Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 42 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Don't forget another great team that finished runner up in the 80s. Might be wrong, but wasn't that the first season they went to 3pts for a win and if it was still 2pts for a win, we would have won the league? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 54 minutes ago, Smirking_Saint said: Yeah if we lose Adams or Mara then we certainly need a striker We'd struggle to match his goal tally though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 5 minutes ago, Smirking_Saint said: Id actually like to see him loaned out, he showed good promise in France and I do think there is a player in there.. so lets see If so then yeah we’ll need 2 in probably, if/when we sell Adams Onuachu just isn’t suitable at all, so im not really even counting him I don’t think skill and ability are his issues, it’s good old fashioned work rate, application and desire, which he has to find within himself 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 Mara was going to be "fine" in the Championship, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint NL Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 30 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said: https://www.teamtalk.com/southampton/exclusive-southampton-find-che-adams-replacement-enquiry-made-hearts-striker-lawrence-shankland SHANK-land? The headlines will write themselves if he misses a few 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 6 minutes ago, Smirking_Saint said: His passing stats are abysmal, Im not sure its much of a concrete link either Im not overly impressed if it is Never seen him play, but amidst the many taps ins (nothing wrong with those of course) there is this https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12186468/shanklands-50-yard-screamer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 3 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Mara was going to be "fine" in the Championship, right? are you not impressed with what he has done during the whole one minute he has been afforded so far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 4 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Mara was going to be "fine" in the Championship, right? It must be draining finding negativity in everything 17 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 4 minutes ago, Chez said: Never seen him play, but amidst the many taps ins (nothing wrong with those of course) there is this https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12186468/shanklands-50-yard-screamer My mates a hearts fan and he says he’s shit. Not good enough for the championship 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 1 minute ago, Smirking_Saint said: It must be draining finding negativity in everything Guess it was you who suggested it. Fair doos. We are all wrong from time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 11 minutes ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said: Might be wrong, but wasn't that the first season they went to 3pts for a win and if it was still 2pts for a win, we would have won the league? P W D L F A W D L F A PTS 1 Liverpool FC 42 14 5 2 50 12 8 9 4 23 20 80 2 Southampton 42 15 4 2 44 17 7 7 7 22 21 77 don't think so. Same number of wins, but they had three more draws. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 20 minutes ago, Chez said: he scored quite a few last season. Looking at his stats he scored a hat full in the lower Scottish leagues too. Had a great season in the Scottish Premiership last season but fairly dry the previous two (including one in the Belgian league where Onuachu scored a hatful). Interesting one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 (edited) Watching the customary youtube compilations. Shankland scores a nice variety of goals, not all of them especially clean finishes. In particular several where his first effort isn't great but it deflects back to him and in. Whether he could do that in a more competitive league is another question, but his movement off a defensive line reminds me a bit of Ings. Depending on price he could be worth a go. Edited 21 August, 2023 by Colinjb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 1 hour ago, hypochondriac said: January will be for keeping us on the promotion track. If we have already fallen too far behind, no one of real quality will join. Or, conversely, we get in the people we need to push for promotion in the summer and the January window will be about attracting players that will do a job in the prem - a lot easier to attract players who want to play in the prem if you are in the top 2 with half the season done.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 Saw Shankland live last season against Rangers, was very impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 2 minutes ago, Turkish said: My mates a hearts fan and he says he’s shit. Not good enough for the championship pretty damning opinion of a guy that scored 24 in 37 league games and 28 in 47 games for them last year in his first and only season for them. He scored 5 in 28 when he played for Belgium side Beerschot the season before. If we are going for a 28 year old `proven scorer', it will be Piroe. He ain't signing a new deal IMO and Swansea won't want him walking on a free. If we are looking for young talent that might also make the step up then Archer would be the guy, but he will be very expensive by Championship terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 4 minutes ago, Chez said: P W D L F A W D L F A PTS 1 Liverpool FC 42 14 5 2 50 12 8 9 4 23 20 80 2 Southampton 42 15 4 2 44 17 7 7 7 22 21 77 don't think so. Same number of wins, but they had three more draws. I think I remember that we did go down in 1974 as the first team third from the bottom to be relegated but I am not 100% sure 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 3 minutes ago, Colinjb said: In particular several where his first effort isn't great but it deflects back to him and in. That what I saw in the Onuachu videos. Quality strikers don't need two go's. And you don't get them in the top flight. Get the feeling he extremely reliant on chances being created for him or does the video you watch suggest he can create and/or magic something out of nothing? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 4 minutes ago, Appy said: Saw Shankland live last season against Rangers, was very impressive. can you expand a bit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 18 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Mara was going to be "fine" in the Championship, right? Just because you think you can do better. You strikers are all the same. Massive egos. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 2 minutes ago, Chez said: pretty damning opinion of a guy that scored 24 in 37 league games and 28 in 47 games for them last year in his first and only season for them. He scored 5 in 28 when he played for Belgium side Beerschot the season before. If we are going for a 28 year old `proven scorer', it will be Piroe. He ain't signing a new deal IMO and Swansea won't want him walking on a free. If we are looking for young talent that might also make the step up then Archer would be the guy, but he will be very expensive by Championship terms. He might be winding me up a he’s a bit like that but he’s not a fan. He’s proper Hearts and knows his football, UEFA B coach etc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 2 minutes ago, revolution saint said: Just because you think you can do better. You strikers are all the same. Massive egos. amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 1 minute ago, Chez said: can you expand a bit? I mean it was only one game, but he definitely stood out. Held up play well, caused Rangers’ defence loads of problems, strong on the ball and scored. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 4 minutes ago, Chez said: That what I saw in the Onuachu videos. Quality strikers don't need two go's. And you don't get them in the top flight. Get the feeling he extremely reliant on chances being created for him or does the video you watch suggest he can create and/or magic something out of nothing? Well, here are the videos: Hearts (SPL): Ayr (SD1/SC): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s41JM-feRpg To me, he can create and latch onto those made for him. Very versatile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 He must be fucking amazing if Che gets in front of him for Scotland. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patches O Houlihan Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 12 minutes ago, Colinjb said: Well, here are the videos: Hearts (SPL): Ayr (SD1/SC): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s41JM-feRpg To me, he can create and latch onto those made for him. Very versatile. Nearly all are from inside the box, but there's a good variety of different strikes. He also seems to have a wide variety of penalty choices. No headers though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 8 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said: He must be fucking amazing if Che gets in front of him for Scotland. Come on what chance has he got against the mighty che 😀 He did score in scotlands 6-0 win v San Marino I see 💪 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 15 minutes ago, Turkish said: He might be winding me up a he’s a bit like that but he’s not a fan. He’s proper Hearts and knows his football, UEFA B coach etc Think Hearts fans were pretty annoyed at their European performance at Rosenberg the other week, so if you caught after that, I'd imagine all players were deemed shit. He scored in the return leg mind you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 4 minutes ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said: Come on what chance has he got against the mighty che 😀 He did score in scotlands 6-0 win v San Marino I see 💪 Let’s not get excited Even Bazunu managed to keep a clean sheet against San Marino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 1 minute ago, Turkish said: Let’s not get excited Even Bazunu managed to keep a clean sheet against San Marino Apart from the old firm, playing in the Scottish leagues is probably similar to playing San Marino every week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 3 hours ago, Smirking_Saint said: Yeah, both Martin and Alfie have intimated thats the case too, which Im happy about Be interesting to see what level they are… do they push for a start ? Does it block Smallbone etc ? My money is on McAtee from City was at Sundering last season and excellent and Wilcox was meant to be working on this weekend. As for Shankland if true that would almost certainly come from Mowbray who was at Aberdeen last year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 Just now, Give it to Ron said: My money is on McAtee from City was at Sundering last season and excellent and Wilcox was meant to be working on this weekend. As for Shankland if true that would almost certainly come from Mowbray who was at Aberdeen last year. McAtee would be an amazing signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 22 minutes ago, Colinjb said: Well, here are the videos: Hearts (SPL): Ayr (SD1/SC): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s41JM-feRpg To me, he can create and latch onto those made for him. Very versatile. he looks very composed. If his shot is saved, he seems very unflustered and just taps in the rebound. Not a lot to go on there though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_SFC Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 Must admit I do like the look of Archer from Villa. Looks good with both feet, quick, good finisher and seems pretty composed for a relatively young lad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 26 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said: My money is on McAtee from City was at Sundering last season and excellent and Wilcox was meant to be working on this weekend. As for Shankland if true that would almost certainly come from Mowbray who was at Aberdeen last year. Thought McAtee was at Sheffield United? Anyway, they want him back along with a number of premier league clubs and Man City have apparently already rejected a 30M bid from someone. I can't see it happening if I'm honest. Most likely is he ends up going on loan to a premier league club. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 3 minutes ago, revolution saint said: Thought McAtee was at Sheffield United? Anyway, they want him back along with a number of premier league clubs and Man City have apparently already rejected a 30M bid from someone. I can't see it happening if I'm honest. Most likely is he ends up going on loan to a premier league club. Sorry not Sunderland it was Patrick Roberts who we were linked with there- you are right Sheffield Utd had McAtee last season and rumoured Wilcox was trying to get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 1 minute ago, Give it to Ron said: Sorry not Sunderland it was Patrick Roberts who we were linked with there- you are right Sheffield Utd had McAtee last season and rumoured Wilcox was trying to get. You can imagine McAtee will leave city in some capacity, as they are about to sign a winger for £50m+... (Doku?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Turkish said: My mates a hearts fan and he says he’s shit. Not good enough for the championship I've watched him in depth for the last 6 seasons, and I see a player that is great on the shoulder of the last defender, with a very decent finish and a thirst to score and win. Insane signing. Edited 21 August, 2023 by Farmer Saint 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 10 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: I've watched him in depth for the last 6 seasons, and I see a player that is great on the shoulder of the last defender, with a very decent finish and a thirst to score and win. Insane signing. always up for an insane signing. It's been the downfall of many a saintsweb poster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Bates Statue Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 4 minutes ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said: always up for an insane signing. It's been the downfall of many a saintsweb poster Yep, that wannabe-Nostradamus TWar never managed to survive the embarrassment of making that pronouncement towards, er, Tino Livramento. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 Just now, Ted Bates Statue said: Yep, that wannabe-Nostradamus TWar never managed to survive the embarrassment of making that pronouncement towards, er, Tino Livramento. 🙂 fair play 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsFan86 Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 (edited) Pretty disappointed with that if Im honest 3/3… suits the system well 15m feels cheap considering the potential impact on our season Edited 21 August, 2023 by Smirking_Saint 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 Yeah not great but what are the club supposed to do if he won’t sign a new deal and is leaving on a free next year? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 Just now, Toadhall Saint said: Yeah not great but what are the club supposed to do if he won’t sign a new deal and is leaving on a free next year? I understand it, and Ill wait to Sept to see what we do, but Im still disappointed with it Im generally pretty optimistic as far as Saints/SR is concerned BUT this feels a bit cheap really, Id of preferred closer to 20m 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freshen up Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 Just not sure what problem Everton think Che is going to solve to be honest. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 Apparently Birmingham have a sizeable sell-on as well, not sure if it's on the profit or overall sale. So we're not seeing all of it either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 Look, Che. I rate him, but mainly because of his hold-up play and his ability to pick a pass. However, I think people may be overstating his contribution this season. Yes, he has scored some vital goals, but both the Wednesday goal and Plymouth goal I could have got into position and scored. Norwich was half decent finish, but if you don't think we can replace that with another striker for £15m than our scouting department are fucking rubbish. There is also the fact that if he scored 25 goals this season, and we got promotion, then he would be our main striker next season, no doubt. So we'll offer him a bumper contract, and then we'll be stuck with him. Do we want to go through all that again? The bitching and moaning that he's missing easy chances? I can't really do it again. For me, sell him, chuck Villa £20m for Archer and be done with it. 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 4 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: Look, Che. I rate him, but mainly because of his hold-up play and his ability to pick a pass. However, I think people may be overstating his contribution this season. Yes, he has scored some vital goals, but both the Wednesday goal and Plymouth goal I could have got into position and scored. Norwich was half decent finish, but if you don't think we can replace that with another striker for £15m than our scouting department are fucking rubbish. Um, yes they are. For strikers, anyway. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 21 August, 2023 Share Posted 21 August, 2023 8 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: Apparently Birmingham have a sizeable sell-on as well, not sure if it's on the profit or overall sale. So we're not seeing all of it either. No idea how legit it is, but read an article in the Birmingham media (from just after we signed him) and they said it's 10% on the profit. Assuming that's true, then Brum would get nothing on a £15m sale. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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