Summer Transfer Window 2023

[davefizzy14]

4 hours ago, SaintsFan86 said:

 

Please make it happen 🙏  hopefully this is true and we can bring Jose home

[SuperSAINT]

 

 

[SuperSAINT]

 

[SaintLondon]

According to Alan Nixon we only want £15m for Tella.. seems low? 

[SaintLondon]

12 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

This isn’t classic. 

[Dusic]

One thing we have been so bad at for ages is contracts and letting players get to one year left.

Hopefully Wilcox can work out a better strategy, even if its just to get fee protection like with MacAllister and Caicedo.

On Ballard specifically it depends who the offers are from but surely if he has a fairly major role for us next season it should persuade him to extend. Ditto Kami Doyle.

Edited 18 June, 2023 by Dusic

[SuperSAINT]

5 minutes ago, Dusic said:

On Ballard specifically it depends who the offers are from but surely if he has a fairly major role for us next season it should persuade him to extend. Ditto Kami Doyle.

You would have thought so.  Depends on what he’s being advised.  You don’t have to look far from our recent academy striker history to see that reasons for moving don’t often make sense.

Edited 18 June, 2023 by SuperSAINT

[Sfcphilc]

35 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

Need to tie Dom down to a new contract asap. He'll get his chances next season. Hopefully he doesn't make the same mistake as many academy players and join a top 6 club, only to be loaned out to the French second division and be sold after 3 years. 

[Dusic]

2 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

You would have thought so.  Depends on what he’s being advised.  You don’t have to look far from our recent academy striker history to see that reasons for moving don’t often make sense.

If we ended up losing Ballard and JJM without either doing anything for the first team and without generating a big fee then its such a poor look for our academy and its actual benefit.

[Lighthouse]

16 minutes ago, Dusic said:

One thing we have been so bad at for ages is contracts and letting players get to one year left.

Not really, I can only think of Hojbjerg and Wanyama who we’ve really had to let go below market value because of that. There might be one or two others but we’re no worse than any other club.

[Dusic]

26 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Not really, I can only think of Hojbjerg and Wanyama who we’ve really had to let go below market value because of that. There might be one or two others but we’re no worse than any other club.

Can add Ings and Clyne from the past (same applied to Vestergaard too even though he obviously flopped at Leicester) and this summer Salisu and Adams will both go for less than their true value and probably less or equal to what we paid for them despite now being far more experienced.

Its been a problem, especially if the model is to buy, develop and sell because the sell bit relies on being able to sell for substantially more than we paid and that never happens when players get to a year left.

Edited 18 June, 2023 by Dusic

[Chez]

26 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Can add Ings and Clyne from the past (same applied to Vestergaard too even though he obviously flopped at Leicester) and this summer Salisu and Adams will both go for less than their true value and probably less or equal to what we paid for them despite now being far more experienced.

Its been a problem, especially if the model is to buy, develop and sell because the sell bit relies on being able to sell for substantially more than we paid and that never happens when players get to a year left.

which means we need to sell players with at least two years to go, which we could have done with both Salisu and Che by the sounds of things. I guess it depends on the offers, amount and when you get them (have you time to replace)...

[Chez]

1 hour ago, Sfcphilc said:

Need to tie Dom down to a new contract asap. 

Easier said than done. I think we are going to have to chuck a lot of money at him, as Chelsea did at Jimmy Jay.  If he plays games that will attract buyers and push his wage demands up, If he doesn't play games, he isn't going to sign. He may as well earn a fortune elsewhere and not plat games as do so here.

 

[Chez]

1 hour ago, Dusic said:

If we ended up losing Ballard and JJM without either doing anything for the first team and without generating a big fee then its such a poor look for our academy and its actual benefit.

Yeah, not great, but I'd be more worried about about whether our academy will be able to attract talent like them in the first place. 

[CB Fry]

46 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Can add Ings and Clyne from the past (same applied to Vestergaard too even though he obviously flopped at Leicester) and this summer Salisu and Adams will both go for less than their true value and probably less or equal to what we paid for them despite now being far more experienced.

Its been a problem, especially if the model is to buy, develop and sell because the sell bit relies on being able to sell for substantially more than we paid and that never happens when players get to a year left.

Ings, Vestergaard were not "buy develop and sell" players for a start.

We spent a year trying to get Ings to stay, it became obvious he never was going to. You realise that players and agents understand the value of one-year-left as well? You realise they sometimes will aim to get to that?

The idea that two years ago we should have given Vestergaard a 3 or 4 year extension sounds fucking mad to me, especially as we pretty much got our money back when we sold him. If you mean we should have sold him a year earlier - well, to who and for how much? 

Clyne I can't remember, but if you're going back that far to make your point suggests it's not the endemic problem you are making it out to be.

Salisu probably should have flogged him January a year ago, but then that would have been a meltdown on here as well. Again, as with Ings, players and agents know what they are doing.

I don't believe that the club should make sure every player in the club should all have two years left at all times because that would cost us an absolute fortune, ties the hands of any future managers and puts us in a very weak position and helpless to agents for pay rise pay rise pay rises for any old player every summer. Should we have lobbed £50k a week for four years at Ballard a year ago? Would that have aided his development? 

Edited 18 June, 2023 by CB Fry

[Convict Colony]

What will happen first we sign a new player or we get a manager.

[hypochondriac]

I see some loons on twitter are getting themselves worked up about the prospect of signing Fonte. Happy to place on record that this will never happen and is a stupid thing to suggest. 

[Lighthouse]

1 hour ago, Dusic said:

Can add Ings and Clyne from the past (same applied to Vestergaard too even though he obviously flopped at Leicester) and this summer Salisu and Adams will both go for less than their true value and probably less or equal to what we paid for them despite now being far more experienced.

Its been a problem, especially if the model is to buy, develop and sell because the sell bit relies on being able to sell for substantially more than we paid and that never happens when players get to a year left.

True enough, they did all get to their last year but I believe we still made a profit on all three, or at least broke even. Clyne we bought in similar circumstances IIRC, seems he made a bit of a habit of playing contract chicken.

[skintsaint]

2 hours ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

Guessing Dortmund might be the German team. 

[SotonianWill]

36 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

True enough, they did all get to their last year but I believe we still made a profit on all three, or at least broke even. Clyne we bought in similar circumstances IIRC, seems he made a bit of a habit of playing contract chicken.

what was the mane situation? 35 million was very low at the time he left as well. Along same contract lines or poor negotiating?

[Bad Wolf]

Lyanco would have been great in The Championship. 

[CB Fry]

29 minutes ago, SotonianWill said:

what was the mane situation? 35 million was very low at the time he left as well. Along same contract lines or poor negotiating?

It wasn't "very low at the time" so there's that. It was Liverpool's record outlay at the time so not very low on any measure.

Edited 18 June, 2023 by CB Fry

[SaintsFan86]

Bologna looking at Bednarek.

[Whitey Grandad]

16 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said:

Bologna looking at Bednarek.

Let’s hope they’re not looking for him in our penalty area then.

[SuperSAINT]

18 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said:

Bologna looking at Bednarek.

#CentreBackExodusWatch

[SaintsFan86]

3 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

#CentreBackExodusWatch

 

I wouldn't be shocked if we sold all 6.

[Saint86]

4 hours ago, SaintLondon said:

This isn’t classic. 

Would be an absolute shocker by the club to lose some or our best academy plauers. Hopefully nothing in this. 

[manji]

3 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said:

 

I wouldn't be shocked if we sold all 6.

Possibly but I’m confident that we have replacements set up already.

[Lighthouse]

1 hour ago, SotonianWill said:

what was the mane situation? 35 million was very low at the time he left as well. Along same contract lines or poor negotiating?

People always forget two things when they bring this up:

1. Transfer fees have gone up enormously since then. The year before we sold Mané, City bought KDB for a shade over £50m, having been tearing it up for Wolfsburg in Europe, and the general consensus at the time was that he was overpriced.
2. Mané was inconsistent for us and only really looked like the player he became at Liverpool for the last 8-10 games. Before that he disappeared in both winters he played for us.

The £34-38m touted was a fair price at the time.

[Hodgey]

It would be a shame to lose our promising youngsters, but I don’t really see them being ready for a promotion push at that level next year, they need to fill out a bit. If they want regular football they need to accept that or leave on loan / transfer. PL reserve division 2 isn’t the highest of bars.

On cbs - again I’m not convinced on any of them and they all have clear issues.

We’ve got far too many average players so losing a few to create space for players Martin will want is a necessity.

[John B]

14 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Would be an absolute shocker by the club to lose some or our best academy plauers. Hopefully nothing in this. 

Why would you be shocked

 

Our top first team layers are likely to leave so why would our top youngsters want to stay

[Ball boy]

20 hours ago, niceandfriendly said:

See, we DO need a fan on the board! 
 

But seriously, would love it so much if Jose returned. Unfinished business. 

Andy Young is a fan and has joined the board so we can tick that off the list!

[Lighthouse]

12 minutes ago, John B said:

Why would you be shocked

 

Our top first team layers are likely to leave so why would our top youngsters want to stay

Because our top first team players can go to mediocre Premier League teams for a moderate pay rise. If anything our younger players will have a better chance at first team football now that we’ve been relegated, as the calibre of player they’ll need to displace will be lower.

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

46 minutes ago, manji said:

Possibly but I’m confident that we have replacements set up already.

Who exactly would have set these replacements up? Genuine question

[Turkish]

44 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

People always forget two things when they bring this up:

1. Transfer fees have gone up enormously since then. The year before we sold Mané, City bought KDB for a shade over £50m, having been tearing it up for Wolfsburg in Europe, and the general consensus at the time was that he was overpriced.
2. Mané was inconsistent for us and only really looked like the player he became at Liverpool for the last 8-10 games. Before that he disappeared in both winters he played for us.

The £34-38m touted was a fair price at the time.

It was actually the joint 5th highest transfer of that summer and absolutely in line with other prices at the time  It was only 2 months later when Pogba joined Man United for £90m we saw a huge inflation in transfer fees the follow windows. 

[RedArmy]

48 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

People always forget two things when they bring this up:

1. Transfer fees have gone up enormously since then. The year before we sold Mané, City bought KDB for a shade over £50m, having been tearing it up for Wolfsburg in Europe, and the general consensus at the time was that he was overpriced.
2. Mané was inconsistent for us and only really looked like the player he became at Liverpool for the last 8-10 games. Before that he disappeared in both winters he played for us.

The £34-38m touted was a fair price at the time.

Considering Sissoko went for £30m in the same window, we had our pants pulled down by Liverpool.

[SuperSAINT]

5 hours ago, SaintLondon said:

According to Alan Nixon we only want £15m for Tella.. seems low? 

Assuming this is true, I can't imagine why Burnley haven't paid it.  

Seems very low as you said.  Unless we're trying to tag an extra +£5m in achievable add-on's, even then Burnley should be biting our hand-off, IMO.

Not sure what price they expect to pay for a near 20 goal championship forward?

[Holmes_and_Watson]

3 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

I see some loons on twitter are getting themselves worked up about the prospect of signing Fonte. Happy to place on record that this will never happen and is a stupid thing to suggest. 

Still with us on our Bring Back Mick Channon campaign though? 🙂

I get that there's always a bit of rose tintedness to these things, but ... well, no.

[richardc]

1 hour ago, manji said:

Possibly but I’m confident that we have replacements set up already.

as confident as having a replacement striker lined up in the summer or a decent replacement lined up for when Ralph left or a decent replacement for when Jones left or a decent replacement for when Romeu left 

[Weston Super Saint]

2 hours ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

Who exactly would have set these replacements up? Genuine question

Tea lady (unless she's on holiday as well?)

[Nolan]

On 08/06/2023 at 12:01, Nolan said:

Burnley have never spent more than 15 Million on a player.

 

 

Given the amount that Nixon says Burnley are willing to pay is £15 million, let's just quickly boost the above.

[FarehamSaintJames]

Let’s be honest, Burnley could probably look abroad and get exactly the same type of player for a lot cheaper.

It’s like a tax or English players where their price suddenly inflates.

[Lighthouse]

2 hours ago, RedArmy said:

Considering Sissoko went for £30m in the same window, we had our pants pulled down by Liverpool.

No, Spurs got their pants pulled down by Newcastle. That has no bearing on any of our transfer dealings.

[Weston Super Saint]

18 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Let’s be honest, Burnley could probably look abroad and get exactly the same type of player for a lot cheaper.

It’s like a tax or English players where their price suddenly inflates.

I'm guessing the same would have applied to us last summer or in January, but for some inexplicable reason we didn't manage to snap up a goal scorer for that kind of money....

[CB Fry]

3 hours ago, RedArmy said:

Considering Sissoko went for £30m in the same window, we had our pants pulled down by Liverpool.

 

27 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

No, Spurs got their pants pulled down by Newcastle. That has no bearing on any of our transfer dealings.

Was also a deadline day transfer.

Imagine the pissing and moaning if we'd sold Mane with no replacement on August 31st that summer.

Edited 18 June, 2023 by CB Fry

[Nolan]

33 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Let’s be honest, Burnley could probably look abroad and get exactly the same type of player for a lot cheaper.

It’s like a tax or English players where their price suddenly inflates.

It's almost as if there's a rule where there's a limit of "non homegrown" players in a 25 man Squad.

So if you spend the money on a good "homegrown player" it shows you more options with foreign purchases.

[Saint86]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/06/17/chelsea-pay-30m-villarreal-striker-nicolas-jackson/

Chelsea are preparing to pay around £30 million to secure the signing of Villarreal forward Nicolas Jackson, with the deal advancing quickly. Villarreal do not want to sell Jackson, who scored 12 goals in La Liga in 2022-23, but Chelsea are ready to activate the 21-year-old’s release clause. Talks are ongoing between the two clubs over payment structures and the finer details of the transfer, but there is now an expectation that the striker will be moving to Stamford Bridge. The move could even be finalised in the next few days, after Jackson has played his final game of the season, for Senegal against Brazil, on Tuesday. It is expected that Jackson will sign a long-term contract similar to those handed to previous young signings since the Todd Boehly-Clearlake Capital takeover of the club. Jackson moved to Villarreal from Senegal in 2019 and can play as a central striker or on the wings. He finished the season in sensational form, scoring nine goals in his final eight games of the club campaign. The forward almost signed for Bournemouth in January, in a deal worth around £25 million, before a hamstring injury prevented him from making the move.

 

[HarvSFC]

Neves leaving Wolves for Saudi Arabia is a bit of a surprise.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

43 minutes ago, HarvSFC said:

Neves leaving Wolves for Saudi Arabia is a bit of a surprise.

Just chasing the money there surely? Still only 27 and a Portuguese international. Early retirement in a hugely sub standard league.

[Saint Garrett]

42 minutes ago, HarvSFC said:

Neves leaving Wolves for Saudi Arabia is a bit of a surprise.

Nothing is a surprise when it comes to Saudi Arabia. 💰

I do wonder how the premier league and other major leagues can deal with this situation that's arising though.  Ultimately money talks, but this is becoming a problem for the other major leagues.  Ronaldo was the start, but when you start seeing players in their prime going there it's a concern.