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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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1 minute ago, verlaine1979 said:

We had a bloated squad because a lot of them were shit. Replacing shit players with useful players isn't squad bloat, it's squad depth.

What shit players have we replaced with useful ones? 

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Turkish

Turkish

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29 minutes ago, Saints4Prem said:

Are the goals bigger in the championship or the goalkeepers shorter? Some must think so if they worry about losing Che Adams who had many chances last season and missed most of them. I would rather let him go and bring in Piroe who seems to be a current goalscorer in the formation that the new manager plays. 

Doesnt Adams have two in two despite starting neither game?

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verlaine1979

verlaine1979

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1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

What shit players have we replaced with useful ones? 

To clarify - that's more a general aspirational point than an observation about our signings to date. At the moment we have 3 shit CBs and 1 potentially good one that doesn't want to play for us. If we allow the "trim the bloated squad" argument to dominate in the last two weeks, we're going to end up with a squad that's, well, shit. Same with our attackers.

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The Kraken

The Kraken

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Just now, verlaine1979 said:

To clarify - that's more a general aspirational point than an observation about our signings to date. At the moment we have 3 shit CBs and 1 potentially good one that doesn't want to play for us. If we allow the "trim the bloated squad" argument to dominate in the last two weeks, we're going to end up with a squad that's, well, shit. Same with our attackers.

As has been said, the squad has been trimmed to a certain extent. From here I reckon we’re basically at a 1 in 1 out scenario. And, to be honest, with the exception of losing Salisu and DCC with none incoming, most of our major outgoings have seen a replacement in any case.

Turkish

Turkish

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12 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Sad isn’t it. 😂

Not sure their outgoing DOF will venture back to Yorkshire in the near future!

It’s hilarious. Giving it the big un when they got the new owner and Farke in, now they’re in meltdown, if you thought us lot was bad you sound spend an afternoon in the bar at my golf club 🤣🤣

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Smirking_Saint

Smirking_Saint

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1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Well if that comes to pass I will absolutely give the club credit. Keeping kwp, Alcaraz and Tella will imo be a statement of intent that we are gunning for immediate automatic promotion. Assuming they both do go, would you be more aligned with pilchards and his opinion? 

Two things

- I don’t believe he has any information of any significance 

- It will delend on our response really, not sure there has ever been a club that hasn’t lost its best players when they got relegated, depends on replacements and so far I think they’ve been sound

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The Kraken

The Kraken

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Just now, Smirking_Saint said:

Two things

- I don’t believe he has any information of any significance 

- It will delend on our response really, not sure there has ever been a club that hasn’t lost its best players when they got relegated, depends on replacements and so far I think they’ve been sound

Agreed. There’s always going to be a drop in quality but I think our replacements for everything bar CB has been good for this level, especially when you take into account the reintegration of Tella and Smallbone.

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Tamesaint

Tamesaint

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14 minutes ago, Turkish said:

It’s hilarious. Giving it the big un when they got the new owner and Farke in, now they’re in meltdown, if you thought us lot was bad you sound spend an afternoon in the bar at my golf club 🤣🤣

What??? Leeds fans with an unworldly sense of entitlement?? I would never have believed it. 

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Toadhall Saint

Toadhall Saint

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9 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Agreed. There’s always going to be a drop in quality but I think our replacements for everything bar CB has been good for this level, especially when you take into account the reintegration of Tella and Smallbone.

Others seem to agree - not a bad summarisation 

 

https://www.givemesport.com/southampton-alcaraz-holgate-transfer-news-russell-martin/#southampton-transfer-news---latest

Lord Duckhunter

Lord Duckhunter

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30 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

As has been said, the squad has been trimmed to a certain extent. From here I reckon we’re basically at a 1 in 1 out scenario. And, to be honest, with the exception of losing Salisu and DCC with none incoming, most of our major outgoings have seen a replacement in any case.

Surely Stephens should be counted as an incoming replacing DCC? 
 

 

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Lord Duckhunter

Lord Duckhunter

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21 minutes ago, Turkish said:

It’s hilarious. Giving it the big un when they got the new owner and Farke in, now they’re in meltdown, if you thought us lot was bad you sound spend an afternoon in the bar at my golf club 🤣🤣

Mush on sky saying their players agreed 60% wage cuts when relegated but had clauses inserted that if X,Y or Z was met they could go on loan/be sold. 

Pilchards

Pilchards

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1 hour ago, Smirking_Saint said:

Pilchards doesn’t really know anything, of that Im confident 

WRONG!

I told you in May that we need to offload 21 players and I have a very, very close source. We will get close to that target when Adams, KWP, Tella, Sully, Tall Paul, Mccarthey, Simeu plus some other squad players move on. (If we get the price that is set)

I also told you that we had approached Nathan Jones way, way before he was even mentioned. I never even heard of Jones myself when I told you guys. Pie in the sky?!? Yeah right!

I will also add that we took an interest in Carrick as the new manager at the start of the season but he was not interested in leaving the north. Have no idea if we offered him the job.

 

 

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The Kraken

The Kraken

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11 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

Others seem to agree - not a bad summarisation 

 

https://www.givemesport.com/southampton-alcaraz-holgate-transfer-news-russell-martin/#southampton-transfer-news---latest

If anything I think it’s a little bit of a dramatic article and kind of gives the idea that we haven’t done much business incoming. As I see it:

Tino out; Manning in. Not like for like but balances us up at 2RB and 2LB.

DCC out; Stephens in.

Diallo, Lavia, JWP out; Smallbone, Charles, Downes (hopefully) in.

Elyounoussi, Walcott out; Tella, Sam A-A in.

Pruned with no replacement: Salisu, Orsic.

As long as any more outgoings have a replacement incoming (which I think they mostly will, though I see the squad size still coming down by 1 or 2 more) then I’m alright with what we’ve done so far.

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DCC out / Stephens in
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Smirking_Saint

Smirking_Saint

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19 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Agreed. There’s always going to be a drop in quality but I think our replacements for everything bar CB has been good for this level, especially when you take into account the reintegration of Tella and Smallbone.

Yeah agree, I think we needed a CB in before now, we know ABK is off and Lyanco isn’t up to it

ErwinK1961

ErwinK1961

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18 minutes ago, Pilchards said:

WRONG!

I told you in May that we need to offload 21 players and I have a very, very close source. We will get close to that target when Adams, KWP, Tella, Sully, Tall Paul, Mccarthey, Simeu plus some other squad players move on. (If we get the price that is set)

I also told you that we had approached Nathan Jones way, way before he was even mentioned. I never even heard of Jones myself when I told you guys. Pie in the sky?!? Yeah right!

I will also add that we took an interest in Carrick as the new manager at the start of the season but he was not interested in leaving the north. Have no idea if we offered him the job.

 

 

You got all that sat up a tree? Impressive.

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Charlie Wayman

Charlie Wayman

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Amongst all the doom and gloom of what if's and maybe's it's worth remembering another comment made by Martin on Tuesday night, that certain players who wanted out after relegation have changed their minds and are happy to stay. He didn't name them but there were lots of smiles at SMS on Wednesday from SArmstrong, Adams, Tella and Alcaraz. 🤞

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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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Just now, Charlie Wayman said:

Amongst all the doom and gloom of what if's and maybe's it's worth remembering another comment made by Martin on Tuesday night, that certain players who wanted out after relegation have changed their minds and are happy to stay. He didn't name them but there were lots of smiles at SMS on Wednesday from SArmstrong, Adams, Tella and Alcaraz. 🤞

Pretty sure that was just Stuart Armstrong who is not a bad player but is someone who I wouldn't be devastated if we lost (particularly if they are going to play him in centre midfield.) 

Turkish

Turkish

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31 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Mush on sky saying their players agreed 60% wage cuts when relegated but had clauses inserted that if X,Y or Z was met they could go on loan/be sold. 

I was told they all have big wage cuts as part of their contacts but some players have really low releases clauses, at least one even has a clause that says if a premier league club comes in for them Leeds have to sell whatever the offer. This came from a decent source. 

The Kraken

The Kraken

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2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I was told they all have big wage cuts as part of their contacts but some players have really low releases clauses, at least one even has a clause that says if a premier league club comes in for them Leeds have to sell whatever the offer. This came from a decent source. 

Backed up I guess by Rodrigo, signed in 2020 for £27m but had a clause in his contract allowing him to leave for £3m.

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Turkish

Turkish

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Just now, The Kraken said:

Backed up I guess by Rodrigo, signed in 2020 for £27m but had a clause in his contract allowing him to leave for £3m.

Yep classic example, plenty more like that to come by the sounds of it. 

bangkoksaint

bangkoksaint

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1 hour ago, Turkish said:

It’s hilarious. Giving it the big un when they got the new owner and Farke in, now they’re in meltdown, if you thought us lot was bad you sound spend an afternoon in the bar at my golf club 🤣🤣

Forest Pines?!

Turkish

Turkish

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Just now, bangkoksaint said:

Forest Pines?!

No mate played there over new year though.  I’m a member of a club in Harrogate, quite a few well connected people there, plus a few former and current Leeds players and staff 😃

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Golac's Cunning Stunts

Golac's Cunning Stunts

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16 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I was told they all have big wage cuts as part of their contacts but some players have really low releases clauses, at least one even has a clause that says if a premier league club comes in for them Leeds have to sell whatever the offer. This came from a decent source. 

Lots of them had clauses inserted saying they can leave on loan if a PL side comes in for them. Hence Leeds have only managed to bring in £4 or £5 mill for all the players who have left

Yorkshire Saint

Yorkshire Saint

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21 minutes ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

Lots of them had clauses inserted saying they can leave on loan if a PL side comes in for them. Hence Leeds have only managed to bring in £4 or £5 mill for all the players who have left

All.the players signed in the last 12 months of the former owner have. His leaving gift... couldn't happen to a nicer club...Peter Ridsdale days loom again.

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Ralph Fastenbüttl

Ralph Fastenbüttl

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You're all losing your minds about the club selling players who have proven they are thoroughly underequipped for life in the Prem - and life in the Prem is what awaits if we're successful in the Championship. What on earth would be the point in this whole exercise if we fight to keep hold of these players, claw our way back up to the top flight and then find ourselves in a similar position to that which got us relegated, with a team of fucking wasters who cannot score or defend? Are we really thinking RM is so talented that he can get things out of this squad that three successive managers have been unable to?

We've all spent months and months and months begging for a clearout. Now we're getting it and y'all are kicking off? I just cannot fathom.

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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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2 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

That can't be happening because what is happening at Saints is completely unprecedented.

Not quite the same thing though is it. Loan clauses in contracts mean it's an inevitability.

obelisk

obelisk

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Offloading players that finished well adrift at the bottom of the EPL last season doesn't worry me particularly, especially if a good price is secured for them. Need to get rid of that losing mentality.

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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8 minutes ago, Ralph Fastenbüttl said:

You're all losing your minds about the club selling players who have proven they are thoroughly underequipped for life in the Prem - and life in the Prem is what awaits if we're successful in the Championship. What on earth would be the point in this whole exercise if we fight to keep hold of these players, claw our way back up to the top flight and then find ourselves in a similar position to that which got us relegated, with a team of fucking wasters who cannot score or defend? Are we really thinking RM is so talented that he can get things out of this squad that three successive managers have been unable to?

We've all spent months and months and months begging for a clearout. Now we're getting it and y'all are kicking off? I just cannot fathom.

Which players proved themselves unequipped for the prem? Jwp? Lavia? Tella? KWP? Tino? 

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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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Just now, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

Dread to think what the whiners and moaners on here would be saying if we had Leeds summer window.

I'd be saying the people in charge who negotiated those contracts are fucking idiots abd are largely at fault for the mess at Leeds. 

CB Fry

CB Fry

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2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Not quite the same thing though is it. Loan clauses in contracts mean it's an inevitability.

So if Che and Sulemana and Tella etc all had loan clauses and just left more quickly that would have been better?

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Ralph Fastenbüttl

Ralph Fastenbüttl

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1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

Which players proved themselves unequipped for the prem? Jwp? Lavia? Tella? KWP? Tino? 

Tella? Huh, OK 😘

But yeah - JWP, Lavia, KWP and Tino are all Prem quality for sure. No doubt. Which is precisely why they were guaranteed to leave when we lost our place in the Prem. Sure, it would have been just splendid had any of them decided they fancied a stint in the Championship, but that's obviously not the case and we sure as fuck can't force them, can we?

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Turkish

Turkish

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15 minutes ago, Master Bates said:

Dom Ballard, 2 hat tricks in 2 games, there's a striker...... 😁

Seems to be at that level where he’s smashing it at u21 level but not quite at the level for men’s football but needs to play. Hopefully will be part of the squad and brought on as sub when we are cruising with 3 and 4 goal leads later this season

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