated prices which then allows NUFC to increase their FFP thresholds The other crap you’ve waffled on about is just laughable whataboutery you read on the internet so im not even going to bother responding I pretty much summed it up to perfection. You just don’t like it because it’s not your club. 100 percent I’m done saying anymore on this odious topic. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodymatt Posted 16 July, 2023 Share Posted 16 July, 2023 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkshire Saint Posted 16 July, 2023 Share Posted 16 July, 2023 Just now, goodymatt said: Almost as pleasing as Mike Dean retiring.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 16 July, 2023 Share Posted 16 July, 2023 1 hour ago, Chewy said: Wonderful attitude I know a lot of people who’ve gone to the Middle East because they were offered more money than they’d earn in Europe. I very nearly did it myself once, that doesn’t mean I or they support the politics of the country concerned. How far do you take this, do you refuse to use any kind of powered transport because you’re likely financing a Middle Eastern regime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 16 July, 2023 Share Posted 16 July, 2023 1 hour ago, coalman said: That didn't work out so well for his family though. Or pets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 16 July, 2023 Share Posted 16 July, 2023 19 minutes ago, goodymatt said: This would be incredible. If we somehow manage to keep Alcaraz and Tella and get in a new striker we will have a serious good strike force. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 16 July, 2023 Share Posted 16 July, 2023 19 minutes ago, Yorkshire Saint said: Almost as pleasing as Mike Dean retiring.... Don't get the hate for Redmond personally. He would have been head and shoulders above any of the shite last season. 15 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 16 July, 2023 Share Posted 16 July, 2023 6 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: Don't get the hate for Redmond personally. He would have been head and shoulders above any of the shite last season. Excellent revisionism, he'd have been head and shoulders at cutting back and laying it off to the fullback and then actually running past players twice in the whole season to score. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osvaldorama Posted 16 July, 2023 Share Posted 16 July, 2023 9 minutes ago, Saint_clark said: Excellent revisionism, he'd have been head and shoulders at cutting back and laying it off to the fullback and then actually running past players twice in the whole season to score. Miles better than Aribo, Edozie, Elyonoussi & Adam Armstrong… For all his faults, at least he was a lower premier league level player. He got goals and assists semi-regularly, plus seemed like he gave a shit about the club. None of the above is revisionist, it was obvious. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 16 July, 2023 Share Posted 16 July, 2023 2 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said: Miles better than Aribo, Edozie, Elyonoussi & Adam Armstrong… For all his faults, at least he was a lower premier league level player. He got goals and assists semi-regularly, plus seemed like he gave a shit about the club. None of the above is revisionist, it was obvious. He scored three league goals in his last two years here. He was barely an improvement on any of those other players and even if he was, that’s scarcely a legitimate brag. There are very few players from the last couple of years I’d be sad to see leave and Redmond wasn’t one of them. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Chuckle Posted 16 July, 2023 Share Posted 16 July, 2023 7 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said: Miles better than Aribo, Edozie, Elyonoussi & Adam Armstrong… For all his faults, at least he was a lower premier league level player. He got goals and assists semi-regularly, plus seemed like he gave a shit about the club. None of the above is revisionist, it was obvious. Goals semi regularly? He got 1 in 27 PL appearances in 21/22 He got 2 in 29 PL appearances 20/21 Joe Aribo and Adam Armstrong both got 2 PL goals last season so they actually had a better or as good as return as your "semi regular" goal scorer Redmond over his last 2 seasons with us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSA96 Posted 16 July, 2023 Share Posted 16 July, 2023 Praise be! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 16 July, 2023 Share Posted 16 July, 2023 3 minutes ago, CSA96 said: Praise be! Seen too many of these Turkish reports to have much faith until anything official comes of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 16 July, 2023 Share Posted 16 July, 2023 12 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said: Miles better than Aribo, Edozie, Elyonoussi & Adam Armstrong… For all his faults, at least he was a lower premier league level player. He got goals and assists semi-regularly, plus seemed like he gave a shit about the club. None of the above is revisionist, it was obvious. 22 goals and 21 assists in 201 appearances. If by regularly you mean a goal and assist for every 10 games he played then sure. I'd also disagree that he's miles better than Edozie. Edozies minutes last season add up to the equivalent of 6 full matches and he looked very dangerous, admittedly it didn't translate to goal involvements but that's a very small sample size. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Juice Posted 16 July, 2023 Share Posted 16 July, 2023 6 minutes ago, CSA96 said: Praise be! Woot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 16 July, 2023 Share Posted 16 July, 2023 Always wanted him to work out due to the passion he showed which so many others lacked, but my god is he a mediocre footballer and a disaster waiting to happen at all times. Would've done well to get a few million for him and Orsic from Turkey. Hopefully it's not over there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsaint1 Posted 16 July, 2023 Share Posted 16 July, 2023 Didnt realise Redmond is still in his 20s, had him being older than that. Yes he was very frustrating at times, but that was mainly because us fans knew what he was capable of. He was excellent during the season under Puel and Ralphs first season and a half. It definitely tailed off towards the end, but then as a club we've tailed off in recent years also. Yes he would have likely been a better option than the likes of Aribo, Ely, AA, Edozie etc last season but it wouldnt have made any difference with Mad Nate and Poundshop Pep in charge. Interesting to see if Burnley pursue this and how he might get on under Kompany. Personally think his PL days are past him, but he good be a solid squad player for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 16 July, 2023 Share Posted 16 July, 2023 3 hours ago, Bad Wolf said: 60 years later: "I'd like to buy a house please. Oh I don't have any money but my grandad had morals and principles. Do you accept that?" Ethics are all well and good but I'd rather the knowledge that my family was set for generations to come. Bullshit. I’ll do anything for my kids to give them a good start in life, but I couldn’t give a fuck about kids in my family in 60 years. For all I know, they might be arseholes. I don’t believe that shit from sportsmen either. They are just greedy fuckers with no principles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 16 July, 2023 Share Posted 16 July, 2023 1 hour ago, Lighthouse said: I know a lot of people who’ve gone to the Middle East because they were offered more money than they’d earn in Europe. I very nearly did it myself once, that doesn’t mean I or they support the politics of the country concerned. How far do you take this, do you refuse to use any kind of powered transport because you’re likely financing a Middle Eastern regime? To be fair, you’re not a multi-millionaire who has already got more cash than you could ever spend. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 16 July, 2023 Share Posted 16 July, 2023 1 hour ago, Wade Garrett said: Bullshit. I’ll do anything for my kids to give them a good start in life, but I couldn’t give a fuck about kids in my family in 60 years. For all I know, they might be arseholes. I don’t believe that shit from sportsmen either. They are just greedy fuckers with no principles. 1 hour ago, Wade Garrett said: To be fair, you’re not a multi-millionaire who has already got more cash than you could ever spend. All you're doing is drawing lines in the sand which, as far as I can tell, are completely arbitrary according to your own personal beliefs. Where exactly is the threshold for how much a person is allowed to earn before you can start questioning their morals? Footballers can already earn more money than they will ever need in the PL, thanks to a gargantuan TV deal involving £5bn from overseas broadcasters, including some in the ME, China and Burma. Surely they should all leave and earn their money in a more honest league without the dubious revenues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 16 July, 2023 Share Posted 16 July, 2023 You can tell we haven't had any proper competitive football in weeks when these conversations start appearing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 16 July, 2023 Share Posted 16 July, 2023 4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: You can tell we haven't had any proper competitive football in weeks when these conversations start appearing. About 80 of them, I'd say. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 16 July, 2023 Share Posted 16 July, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Wade Garrett said: Bullshit. I’ll do anything for my kids to give them a good start in life, but I couldn’t give a fuck about kids in my family in 60 years. For all I know, they might be arseholes. I don’t believe that shit from sportsmen either. They are just greedy fuckers with no principles. And I share those sentiments about other people in the world currently. You look after the people currently alive, I'll look after future generations of my bloodline. Everybody's happy. Edited 16 July, 2023 by Bad Wolf 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 17 July, 2023 Share Posted 17 July, 2023 Sorry, what are we talking about now? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 17 July, 2023 Share Posted 17 July, 2023 3 hours ago, Verbal said: Sorry, what are we talking about now? I don't know, but with phrases like "future bloodline" being whipped out, I can only assume we're worshipping a new vampire novel. And I'm here for it... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 17 July, 2023 Share Posted 17 July, 2023 3 hours ago, Verbal said: Sorry, what are we talking about now? Bloodlines, apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 17 July, 2023 Share Posted 17 July, 2023 Future adoptees are cut off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 17 July, 2023 Share Posted 17 July, 2023 9 hours ago, Bad Wolf said: Just realistic. Or selfish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 17 July, 2023 Share Posted 17 July, 2023 9 hours ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: Don't get the hate for Redmond personally. He would have been head and shoulders above any of the shite last season. Disagree he would have fitted perfectly. He was never the bravest player and usually took the easy option ie turn backwards and play a sideways pass. Quick to blame others too if I recall. It’s funny how players get better after they leave. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 17 July, 2023 Share Posted 17 July, 2023 9 minutes ago, Fitzhugh Fella said: Or selfish? Like 99.999% of the population of Earth then. I don't see how it's selfish anyway because I'm not JUST thinking about myself. I'm simply looking out for a different group of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 17 July, 2023 Share Posted 17 July, 2023 7 minutes ago, Fitzhugh Fella said: Disagree he would have fitted perfectly. He was never the bravest player and usually took the easy option ie turn backwards and play a sideways pass. Quick to blame others too if I recall. It’s funny how players get better after they leave. That I agree on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 17 July, 2023 Share Posted 17 July, 2023 6 hours ago, Lighthouse said: All you're doing is drawing lines in the sand which, as far as I can tell, are completely arbitrary according to your own personal beliefs. Where exactly is the threshold for how much a person is allowed to earn before you can start questioning their morals? Footballers can already earn more money than they will ever need in the PL, thanks to a gargantuan TV deal involving £5bn from overseas broadcasters, including some in the ME, China and Burma. Surely they should all leave and earn their money in a more honest league without the dubious revenues? Are the purpose of TV deals from other countries to try and sportswash clean their horrendous human rights records? Is sport being used to sportswash the horrendous human rights in the Middle East - yes. Is Jim going out there to increase his £50k salary for a while going to cover up the horrendous human rights, and is it money that Jim could do without - no. There’s my personal line in the sand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 17 July, 2023 Share Posted 17 July, 2023 Can’t you lot take your morals and ethics summit to another thread somewhere? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambtiss Posted 17 July, 2023 Share Posted 17 July, 2023 55 minutes ago, Toussaint said: Can’t you lot take your morals and ethics summit to another thread somewhere? Exactly, I come on this forum for Vestergaad not Kierkegaard 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 17 July, 2023 Share Posted 17 July, 2023 12 minutes ago, lambtiss said: Exactly, I come on this forum for Vestergaad not Kierkegaard Leicester buying Vestergard and Bertrand from us is still hilarious 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 17 July, 2023 Share Posted 17 July, 2023 11 hours ago, Ribtickler said: I pretty much summed it up to perfection. You just don’t like it because it’s not your club. 100 percent I’m done saying anymore on this odious topic. Ahh I see you’re one of them… fair enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiberalCommunist Posted 17 July, 2023 Share Posted 17 July, 2023 Got no beef with Redders, but man did he need to leave. Don't let our sub par replacements make you remember his last couple of seasons more fondly, its not healthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 17 July, 2023 Share Posted 17 July, 2023 11 hours ago, Ribtickler said: I pretty much summed it up to perfection. You just don’t like it because it’s not your club. 100 percent I’m done saying anymore on this odious topic. "Your club", not "Our club?"🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 17 July, 2023 Share Posted 17 July, 2023 8 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said: "Your club", not "Our club?"🤔 He's referring to Newcastle I believe, so definitely not 'our club'..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 17 July, 2023 Share Posted 17 July, 2023 2 hours ago, Toussaint said: Can’t you lot take your morals and ethics summit to another thread somewhere? Good point well made. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 17 July, 2023 Share Posted 17 July, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Bad Wolf said: Like 99.999% of the population of Earth then. I don't see how it's selfish anyway because I'm not JUST thinking about myself. I'm simply looking out for a different group of people. Sorry to be a little political on a football forum but unfortunately sportswashing has meant football is now involved in politics. How about sparing a thought for the persecuted in Saudi and of course that poor woman whose fiancée was chopped up and then destroyed with a bone saw? Edited 17 July, 2023 by Fitzhugh Fella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 17 July, 2023 Share Posted 17 July, 2023 2 minutes ago, Fitzhugh Fella said: How about sparing a thought for the persecuted in Saudi and of course that poor woman whose fiancée was chopped up with a bone saw? It's players willingness to take their money that's the discussion, and any player offered a chunk more money to play for a Saudi backed will doubtless take it. Fans on a forum taking the moral high ground is futile. Anyways, as has been said, this is massively off topic so I'll say no more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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