Summer Transfer Window 2023

[SaintsLoyal]

I imagine Leeds offered more money 

[James]

2 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

It’s astonishing some of the narratives people are managing to construct in their mind and then get upset about. We’re apparently of the verge of securing a very low risk loan for a decent player, with plenty of experience at this level and the one above. You’d think people would be positive but apparently this somehow proves we’re a pathetic club with no ambition and our only other signing is going to be a one legged LB from the Chad second division.

A week before the January window closed, some people were convinced our only business would be signing Andre Ayew on loan. Let’s maybe wait and see?

Not sure its narratives being constructed - reports are suggesting that (a) we wanted this winger from Genk, it sounds like he is choosing Leeds over us and (b) we wanted Piroe but he chose Leeds over us. Assuming those reports are true (no reason to believe otherwise as some of the reporters are well connected) then it seems reasonable to suggest that Ryan Fraser is an alternative to this guy from Genk and that, if we had been working on Piroe all the way up until yesterday when he chose to go to Leeds, we will now be trying to progress our second choice striker target. If Che doesn't train then seems like his move is close but our ability to get a replacement has suffered a set back as I suspect we thought we would get Piroe. The concern is that there is only a week left in the window, we have holes (and will soon have more) and appear to have lost out on two targets. Don't think its unreasonable to be disappointed at losing out on Piroe and being concerned that we now need to move on another target with time ticking on.

[imadirtyurchin]

I think there’s lots of (understandable given SR’s chequered history of under delivering in relation to hype and promises) over reaction in this thread. I share the same pessimism and fear as the majority of you - (saints failing for the third window in getting a proper striker to replace Ings and the whole gakpo fiasco.) 

and I’m not overwhelmed with the signings so far. BUT we can’t really judge until the window ends. RM promised we’d be stronger at the end of the window than at the start. Let’s hold the panic until the window shuts and see whether that’s proven to be the case or not. If not, let’s hold them accountable. 

[goodymatt]

1 minute ago, CSA96 said:

Where was it that said yesterday that we declined to bid? I guess both can be true. 
 

I imagine the feeling more wanted by Leeds stuff comes down to the fact we were quite open about the fact we’d only be signing a striker (in this case, Piroe) if Ché left. 
 

Leeds took advantage and went flat out while Everton and co kept us in limbo.

TalkSport said we had declined to bid. I think your take on it sounds pretty logical.

[Bit of a plonker]

I don’t know about Ryan Fraser but the levels of Dad’s Army “We’re Doomed” Fraser on here is nuts!!

We have 7 points, are unbeaten in the league, have shifted a large part of a bloated squad, got great values for those that have left and appear to be treading a path that other successful Championship teams have used (Forest promotion, Burnley promotion, Sheff Utd promotion) experience coming in (“when will we learn from only signing unproven kids”).

 I am excited for the season ahead, winning matches, playing better football and being competitive.  Bring it on.

[maysie]

48 minutes ago, Saint Scott said:

Nobody had heard of Paintsil before a few days ago, and how did our last signing from the Belgian league turn out?

@manji has also mentioned we have a different ST target to Piroe. Lets see what the next week brings

I’m not sure he is ITK to be honest. Just has an incredible amount of faith in SR

[SuperSAINT]

“ 🚨 🚨 “

[Appy]

1 minute ago, SuperSAINT said:

“ 🚨 🚨 “

Nice that we’re the ones unsettling a player for once 

[InvictaSaint]

I swear to god there are people who gain absolutely no pleasure from following Saints and are just primed, every day, to look for and believe the worst. 

[egg]

1 minute ago, Dman said:

We've just let our replacement walk to Leeds. That's the issue. 

That's your narrative. If he came, Sulemana may have gone as well. In the knowledge he was off to Leeds, the decision may have been made to keep Sulemana. Roundabouts and swings. 

Take a step back and look at what we have for the wide areas if Tella goes and we keep the others plus Fraser. We'd all have taken that at the start of the season if we were being honest. 

As for Leeds new bloke, if you tell me that you know anything about him, or had even heard about him before a fortnight ago, I won't believe you. 

[woodsaint1]

The amount of guessing and assumptions on here (all pessimistic of course) is hilarious.

Maybe Fraser is coming in to replace Djenepo or is just added depth to those wingers we've lost already.

Maybe Holgate is replacing Lyanco

We will all know better come 1 September so lets just wait it out

[Chez]

42 minutes ago, James said:

Bit worrying Paintsil didn't want to come here but is happy to join the shit show at Elland Road...

after seeing what happened with Onuachu and Orsic (getting no opportunities) and players like Sulemena and ABK kind of stuck here because we want a lot of money for them, perhaps Leeds, and their willingness to include low get out clauses in contracts are more appealing?

Hopefully he's shit. The last player they signed that we also wanted was the fullback Junior Firpo and has been a complete disaster for them.

[SuperSAINT]

1 minute ago, Appy said:

Nice that we’re the ones unsettling a player for once 

Just catching up on news.  So Holgate & Wood for Lyanco & ABK ?

[Suhari]

2 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

“ 🚨 🚨 “

£10M is a lot of money for a very shitty beer.

[egg]

Just now, InvictaSaint said:

I swear to god there are people who gain absolutely no pleasure from following Saints and are just primed, every day, to look for and believe the worst. 

Amen. The doom and gloom is pretty sad to be honest.

[goodymatt]

If Piroe was our first choice to replace Adams and he was keen to come (as local Swansea journo suggests), why is he not here? Have Saints got a better option lined up? is Che staying?

You’d think Piroe would wait for us to sell Che if we were his preferred destination under his old manager. Not sure Leeds trying hard for a week covers that all off. I maintain that we could have had him if we wanted. Unless Leeds financial package is huge in comparison to ours? Something doesn’t quite add up for me.

[Chez]

14 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

We don't have to sell everything that isn't nailed down.

OK. Assuming Tella does go, and we don't know yet - why are we selling him?

[iansums]

47 minutes ago, Saint Scott said:

Sounds like somebody has been cut off from the CoT overlord that is Turkish

Can you imagine how many tongues are up his bottom?

[Lighthouse]

2 minutes ago, James said:

Not sure its narratives being constructed - reports are suggesting that (a) we wanted this winger from Genk, it sounds like he is choosing Leeds over us and (b) we wanted Piroe but he chose Leeds over us. Assuming those reports are true (no reason to believe otherwise as some of the reporters are well connected) then it seems reasonable to suggest that Ryan Fraser is an alternative to this guy from Genk and that, if we had been working on Piroe all the way up until yesterday when he chose to go to Leeds, we will now be trying to progress our second choice striker target. If Che doesn't train then seems like his move is close but our ability to get a replacement has suffered a set back as I suspect we thought we would get Piroe. The concern is that there is only a week left in the window, we have holes (and will soon have more) and appear to have lost out on two targets. Don't think its unreasonable to be disappointed at losing out on Piroe and being concerned that we now need to move on another target with time ticking on.

We have interest in a lot of players.Transfer windows aren’t about going out and buying all the players you want, they’re about identifying a range of viable players and seeing which ones you can secure a suitable deal for.

Given the money we’ve brought in and what we were willing to spend on Charles, we could obviously have afforded what Leeds paid for Piroe. The fact that we didn’t get him would suggest he wasn’t really that much of a priority for us and that we’re either  looking at other targets or planning to keep Che.

[goodymatt]

2 minutes ago, egg said:

That's your narrative. If he came, Sulemana may have gone as well. In the knowledge he was off to Leeds, the decision may have been made to keep Sulemana. Roundabouts and swings. 

Take a step back and look at what we have for the wide areas if Tella goes and we keep the others plus Fraser. We'd all have taken that at the start of the season if we were being honest. 

As for Leeds new bloke, if you tell me that you know anything about him, or had even heard about him before a fortnight ago, I won't believe you. 

He did score against us for Swansea in the cup. Linked to PL teams for a few windows. He’s not been hiding under a rock like.

[Dman]

2 minutes ago, egg said:

That's your narrative. If he came, Sulemana may have gone as well. In the knowledge he was off to Leeds, the decision may have been made to keep Sulemana. Roundabouts and swings. 

Take a step back and look at what we have for the wide areas if Tella goes and we keep the others plus Fraser. We'd all have taken that at the start of the season if we were being honest. 

As for Leeds new bloke, if you tell me that you know anything about him, or had even heard about him before a fortnight ago, I won't believe you. 

I was on about Piroe. The most obvious L4l replacement of Che we could have asked for. 

[Bad Wolf]

49 minutes ago, James said:

Bit worrying Paintsil didn't want to come here but is happy to join the shit show at Elland Road...

Manning opted to join us over them though?

Different players, different preferences. I wouldn't read much into that. 

[HarvSFC]

1 hour ago, Dman said:

You clearly have no idea of the actual situation. 

He didn't 'give up'. He was out of contract post covid break and didn't sign a new one for 8 games to see through the season. 

Huge difference in the 2. 

You only need to look at his Wikipedia page before stating "You clearly have no idea of the actual situation."

"He ranked highly in the assists chart during the 2018–19 Premier League season with 14 assists and 7 goals, leading to transfer speculation linking him with a move to Arsenal. No summer move materialised and Fraser admitted in January 2020 that this speculation had caused a decline in his performances during the 2019–20 season."

That's prior to him refusing to end the season with Bournemouth, the final season where he scored 1 goal and got 4 assists. We all speak negatively of the way Lallana and Van Dijk left us to go to Liverpool. Can't turn a blind eye to a new player coming in who downed tools to join a pre-takeover Newcastle.

[Dman]

2 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

If Piroe was our first choice to replace Adams and he was keen to come (as local Swansea journo suggests), why is he not here? Have Saints got a better option lined up? is Che staying?

You’d think Piroe would wait for us to sell Che if we were his preferred destination under his old manager. Not sure Leeds trying hard for a week covers that all off. I maintain that we could have had him if we wanted. Unless Leeds financial package is huge in comparison to ours? Something doesn’t quite add up for me.

We fucked up messing around with trying to haggle and Leeds put the money down and got him. 

Che isn't staying, we haven't got someone better lined up. We'll replace Che with some no mark for more than what Piroe would have cost us. 

[James]

If the situation pans out as follows:

- Tella departs, Fraser comes in on loan and Sulemana stays put until January.

- Che departs and we sign Shankland from Hearts or Duk from Aberdeen.

- KWP departs, Holgate arrives on loan and we end up signing Wood from Swansea to replace one of ABK or Lyanco.

- The young lad from Gronigens signs.

Will people be satisfied with the business that we've done?

[Chez]

22 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

If Tella is off I'm guessing Painstil was our first choice replacement. He turned us down so we've panicked and got Fraser in on loan instead. 

I don't think it's a panic signing. As with Holgate, we were heavily linked with him earlier in the summer and he is likely to be another of the players RM mentioned as being `lined' up. 

I think the Pansil move has evolved and might be more about us getting rid of Onuachu. Genk just do not have the money to buy Onuachu, so a trade was thought up.

[Baird of the land]

1 minute ago, Chez said:

OK. Assuming Tella does go, and we don't know yet - why are we selling him?

Exactly my point. We have complete control of the Tella situation & can revisit next summer even if he doesn't renew contract. This logic that we simply have to sell is nonsense. 

[Chez]

19 minutes ago, Dman said:

It always has been. That was always where he was ending up. 

he dominated at their place. It's not surprising they fancy him.

[Dman]

1 minute ago, James said:

If the situation pans out as follows:

- Tella departs, Fraser comes in on loan and Sulemana stays put until January.

- Che departs and we sign Shankland from Hearts or Duk from Aberdeen.

- KWP departs, Holgate arrives on loan and we end up signing Wood from Swansea to replace one of ABK or Lyanco.

- The young lad from Gronigens signs.

Will people be satisfied with the business that we've done?

No - we've just taken all of the guaranteed goals out of the side and wont win enough games. 

[DT]

I may be in the minority but I think on the face of it Fraser is a decent signing and would get in ahead of Edozie for me as I think the latter  flatters to deceive and has a frustratingly bad end product. Fraser is a terrier and will do well in this league.

Obviously, that said, I think we've dallied badly on Piroe, and Leeds seem to even have snuck in on Paint sealer or whatever he's called.

Hope Holgate means we will not also be pulling back from annoying lovely Swansea again and not offering decent cash for Wood. And Hove seems to have completely disappeared.

Still think Che will be off to Everton, and that maybe even the Newcastle connection with Fraser might mean someone like Sulemana ending up there. Call me old fashioned.

Edited 25 August, 2023 by DT

[AlexLaw76]

2 minutes ago, James said:

If the situation pans out as follows:

- Tella departs, Fraser comes in on loan and Sulemana stays put until January.

- Che departs and we sign Shankland from Hearts or Duk from Aberdeen.

- KWP departs, Holgate arrives on loan and we end up signing Wood from Swansea to replace one of ABK or Lyanco.

- The young lad from Gronigens signs.

Will people be satisfied with the business that we've done?

Just kissed goodbye to promotion IMO, and the managed SR decline of SFC continues

[Chez]

20 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

https://x.com/swanseacitylive/status/1695030810842214421?s=46&t=7raSKCMt6LV8RJ1C2d39WQ

This says we were in advanced negotiations for Piroe and he was keen to come but the efforts of Leeds meant he went there in the end.

that's not good news.

If he said there was no discussions with Saints, then we can be confident we had another target. Now we are looking at plan B, whatever that is. Doesn't mean things won't work out, but its not obvious who is available to us. Hopefully there is a gem ready to be revealed. 

[imadirtyurchin]

Just now, Dman said:

We fucked up messing around with trying to haggle and Leeds put the money down and got him. 

Che isn't staying, we haven't got someone better lined up. We'll replace Che with some no mark for more than what Piroe would have cost us. 

Jesus. there’s lots of things being asserted as fact here. Chill out man.

how do you actually know we were in for Piroe? All the interviews with RM and Wilcox I’ve seen and they’ve played a straight bat to the rumours. Plus RM (who managed him - said he’s more like Armstrong. Doesn’t sound like a l4l replacement of che to me!)

 

do you actually KNOW che isn’t staying? NO. You just fear it. 
 

do you KNOW we don’t have anyone better lined up. NO. 
 

chill out man. Get outside. Try not to focus on all the negative noise and anxiety in your head. You’ll be happier. 
 

if at the end of the window any of these things come to pass we can deal with it then. But like most worries and worst fears - they probably won’t 

 

[pimpin4rizeal]

12 minutes ago, egg said:

Far from it. There's more wet fannie's on here in the last 24 hours than you'll find in a brothel.

Adams was always going, ditto Tella. We still have Sulemana for the wide positions. Fraser as an extra body. We'll replace Adams , who everyone thought was shit until a few weeks ago but all of a sudden he's irreplaceable. We still have AA, etc.

No head in the sand, I'm just not flapping like others. 

SR want and need promotion. They'll look after their asset. 

I just want us to put our foot down now . We look like one of the best teams in the league, and we still have players like downes and sulemana to add to that ..

unfortunately we are such a soft as shit youth training scheme pussy hole club all we care about is keeping the spoiled little mercenaries that don’t want to be here happy.. we are completely letting the players and their agents dictate so you can bet your ass we will probably lose the likes of sulemana adams tella ABK in the next week ..

all we have to do is tell them we are going up and your part of our plans and your staying .. but we are incapable of doing this it seems 

[Chez]

17 minutes ago, Streaky said:

Holgate is a donkey. Very physical but technically woeful, especially playing in Martins system.

Interesting. I thought he was technically good but not physical enough, especially in the air? 

[badgerx16]

All these people getting depressed over things they have no control over.

[Appy]

1 minute ago, badgerx16 said:

All these people getting depressed over things they have no control over.

That’s basically what supporting Saints is to be fair 

[Toussaint]

29 minutes ago, Crab Lungs said:

Don’t shoot the messenger but I’ve heard Che to Bournemouth back on ☹️ 

Stay right there while I dig up my rifle from under the veggie patch ...

[tdmickey3]

10 minutes ago, Dman said:

We fucked up messing around with trying to haggle and Leeds put the money down and got him. 

Che isn't staying, we haven't got someone better lined up. We'll replace Che with some no mark for more than what Piroe would have cost us. 

You seem to make us believe you are ITK about everything but in reality you are just vessel that slags everything to with SFC relentlessly irrespective of situation. 

My suggestion to you is that you fuck off to another team, anywhere will do because they are all better run than ours isnt that right?

Where is Bertrand now?

Edited 25 August, 2023 by tdmickey3

[goodymatt]

7 minutes ago, Dman said:

We fucked up messing around with trying to haggle and Leeds put the money down and got him. 

Che isn't staying, we haven't got someone better lined up. We'll replace Che with some no mark for more than what Piroe would have cost us. 

If you’re Piroe and your first choice is to join Martin here, surely you wait? You only join Leeds if there is real doubt you’re not going to be signed? I don’t think we were 100% committed to signing him for whatever reason?

[miserableoldgit]

22 minutes ago, Streaky said:

IF its Fraser in for Tella then we aren't going up with that level of stupidity and Holgate is a donkey. Very physical but technically woeful, especially playing in Martins system.

I really hope that someone archives these sort of comments for review at the end of the season.......then you can say "I told you so"......or........

Edited 25 August, 2023 by miserableoldgit

[Raging Bull]

4 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

All these people getting depressed over things they have no control over.

Or don’t even know if it’s even remotely true. 
 

Peak saintsweb again

[Baird of the land]

7 minutes ago, DT said:

I may be in the minority but I think on the face of it Fraser is a decent signing and would get in ahead of Edozie for me as I think the latter  flatters to deceive and has a frustratingly bad end product. Fraser is a terrier and will do well in this league.

I'm not hugely impressed by current Fraser but if he's a squad upgrade over edozie fine

What most people seem to be concerned about is that this isn't an edozie upgrade but an excuse to cave and sell Tella.

[Farmer Saint]

3 hours ago, Dman said:

How do you know that they weren't negotiating in the back ground? Reports were that Swansea wanted £20m for him - they got him for £12 - £16m. 

I'd put a very decent amount of money on the fact that there has been discussions for some time before the deal was announced. 

Why is everyone ignoring Fabrice29's post from yesterday? Russell Martin compared Piroe to AA, and how they had the same qualities. Why would we sign someone with the same qualities as a player we already have? 

 

From what I can tell we were never in for Piroe since it was clear AA was staying.

 

It's not a missed target if we never wanted him. 

[Badger]

2 hours ago, Dman said:

yep - exactly how I remember it. 

Not great, I do get that, but I understand why he might make that choice - certainly didn't 'down tools'

It was certainly a refusal to play, which I think could be construed as ‘downing tools’.

Accept the point about his contract, fair comment, except it doesn’t show much of a commitment to the club.

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Farmer Saint said:

Why is everyone ignoring Fabrice29's post from yesterday? Russell Martin compared Piroe to AA, and how they had the same qualities. Why would we sign someone with the same qualities as a player we already have? 

 

From what I can tell we were never in for Piroe since it was clear AA was staying.

 

It's not a missed target if we never wanted him. 

except it is reported we were in 'advanced talks' with him

[saintant]

1 hour ago, Smirking_Saint said:

We don’t know that ? I suspect it will be Sulemana leaving tbh, as I genuinely don’t believe he wants to be here

Historically plenty of Championship promoters loaned players in, because you get players of the correct quality without the long term commitment

If we bought players like Fraser etc, and comitted to long contracts there will be plenty of people moaning about our lack of flexibility to buy prem quality because of Championship ’deadwood’

Sulemana is a strange one. He came in at a time we were odds on to be relegated so it must have come as no surprise when the inevitable happened. He arrived as a work in progress type of player with a lot of growing and improving to do - a prospect but by no means the finished article. As I recall he had about one half decent game in an end of season match against a half-hearted Liverpool. My question about him is what gives him the impression he is too good for us? He has proved nothing yet so why not buckle down, do some learning, get some games in and prove what he's all about because so far I haven't a clue whether he's bad, medium, good or brilliant. We gave him a chance  so why not repay us with a little loyalty. Maybe there's a queue of big clubs waiting for him to give them the nod but my impression is that he thinks he's far better than he's shown so far.

[LegalEagle]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

Why is everyone ignoring Fabrice29's post from yesterday? Russell Martin compared Piroe to AA, and how they had the same qualities. Why would we sign someone with the same qualities as a player we already have? 

 

 

The answer to that is because is doesn't suit their bed wetting agenda.

[miserableoldgit]

Reading this thread has made me realise that I am pleased that I use one of those "5 blade razors". If I was using a cut-throat or old stylee Gillette, I would have slashed my wrists by now.....

[woodsaint1]

2 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said:

I really hope that someone archive these sort of comments for review at the end of the season.......then you can say "I told you so"......or........

They usually caveat it with the line 'I hope I'm proved wrong'. Its added protection if somebody ever digs it up. So predictable