SaintsFan86 Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 4 minutes ago, Ex Lion Tamer said: Genuine question but why do we need Grimes when we have Charles, Smallbone, Downes, Armstrong and Alcaraz covering the midfield slots? We might be better off with a young kid who'll be happy with max 10 games For me it's about depth tbh, If we only bring in Downes then we have Charles, Downes and Smallbone for those 2 Midfield positions. 4 is just a good amount and we should allow for suspensions and injury... not to mention there is allt of games this season to contend with too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsFan86 Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 1 minute ago, Sarisbury Saint said: Sorry, but I really can’t see how you think our attack is fine now. We need a striker without a doubt. We have 4 Strikers, 2 pf them have been banging them in already and with confidence they'll likely improve and be consistent too. Should we sell Che or another striker then yes we need to replace one. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint NL Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 2 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said: 4 is just a good amount and we should allow for suspensions and injury... not to mention there is allt of games this season to contend with too. The way the ref was dishing out the yellow cards versus Norwich, I think there will be a lot of suspensions over the course of the season. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsFan86 Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 Just now, Saint NL said: The way the ref was dishing out the yellow cards versus Norwich, I think there will be a lot of suspensions over the course of the season. Yeah, what was it, 9 yellows in the end? I heard that Rotherham had back to back red cards too in there previous two games. I can imagine we will see alot of rotation because of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 25 minutes ago, Ex Lion Tamer said: Genuine question but why do we need Grimes when we have Charles, Smallbone, Downes, Armstrong and Alcaraz covering the midfield slots? We might be better off with a young kid who'll be happy with max 10 games Smallbone could be injured for months. Charles is young and untested even at this level. Alcaraz is more suited to attacking positions. We absolutely need Downes and one other. We don't want to destroy the youth pathway but Doyle aside we don't have a lot of kids coming through in CM right now and we have a long, hard season ahead. 18 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said: We have 4 Strikers, 2 pf them have been banging them in already and with confidence they'll likely improve and be consistent too. Should we sell Che or another striker then yes we need to replace one. "Banging them in" is not the phrase I would use. Armstrong has scored 3 goals, one he knew nothing about and 2 were penalties (though decent, it is still a free shot on goal). He works hard but he wouldn't be my first choice (unless he played wide). Che has 2 (admittedly good) goals but I wouldn't expect him to be prolific over the season. We definitely need another striker already IMO, we're just too heavily stocked with crap. If (and probably when) Che goes, and if we can offload Onuachu and/or Mara we'll need two. Ballard as 4th choice should be fine. Line up with Piroe in attack instead of AA and I think he instantly improves us. I quite like AA for work rate but he's currently our modern day Shane Long. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Troy Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 31 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said: We have 4 Strikers, 2 pf them have been banging them in already and with confidence they'll likely improve and be consistent too. Should we sell Che or another striker then yes we need to replace one. If one of the two that’s been banging them in is Armstrong then you may have seen his goals on teletext only! Offers so little movement in the centre (although much greater movement out wide). There’s a need for a good striker for sure - if they are already at the club or not is up for debate, never a better chance to blood Ballard. If che stays and plays I agree he’s going to score a good amount Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsFan86 Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 1 minute ago, Saint Troy said: If one of the two that’s been banging them in is Armstrong then you may have seen his goals on teletext only! Offers so little movement in the centre (although much greater movement out wide). There’s a need for a good striker for sure - if they are already at the club or not is up for debate, never a better chance to blood Ballard. If che stays and plays I agree he’s going to score a good amount As I have said, we need to shift a striker before we bring one in, and one won't come in until we do. That's the reality. I've watched Arma, although Che has looked better.. Arma has made alot of runs into the box that just don't get picked up. Also those penalties will just increase his confidence and help him scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 Nixon saying Everton leading the chase for Che Adams with four PL clubs keen. He will be cheap for a PL side and with a year left on his contract you can imagine a deal will be done. The signing(s) to replce him will be the key one for us. Get it wrong and it will be very hard to get promoted I think. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Troy Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 15 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said: As I have said, we need to shift a striker before we bring one in, and one won't come in until we do. That's the reality. I've watched Arma, although Che has looked better.. Arma has made alot of runs into the box that just don't get picked up. Also those penalties will just increase his confidence and help him scoring. I didn’t read your post like that - read it more that we don’t need to replace because they’re banging them in and will improve. I just don’t see Armstrong scoring the goals to take us up that che could. Thought his movement 1st half was ok / poor. When we’re static at the back it’s a hard job for him I admit but didn’t think he offered much at all. If someone is going to stay static up top they need to be able to win headed ball. Ches movement, including dropping a little meant we had players between lines and it opened up space in a way Adam couldn’t manage. Liked him wide, liver his effort and do hope he’ll do well but not sure we play in a way that is ideal for his talents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 If the right offer comes in for Che then that is that he’s off. With him able to leave on a free next season then it’s a no brainer to get a good striker in as a replacement. I’m confident to say it’s going to be Piroe. Personally I wouldn’t want Che wearing a Saints shirt in the premiership ever again as he’s fucking shit. Some of those misses from 3 yards out were embarrassing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie May Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 Just now, Pilchards said: If the right offer comes in for Che then that is that he’s off. With him able to leave on a free next season then it’s a no brainer to get a good striker in as a replacement. I’m confident to say it’s going to be Piroe. Personally I wouldn’t want Che wearing a Saints shirt in the premiership ever again as he’s fucking shit. Some of those misses from 3 yards out were embarrassing. We’d be on a solitary point if it wasn’t for Che so far this season. Swings and roundabouts. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_SFC Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 6 minutes ago, Pilchards said: If the right offer comes in for Che then that is that he’s off. With him able to leave on a free next season then it’s a no brainer to get a good striker in as a replacement. I’m confident to say it’s going to be Piroe. Personally I wouldn’t want Che wearing a Saints shirt in the premiership ever again as he’s fucking shit. Some of those misses from 3 yards out were embarrassing. Safe to say you're not his biggest fan. Don't get me wrong, his finishing is poor but he certainly isn't "fucking shit". 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osvaldorama Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 10 minutes ago, Pilchards said: If the right offer comes in for Che then that is that he’s off. With him able to leave on a free next season then it’s a no brainer to get a good striker in as a replacement. I’m confident to say it’s going to be Piroe. Personally I wouldn’t want Che wearing a Saints shirt in the premiership ever again as he’s fucking shit. Some of those misses from 3 yards out were embarrassing. Ridiculous post. Easily our best striker and definitely upper championship / lower PL level 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gallaghert366@yahoo.com Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 51 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said: Also those penalties will just increase his confidence and help him scoring. Laughable! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obelisk Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 One of the highlights of my day is to pop in here each evening, look at this thread and find out that nothing is happening. Keep it up folks and roll on the end of this never ending transfer window. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petermcpete Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 2 hours ago, egg said: Yeah, I mean every penny will be for new players 🤦♂️ Obviously not, but £16m out of £115m isn't a significant % is it? I'm sure you're clever enough to do the maths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsFan86 Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 Harwood-Bellis seems close to signing for Leicester. Gutted if he ends up there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 Just now, SaintsFan86 said: Harwood-Bellis seems close to signing for Leicester. Gutted if he ends up there. We're not going to be signing a CB until we lose at least 1 of ours though, that's the prob we have. We were probably counting on either ABK or Lyanco being gone by now, but they're still here. Obviously not complaining if ABK stays, but worst case is that we get a bid on the last day and all of our targets have been taken by other clubs by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 9 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: We're not going to be signing a CB until we lose at least 1 of ours though, that's the prob we have. We were probably counting on either ABK or Lyanco being gone by now, but they're still here. Obviously not complaining if ABK stays, but worst case is that we get a bid on the last day and all of our targets have been taken by other clubs by then. You’d like to hope that some players would only be allowed to leave if it’s feasible to replace. For me that would include Che, ABK, Tella and KWP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDog07 Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 On 14/08/2023 at 08:15, Turkish said: Going to be a busy week fellow saints fans! Lots going on I thought I remember reading this - I’m still waiting for something to happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsaint1 Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 19 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: We're not going to be signing a CB until we lose at least 1 of ours though, that's the prob we have. We were probably counting on either ABK or Lyanco being gone by now, but they're still here. Obviously not complaining if ABK stays, but worst case is that we get a bid on the last day and all of our targets have been taken by other clubs by then. And yet Leicester are currently sitting on 5 CBs themselves with Faes, Coady, Doyle, Souttar and Vestergaard 🤷🏼♂️ This waiting until we move one out will result in our top targets going elsewhere and with us hoaking through the bargain/loan bin on deadline day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsaint1 Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 26 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said: Harwood-Bellis seems close to signing for Leicester. Gutted if he ends up there. That seems to be some Leicester fan account claiming to be in the know. Not been mentioned by any reliable source as yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 6 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said: And yet Leicester are currently sitting on 5 CBs themselves with Faes, Coady, Doyle, Souttar and Vestergaard 🤷🏼♂️ This waiting until we move one out will result in our top targets going elsewhere and with us hoaking through the bargain/loan bin on deadline day. Which is something we’re going to have to live with in order to remain financially stable and balance the books. We still need a net five attacking players out the door in order to have a reasonable sized squad, without bringing anyone in at all. All the talk of ‘clearing out the deadwood’ which seems to crop up when a team gets relegated is just that; talk. In reality these players will be no easier to shift than the likes of Boufal, Carrillo and Clasie were in the PL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 2 hours ago, Ex Lion Tamer said: Genuine question but why do we need Grimes when we have Charles, Smallbone, Downes, Armstrong and Alcaraz covering the midfield slots? We might be better off with a young kid who'll be happy with max 10 games Because Grimes can make pinpoint passes that none of them can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 7 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: Which is something we’re going to have to live with in order to remain financially stable and balance the books. We still need a net five attacking players out the door in order to have a reasonable sized squad, without bringing anyone in at all. All the talk of ‘clearing out the deadwood’ which seems to crop up when a team gets relegated is just that; talk. In reality these players will be no easier to shift than the likes of Boufal, Carrillo and Clasie were in the PL. As some of us said previously… you really aren’t going to have clubs queuing up to snatch Djenepo, Lyanco etc off our hands.. Id imagine we’ll see a few loans in the next week That said I do expect a minimum of 2/3 incomings before window ends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galway saint Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 6 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: Which is something we’re going to have to live with in order to remain financially stable and balance the books. We still need a net five attacking players out the door in order to have a reasonable sized squad, without bringing anyone in at all. All the talk of ‘clearing out the deadwood’ which seems to crop up when a team gets relegated is just that; talk. In reality these players will be no easier to shift than the likes of Boufal, Carrillo and Clasie were in the PL. We have had a cycle of signing shit players, trying to shift them and when we do signing more shit players and rinse and repeat. Sometime we even compound it by offering new contracts to the shit players whose contract is about to expire. The window so far has been a damp squib on the incoming front. As I said earlier we look likely to shift the decent players and get a few random loans in. Also people who think we are off better off rid of adams are deluded 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 2 hours ago, Saint Troy said: If one of the two that’s been banging them in is Armstrong then you may have seen his goals on teletext only! Offers so little movement in the centre (although much greater movement out wide). There’s a need for a good striker for sure - if they are already at the club or not is up for debate, never a better chance to blood Ballard. If che stays and plays I agree he’s going to score a good amount Armstrong certainly hasn't scored the goals we'd hoped he would. However, at the fans forum RM stated that he's never been played in the right way and I completely agree with this. The guy has lived off scraps. Now whether RM can get the side playing to Armstrong's strengths is another matter but I believe he is a genuine goalscorer who has been used in completely the wrong way. Nobody can tell me he's missed dozens of chances because he just hasn't had many in the system employed since he was signed. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 (edited) 32 minutes ago, GDog07 said: I thought I remember reading this - I’m still waiting for something to happen It’s very very busy, our chairman is working incredibly hard behind the scenes. The pieces are falling into place. When you stare at the kettle waiting for it to boil it seems to take an eternity when you’re busy doing other things it seems to happen very quickly both amounts of time are the same it’s your perception that’s differ Edited 17 August, 2023 by Turkish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 My usual barometer of chatting to some mates who don't bother with any online stuff and there's certainly some murmurs of discontent about the lack of activity over the past week or so. We really need to get a few in after the departure of jwp and likely Lavia shortly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 5 minutes ago, Turkish said: our chairman is working incredibly hard behind the scenes Thought Wilcox was dealing with it all transfer wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: My usual barometer of chatting to some mates who don't bother with any online stuff and there's certainly some murmurs of discontent about the lack of activity over the past week or so. We really need to get a few in after the departure of jwp and likely Lavia shortly. If they aren’t a paid up member of here they aren’t real fans 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 3 minutes ago, Turkish said: It’s very very busy, our chairman is working incredibly hard behind the scenes. The pieces are falling into place You'll all see at the end of the window. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 2 minutes ago, CB Fry said: You'll all see at the end of the window. As a saints fan whose premier league team is Man City, the next two weeks are one of the most exciting periods we’ve ever had as a club. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 40 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said: And yet Leicester are currently sitting on 5 CBs themselves with Faes, Coady, Doyle, Souttar and Vestergaard 🤷🏼♂️ This waiting until we move one out will result in our top targets going elsewhere and with us hoaking through the bargain/loan bin on deadline day. maybe the fact they still have five CBs on their books explains why they also have not signed Harwood-Bellis either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, CB Fry said: You'll all see at the end of the window. 'Miracle occurs as blind fans suddenly regain sight' Edited 17 August, 2023 by Master Bates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forester Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 3 hours ago, Sarisbury Saint said: Sorry, but I really can’t see how you think our attack is fine now. We need a striker without a doubt. Probably because, uniquely, we have two strikers who when last in the championship scored over twenty goals each. I agree a back up would be nice in case of injury, but how you can say the attack is not fine with those stats is puzzling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 13 minutes ago, Chez said: maybe the fact they still have five CBs on their books explains why they also have not signed Harwood-Bellis either. Or maybe we like the Bristol City defender more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 20 minutes ago, Galway saint said: As I said earlier we look likely to shift the decent players and get a few random loans in. What is a random loan? Is Downes one of these `random loans' you mention? Terms like scattergun and random are meaningless. All that matters is if the loans bring in players that are good and perform well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galway saint Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 Just now, Chez said: What is a random loan? Is Downes one of these `random loans' you mention? Terms like scattergun and random are meaningless. All that matters is if the loans bring in players that are good and perform well. No downes looks to have some thought to it by random I mean typically last minute lacking purpose and thought and involving a bit of panic A classic random loan was maitland Niles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 Another one closer to the exit? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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woodsaint1 Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 1 minute ago, Ivan Katalinic's 'tache said: Another one closer to the exit? We'll see if he features at the weekend. If he doesn't then we'll be even more depleted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galway saint Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ivan Katalinic's 'tache said: Another one closer to the exit? Good let’s get him out of the door - hopefully that rules him out for Saturday and we can get Mara more involved 8 12 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 22 minutes ago, Chez said: What is a random loan? Is Downes one of these `random loans' you mention? Terms like scattergun and random are meaningless. All that matters is if the loans bring in players that are good and perform well. Unfortunately Downes has permaschitz syndrome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 10 minutes ago, Galway saint said: Good let’s get him out of the door - hopefully that rules him out for Saturday and we can get Mara more involved Mara 😂 😂 😂 involved 😆 😆 💩 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 35 minutes ago, Galway saint said: Good let’s get him out of the door - hopefully that rules him out for Saturday and we can get Mara more involved I hope that was satire. As cack as Adams is, he looks like Shearer compared to Mara. I'd be surprised I'd we ever saw Mara in a Saints shirt again after the Gillingham game and Russell's interview afterwards which basically translated as "I didn't rate him before the game and I rate him even less now" 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Michael Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 39 minutes ago, Galway saint said: Good let’s get him out of the door - hopefully that rules him out for Saturday and we can get Mara more involved Are you serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat from Poole Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 44 minutes ago, Galway saint said: Good let’s get him out of the door - hopefully that rules him out for Saturday and we can get Mara more involved And that will help us how exactly? If only we could sell Mara back to Bordeaux… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 1 hour ago, Ivan Katalinic's 'tache said: Another one closer to the exit? £12m feels ridiculously low. Worth £20m surely? Not that I want him to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 17 August, 2023 Share Posted 17 August, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Osvaldorama said: Ridiculous post. Easily our best striker and definitely upper championship / lower PL level Agree, I'd like to keep him , would rather not sell to Everton if he must go Edited 17 August, 2023 by JRM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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