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29 minutes ago, Smirking_Saint said:

Maybe.. plenty of noise going around footballing circles saying exactly that though… they’re being very particular in their buys due to budgets

No different to every other team. 

To be honest no one expects Burnley to be splashing mega bucks on players this summer. The Prem money is not all paid up front, so it's not easy to bring a shed load of players in during the summer without bridging loans or a owner will be provide a big slush fund. However, actions speak louder than words. They have just spent £20m on a young keeper. There is no reason why they could not have just spent £20m or more on Tella and perhaps less on a keeper. Their choice. Whatever their situation is, pleading poverty ain't going to rub and as Forrest found out last season with Gibbs White, if you really want a player, you either pay the money demanded or find someone else.      

 

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2 hours ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

Chances of leaving this summer IMO

  • Alex McCarthy – 50%
  • 2. Kyle Walker-Peters – 95%
  • 4. Lyanco Vojnovic - 70%
  • 5. Jack Stephens – 50%
  • 6. Duje Ćaleta-Car - 70%
  • 7. Joe Aribo - 50%
  • 8. James Ward-Prowse – 60%
  • 9. Adam Armstrong - 10%
  • 10. Ché Adams - 90%
  • 12. Paul Onuachu - 80%
  • 14. James Bree - 1%
  • 15. Romain Perraud - 50%
  • 17. Stuart Armstrong – 50%
  • 18. Sékou Mara - 40% 
  • 19. Moussa Djénépo – 50%
  • 20. Kamaldeen Sulemana - 40%
  • 21. Tino Livramento - 40%
  • 22. Mohammed Salisu - 85%
  • 23. Samuel Edozie - 5%
  • 26. Carlos Alcaraz - 40%
  • 27. Ibrahima Diallo - 50%
  • 28. Juan Larios - 15%
  • 31. Gavin Bazunu - 10%
  • 35. Jan Bednarek - 50%
  • 37. Armel Bella-Kotchap - 80%
  • 45. Roméo Lavia - 95%
  • Will Smallbone – 10%
  • Nathan Tella - 60%
  • Ryan Manning - 0%
  • Shea Charles - 0%

I'd agree with most of that. Is probably a higher chance of Bree and Edozie leaving - we have no idea if they're in RM's plans. I'd probably say Perraud is at least 70% gone now Manning has arrived. 

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Well at least Monaco (hopefully) have some money. Whenever our players are linked to Turkey (like 50% of our squad this window) it feels like we're going to either let them go with a heavily subsidised loan, or are expected to just give them to them out of the kindness of our hearts! 

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6 minutes ago, davefizzy14 said:

The independent saying we are interested in Amad Diallo, yes please! One of the top players in the championship last season. 

Also hoping we get Piroe in, top quality striker. Apparently Swansea are bracing themselves for bids for him. 

Let's hope we are ready to "test their resolve" using our "war chest"

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2 hours ago, Chez said:

No different to every other team. 

To be honest no one expects Burnley to be splashing mega bucks on players this summer. The Prem money is not all paid up front, so it's not easy to bring a shed load of players in during the summer without bridging loans or a owner will be provide a big slush fund. However, actions speak louder than words. They have just spent £20m on a young keeper. There is no reason why they could not have just spent £20m or more on Tella and perhaps less on a keeper. Their choice. Whatever their situation is, pleading poverty ain't going to rub and as Forrest found out last season with Gibbs White, if you really want a player, you either pay the money demanded or find someone else.      

 

Agree with the last statement 100%, and actually most of it… but pleading poverty probably does have a place IF Saints were financially needing to sell (we don’t) OR Tella was pushing hard for the move (he isn’t) which is why I don’t think you will see much of an escalation of this transfer before, probably the start of our season.. if at all

As per young Trafford I think he is a terrific young keeper, and its probably realistic to say that right now in world football that keepers are much rarer than wide forwards, hence why a lot of their budget went there.. funnily enough they’re after another keeper so shows were Kompany is looking to strengthen

Edit - Coulibaly is also a CB… so I guess in a way ‘yes’ they have extra cash… but Im assuming they still need a CB, they’re obviously trying to stretch their budget but if 17.5m is too much then im not convinced they’ll push the boat out for Tella (who historically never looked much in the prem)

FWIW I think Burnley are down anyway

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On 12/07/2023 at 17:48, Chez said:

If they can find £19m for a keeper that has only played in League 1, they can find £20m for Tella. However, maybe we want £30m or £40m for Tella - which perhaps is us overvaluing our player. We don't really know.

The long and short of it is, we can set the price whatever we like. We may not sell at that price, but if we are comfortable at not selling, then that's our prerogative.

The fact that we have not said openly that "Tella is not for sale!" suggests to me that he is for sale but the price must be right. It also tends to confirm that the player wants to leave as Martin will have had that conversation with him from the get-go.

If the Bindippers won't pay what we want for Lavia then the player stays. He looks happy here so probably not that bothered one way or t'other. Better get used to that up there on the Merseyside.

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24 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

What odds can you give me on Lavia to stay this summer? 👀

As presumably a lower earner, and the guarantee of £40m next summer (with a presumed lower %age sell on clause), if SR are happy to try to fund with a lack of high profile sales, then do it. 

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9 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

As presumably a lower earner, and the guarantee of £40m next summer (with a presumed lower %age sell on clause), if SR are happy to try to fund with a lack of high profile sales, then do it. 

Thing is if its a choice of 40m this summer OR next summer, I.E - We don’t get an improvement on the 40m buy back next year Id hope they’d be happy to go into this season with a vastly superior midfield and tell the likes of the scousers to jog on

Ultimately it sounds like Klopp has done the usual tapping up, so Id hold firm

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1 hour ago, SaintsFan86 said:

 

 

Is this going to be a repeat of the Baby_vvd situation, where they REFUSED point blank to pay £75m.... "we will not pay more than £50m for him" etc ....
After we refused to backdown they ended watching every plane flying up from the south coast on Transfer Deadline day.
 
Four months later they came back and offered us the £75m in the Jan Transfer window (that they said THEY WOULD NEVER PAY).
 
That season liverpoo came 2nd behind Man City, the following season (with Baby_vvd) in the team they were top with Man City second.
 
Could they have been top that season if they had paid the correct amount in the summer transfer window ?.

 

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6 hours ago, Chez said:

and a significant size CM hole in the squad. Whether Liverpool will go for (and by that I mean spend £50m) a young talent with only one season under his belt, I am not sure. 

They will live to regret it if they do not, barring (maybe) Luke Shaw the best 19 year old I have seen playing for Saints in the PL.

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4 hours ago, Convict Colony said:

Should read - Che Adams ultimately is our best back to goal hold up play striker, but can't score in a brothel.

Succinct & accurate, how can that problem be resolved? Maybe outside the scope of Saints physio team? 

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3 hours ago, disconnect said:

Well at least Monaco (hopefully) have some money. Whenever our players are linked to Turkey (like 50% of our squad this window) it feels like we're going to either let them go with a heavily subsidised loan, or are expected to just give them to them out of the kindness of our hearts! 

Well not exactly kindness of heart, it at least gets them off the wage bill, which is better than continuing to pay them for very little return.

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1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

As presumably a lower earner, and the guarantee of £40m next summer (with a presumed lower %age sell on clause), if SR are happy to try to fund with a lack of high profile sales, then do it. 

there isn't a guarantee of £40m next summer. Who says City are going to want him?

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9 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

Why would we want rid of Armstrong? He has a brilliant record in this division!

Just because he scored goals then, it doesn't mean he will again. He was on fire three seasons ago, brimming with confidence and just hitting anything that came his way. He'll have more time and space again, but he has to get his mind right too if he is to score goals. I hope he can do it, but I don't think its a foregone conclusion that he will. 

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4 minutes ago, Chez said:

there isn't a guarantee of £40m next summer. Who says City are going to want him?

Quite right.   If a Liverpool or an Arsenal baulk at 50m pounds they will be missing a great prospect whose value is only going to inflate in the mid-term.     You just don't see 19yo's doing what he did regularly for us last season.    I think one of them will cough up.

Would be interesting to know if the kid himself is desperate to move; if he isn't, his agent certainly will be!     

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9 minutes ago, Chez said:

Just because he scored goals then, it doesn't mean he will again. He was on fire three seasons ago, brimming with confidence and just hitting anything that came his way. He'll have more time and space again, but he has to get his mind right too if he is to score goals. I hope he can do it, but I don't think its a foregone conclusion that he will. 

Sure but you wouldn't sell him either in case he can get his form back

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27 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said:

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It's about a tweet of a Saints player moving house or possibly fumigating the property due to bed bugs so moving everything out. Possibly. The Pen doesn't know this one. But he did know Shea Charles had soft hands before he was announced.

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2 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said:

 

I did hear he had said his goodbyes earlier this week.

Mental that. Not old and has basically given up with his football career already. There was a footballer in there but just couldn’t get it out consistently enough. Good luck to him, but what a disappointment in the end.

Hopefully we got some decent money for him given it’s Qatar

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Saint Fan CaM

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3 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said:

 

I did hear he had said his goodbyes earlier this week.

Well if it’s players like Diallo being shown the door perhaps things are looking up. I actually don’t think he was the worst o a bad bunch, but he’s not a player that would suit Martin’s style of play…just not comfortable enough in possession.

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4 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Well if it’s players like Diallo being shown the door perhaps things are looking up. I actually don’t think he was the worst o a bad bunch, but he’s not a player that would suit Martin’s style of play…just not comfortable enough in possession.

He was just a nothing player who you forgot was playing. Rarely had any sort of influence on the game both positive and negative. I'm glad he's going. 

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16 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Well if it’s players like Diallo being shown the door perhaps things are looking up. I actually don’t think he was the worst o a bad bunch, but he’s not a player that would suit Martin’s style of play…just not comfortable enough in possession.

Judging by last season and how uncomfortable most of the team looked in possession, we could be witnessing a mass exit 🤞🏼

Diallo, Salisu, Bednarek, McCarthy, Aribo and Adam/Stu Armstrong just some of the repeat offenders (as well as those who have left already)

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10 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

He was just a nothing player who you forgot was playing. Rarely had any sort of influence on the game both positive and negative. I'm glad he's going. 

Overall, you're right - he didn't have anywhere near the presence he needed.  It's a shame because he had an absolute blinder against Liverpool (think it was the game that Ralph cried).  I hoped he would kick on but never happened.

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Just now, woodsaint1 said:

Judging by last season and how uncomfortable most of the team looked in possession, we could be witnessing a mass exit 🤞🏼

Diallo, Salisu, Bednarek, McCarthy, Aribo and Stu Armstrong just some of the repeat offenders (as well as those who have left already)

Agreed,, although at least with Stu A he typically  Lost the ball when he was driving forwards to attempt to create a goal scoring opportunity. I’d be concerned that we didn’t have that attribute in any of our midfielders otherwise we’ll be witnessing a continuous recycling of the ball between defence and midfield.

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