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55 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said:

Another City keeper signed although for u21s McNamara  let’s hope 3rd time lucky

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So much patience in #ManCity second goal - keeper Josh McNamara had the ball at his feet for ages before eventually starting the move that 5-6 passes later resulted in Josh Adam side footing to make it City 2-0 #wolves PL2

But can he use his fucking hands to keep it out of our net when needed ?

Perhaps like Larios he's another  5'2" , but he's played for City so he'll be fine ...

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3 hours ago, Smirking_Saint said:

Because they’re fucking idiots

Most of our fans would have him here in a heartbeat. What Leicester will pay him is nothing other than speculation - some people think everything they read on twitter is fact. 

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Smirking_Saint

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2 hours ago, Chez said:

What's he like? Is he more of a defensive midfielder and someone that gets about the pitch?

I've never really felt JWP to West Ham was a possibility, but could they sign two players in central midfield? They struggled in there last season. Soucek wasn't good.  

More of the 6/8 mould but more defensively minded, almost certainly would be an instead of JWP IMO unless they’re looking to ditch Soucek too

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HarvSFC

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Noticed with Abu and now the Man City goalkeeper that the official club pages and announcement articles hasn't mentioned "Saints B team", but refers to them again as Southampton Under-21s. Might be a switch back now that Semmens and Crocker are no longer here.

On the squad profiles it's still the B team, but may just be needing an update.

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43 minutes ago, CSA96 said:

‘Southampton are desperate to sign Flynn Downes, who has made little impact since joining West Ham last summer.’

- Jacob Steinberg, West Ham correspondent for The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jul/06/david-moyes-loses-second-west-ham-coach-paul-nevin-strasbourg-patrick-vieira

A brilliant player at this level! If he can be used as part of the JWP deal, I'm all for it. 

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44 minutes ago, CSA96 said:

‘Southampton are desperate to sign Flynn Downes, who has made little impact since joining West Ham last summer.’

- Jacob Steinberg, West Ham correspondent for The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jul/06/david-moyes-loses-second-west-ham-coach-paul-nevin-strasbourg-patrick-vieira

"Moyes wants to replace Rice with at least two midfielders and preliminary talks have been held over a deal for Zakaria."

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14 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said:

Flynn Downes would be a incredible signing. Top replacement for Lavia.
He is so calm and composed, Really really excellent in tight spaces at receiving the ball and dictating.

I have had a gin or three. It's been a long week.

The last sentence of your post has given me the 'ooohh matron' giggles.

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11 hours ago, CSA96 said:

L’Equipe reporting that Monaco are now in contact with Saints about Armel Bella-Kotchap

isn't L'Equipe and pretty reliable source? Unlike some of the rumours discussed on here, I'm inclined to trust this story and now consider ABK a Monaco player all bar the shouting.  

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39 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said:

Flynn Downes would be a incredible signing. Top replacement for Lavia.
He is so calm and composed, Really really excellent in tight spaces at receiving the ball and dictating.

So why do West Ham want to get rid of him?

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Chez

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19 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Am I the only one that has never heard of Flynn Downes and isn't that impressed by his record?

we discussed him on here at the start of last summer, but West Ham snapped him up quite quickly. He looked a very good player in the videos I watched. Very calm and composed, willing to take the ball in tight spaces and with the touch and ability to get out of them. He looked very smooth and the game looked easy at Championship level. The Prem is obviously a different level and Moyes preferred Soucek. A lot of West Ham fans felt he should have been dropped and Downes given more game time. Towards the end of the season he did start to get games and did OK by all accounts. He's no Lavia, but may be a step up on Diallo.

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46 minutes ago, Chez said:

we discussed him on here at the start of last summer, but West Ham snapped him up quite quickly. He looked a very good player in the videos I watched. Very calm and composed, willing to take the ball in tight spaces and with the touch and ability to get out of them. He looked very smooth and the game looked easy at Championship level. The Prem is obviously a different level and Moyes preferred Soucek. A lot of West Ham fans felt he should have been dropped and Downes given more game time. Towards the end of the season he did start to get games and did OK by all accounts. He's no Lavia, but may be a step up on Diallo.

You answered your own question. 
 

Moyes loves bullies in the middle of the park, not skilled players. 

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59 minutes ago, John B said:

So why do West Ham want to get rid of him?

Probably because he's not as good as Rice and with the Rice money they want better. Doesn't mean he's not more than good enough for the championship though and potentially the prem. If West Ham really wanted to keep him then we'd have no chance clearly. 

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6 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Probably because he's not as good as Rice and with the Rice money they want better. Doesn't mean he's not more than good enough for the championship though and potentially the prem. If West Ham really wanted to keep him then we'd have no chance clearly. 

He also doesn't really fit their style particularly.

Under Martin he had something ridiculous like the 2nd best pass completion % in the whole of Europe, so for a ball oriented style seems well suited and young enough to develop further.

He is a big West Ham fan so would be a big step for him to leave after just a year but hopefully he values regular minutes under a Manager he knows gets the best from him.

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Just now, Dusic said:

He also doesn't really fit their style particularly.

Under Martin he had something ridiculous like the 2nd best pass completion % in the whole of Europe, so for a ball oriented style seems well suited and young enough to develop further.

He is a big West Ham fan so would be a big step for him to leave after just a year but hopefully he values regular minutes under a Manager he knows gets the best from him.

He’s spoken very highly of Martin before: https://www.swanseacity.com/news/flynn-downes-i-faced-russell-martin-side-and-knew-i-wanted-play-him

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10 minutes ago, Dusic said:

He also doesn't really fit their style particularly.

Under Martin he had something ridiculous like the 2nd best pass completion % in the whole of Europe, so for a ball oriented style seems well suited and young enough to develop further.

He is a big West Ham fan so would be a big step for him to leave after just a year but hopefully he values regular minutes under a Manager he knows gets the best from him.

The fact we are apparently desperate to sign him probably means we have at least spoken to him and received some positive feedback. 

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1 minute ago, SambaMaverick said:

Our relationship with Man City is dodgy, weird and worrying. It's not something I "signed up for" as a football fan tbh.

Just had the same thought. Doesn’t seem normal that we appear to be buying up the Man City youth team output. Also linked to multiple other academy “stars”.

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Saint Matty 76

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It was always going to carry on when we signed their academy director to be our DOF.

Shea was captain of the same U23 team Lavia was in, he was also given PL minutes by Pep this season which is not overly common.

6’2 as well and 8 international caps for NI. 

If I had to guess, our starting midfield will be Charles and Downes.

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Dusic

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1 minute ago, SaintsFan86 said:

I hope so, We definitely needed another DM even before we lost Lavia. So 2 should be correct.

Yes, we already 'lost' AMN and its certain two out of JWP, Lavia and Diallo will go plus not impossible all 3 do.

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Just now, Dusic said:

Yes, we already 'lost' AMN and its certain two out of JWP, Lavia and Diallo will go plus not impossible all 3 do.

Yeah, we've gained one in Smallbone though, But I do think we need 2 DMs and probably another 8 type midfielder.

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2 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said:

I hope so, We definitely needed another DM even before we lost Lavia. So 2 should be correct.

If we sell Lavia and Diallo, while bringing in Charles and Downes (and pocketing about 30m in the process) then I'm all for that. Less so if they're our replacements for Lavia and JWP

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39 minutes ago, SambaMaverick said:

Our relationship with Man City is dodgy, weird and worrying. It's not something I "signed up for" as a football fan tbh.

Completely agree, very dodgy links , not a fan of it

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3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

You can question the wisdom of signing the players but what's dodgy about it? It's natural we'd go for a load of city players considering who we have working for us. 

The fees involved and the sheer volume of signings is off, imo

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48 minutes ago, SambaMaverick said:

Our relationship with Man City is dodgy, weird and worrying. It's not something I "signed up for" as a football fan tbh.

Don't see it this way myself. They have the best academy, lots of players who are clearly very good but have no real pathway to regular football at City.

We have the ex City Academy Manager as our DoF, a manager who plays a style these players are trained in and a stated aim of giving players like those mentioned an opportunity to play first team football because we can't afford to sign players of that quality once they are proven.

This summer we are dealing with interest from at least Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea in Lavia who we will make a significant profit on having come from the same route.

I get why some people might clamour for more experience, although our recent more experienced signings (Orsic, Onuachu, DCC, Aribo etc) have been much worse than the young players, but not sure what makes it "dodgy, weird and worrying"?

Its supply and demand and using a market we have strong knowledge of.

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SambaMaverick

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Just now, Dusic said:

Don't see it this way myself. They have the best academy, lots of players who are clearly very good but have no real pathway to regular football at City.

We have the ex City Academy Manager as our DoF, a manager who plays a style these players are trained in and a stated aim of giving players like those mentioned an opportunity to play first team football because we can't afford to sign players of that quality once they are proven.

This summer we are dealing with interest from at least Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea in Lavia who we will make a significant profit on having come from the same route.

I get why some people might clamour for more experience, although our recent more experienced signings (Orsic, Onuachu, DCC, Aribo etc) have been much worse than the young players, but not sure what makes it "dodgy, weird and worrying"?

Its supply and demand and using a market we have strong knowledge of.

We'd be lucky to break even on the four City signings by selling Lavia this summer, and he's clearly a potentially world-class player. That isn't going to happen every window.

The other three are Bazunu, Larios and Edozie - how have they been "much better" than some of our other signings?

I just don't want us to effectively become a feeder club for City. It doesn't tickle my pickle. If Wilcox and our network is so good, why can't he take the model of signing untried youngsters and apply it nationwide/Europe-wide?

There is something strange going on (not to go all MLT on you all).

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Saint Matty 76

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6 minutes ago, SambaMaverick said:

The fees involved and the sheer volume of signings is off, imo

Personally I think the “fees involved” part is null and void when we’re about to make profit on the 5 we’ve bought by selling just one this Summer after about 20 games.

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SambaMaverick

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Just now, Saint Matty 76 said:

Personally I think the “fees involved” part is null and void when we’re about to make profit on the 5 we’ve bought by selling just one this Summer after about 20 games.

The four we signed last season cost £35m all in. We could get that back for Lavia - but he's gonna go on to be world class. How many more of those have they got in their ranks?

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