Summer Transfer Window 2023

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, SaintLondon said:

He is.

You weren't so sure last week. 

[SaintLondon]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

You weren't so sure last week. 

I know, I am now. 

[goodymatt]

1 minute ago, SaintLondon said:

I know, I am now. 

Source?

[SaintLondon]

Sorry, didn't mean to submit so quickly. I thought (hoped) last week that he would stay but I'm now led to believe that he is going - not a confirmed destination but he will be leaving and won't be a Saints player next season. I would of course LOVE to be proved wrong. 

[Fabrice29]

The man who actively went out on local radio telling everyone how much he’s missed playing European football and wants to experience it again is not playing in the Championship next year - and if he is it’ll be his last option.

Also would be intrigued to see the reaction on here last season if we were trying to sign a relegated captain who is 28 years old and being told our £20 million valuation is nowhere near enough. 

Edited 12 July, 2023 by Fabrice29

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, SaintLondon said:

Sorry, didn't mean to submit so quickly. I thought (hoped) last week that he would stay but I'm now led to believe that he is going - not a confirmed destination but he will be leaving and won't be a Saints player next season. I would of course LOVE to be proved wrong. 

Thanks for the post. That's a shame but not unexpected. I expect it will be to West ham and we get Downes. Do you know why he wants to go? I'm surprised the club have featured him so heavily in preseason so far (he's been front and centre for most of it.)

[SaintLondon]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Thanks for the post. That's a shame but not unexpected. I expect it will be to West ham and we get Downes. Do you know why he wants to go? I'm surprised the club have featured him so heavily in preseason so far (he's been front and centre for most of it.)

I don't know anything else, I don't know why / where so don't want to speculate. Just passing on what I've heard but as I said, I'd like to be proved wrong. I'm sure he loves the club but wants to be playing in the PL. He could give us a year but then if we don't go up he'll be the best part of 30 years old and perhaps he's worried / advised that would make a move more complicated. Best to secure a move now and for my money, it stinks of West Ham. 

[FarehamSaintJames]

Shea Charles if he has signed, a bit like Ryan Manning, never heard of him. I feel old now.

Mo Salisu, £6.5m? I doubt those figures are true but I doubt it’ll be more than we initially paid for him given he has a year left and hasn’t exactly lit up the world for eighteen months.

JWP, still don’t think he’s leaving. He’s almost 30. Villa and West Ham are likely looking at a higher calibre of player than him, and younger too.
I’m sure he’ll stick around this season. 

[Turkish]

5 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Shea Charles if he has signed, a bit like Ryan Manning, never heard of him. I feel old now.

Mo Salisu, £6.5m? I doubt those figures are true but I doubt it’ll be more than we initially paid for him given he has a year left and hasn’t exactly lit up the world for eighteen months.

JWP, still don’t think he’s leaving. He’s almost 30. Villa and West Ham are likely looking at a higher calibre of player than him, and younger too.
I’m sure he’ll stick around this season. 

29 in November, his game is based alot around workrate and running, these things tend to start to decline once a player gets past 30. There are a few exceptions, like James Milner, maybe he could be one. But no way is he a £40m player regardless of our FM experts claiming he is because he's got 3 years left on his contract.

[goodymatt]

If he has to go, would you take £20m plus Downes for Prowsey? I think that’s a pretty good deal for Saints.

Has a Hojbjerg/KWP vibe about it but the longer contract should secure us more fee.

Just pure speculation, of course!

[Bad Wolf]

8 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

If he has to go, would you take £20m plus Downes for Prowsey? I think that’s a pretty good deal for Saints.

Has a Hojbjerg/KWP vibe about it but the longer contract should secure us more fee.

Just pure speculation, of course!

I'd just about take that but not a penny less. Ideally I'd squeeze them for £25 Million.

[Convict Colony]

20 minutes ago, Turkish said:

29 in November, his game is based alot around workrate and running, these things tend to start to decline once a player gets past 30. There are a few exceptions, like James Milner, maybe he could be one. But no way is he a £40m player regardless of our FM experts claiming he is because he's got 3 years left on his contract.

like milner JWP is the king of the bleep test again so maybe he has the endurance to perform longer into old age

[Saint Fan CaM]

38 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Shea Charles if he has signed, a bit like Ryan Manning, never heard of him. I feel old now.

Mo Salisu, £6.5m? I doubt those figures are true but I doubt it’ll be more than we initially paid for him given he has a year left and hasn’t exactly lit up the world for eighteen months.

JWP, still don’t think he’s leaving. He’s almost 30. Villa and West Ham are likely looking at a higher calibre of player than him, and younger too.
I’m sure he’ll stick around this season. 

With Shea Charles or any other incoming player the key is where they’ve come from and what past experience they’ve had to be considered for our squad. Who’d heard of Lavia or Alcarez before they joined us? Orsic came to us with supposedly an excellent pedigree and rep which most fans had been aware of, but look how that turned out!

I don’t think the club is in any rush to agree to a huge drop in Salisu’s value with weeks still left in the window. My guess is he will go at a tad under our purchase price, but possibly with a sell-on clause or similar.

JWP is an enigma. I don’t doubt he wants to play in the Prem/Europe and I don’t doubt that the club will see this window as an opportunity to make money on a saleable asset. For all his prowess in free kicks, his corner taking is not all that and his job as a DM is…well, standard. For all his high pass stats, his corresponding assists have tailed off dramatically. I’ve never been particularly convinced he’s Captain material, although I suspect the dressing room of the last three seasons has provided a ‘safe son-in-law’ environment for him. On balance, anything over £35m and we bite.

[goodymatt]

Leeds signed Rodrigo for £27m, club record fee at the time. Due to his relegation clause he is off to a Qatari side for just £3m. That’s a massive £24m hit. We lost less letting Carillo walk for nothing! Other clauses have players of good value leaving on loans too, surely we are better placed than Leeds this season?

[Lee On Solent Saint]

7 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

With Shea Charles or any other incoming player the key is where they’ve come from and what past experience they’ve had to be considered for our squad. Who’d heard of Lavia or Alcarez before they joined us? Orsic came to us with supposedly an excellent pedigree and rep which most fans had been aware of, but look how that turned out!

I don’t think the club is in any rush to agree to a huge drop in Salisu’s value with weeks still left in the window. My guess is he will go at a tad under our purchase price, but possibly with a sell-on clause or similar.

JWP is an enigma. I don’t doubt he wants to play in the Prem/Europe and I don’t doubt that the club will see this window as an opportunity to make money on a saleable asset. For all his prowess in free kicks, his corner taking is not all that and his job as a DM is…well, standard. For all his high pass stats, his corresponding assists have tailed off dramatically. I’ve never been particularly convinced he’s Captain material, although I suspect the dressing room of the last three seasons has provided a ‘safe son-in-law’ environment for him. On balance, anything over £35m and we bite.

I think we will take £30m. Anything under is too low to take. Still have hopes that he will give us at least until the January window. 

[Master Bates]

1 hour ago, SaintLondon said:

I know, I am now. 

Stop playing with my emotions. 

[beatlesaint]

Biggest victim this summer will be Fareham James when JWP goes. 😞

[SaintJackoInHurworth]

3 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

£5m is still profit and a lot of money 

Sorry to get technical, but £5m would be a £7m loss not a profit considering we paid £12m to buy him. What I think you mean is that it would be a cash flow into the coffers of £5m due to liquidating one of our assets.

3 hours ago, goodymatt said:

I’m surprised there aren’t any links to KWP moving on at the moment, our depth at FB is pretty strong and he’s clearly a PL player. There were previous links to Everton and Villa, he’s surely worth at least £20m with his experience, age and 2 years left on his contract? We paid £12m for him as a young prospect.

Salisu injury record, perceived relationship with the club, relegation and 1 year left on his contract means we won’t get his full market value. We didn’t with Vest or Pierre though and still got £15m. £6.5m would be an absolute steal for a player of his quality and at 24 still potential to realise.

3 hours ago, egg said:

I'm not sure who'd start him in the PL, and last season did him no favours. We have one RB too many and he'd be the obvious one to go, but if there's no takers for KWP, that's when I think we'd be more open to cashing in on Tino.

Salisu. Whether we refused to play him as I'd understood, or he didn't fancy it as per the athletic piece, is unclear. Either way, something went on last year, he's in his last year, so it seems to be that we take the best we can get for him - if that's £6.5m, that's his price. All a bit of a shame the way it started and finished for him here, he looked to have the ability to go to the top but it hasn't quite happened. 

I think a lot of clubs would be keen to sign KWP and start him. Newcastle are rumoured to have renewed their interest in him having realised that Saints are not going to reduce the amount we want for Tino.

I can't see us necessarily being more open to cashing in on Tino bearing in mind that if we sell to anyone other than Chelsea we will have to pay a Chelsea a large dollop of whatever fee we receive. Having said that there are rumours that Chelsea are now interested in signing him and in that case we may have no option but to sell as Chelsea would be able to exercise their buy-back clause. At the same time, Chelsea could launch also bid to buy him for a lower fee than the buy-back figure and we could potentially be prepared to receive that on the basis that we would receive the full amount of any fee that Chelsea would pay. Hopefully though we can dig our heels in on that and insist on a fee much closer to the buy-back amount.

[DT]

30 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

Biggest victim this summer will be Fareham James when JWP goes. 😞

He's definitely staying though

[egg]

28 minutes ago, SaintJackoInHurworth said:

Sorry to get technical, but £5m would be a £7m loss not a profit considering we paid £12m to buy him. What I think you mean is that it would be a cash flow into the coffers of £5m due to liquidating one of our assets.

Sorry to get technical, but amortisation.

[sandwichsaint]

14 hours ago, saintant said:

Looks a unit with plenty of skill. Great movement gets him into position to score goals with feet and head. Could be just what we need.

Pound shop Haaland, perfect!

[AlexLaw76]

32 minutes ago, SaintJackoInHurworth said:

Sorry to get technical, but £5m would be a £7m loss not a profit considering we paid £12m to buy him. What I think you mean is that it would be a cash flow into the coffers of £5m due to liquidating one of our assets.

I think a lot of clubs would be keen to sign KWP and start him. Newcastle are rumoured to have renewed their interest in him having realised that Saints are not going to reduce the amount we want for Tino.

I can't see us necessarily being more open to cashing in on Tino bearing in mind that if we sell to anyone other than Chelsea we will have to pay a Chelsea a large dollop of whatever fee we receive. Having said that there are rumours that Chelsea are now interested in signing him and in that case we may have no option but to sell as Chelsea would be able to exercise their buy-back clause. At the same time, Chelsea could launch also bid to buy him for a lower fee than the buy-back figure and we could potentially be prepared to receive that on the basis that we would receive the full amount of any fee that Chelsea would pay. Hopefully though we can dig our heels in on that and insist on a fee much closer to the buy-back amount.

It won't be a loss at all...on the books, Salisu will be worth around £2.75m

So no, not a loss

[goodymatt]

 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 minute ago, goodymatt said:

 

Right. So we should just give them away then? 15m if that was the price quoted to Burnley is nothing. The Coventry lad is rumored to be going to Sporting for £20m, and he had a similar season to Tella. 

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

6 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

 

Good! Pay what we want for the ones we'd ideally like to keep or jog on?

[Master Bates]

16 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

 

He could hand in a transfer request?...

[FarehamSaintJames]

2 hours ago, beatlesaint said:

Biggest victim this summer will be Fareham James when JWP goes. 😞

That tickled me! 😂 I won’t lose sleep? I just don’t see him going.

1 hour ago, DT said:

He's definitely staying though

You seem to think so? Controversial. Might rename you Andrew.

I just don’t see it.

 

Ultimately, JWP isn’t worth the money that some people are suggesting. He isn’t worth more than £20-25m, and that’s only because of his contract and his current Mr Southampton tag.

If he was of any other nationality he’d have been sold off for maybe £10m by now.

[Chez]

46 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

If he was of any other nationality he’d have been sold off for maybe £10m by now.

£10m seems a good price for a central midfielder that has scored 19 goals in 74 Premier League games over the last two seasons.

[Chez]

1 hour ago, Master Bates said:

He could hand in a transfer request?...

What difference does that make other than ensure he doesn't get a loyalty payout from Saints when he is sold (which may or may not be in his contract anyway)

[Chez]

3 hours ago, goodymatt said:

Leeds signed Rodrigo for £27m, club record fee at the time. Due to his relegation clause he is off to a Qatari side for just £3m. That’s a massive £24m hit. We lost less letting Carillo walk for nothing! Other clauses have players of good value leaving on loans too, surely we are better placed than Leeds this season?

Ouch. Add that to being forced to pay £24.5m to Augustin for a breach of contract and you have a sizeable hole in your accounts. No wonder they haven't spent anything yet to reshape their squad.

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, Chez said:

Ouch. Add that to being forced to pay £24.5m to Augustin for a breach of contract and you have a sizeable hole in your accounts. No wonder they haven't spent anything yet to reshape their squad.

Yep that's dire. You'd have to say that financially we are in the best shape of anyone in the championship, particularly if we sell ABK, Lavia, Tella etc. 

[beatlesaint]

2 hours ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Right. So we should just give them away then? 15m if that was the price quoted to Burnley is nothing. The Coventry lad is rumored to be going to Sporting for £20m, and he had a similar season to Tella. 

It’s absolute bollocks this “over valuing their players” stuff. If the club don’t want to sell a particular player and, more importantly don’t need to cos unlike last time the club aren’t scrabbling around for money, then meet the valuation (or very close to it at worst case) or fuck off. It’s really not difficult to understand is it?

[Osvaldorama]

I think £6.5mil for Salisu would be a great deal for us. 
 

He has been utter toilet for ages. He is living off the memory of about 5 good games when he first signed. All he does is give it away and make rash challenges. 
 

Combined with his shit attitude & last year of his deal I think we are laughing at that price. 

[DT]

McCarthy in ‘still fucking useless’ shock

[Whitey Grandad]

33 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

It’s absolute bollocks this “over valuing their players” stuff. If the club don’t want to sell a particular player and, more importantly don’t need to cos unlike last time the club aren’t scrabbling around for money, then meet the valuation (or very close to it at worst case) or fuck off. It’s really not difficult to understand is it?

We value a player at what his value is to us. Not what some other club wants to pay.

[david in sweden]

1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said:

We value a player at what his value is to us. Not what some other club wants to pay.

Well said " Whitey" .     If Wham (or anyone else) think they can get JWP for a cheap fee, they don't understand why we are demanding so much.

Whilst they happily squander huge sums on foreign imports who don't fit the bill and become a liability for them, JWP has been a Prem. player

for over 10 years, with 350 + apps. ... far too few England caps for his ability and might have scored penalties for England whilst others missed.

 His stock will go up if he moves to a bigger Prem. side, and he might even get back into Southgate's squad - after he passes Beckham's record.

 

Our position is clear and surely everyone knows we wouldn't find a replacement for him for a measly 20 million. 

Edited 12 July, 2023 by david in sweden

[HarvSFC]

Burnley sold Dwight McNeil for £20m after their relegation and he's crap, so it's over to them now. Doubt we're valuing Tella much higher than £20m.

[Chez]

49 minutes ago, HarvSFC said:

Burnley sold Dwight McNeil for £20m after their relegation and he's crap, so it's over to them now. Doubt we're valuing Tella much higher than £20m.

If they can find £19m for a keeper that has only played in League 1, they can find £20m for Tella. However, maybe we want £30m or £40m for Tella - which perhaps is us overvaluing our player. We don't really know.

The long and short of it is, we can set the price whatever we like. We may not sell at that price, but if we are comfortable at not selling, then that's our prerogative.

Edited 12 July, 2023 by Chez

[Master Bates]

Shea Charles has soft hands apparently 

[Whitey Grandad]

15 minutes ago, Master Bates said:

Shea Charles has soft hands apparently 

Great!

Stick him in goal.

[CSA96]

 

[SaintNewForest]

Is he going to cook? Or is it an insane signing? 

[FarehamSaintJames]

Just a striker, a couple of wingers, maybe some CM cover, a GK and a couple more defenders and that’s a good window. 👀😂

[St. Neil]

10/10 window.

[egg]

4 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

We value a player at what his value is to us. Not what some other club wants to pay.

Sort of...if we want (or need) to sell, then just our price doesn't get us anywhere. 

[Jeremy Corbyn]

2 hours ago, Chez said:

If they can find £19m for a keeper that has only played in League 1, they can find £20m for Tella. However, maybe we want £30m or £40m for Tella - which perhaps is us overvaluing our player. We don't really know.

The long and short of it is, we can set the price whatever we like. We may not sell at that price, but if we are comfortable at not selling, then that's our prerogative.

McNeil had proven himself in the premier league more than Tella has.  Reality is for a 24 year old player who's had one great season in the championship, £20 million would be overpriced by 3/4 million.

[Lallana's Left Peg]

24 minutes ago, Jeremy Corbyn said:

McNeil had proven himself in the premier league more than Tella has.  Reality is for a 24 year old player who's had one great season in the championship, £20 million would be overpriced by 3/4 million.

 

James Maddison went for £25m.  Ollie Watkins went for £34m.  Joao Pedro just went for £30m and he's done fuck all at Watford for three years.  Said Benrahma went for £24m.  Oli McBurnie went for £20m!

You can debate how good Tella is, but he was the top goalscorer in the leagues best team last season and also got into the Team of the Season.  Given the above, we're not being silly asking for £20m for him.  The precedent has set, we're not moving the market by asking for £20m.

[Wade Garrett]

If Burnley don’t want to pay the asking price, then they can fuck off.

It’s not rocket science.

[LeBizzier69]

2 hours ago, Jeremy Corbyn said:

McNeil had proven himself in the premier league more than Tella has.  Reality is for a 24 year old player who's had one great season in the championship, £20 million would be overpriced by 3/4 million.

I agree, £19.25m seems more accurate.

[revolution saint]

What would be nice if these articles had a bit of a change in tone.  So instead of us being over valuing or being unrealistic, we get articles calling Burnley a bit cheap, without a pot to piss in, or skint.