Summer Transfer Window 2023

[SNMPT]

On 27/06/2023 at 04:02, Baird of the land said:

And i suppose Adam Armstrong is guaranteed to get 29 goals again because he did it at blackburn so we don't need to buy a striker

Selling our 2 actual quality right backs to rely on someone who looked competent in a luton team that played a very different style seems nuts to me. 

Bree is a better player than KWP - more physical at both ends, runs well, and gets stuck in.  KWP doesn't defend and just fannies about going forward.

[HarvSFC]

5 minutes ago, SNMPT said:

Bree is a better player than KWP - more physical at both ends, runs well, and gets stuck in.  KWP doesn't defend and just fannies about going forward.

That's a horrendous take.

[SNMPT]

5 hours ago, benjii said:

But he was here for the summer transfer window where we fucked up the two crucial GK and striker positions, right?

Least of Saints problems were strikers and keepers - if, Bazunu were only playing when the competent McCarthy was injured, and there is no striker problem when you have a team that is so predictable and leaden that it can't create clear chances for strikers.

[Osvaldorama]

6 minutes ago, SNMPT said:

Bree is a better player than KWP - more physical at both ends, runs well, and gets stuck in.  KWP doesn't defend and just fannies about going forward.

Genuinely one of the worst posts I’ve ever seen on the internet. You must be on a different planet 

[SNMPT]

1 minute ago, HarvSFC said:

That's a horrendous take.

Whatever.  KWP is shite and I'll be glad to see the back of him - if, and it's a big if, anyone comes in for him.

[pimpin4rizeal]

28 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Twitter people getting very excited at some non-commital statements from Alcaraz on social media. 

In all seriousness though, if we somehow manage to keep Alcaraz, Tino and Tella we are going to have some seriously good players in the championship. 

Add sulemana to that list .. these are the must keeps imo 

id be over the moon with a strike force of 

tella               Mara    Sulemana. 
             
                   Alcaraz 

this is championship porn attack and zero point in not keeping it. make the sales from others but these stay 

[pimpin4rizeal]

29 minutes ago, SNMPT said:

Bree is a better player than KWP - more physical at both ends, runs well, and gets stuck in.  KWP doesn't defend and just fannies about going forward.

There is a bit of truth in the last part..I agree he does fanny about too much 

he’s a decent enough full back but with how we play him and the amount of the ball he gets creativity wise he’s been very poor last season.. I think a lot of that is due to all the twisting and turning and hanging on to the ball too long .. no one has a clue when or if he’s gonna release the ball or where it’s going ., he’s a bit like the full back version of fabrice Fernandes or asprilla..  can only put it down to this why his assists are so low when he has so much of the ball his teammates just can’t read him 

[Saint86]

10 hours ago, Dman said:

Not at all. Leicester are building a good squad nice and early and giving the manager weeks to prepare for the season. 

We've spent 2 months squabbling over 500k & pissed a club off to the point where i'll be amazed if they deal with us (and we reportedly want their players), have no idea who's leaving so we can't really bring anyone in as we already have a massively bloated squad. Despite having 3 - 4 weeks longer than Leicester did.

Everything we've done over the past year - 18 months has turned to shit and it feels like this window is no different. 

They've lost circa 150M euros worth of players for a third of their value (see below) and replaced them with two average players. According to the BBC (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65622943), their wage bill was £180M last season - which was the highest outside the top 6 and compared to an income of £214M. They narrowly avoided FFP sanctions as of september 2022, and their income is expected to drop from £214M to £70M in the championship (again from the BBC).

The article also states that they've also got an outstanding loan for advanced payments on player amortisation and tv revenue - which is secured against future TV money. Now they've been relegated they could well end up having to use the parachute payments to cover this. They are not in a great place.

 

 

Edited 3 July, 2023 by Saint86

[Saint86]

9 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

I think if Sulemana leaves I'll be pissed off. I don't feel he received enough of a chance last year and was criminally mismanaged. He could be superb eventually in the prem let alone the championship. 

Martin's swansea were 24th in the league for dribbles... It will be quite a step change for him to utilise the likes of Edozie and Sulemana.

[Saint86]

8 hours ago, Smirking_Saint said:

You still havn’t managed to make any semblance of a point tbh

Leicester have lost 1 starting AM, 2 CBs and a couple of squad players with arguably a market value of 100m+ for 40m and have replaced them with… checks notes… Harry Winks and Conor Coady… they’re also widely reported to be absolutely skint… man I wish we were Leicester

Edit - Their squad depth is also absolutely woeful and includes players either ageing or injury prone (or both) and their better players only have a year left on their contracts… they’re genuinely an absolute mess and absolutely HAD to make quick early signings that aren’t necessarily going to be the best available 

Exactly this. And anyone can see a breakdown of this in black and white with a 5min google. 

[stevy777_x]

3 hours ago, SNMPT said:

Bree is a better player than KWP - more physical at both ends, runs well, and gets stuck in.  KWP doesn't defend and just fannies about going forward.

Bree can t even stop his crosses from going out of play.

God help us if you were in charge of recruitment. Luckily for us, you are not.

[Middlewordie]

We need at a 20 goal a season player who, after all our nice passing, will put it in the net. Get Jonson Clarke-Harris. He is a late bloomer (and would prob like a realistic chance of premiership footy before he retires), but has been knocking in lots of goals for a few years now. He looks like he might enjoy adding some bite to our game too. This, for some of the younger players, will be a useful example in the Championship.

Edited 4 July, 2023 by Middlewordie

[StrangelyBrown]

6 hours ago, SNMPT said:

Least of Saints problems were strikers and keepers - if, Bazunu were only playing when the competent McCarthy was injured, and there is no striker problem when you have a team that is so predictable and leaden that it can't create clear chances for strikers.

Nice attempt at trolling - not very subtle though. Cant believe you actually caught someone when you went fishing with KWP/Bree as bait!

I think you need to try a bit harder.

[hypochondriac]

6 hours ago, Saint86 said:

Martin's swansea were 24th in the league for dribbles... It will be quite a step change for him to utilise the likes of Edozie and Sulemana.

He mentioned changing the way he plays in response to some of the players. There was some suggestion that he had no wingers at Swansea and he also mentioned having dynamism in attack. 

[SherborneSaint]

3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

He mentioned changing the way he plays in response to some of the players. There was some suggestion that he had no wingers at Swansea and he also mentioned having dynamism in attack. 

I was thinking the same thing.

I am hoping that we might see some football that is pleasing on the eye. Ralphball was good at helping to level up against the bigger clubs, but it has been a while since the team were actually exciting to watch…

[Roo1976]

So basically no in comings or out goings to date.

[Chez]

29 minutes ago, Roo1976 said:

So basically no in comings or out goings to date.

Abu in, Orsic out.

[Galway saint]

40 minutes ago, Roo1976 said:

So basically no in comings or out goings to date.

Suspect we will end up with a flurry of outgoings towards the end of the window and a few incomings from Swansea and that will be it. There might also be a few loans of journeymen/kids no one has heard of. I don’t know why after the last 18 months anyone expects a positive window. I also fully expect bazunu to still be in goal when we kick off against the Owls

[skintsaint]

10 minutes ago, Galway saint said:

I also fully expect bazunu to still be in goal when we kick off against the Owls

Quite obviously will, he is no1 and SR won't be buying a replacement as much as people want one.

[Galway saint]

25 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Quite obviously will, he is no1 and SR won't be buying a replacement as much as people want one.

Fear you are right and if so shows they haven’t learnt the lessons of last year 

[Lighthouse]

1 minute ago, Galway saint said:

Fear you are right and if so shows they haven’t learnt the lessons of last year 

We're in the Championship, where Kelvin Davis was the best keeper of the year when we got promoted. Baz will be fine at this level, GK is not a priority position this summer.

[Give it to Ron]

1 hour ago, Roo1976 said:

So basically no in comings or out goings to date.

Out Walcott, Ely, Orisic there will be more when either clubs get desperate or we lower our asking price.

I am surprised no Manning though but guess Moussa and Larios will fill that side.

[disconnect]

Burnley have signed James Trafford, England Under 21 keeper for £15 million from City. Spent last season on loan in League One... More expensive than Bazunu but is he any better? 

[miserableoldgit]

2 hours ago, StrangelyBrown said:

Nice attempt at trolling - not very subtle though. Cant believe you actually caught someone when you went fishing with KWP/Bree as bait!

I think you need to try a bit harder.

Trying to work out what the letters SNMPT stand for. Any suggestions??🤔😆

Edited 4 July, 2023 by miserableoldgit

[Ex Lion Tamer]

 

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

 

good to hear. Lets hope he stays. 

[Galway saint]

14 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

We're in the Championship, where Kelvin Davis was the best keeper of the year when we got promoted. Baz will be fine at this level, GK is not a priority position this summer.

It should be too or near the top. Why do you think he will be fine ? I don’t get it when people say that. The goals in the championship are the same size, the shots as hard and he’s still small for a keeper with poor positional sense and command of his box. He’s  doesn’t make many saves. He’s a liability 

[Barsiem]

1 hour ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

 

Hopefully we keep him until Jan at least, and then if we're not close to the automatic promotion spots maybe then he'd want to go.  If he does well in those 6 months we'd get a better fee for him anyway so a bit of a no brainer for me

[AlexLaw76]

1 hour ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

 

The lad is great. Be very good if he stayed. 

[Ex Lion Tamer]

14 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

The lad is great. Be very good if he stayed. 

Seems like the agent is pushing for a move but at least the player has his head in the right place

[Lighthouse]

1 hour ago, Galway saint said:

It should be too or near the top. Why do you think he will be fine ? I don’t get it when people say that. The goals in the championship are the same size, the shots as hard and he’s still small for a keeper with poor positional sense and command of his box. He’s  doesn’t make many saves. He’s a liability 

The standard of football in the Championship is inarguably far worse, your argument could equally be used to say AA should score 25 PL goals a season. Baz was, according to Pompey fans, absolute mustard in League 1, I have every confidence he will be decent at this level.

[Wade Garrett]

1 hour ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

 

That’s the end of that then.  Looks like he’s put his agent in his place.

[Wade Garrett]

2 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

The standard of football in the Championship is inarguably far worse, your argument could equally be used to say AA should score 25 PL goals a season. Baz was, according to Pompey fans, absolute mustard in League 1, I have every confidence he will be decent at this level.

I really don’t share your confidence.  

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

7 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

That’s the end of that then.  Looks like he’s put his agent in his place.

More like he can blame it on the club when he is sold!

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

10 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

The standard of football in the Championship is inarguably far worse, your argument could equally be used to say AA should score 25 PL goals a season. Baz was, according to Pompey fans, absolute mustard in League 1, I have every confidence he will be decent at this level.

There were times last season when a traffic cone would have been a better option. I guess traffic cones would also do better in the champs though to be fair

[revolution saint]

2 minutes ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

There were times last season when a traffic cone would have been a better option. I guess traffic cones would also do better in the champs though to be fair

I like the work traffic cones do against the ball.

[qwertyell]

21 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Baz was, according to Pompey fans, absolute mustard in League 1

 

Maybe mustard has a different meaning among the developmentally bereft. 

 

[Nolan]

2 minutes ago, qwertyell said:

 

Maybe mustard has a different meaning among the developmentally bereft. 

 

 

I see your tactics, grab highlights from one game of 46 in the season...  

Maybe it was his 17 Clean sheets that made them give him the Player of the Season Accolade? Or only conceding 53 Goals in 46 games?

[Wurzel]

9 minutes ago, qwertyell said:

 

Maybe mustard has a different meaning among the developmentally bereft. 

 

Some great commentary there.

"And the home fans are booing their own side"
"Not just booing, they're going home"

Sureley not? #bestest

 

And back to Bazunu, he certainly wasn't short of experience of playing behind a defence that lets opposition players roam freely unmarked in their penalty area

[Lord Duckhunter]

36 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

That’s the end of that then.  Looks like he’s put his agent in his place.

Rubbish. He’s just distancing himself in case a move doesn’t materialise. All this “lost in translation “ is a load of old pony. His agent works for him, he wants out. 

[Monk]

15 minutes ago, qwertyell said:

 

Maybe mustard has a different meaning among the developmentally bereft. 

 

Na, I can vouch he was very decent in the majority. Occasional slip or error but you'd grant that for the style of play and especially his age at the time. 

His distribution was so much better at Pompey and they would usually play from him much quicker than we do. 

[Charlie Wayman]

11 hours ago, SNMPT said:

Whatever.  KWP is shite and I'll be glad to see the back of him - if, and it's a big if, anyone comes in for him.

Well mate, you are off to a lousy start by talking absolute bullocks. OK you could be a WUM but if you are serious then chances are you'll be on most people's ignore settings straight away.

Welcome to the forum!

[Charlie Wayman]

42 minutes ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

More like he can blame it on the club when he is sold!

I think he's genuine

[Saint_clark]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

The standard of football in the Championship is inarguably far worse, your argument could equally be used to say AA should score 25 PL goals a season. Baz was, according to Pompey fans, absolute mustard in League 1, I have every confidence he will be decent at this level.

Shot stopping is shot stopping at any level, he could barely save anything that was on target last season. 

[Saint_clark]

44 minutes ago, qwertyell said:

 

Maybe mustard has a different meaning among the developmentally bereft. 

 

I fucking hate mustard, it tastes like shit and makes me screw up my face in disgust. 

Maybe it's us that misunderstood what they meant.

[notnowcato]

2 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Shot stopping is shot stopping at any level, he could barely save anything that was on target last season. 

So shooting is shooting at any level too... 

[Saint_clark]

Just now, notnowcato said:

So shooting is shooting at any level too... 

Don't get your point. 

Bazunu isn't suddenly going to be able to save shots that he couldn't save last season just because we're in a league below. Sure he might be tested less often because of the standard of opposition, but we won't keep enough clean sheets with him in goal to mount a promotion challenge. 

If you're trying to make some point about how Armstrong and Adams should have been banging them in at Prem level because they did at Championship if we follow my logic, it's not in any way comparable. In the championship strikers faced a much worse standard of defender (and keeper). It was me that posted the infamous "Adams seemed to scuff most of his finishes" line when we signed him, for which I was ridiculed for ages. But go back and watch his highlights - most of his goals he had the time and space that he never got in the Prem, and the finishes he made would have been saved by a half decent keeper. 

Bazunu failed to stop shots in the Prem that were right next to him or on some occasions straight at him. He'll still face those kinds of shots in the championship. 

Put it this way - Bazunu will be conceding the type of goals that Adams was banging in in the championship which he never got the time or space to score in the Prem. 

[Chez]

3 hours ago, Give it to Ron said:

 

I am surprised no Manning though but guess Moussa and Larios will fill that side.

Can't really look to replace Perraud if he hasn't left. There is also Small to add to Larios and Moussa, so not exactly short on bodies. 

[SuperSAINT]

 

[wild-saint]

12 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

This @exwestham guy is one of the only ITK at west Ham. He comes out with all sorts of info that is on the money.