Master Bates Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 25 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Apart from the bit where he said "who's next to leave the club? Everyone basically." I didn't notice that bit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 Just now, Ivan Katalinic's 'tache said: Weren't we supposedly linked at some point? Lamare Bogarde: Bristol Rovers bring back Aston Villa midfielder on loan - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66546053 They're going to have a decent season I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 We had a bloated squad because a lot of them were shit. Replacing shit players with useful players isn't squad bloat, it's squad depth. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 1 minute ago, verlaine1979 said: We had a bloated squad because a lot of them were shit. Replacing shit players with useful players isn't squad bloat, it's squad depth. What shit players have we replaced with useful ones? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 18 August, 2023 Author Share Posted 18 August, 2023 https://x.com/skyfootball/status/1692602792546852976?s=46&t=E_SG5P1uldI1rssVRH-xQg Leeds transfer window has been quite something. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Saints4Prem said: Are the goals bigger in the championship or the goalkeepers shorter? Some must think so if they worry about losing Che Adams who had many chances last season and missed most of them. I would rather let him go and bring in Piroe who seems to be a current goalscorer in the formation that the new manager plays. Doesnt Adams have two in two despite starting neither game? Edited 18 August, 2023 by Turkish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 3 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said: https://x.com/skyfootball/status/1692602792546852976?s=46&t=E_SG5P1uldI1rssVRH-xQg Leeds transfer window has been quite something. The locals are fuming 🤣🤣🤣🤣 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 1 minute ago, hypochondriac said: What shit players have we replaced with useful ones? To clarify - that's more a general aspirational point than an observation about our signings to date. At the moment we have 3 shit CBs and 1 potentially good one that doesn't want to play for us. If we allow the "trim the bloated squad" argument to dominate in the last two weeks, we're going to end up with a squad that's, well, shit. Same with our attackers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 18 August, 2023 Author Share Posted 18 August, 2023 1 minute ago, Turkish said: The locals are fuming 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Sad isn’t it. 😂 Not sure their outgoing DOF will venture back to Yorkshire in the near future! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 Just now, verlaine1979 said: To clarify - that's more a general aspirational point than an observation about our signings to date. At the moment we have 3 shit CBs and 1 potentially good one that doesn't want to play for us. If we allow the "trim the bloated squad" argument to dominate in the last two weeks, we're going to end up with a squad that's, well, shit. Same with our attackers. As has been said, the squad has been trimmed to a certain extent. From here I reckon we’re basically at a 1 in 1 out scenario. And, to be honest, with the exception of losing Salisu and DCC with none incoming, most of our major outgoings have seen a replacement in any case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 12 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said: Sad isn’t it. 😂 Not sure their outgoing DOF will venture back to Yorkshire in the near future! It’s hilarious. Giving it the big un when they got the new owner and Farke in, now they’re in meltdown, if you thought us lot was bad you sound spend an afternoon in the bar at my golf club 🤣🤣 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 1 hour ago, hypochondriac said: Well if that comes to pass I will absolutely give the club credit. Keeping kwp, Alcaraz and Tella will imo be a statement of intent that we are gunning for immediate automatic promotion. Assuming they both do go, would you be more aligned with pilchards and his opinion? Two things - I don’t believe he has any information of any significance - It will delend on our response really, not sure there has ever been a club that hasn’t lost its best players when they got relegated, depends on replacements and so far I think they’ve been sound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 Just now, Smirking_Saint said: Two things - I don’t believe he has any information of any significance - It will delend on our response really, not sure there has ever been a club that hasn’t lost its best players when they got relegated, depends on replacements and so far I think they’ve been sound Agreed. There’s always going to be a drop in quality but I think our replacements for everything bar CB has been good for this level, especially when you take into account the reintegration of Tella and Smallbone. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 14 minutes ago, Turkish said: It’s hilarious. Giving it the big un when they got the new owner and Farke in, now they’re in meltdown, if you thought us lot was bad you sound spend an afternoon in the bar at my golf club 🤣🤣 What??? Leeds fans with an unworldly sense of entitlement?? I would never have believed it. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 9 minutes ago, The Kraken said: Agreed. There’s always going to be a drop in quality but I think our replacements for everything bar CB has been good for this level, especially when you take into account the reintegration of Tella and Smallbone. Others seem to agree - not a bad summarisation https://www.givemesport.com/southampton-alcaraz-holgate-transfer-news-russell-martin/#southampton-transfer-news---latest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, The Kraken said: As has been said, the squad has been trimmed to a certain extent. From here I reckon we’re basically at a 1 in 1 out scenario. And, to be honest, with the exception of losing Salisu and DCC with none incoming, most of our major outgoings have seen a replacement in any case. Surely Stephens should be counted as an incoming replacing DCC? Edited 18 August, 2023 by Lord Duckhunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 21 minutes ago, Turkish said: It’s hilarious. Giving it the big un when they got the new owner and Farke in, now they’re in meltdown, if you thought us lot was bad you sound spend an afternoon in the bar at my golf club 🤣🤣 Mush on sky saying their players agreed 60% wage cuts when relegated but had clauses inserted that if X,Y or Z was met they could go on loan/be sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Smirking_Saint said: Pilchards doesn’t really know anything, of that Im confident WRONG! I told you in May that we need to offload 21 players and I have a very, very close source. We will get close to that target when Adams, KWP, Tella, Sully, Tall Paul, Mccarthey, Simeu plus some other squad players move on. (If we get the price that is set) I also told you that we had approached Nathan Jones way, way before he was even mentioned. I never even heard of Jones myself when I told you guys. Pie in the sky?!? Yeah right! I will also add that we took an interest in Carrick as the new manager at the start of the season but he was not interested in leaving the north. Have no idea if we offered him the job. Edited 18 August, 2023 by Pilchards 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said: Others seem to agree - not a bad summarisation https://www.givemesport.com/southampton-alcaraz-holgate-transfer-news-russell-martin/#southampton-transfer-news---latest If anything I think it’s a little bit of a dramatic article and kind of gives the idea that we haven’t done much business incoming. As I see it: Tino out; Manning in. Not like for like but balances us up at 2RB and 2LB. DCC out; Stephens in. Diallo, Lavia, JWP out; Smallbone, Charles, Downes (hopefully) in. Elyounoussi, Walcott out; Tella, Sam A-A in. Pruned with no replacement: Salisu, Orsic. As long as any more outgoings have a replacement incoming (which I think they mostly will, though I see the squad size still coming down by 1 or 2 more) then I’m alright with what we’ve done so far. Edited 18 August, 2023 by The Kraken DCC out / Stephens in 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 7 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Surely Stephens should be counted as an incoming replacing DCC? Yeah he could be to be fair actually. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 19 minutes ago, The Kraken said: Agreed. There’s always going to be a drop in quality but I think our replacements for everything bar CB has been good for this level, especially when you take into account the reintegration of Tella and Smallbone. Yeah agree, I think we needed a CB in before now, we know ABK is off and Lyanco isn’t up to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 (edited) Simeu's going nowhere now. Just came off with a nasty looking ankle injury Edited 18 August, 2023 by Master Bates 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 59 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said: https://x.com/skyfootball/status/1692602792546852976?s=46&t=E_SG5P1uldI1rssVRH-xQg Leeds transfer window has been quite something. I didn't know Bournemouth were going for Tyler Adams. Fair play to them they're doing some good business this summer. Well over £100m spent and some good players there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 18 minutes ago, Pilchards said: WRONG! I told you in May that we need to offload 21 players and I have a very, very close source. We will get close to that target when Adams, KWP, Tella, Sully, Tall Paul, Mccarthey, Simeu plus some other squad players move on. (If we get the price that is set) I also told you that we had approached Nathan Jones way, way before he was even mentioned. I never even heard of Jones myself when I told you guys. Pie in the sky?!? Yeah right! I will also add that we took an interest in Carrick as the new manager at the start of the season but he was not interested in leaving the north. Have no idea if we offered him the job. You got all that sat up a tree? Impressive. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 2 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said: You got all that sat up a tree? Impressive. That ones for the forum veterans. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 Amongst all the doom and gloom of what if's and maybe's it's worth remembering another comment made by Martin on Tuesday night, that certain players who wanted out after relegation have changed their minds and are happy to stay. He didn't name them but there were lots of smiles at SMS on Wednesday from SArmstrong, Adams, Tella and Alcaraz. 🤞 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 Just now, Charlie Wayman said: Amongst all the doom and gloom of what if's and maybe's it's worth remembering another comment made by Martin on Tuesday night, that certain players who wanted out after relegation have changed their minds and are happy to stay. He didn't name them but there were lots of smiles at SMS on Wednesday from SArmstrong, Adams, Tella and Alcaraz. 🤞 Pretty sure that was just Stuart Armstrong who is not a bad player but is someone who I wouldn't be devastated if we lost (particularly if they are going to play him in centre midfield.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 31 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Mush on sky saying their players agreed 60% wage cuts when relegated but had clauses inserted that if X,Y or Z was met they could go on loan/be sold. I was told they all have big wage cuts as part of their contacts but some players have really low releases clauses, at least one even has a clause that says if a premier league club comes in for them Leeds have to sell whatever the offer. This came from a decent source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 2 minutes ago, Turkish said: I was told they all have big wage cuts as part of their contacts but some players have really low releases clauses, at least one even has a clause that says if a premier league club comes in for them Leeds have to sell whatever the offer. This came from a decent source. Backed up I guess by Rodrigo, signed in 2020 for £27m but had a clause in his contract allowing him to leave for £3m. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 Just now, The Kraken said: Backed up I guess by Rodrigo, signed in 2020 for £27m but had a clause in his contract allowing him to leave for £3m. Yep classic example, plenty more like that to come by the sounds of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkoksaint Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 1 hour ago, Turkish said: It’s hilarious. Giving it the big un when they got the new owner and Farke in, now they’re in meltdown, if you thought us lot was bad you sound spend an afternoon in the bar at my golf club 🤣🤣 Forest Pines?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 Just now, bangkoksaint said: Forest Pines?! No mate played there over new year though. I’m a member of a club in Harrogate, quite a few well connected people there, plus a few former and current Leeds players and staff 😃 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 1 hour ago, FarehamSaintJames said: https://x.com/skyfootball/status/1692602792546852976?s=46&t=E_SG5P1uldI1rssVRH-xQg Leeds transfer window has been quite something. No wonder Farke has a face like a smacked arse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 16 minutes ago, Turkish said: I was told they all have big wage cuts as part of their contacts but some players have really low releases clauses, at least one even has a clause that says if a premier league club comes in for them Leeds have to sell whatever the offer. This came from a decent source. Lots of them had clauses inserted saying they can leave on loan if a PL side comes in for them. Hence Leeds have only managed to bring in £4 or £5 mill for all the players who have left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkshire Saint Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 Watching the Leeds game, the WBA keeper Palmer looks a talent. Some phenomenal saves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 Dom Ballard, 2 hat tricks in 2 games, there's a striker...... 😁 20230818_193450.mp4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkshire Saint Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said: Lots of them had clauses inserted saying they can leave on loan if a PL side comes in for them. Hence Leeds have only managed to bring in £4 or £5 mill for all the players who have left All.the players signed in the last 12 months of the former owner have. His leaving gift... couldn't happen to a nicer club...Peter Ridsdale days loom again. Edited 18 August, 2023 by Yorkshire Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkshire Saint Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 1 minute ago, Master Bates said: Dom Ballard, 2 hat tricks in 2 games, there's a striker...... 😁 20230818_193450.mp4 3 little birds 🤣 ❤ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coalman Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 1 minute ago, Master Bates said: Dom Ballard, 2 hat tricks in 2 games, there's a striker...... 😁 20230818_193450.mp4 So much this. If we're unable to offer him minutes then we're insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Fastenbüttl Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 You're all losing your minds about the club selling players who have proven they are thoroughly underequipped for life in the Prem - and life in the Prem is what awaits if we're successful in the Championship. What on earth would be the point in this whole exercise if we fight to keep hold of these players, claw our way back up to the top flight and then find ourselves in a similar position to that which got us relegated, with a team of fucking wasters who cannot score or defend? Are we really thinking RM is so talented that he can get things out of this squad that three successive managers have been unable to? We've all spent months and months and months begging for a clearout. Now we're getting it and y'all are kicking off? I just cannot fathom. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 2 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said: https://x.com/skyfootball/status/1692602792546852976?s=46&t=E_SG5P1uldI1rssVRH-xQg Leeds transfer window has been quite something. That can't be happening because what is happening at Saints is completely unprecedented. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 2 minutes ago, CB Fry said: That can't be happening because what is happening at Saints is completely unprecedented. Not quite the same thing though is it. Loan clauses in contracts mean it's an inevitability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obelisk Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 Offloading players that finished well adrift at the bottom of the EPL last season doesn't worry me particularly, especially if a good price is secured for them. Need to get rid of that losing mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesfp1 Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 Mad that Ballard hasn't been given a proper chance 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 3 minutes ago, CB Fry said: That can't be happening because what is happening at Saints is completely unprecedented. Dread to think what the whiners and moaners on here would be saying if we had Leeds summer window. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 8 minutes ago, Ralph Fastenbüttl said: You're all losing your minds about the club selling players who have proven they are thoroughly underequipped for life in the Prem - and life in the Prem is what awaits if we're successful in the Championship. What on earth would be the point in this whole exercise if we fight to keep hold of these players, claw our way back up to the top flight and then find ourselves in a similar position to that which got us relegated, with a team of fucking wasters who cannot score or defend? Are we really thinking RM is so talented that he can get things out of this squad that three successive managers have been unable to? We've all spent months and months and months begging for a clearout. Now we're getting it and y'all are kicking off? I just cannot fathom. Which players proved themselves unequipped for the prem? Jwp? Lavia? Tella? KWP? Tino? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 Just now, Golac's Cunning Stunts said: Dread to think what the whiners and moaners on here would be saying if we had Leeds summer window. I'd be saying the people in charge who negotiated those contracts are fucking idiots abd are largely at fault for the mess at Leeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Not quite the same thing though is it. Loan clauses in contracts mean it's an inevitability. So if Che and Sulemana and Tella etc all had loan clauses and just left more quickly that would have been better? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Fastenbüttl Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 1 minute ago, hypochondriac said: Which players proved themselves unequipped for the prem? Jwp? Lavia? Tella? KWP? Tino? Tella? Huh, OK 😘 But yeah - JWP, Lavia, KWP and Tino are all Prem quality for sure. No doubt. Which is precisely why they were guaranteed to leave when we lost our place in the Prem. Sure, it would have been just splendid had any of them decided they fancied a stint in the Championship, but that's obviously not the case and we sure as fuck can't force them, can we? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 18 August, 2023 Share Posted 18 August, 2023 15 minutes ago, Master Bates said: Dom Ballard, 2 hat tricks in 2 games, there's a striker...... 😁 20230818_193450.mp4 Seems to be at that level where he’s smashing it at u21 level but not quite at the level for men’s football but needs to play. Hopefully will be part of the squad and brought on as sub when we are cruising with 3 and 4 goal leads later this season 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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