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3 hours ago, Saint86 said:

Yeah exactly, whenever you read stuff like that you flat out know its nonsense 😄. Club captain walks into local supermarket, starts declaring to random customers that he's leaving the club... but won't let them know where... just a sly wink wink nudge nudge and a "tata for now". All the while he and his agent keep quiet in the media and he leads the club's preseason media campaign 🙄😄.

And playing devils advocate on that whole theoretical interchange, it would be more likely that he'd say that if he was staying... for the simple reason that if he was off, he wouldn't say anything 🧐.

Reasonable points but all irrelevant: we have a fan in Fareham who just feels it in his bones that he’s staying. That’s all the validation I need.

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2 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

I cannot believe there's anyone happy about the idea of Bazunu being our keeper next season. 

I don’t understand people saying they think he will be fine in the championship but wasn’t good enough for the PL. I don’t know what his level is but it isn’t part of in team that wants to challenge for promotion back to the PL. 

 

 

 

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22 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

To be fair, I don't think you can really have a go at any fan writing off almost any player in our squad given the shit show that was last year. Hopefully a few of the lesser performing ones will give us a nice surprise. Personally I'm hoping that Adam Armstrong can find some form and also that Edozie will be decent in the championship. 

Personally, I'm hoping all the players we keep can find some form, especially Edozie, Sulemana & Alcaraz but as for AA, he's a proven lightweight and I'd prefer us to find a striker or two from League 1/2 or from Europe's leagues and build them up. AA's been given enough chances.  

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13 minutes ago, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said:

Personally, I'm hoping all the players we keep can find some form, especially Edozie, Sulemana & Alcaraz but as for AA, he's a proven lightweight and I'd prefer us to find a striker or two from League 1/2 or from Europe's leagues and build them up. AA's been given enough chances.  

Not in the championship he hasn't. 

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I think Brighton are the ones to watch with Livramento.

They wanted him before, are keen now and unlike Chelsea and Newcastle he would be a starter. Last season they had no first choice RB, Lamptey is on his way out and Veltman is a versatile player who can play elsewhere.

Seeing as they will have Europe he would get plenty of games, fits their profile and they aren't short of cash either.

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46 minutes ago, Dusic said:

I think Brighton are the ones to watch with Livramento.

They wanted him before, are keen now and unlike Chelsea and Newcastle he would be a starter. Last season they had no first choice RB, Lamptey is on his way out and Veltman is a versatile player who can play elsewhere.

Seeing as they will have Europe he would get plenty of games, fits their profile and they aren't short of cash either.

Brighton are not paying the reported requested £50m for Livramento.

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1 hour ago, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said:

I'd prefer us to find a striker or two from League 1/2 or from Europe's leagues and build them up.

....there's a striker whose name escapes me that scored 29 goals in 43 games in his last season in the Championship.

Maybe we could build him up?

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6 hours ago, Saint86 said:

Yeah exactly, whenever you read stuff like that you flat out know its nonsense 😄. Club captain walks into local supermarket, starts declaring to random customers that he's leaving the club... but won't let them know where... just a sly wink wink nudge nudge and a "tata for now". All the while he and his agent keep quiet in the media and he leads the club's preseason media campaign 🙄😄.

And playing devils advocate on that whole theoretical interchange, it would be more likely that he'd say that if he was staying... for the simple reason that if he was off, he wouldn't say anything

I don’t know what world you live in - probably a bit of a strange one. There was no nudge nudge wink wink. Just some guy being a bit cheeky and asking JWP the question where is he going - more as banter than anything else.  And he answered he didn’t know yet - which could also be taken as the most nothing answer he could give without being rude or giving anything away. Very JWP. The guy wished him well and he said thank you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

Caretaker job in pre-season? Surely a publicity stunt just to say they were the first men's side managed by a woman, otherwise they'd have given her the job full time.

Yes, agree. No club needs a "caretaker" for a pre season game at Melksham Town. 

 

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8 hours ago, Chez said:

Brighton are not paying the reported requested £50m for Livramento.

Nobody will pay that, its not a realistic fee. But they could still pay a substantial fee for him. Its highly likely they would still be able to make a profit in a couple of years even if they spent £30m on him.

They have already dropped £30m on Joao Pedro and want Kudus from Ajax who is valued at £40m or so and their most connected reporter has said a couple of times they are very much interested in Livramento, so would imagine they know the likely costs involved.

Just saying...one to watch until they sign another RB, especially if Tino's main thing is about playing time.

 

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29 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Nobody will pay that, its not a realistic fee. But they could still pay a substantial fee for him. Its highly likely they would still be able to make a profit in a couple of years even if they spent £30m on him.

They have already dropped £30m on Joao Pedro and want Kudus from Ajax who is valued at £40m or so and their most connected reporter has said a couple of times they are very much interested in Livramento, so would imagine they know the likely costs involved.

Just saying...one to watch until they sign another RB, especially if Tino's main thing is about playing time.

 

£30m seems much more realistic. Going by The Athletic article, Saints get £18m on a £30m sale.

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7 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

Caretaker job in pre-season? Surely a publicity stunt just to say they were the first men's side managed by a woman, otherwise they'd have given her the job full time.

Dale Vince is a big attention seeker so there’s no surprise in this. 

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8 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

Liverpool doing their usual thing of trying to force the price down. They have signed plenty of players from relegated teams to force value in the past: Robertson, Shaqiri and Wijnaldum are just some examples.

At what point do think we'll drop our pants and sell him for 40 million? I reckon it'll be a week or 2 before the window closes. 

He's not playing in the championship and he's not going for £50m, like JWP and Tino wont either. 

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5 minutes ago, kenneth_kenobi said:

Are we buying ANYONE??   No rumours anywhere?

I suspect we're pretending we're not until the big players are shifted out for max dosh. We know clubs want Lavia because he is mustard, JWP slightly less so. Both will go, late on. Then we'll be in for Downes and Piroe, would be my guess. All brinkmanship until then. 

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4 minutes ago, DT said:

I suspect we're pretending we're not until the big players are shifted out for max dosh. We know clubs want Lavia because he is mustard, JWP slightly less so. Both will go, late on. Then we'll be in for Downes and Piroe, would be my guess. All brinkmanship until then. 

That's if they are still available by then of course, leave it too late and no-one is available.  Makes it hard to prepare for our first game (10 days!!) and the season, that's for sure.  Leicester buying plenty, inc Ings if you believe the rumours.

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20 minutes ago, Dman said:

At what point do think we'll drop our pants and sell him for 40 million? I reckon it'll be a week or 2 before the window closes. 

He's not playing in the championship and he's not going for £50m, like JWP and Tino wont either. 

He’s not going to be on high wages and this kid can only get better. 4 years left on his contract. Out of all potential sales this is the one we should hold firm on price for. He’s worth his valuation IMO. Pay up or miss out, someone will bite.

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I absolutely think JWP will be going - he wants to play PL football, can't blame him. According to Blackmore with the old board he was told he could leave if so called big clubs come in for him and is prepared to pay our valuation. If the rumours of Fulham etc are true and the figure is circa £25m. Do we still cash in or as club do they decide to say it doesn't matter what the old board said, you've X amount of years on your contract, we're keeping you. Or do you think it all depends on who else we've managed to shift? I think as a PR story - *if* somehow JWP is playing for Southampton next season then it'll filter that positivity throughout the club and fanbase that he has 'bought into the new manager and long term strategy' (We'd obviously all know that it's because nobody came in for him but we'll gloss over that)

 

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38 minutes ago, Dman said:

At what point do think we'll drop our pants and sell him for 40 million? I reckon it'll be a week or 2 before the window closes. 

He's not playing in the championship and he's not going for £50m, like JWP and Tino wont either. 

Good question. Absolutely no harm in us setting `high' prices for players. Much better seeing we want £50m and sell for £40m than reading we want £40m and then end up with £30m. In the end the market price will be what someone is willing to pay. When sales happen will depend on when bids and negotiations start. Who knows what stage these are currently at.  

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5 minutes ago, SaintLondon said:

I absolutely think JWP will be going - he wants to play PL football, can't blame him. According to Blackmore with the old board he was told he could leave if so called big clubs come in for him and is prepared to pay our valuation. If the rumours of Fulham etc are true and the figure is circa £25m. Do we still cash in or as club do they decide to say it doesn't matter what the old board said, you've X amount of years on your contract, we're keeping you. Or do you think it all depends on who else we've managed to shift? I think as a PR story - *if* somehow JWP is playing for Southampton next season then it'll filter that positivity throughout the club and fanbase that he has 'bought into the new manager and long term strategy' (We'd obviously all know that it's because nobody came in for him but we'll gloss over that)

£25m feels a long way short of the £50m figure the club have indicated (as reported in the papers). I think we all know that we probably won't get that amount, but it's hard to say what are lowest figure might be.

At the moment the club seems to be giving off the vibes that players simply won't be sold for less than our valuations. Sticking to those guns relies heavily on the owner being able to cover the £130m spending from last year with little in the way of money coming back in. Some on here think the owner can and will do that. I am not so sure. I think we are bluffing and we do need to recoup funds this summer. I have to say though that I am happy at how the cub are playing things so far. Things can change quickly though.

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1 minute ago, Chez said:

£25m feels a long way short of the £50m figure the club have indicated (as reported in the papers). I think we all know that we probably won't get that amount, but it's hard to say what are lowest figure might be.

At the moment the club seems to be giving off the vibes that players simply won't be sold for less than our valuations. Sticking to those guns relies heavily on the owner being able to cover the £130m spending from last year with little in the way of money coming back in. Some on here think the owner can and will do that. I am not so sure. I think we are bluffing and we do need to recoup funds this summer. I have to say though that I am happy at how the cub are playing things so far. Things can change quickly though.

I agree with you, I think the club has to sell to buy but the mistake we've made in the past is letting every man, woman and child know that. Saying this is what it is (price wise) will work if we let on there is some room for negotiation, it doesn't work if we're completely steadfast in our approach and buying clubs move on to other targets. That being said, if it means we ended up on Sept 2nd with a few extra players in the JWP / KWP camp then perhaps it works out. "Sorry lads, we were keen to sell but the money wasn't right, get your heads down and we can relook at this in Jan"

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I think it is extremely likely JWP will leave, however only with the prospect of European football. I remember him saying that was his favourite memory playing for the club or something like that. I can't see him going to a lower table team, where he risks not fitting in to the system or is not used to his potential. I think he will also be considering the high likelihood that we will go straight back up. He is already a fan favourite, but by captaining the team up to the prem he will ensure club legend status indefinitely. What is the point of him leaving to end up at a club which may be of a similar position to us this time next season? I reckon he will go if a big club like West Ham comes knocking, purely for European football. Fulham? I'm not so sure.

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42 minutes ago, kenneth_kenobi said:

Are we buying ANYONE??   No rumours anywhere?

We have brought in Abu today. Not sure he will challenge for a first team spot, but it's a signing.  Cabellero signed a new one year deal. Dom Ballard signed a new two year deal.

Lots of rumours. Not sure if any are genuine:

Flynn Downes has been heavily linked to us this week - although very little foundation to it.
Swansea players Manning (out of contract), Wood, Capango, Fultan, Grimes and Piroe all touted as possibles/linked.  
Grady Dianga (WBA striker) linked today
Shea Charles (Man City DM) linked yesterday
Hamza Choudhury (Leicester CM)
Dragowski (GK)
Josh Windass (Sheff Wed F)


 

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4 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

So 19 is too old now? Blimey. 

Not saying that, just given our recent history of taking players that age and throwing them into the Prem it would be strange if we sign them a league below and say "well, maybe they'll be ready in a few years". 

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9 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Not saying that, just given our recent history of taking players that age and throwing them into the Prem it would be strange if we sign them a league below and say "well, maybe they'll be ready in a few years". 

People develop at different ages. We’ve given some young players opportunities but the 19 year olds and younger we’ve really thrown into PL have been exceptional talents.  I don’t think we were ever really relying on Larios, Edozie or Mara for example. Tino, Lavia and Bazunu. The rest have rightly been dropped in and out, I see no reason why this kid won’t be the same. Tella and Smallbone are 24 and 23. Signing 19 years for a couple of years time doesn’t seem strange to me at all.

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1 minute ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Possibly heading to Turkey on loan?

This is going to become one of those tiresome things people say and assume will happen but rarely actually does. Not sure what a loan deal to Goztepe really does for any young players development if they have desires to be included in PL football. There’ll be better options out there. Very rare that dealings happen that way around I would suggest. 

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1 minute ago, Fabrice29 said:

This is going to become one of those tiresome things people say and assume will happen but rarely actually does. Not sure what a loan deal to Goztepe really does for any young players development if they have desires to be included in PL football. There’ll be better options out there. Very rare that dealings happen that way around I would suggest. 

Happens pretty often between City and their clubs, not saying we are in the same bracket as that, but if we aspire to be like them, its possible that Rasmus and co think its something they want to develop. 

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Not really sure why everyone is panicking, very few actual transfers have happened so far.. it’s generally just out of contract players moving around and of course Leicester attempting to balance their books

 

As for whether we ‘need’ to balance ours, sound’s coming out of Staplewood recently and towards the end of last season is that we are in no desperate need to balance any books this year and will be reassessed at the end of the season.. prioritising promotion this year but values have been put on players and their is an understanding we will lose some

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