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Following Saints for the past 48 years does give you a sense of perspective. Being a Cancerian, I wear my heart on my sleeve so to say, it's been an emotional ride is somewhat of an understatement. Witnessing wins like the 3-2 at home to Liverpool at the Dell, when Nick Holmes scored at the start of the second half, before Lawrie had even come out (He was walking down the touchline, he then turned round and went back in lol) was a highlight. It epitomised what I used to love about the club, Great spirit, and always able to give it a good go against the big boys. That ethos has been lost along the way recently and relegation was something we needed in my opinion to reset properly. Re the window, JWP has been a stalwart for us, but as has been mooted, he's late 20's and deserves to stay in PL playing alongside better players. Without Oriel, he was also way less effective for us last season and on many occasions slowed play down and nullified any attacking threat we had (just my opinion). Alongside the creative best in a decent side, his ability to hustle is second to none and his set piece ability world class. I just don't think he is the lynchpin we need esp in championship. I also think Lavia will go, too good not to, but with Charles added and Charley hopefully staying, I like the younger more dynamic feel moving forward. Have a good feeling we are moving in the right direction. Going back to JWP, I hope he gets his move and it will at least give me some interest in watching MOTD on a Saturday night. He will always be part of the Saints family

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20 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

 

 I think he’ll go, seems he’s been trying to get away for the last couple of windows. I’d be happy for him to stay, but if he’s not I hope it gets done quickly so we can move on in good time, as with all of the others who may not be required or wish to move on.

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11 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

 I think he’ll go, seems he’s been trying to get away for the last couple of windows. I’d be happy for him to stay, but if he’s not I hope it gets done quickly so we can move on in good time, as with all of the others who may not be required or wish to move on.

I think a fresh start is for the best for all of us. If we can get a couple of attackers in it will hopefully give us a new direction rather than sticking with the players who have been at best inconsistent. I'd probably sell Mara too. 

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43 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Shot power 20. 
Shot accuracy 1.

I’ve never known a striker hit a ball so cleanly and yet miss the target or aim at the keeper so often.

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I think that part of the problem.  He tries to break the back of the net.

I’ve also never seen a striker miss so many inside the 6 yard box.

He never makes near post runs.

He’s good without the ball though.

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6 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

I think that part of the problem.  He tries to break the back of the net.

I’ve also never seen a striker miss so many inside the 6 yard box.

He never makes near post runs.

He’s good without the ball though.

He's good as a partner to a better striker. Him and Ings together were excellent. As the main #9 he's not good enough.

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Personally am suprised how comfortable people would be with losing our best striker. Yes he isn't perfect but I feel confident he would score 20 in the Championship, we don't have another player that applies to. It would cost us more to replace him with a player of an equal/lower standard and he is one of the players with "experience" that is so clamoured for on here.

Will be very interesting to see the squad that flies to Turkey, as assume Charles and Manning will go for team bonding if not playing time.

If the likes of Tella, Diallo, Onuachu etc (who have been training) don't travel then its surely a sign that they aren't in the plans for the season.

We have way too many players so need to start getting some out as pointless giving many pre season minutes to players who won't be here in a month's time.

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20 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Personally am suprised how comfortable people would be with losing our best striker. Yes he isn't perfect but I feel confident he would score 20 in the Championship, we don't have another player that applies to. It would cost us more to replace him with a player of an equal/lower standard and he is one of the players with "experience" that is so clamoured for on here.

Will be very interesting to see the squad that flies to Turkey, as assume Charles and Manning will go for team bonding if not playing time.

If the likes of Tella, Diallo, Onuachu etc (who have been training) don't travel then its surely a sign that they aren't in the plans for the season.

We have way too many players so need to start getting some out as pointless giving many pre season minutes to players who won't be here in a month's time.

Agree. Also looks like he’s best suited to how RM wants to play. 

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2 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Shot power 20. 
Shot accuracy 1.

I’ve never known a striker hit a ball so cleanly and yet miss the target or aim at the keeper so often.

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You see that a lot with other players, the amount of shots that are blasted straight at the keeper. Lineker was in no way a naturally talented footballer but he had pace and he was clever, I remember him saying he would always aim for the corners.

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Regardless of whether Che, Armstrong, Mara or Tall Paul move on, we’re down two decent strikers which need recruiting, as otherwise I think there will be a goal drought this coming season. It’s a huge persisting problem that needs sorting out for us to get anywhere near a chance of promotion.

The only striker I would put any hope in for goals is Tella and it’s extremely unclear whether he’s going to be staying. I was a little disappointed not to see him get some playing time against Benfica given he’s been training with squad.

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8 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Regardless of whether Che, Armstrong, Mara or Tall Paul move on, we’re down two decent strikers which need recruiting, as otherwise I think there will be a goal drought this coming season. It’s a huge persisting problem that needs sorting out for us to get anywhere near a chance of promotion.

The only striker I would put any hope in for goals is Tella and it’s extremely unclear whether he’s going to be staying. I was a little disappointed not to see him get some playing time against Benfica given he’s been training with squad.

Tella played on the wing for Burnley, it would be a mistake to bring him back and immediately hand him a different role than the one he was so successful in.

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2 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Tella played on the wing for Burnley, it would be a mistake to bring him back and immediately hand him a different role than the one he was so successful in.

Not sure I understand what you mean as I didn’t suggest he would have a different role - just that as an attacking forward he has recent goal scoring form. The issue of course is whether his goal scoring at Burnley was dependent on either his team mates ability to provide assists or the playing system(s) employed or both. I fear that the system we’ve seen employed by Saints will hinder him scoring as it has done so many other players over the last three years, with the exception of the last Liverpool game when something clicked for some reason.

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17 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Not sure I understand what you mean as I didn’t suggest he would have a different role - just that as an attacking forward he has recent goal scoring form. The issue of course is whether his goal scoring at Burnley was dependent on either his team mates ability to provide assists or the playing system(s) employed or both. I fear that the system we’ve seen employed by Saints will hinder him scoring as it has done so many other players over the last three years, with the exception of the last Liverpool game when something clicked for some reason.

"The only striker I would put any hope in for goals is Tella"

If you meant forward then fair enough.

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17 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

Had a trawl round a few fan sites this morning and the consensus is that Saints are 'greatly overpricing' their best players.  Bloody great, hope this stoicism continues right down to the slamming of the window. 

Yeah right, how dare we not roll over and have our bellies tickled for half what our players are worth.

I'm pretty comfortable with the club's strat so far. Price our players high, anyone comes in and buys some will relieve the pressure to sell others. We can lower prices at the end of the window if required, but one big sale (lavia) and shifting out most of the deadwood (which we want to do) sets us up nicely for the season - extra sales beyond that will be to facilitate player trading (and we've already signed 4 players, albeit for minimal spend). There is also the simple fact that other sides will get desperate going into August and will overpay - particularly lower prem sides.

Still possible we start the season with a midfield and wingers including JWP, Sulemana, Alcaraz, Tella alongside Charles - with the likes of Stu Armstrong (starting if fit), Edozie, Smallbone, Doyle, etc to provide depth. Armstrong, Mara, and ballard up front. Its really not a bad side for the championship as it is, and we may well strengthen the attack. Just need to sort out the central defence primarily - but Tino, Bree, Perruad, Manning, Larios is already a solid set of wing backs.

Baz will be fine in goal despite what the naysayers say, so its CB's to sort. And cheerio to the likes of Tall Paul (£10M), Che (£15M), KWP (£15M), Salisu (£10-15M), Lavia (50M), and possibly Macca (will pay) as a minimum.

This championship malarkey is going to be a cakewalk 😎

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19 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

Had a trawl round a few fan sites this morning and the consensus is that Saints are 'greatly overpricing' their best players.  Bloody great, hope this stoicism continues right down to the slamming of the window. 

People just parrot what they've read in the press. Clubs publicly lowballing us is just part of a concerted strategy on their part to drive the price down. The bigger clubs with more connections to the press have more leverage here as well, sadly.

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2 hours ago, CSA96 said:
Sounds like Liverpool are about to come into a lot of money and lose Henderson and Fabinho to Saudi...
 

and a significant size CM hole in the squad. Whether Liverpool will go for (and by that I mean spend £50m) a young talent with only one season under his belt, I am not sure. 

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1 minute ago, SaintsFan86 said:

Yep, Sadly it looks like we could be saying bye to him.

Based on what? That another transfer may have fallen through and Burnley may want him? If we value him at £20M+ and Burnley want him, they will have to stump up the cash. Simple as. Otherwise he stays.

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Just now, InvictaSaint said:

Based on what? That another transfer may have fallen through and Burnley may want him? If we value him at £20M+ and Burnley want him, they will have to stump up the cash. Simple as. Otherwise he stays.

Who's saying they haven't stumped up the cash?

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Chances of leaving this summer IMO

  • Alex McCarthy – 50%
  • 2. Kyle Walker-Peters – 95%
  • 4. Lyanco Vojnovic - 70%
  • 5. Jack Stephens – 50%
  • 6. Duje Ćaleta-Car - 70%
  • 7. Joe Aribo - 50%
  • 8. James Ward-Prowse – 60%
  • 9. Adam Armstrong - 10%
  • 10. Ché Adams - 90%
  • 12. Paul Onuachu - 80%
  • 14. James Bree - 1%
  • 15. Romain Perraud - 50%
  • 17. Stuart Armstrong – 50%
  • 18. Sékou Mara - 40% 
  • 19. Moussa Djénépo – 50%
  • 20. Kamaldeen Sulemana - 40%
  • 21. Tino Livramento - 40%
  • 22. Mohammed Salisu - 85%
  • 23. Samuel Edozie - 5%
  • 26. Carlos Alcaraz - 40%
  • 27. Ibrahima Diallo - 50%
  • 28. Juan Larios - 15%
  • 31. Gavin Bazunu - 10%
  • 35. Jan Bednarek - 50%
  • 37. Armel Bella-Kotchap - 80%
  • 45. Roméo Lavia - 95%
  • Will Smallbone – 10%
  • Nathan Tella - 60%
  • Ryan Manning - 0%
  • Shea Charles - 0%
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1 hour ago, SaintsFan86 said:

 

I'll have some of that please.

But, but, but....that's not fair! Ohhh, the poor Scousers. Everyone knows we should be letting them choose the fee for any of our players. We should be honoured to let them buy players from us.

Honestly. I really feel for them.

 

 

 

 

 

(Has anyone got a gif of a 'Scouse kid crying?)

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28 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said:

Who's saying they haven't stumped up the cash?

Nobody - including me! But you posted that he looks like he is sadly off based on Burnley's other target potentially falling through. There is nothing in that tweet about their having stumped up the cash to buy Tella.

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32 minutes ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

Chances of leaving this summer IMO

  • Alex McCarthy – 50%
  • 2. Kyle Walker-Peters – 95%
  • 4. Lyanco Vojnovic - 70%
  • 5. Jack Stephens – 50%
  • 6. Duje Ćaleta-Car - 70%
  • 7. Joe Aribo - 50%
  • 8. James Ward-Prowse – 60%
  • 9. Adam Armstrong - 10%
  • 10. Ché Adams - 90%
  • 12. Paul Onuachu - 80%
  • 14. James Bree - 1%
  • 15. Romain Perraud - 50%
  • 17. Stuart Armstrong – 50%
  • 18. Sékou Mara - 40% 
  • 19. Moussa Djénépo – 50%
  • 20. Kamaldeen Sulemana - 40%
  • 21. Tino Livramento - 40%
  • 22. Mohammed Salisu - 85%
  • 23. Samuel Edozie - 5%
  • 26. Carlos Alcaraz - 40%
  • 27. Ibrahima Diallo - 50%
  • 28. Juan Larios - 15%
  • 31. Gavin Bazunu - 10%
  • 35. Jan Bednarek - 50%
  • 37. Armel Bella-Kotchap - 80%
  • 45. Roméo Lavia - 95%
  • Will Smallbone – 10%
  • Nathan Tella - 60%
  • Ryan Manning - 0%
  • Shea Charles - 0%

I think I'd agree with all of that

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45 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said:

Yep, Sadly it looks like we could be saying bye to him.

The Coulibaly deal fell through because they can’t afford him

The whispers going around the media is that Burnleys budget is incredibly small this year… Im not sure, if we stand fast on our fee, that he’ll be going anywhere

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We could see Liverpool ramping up the Lavia chase now, they previously missed the signing of Tchoumeni due to their delay Im not convinced they’ll let a further top talent in RL slip through their grasp.. its up to us to push for the best possible fee

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9 minutes ago, Smirking_Saint said:

The whispers going around the media is that Burnleys budget is incredibly small this year… 

The Burnley FC PR team are doing a great job. The £19m they just spent on a league 1 keeper is already completely forgotten.

 

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1 hour ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

Chances of leaving this summer IMO

  • Alex McCarthy – 50%
  • 2. Kyle Walker-Peters – 95%
  • 4. Lyanco Vojnovic - 70%
  • 5. Jack Stephens – 50%
  • 6. Duje Ćaleta-Car - 70%
  • 7. Joe Aribo - 50%
  • 8. James Ward-Prowse – 60%
  • 9. Adam Armstrong - 10%
  • 10. Ché Adams - 90%
  • 12. Paul Onuachu - 80%
  • 14. James Bree - 1%
  • 15. Romain Perraud - 50%
  • 17. Stuart Armstrong – 50%
  • 18. Sékou Mara - 40% 
  • 19. Moussa Djénépo – 50%
  • 20. Kamaldeen Sulemana - 40%
  • 21. Tino Livramento - 40%
  • 22. Mohammed Salisu - 85%
  • 23. Samuel Edozie - 5%
  • 26. Carlos Alcaraz - 40%
  • 27. Ibrahima Diallo - 50%
  • 28. Juan Larios - 15%
  • 31. Gavin Bazunu - 10%
  • 35. Jan Bednarek - 50%
  • 37. Armel Bella-Kotchap - 80%
  • 45. Roméo Lavia - 95%
  • Will Smallbone – 10%
  • Nathan Tella - 60%
  • Ryan Manning - 0%
  • Shea Charles - 0%

 

I've put them in % order and made my comment FWIW

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2. Kyle Walker-Peters – 95% 95 Shame
45. Roméo Lavia - 95% 95 Accepted
10. Ché Adams - 90% 90 Prefer he stayed but hope it happens soonest if he is off
22. Mohammed Salisu - 85% 85 Bugger off
12. Paul Onuachu - 80% 80 Meh
37. Armel Bella-Kotchap - 80% 80 Bugger off
4. Lyanco Vojnovic - 70% 70 I like him but don't care too much  either way
6. Duje Ćaleta-Car - 70% 70 Meh
8. James Ward-Prowse – 60% 60 Hope he stays, but also wish him well if he gets the move he wants
Nathan Tella - 60% 60 Hope he stays  
Alex McCarthy – 50% 50 Meh
5. Jack Stephens – 50% 50 Hope he stays, could be important
7. Joe Aribo - 50% 50 Don't care
15. Romain Perraud - 50% 50 I like him but don't care either way
17. Stuart Armstrong – 50% 50 Hope he stays, could be important
19. Moussa Djénépo – 50% 50 Meh
27. Ibrahima Diallo - 50% 50 Bugger off
35. Jan Bednarek - 50% 50 Hope he stays, could be important
18. Sékou Mara - 40%  40 Meh
20. Kamaldeen Sulemana - 40% 40 Hope he stays, could be important
21. Tino Livramento - 40% 40 Please Stay!
26. Carlos Alcaraz - 40% 40 Hope he stays, could be important  
28. Juan Larios - 15% 15 No idea!
9. Adam Armstrong - 10% 10 Not sure
31. Gavin Bazunu - 10% 10 Think he'll come good
Will Smallbone – 10% 10 Good
23. Samuel Edozie - 5% 5 Good
14. James Bree - 1% 1 Happy for him to stay
Ryan Manning - 0% 0  
Shea Charles - 0% 0  
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Che Adams ultimately is our best striker, I wouldn’t be comfortable losing him unless we brought in two more.

Realistically, I don’t think that will happen so he’ll like be here this season and then elsewhere next season.


In all honesty the last couple of summers I could not have given less of a shit who stays, who goes, who is linked with you, what rumour is in the newspaper.
I just don’t care for any of that anymore.

Ultimately, come September 1st or whatever it is this season, as long as we have a squad to compete for the top end of the Championship I’ll be happy.

Even the social media side has ruined the transfer window because gone are the days when you’d have a rumour on maybe over two accounts; now you have multiple accounts copying each other posting the same bullshit with little or no substance.

Maybe I’m just old.

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51 minutes ago, Chez said:

The Burnley FC PR team are doing a great job. The £19m they just spent on a league 1 keeper is already completely forgotten.

 

Maybe.. plenty of noise going around footballing circles saying exactly that though… they’re being very particular in their buys due to budgets

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44 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

 

I've put them in % order and made my comment FWIW

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2. Kyle Walker-Peters – 95% 95 Shame
45. Roméo Lavia - 95% 95 Accepted
10. Ché Adams - 90% 90 Prefer he stayed but hope it happens soonest if he is off
22. Mohammed Salisu - 85% 85 Bugger off
12. Paul Onuachu - 80% 80 Meh
37. Armel Bella-Kotchap - 80% 80 Bugger off
4. Lyanco Vojnovic - 70% 70 I like him but don't care too much  either way
6. Duje Ćaleta-Car - 70% 70 Meh
8. James Ward-Prowse – 60% 60 Hope he stays, but also wish him well if he gets the move he wants
Nathan Tella - 60% 60 Hope he stays  
Alex McCarthy – 50% 50 Meh
5. Jack Stephens – 50% 50 Hope he stays, could be important
7. Joe Aribo - 50% 50 Don't care
15. Romain Perraud - 50% 50 I like him but don't care either way
17. Stuart Armstrong – 50% 50 Hope he stays, could be important
19. Moussa Djénépo – 50% 50 Meh
27. Ibrahima Diallo - 50% 50 Bugger off
35. Jan Bednarek - 50% 50 Hope he stays, could be important
18. Sékou Mara - 40%  40 Meh
20. Kamaldeen Sulemana - 40% 40 Hope he stays, could be important
21. Tino Livramento - 40% 40 Please Stay!
26. Carlos Alcaraz - 40% 40 Hope he stays, could be important  
28. Juan Larios - 15% 15 No idea!
9. Adam Armstrong - 10% 10 Not sure
31. Gavin Bazunu - 10% 10 Think he'll come good
Will Smallbone – 10% 10 Good
23. Samuel Edozie - 5% 5 Good
14. James Bree - 1% 1 Happy for him to stay
Ryan Manning - 0% 0  
Shea Charles - 0% 0  

some decisive takes there hahahaha

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44 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Che Adams ultimately is our best striker, I wouldn’t be comfortable losing him unless we brought in two more.

Realistically, I don’t think that will happen so he’ll like be here this season and then elsewhere next season.


In all honesty the last couple of summers I could not have given less of a shit who stays, who goes, who is linked with you, what rumour is in the newspaper.
I just don’t care for any of that anymore.

Ultimately, come September 1st or whatever it is this season, as long as we have a squad to compete for the top end of the Championship I’ll be happy.

Even the social media side has ruined the transfer window because gone are the days when you’d have a rumour on maybe over two accounts; now you have multiple accounts copying each other posting the same bullshit with little or no substance.

Maybe I’m just old.

Should read - Che Adams ultimately is our best back to goal hold up play striker, but can't score in a brothel.

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1 hour ago, Smirking_Saint said:

We could see Liverpool ramping up the Lavia chase now, they previously missed the signing of Tchoumeni due to their delay Im not convinced they’ll let a further top talent in RL slip through their grasp.. its up to us to push for the best possible fee

Hopefully we stop hearing Liverpool fans harp on about City being middle East funded now that they've hopped on the dodgy as fuck Saudi gravy train. 

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45 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Che Adams ultimately is our best striker, I wouldn’t be comfortable losing him unless we brought in two more.

Realistically, I don’t think that will happen so he’ll like be here this season and then elsewhere next season.


In all honesty the last couple of summers I could not have given less of a shit who stays, who goes, who is linked with you, what rumour is in the newspaper.
I just don’t care for any of that anymore.

Ultimately, come September 1st or whatever it is this season, as long as we have a squad to compete for the top end of the Championship I’ll be happy.

Even the social media side has ruined the transfer window because gone are the days when you’d have a rumour on maybe over two accounts; now you have multiple accounts copying each other posting the same bullshit with little or no substance.

Maybe I’m just old.

You could do what I do and just not use social media, only check this thread once every couple of days and then be caught unawares when a signing is made. 

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50 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Che Adams ultimately is our best striker, I wouldn’t be comfortable losing him unless we brought in two more.

Realistically, I don’t think that will happen so he’ll like be here this season and then elsewhere next season.


In all honesty the last couple of summers I could not have given less of a shit who stays, who goes, who is linked with you, what rumour is in the newspaper.
I just don’t care for any of that anymore.

Ultimately, come September 1st or whatever it is this season, as long as we have a squad to compete for the top end of the Championship I’ll be happy.

Even the social media side has ruined the transfer window because gone are the days when you’d have a rumour on maybe over two accounts; now you have multiple accounts copying each other posting the same bullshit with little or no substance.

Maybe I’m just old.

That is a symptom of what has become known as "the post truth era", if anything gets repeated enough times it becomes fact,  unfortunately its very prevalent in he MSM, opinions being reputed as news. 

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2 hours ago, Suhari said:

But, but, but....that's not fair! Ohhh, the poor Scousers. Everyone knows we should be letting them choose the fee for any of our players. We should be honoured to let them buy players from us.

Honestly. I really feel for them.

 

 

 

 

 

(Has anyone got a gif of a 'Scouse kid crying?)

It's only fair they should get to set the price they want given the expenses Klopp will have incurred entertaining Lavia in Blackpool 

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