hypochondriac Posted 11 August, 2023 Share Posted 11 August, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, The Juice said: I say the following in the context of having never consciously watched Piroe nor being aware of him until his name appeared on here. But, I am a little concerned that he is being heralded as some kind of super striker that is going to get 20 goals and solve the all pervasive striker issues of the past few seasons. Surely we need more than just him even if he is any good?? Well he got 19 last year and 22 two years ago for an inferior Swansea team. I'd say if he comes in that it would be very likely that he gets at least 15+ assuming he stays fit. Edited 11 August, 2023 by hypochondriac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Scott Posted 11 August, 2023 Share Posted 11 August, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, The Juice said: I say the following in the context of having never consciously watched Piroe nor being aware of him until his name appeared on here. But, I am a little concerned that he is being heralded as some kind of super striker that is going to get 20 goals and solve the all pervasive striker issues of the past few seasons. Surely we need more than just him even if he is any good?? Championship 21/22 Appearances: 45 / Goals: 22 Championship 22/23 Appearances: 43 / Goals: 19 The players he'll have around him here are a step up from Swansea. He seems to stay fit, is a good age and a natural finisher whether he is less 'mobile' or not Edited 11 August, 2023 by Saint Scott Appearances error 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 11 August, 2023 Share Posted 11 August, 2023 Schedenfraude is not classy, but fuck it. Let's all laugh at the entitled, scummy scousers. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 11 August, 2023 Share Posted 11 August, 2023 13 minutes ago, Saint Scott said: The players he'll have around him here are a step up from Swansea. He seems to stay fit, is a good age and a natural finisher whether he is less 'mobile' or not I’m not too concerned about this ‘mobility’ issue now raised. Same could easily be said of Lambert when he joined us, or Kane. Doesn’t seem to have hampered their progress and goalscoring. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 11 August, 2023 Share Posted 11 August, 2023 5 minutes ago, Badger said: I’m not too concerned about this ‘mobility’ issue now raised. Same could easily be said of Lambert when he joined us, or Kane. Doesn’t seem to have hampered their progress and goalscoring. We are also in desperate need of a talisman in this league. Piroe would give us that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 11 August, 2023 Share Posted 11 August, 2023 7 minutes ago, Badger said: I’m not too concerned about this ‘mobility’ issue now raised. Same could easily be said of Lambert when he joined us, or Kane. Doesn’t seem to have hampered their progress and goalscoring. We desperately need a guy that gets in the right position, gets his body position right and just finishes the fucking thing. No excuses. A few from outside the box would be nice too. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 11 August, 2023 Share Posted 11 August, 2023 1 hour ago, Chez said: Che walks on a free next season. Makes financial sense to sell him this summer and spend it on Piroe. We break even as apposed to needing to find £12-15m next season on another Piroe. I guess you could keep Che and hope Pirie signs on a free next season. I read Piroe perhaps wanted to go to Italy as a free agent next year Joel Piroe's Swansea City future explained and what could change everything by the end of the month - Wales Online Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 11 August, 2023 Share Posted 11 August, 2023 3 minutes ago, John B said: I read Piroe perhaps wanted to go to Italy as a free agent next year Joel Piroe's Swansea City future explained and what could change everything by the end of the month - Wales Online I would take that article with a pinch of salt. If we offer him a big fat contract he probably won't say no. He will want to progress, earn more and move up. If he thinks we are better positioned than Swansea to do that he will jump at the move now rather than wait another year. That said, how appealing we really are, I don't know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Keef Posted 11 August, 2023 Share Posted 11 August, 2023 How about.....Chelsea get Lavia for £50+m and then.....wait for it.....have so many midfield players, they loan him back to us for a season. Obviously my medication has just kicked in, but would that be a "Scouse Headfuck" or what? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodymatt Posted 11 August, 2023 Share Posted 11 August, 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 11 August, 2023 Share Posted 11 August, 2023 2 minutes ago, Saint Keef said: How about.....Chelsea get Lavia for £50+m and then.....wait for it.....have so many midfield players, they loan him back to us for a season. Obviously my medication has just kicked in, but would that be a "Scouse Headfuck" or what? I shouldn’t really have to say this but no one, not even Chelsea, buys a 50M player and immediately loans him out 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 11 August, 2023 Share Posted 11 August, 2023 5 minutes ago, goodymatt said: Could well be all to good to be true. He's a childhood WHU fan, he probably doesn't really want to go anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 11 August, 2023 Share Posted 11 August, 2023 5 minutes ago, goodymatt said: You'd think Moyes would have a big say on the make up of his own squad. Sounds like it's out of his hands, which considering their summer signings seems strange (the types he wanted). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 11 August, 2023 Share Posted 11 August, 2023 8 minutes ago, goodymatt said: Strange. I thought the consensus was that the West Ham board and coaching staff rate Downes but Moyes didn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 11 August, 2023 Share Posted 11 August, 2023 2 minutes ago, CB Fry said: Could well be all to good to be true. He's a childhood WHU fan, he probably doesn't really want to go anywhere. He doesn't want to go, Moyes doesn't want him to go. How does this deal happen? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 11 August, 2023 Share Posted 11 August, 2023 1 minute ago, Bad Wolf said: Strange. I thought the consensus was that the West Ham board and coaching staff rate Downes but Moyes didn't? It's hard to know what to believe, but with Soucek not playing well many fans thought he should be playing more. Moyes stuck with tried and tested, as he so often does. Doesn't mean he doesn't rate Downes I guess, he just likes having Soucek offering that goal threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodymatt Posted 11 August, 2023 Share Posted 11 August, 2023 He’s not mad keen… but wants Prowsey. Prowsey has completed his medical today but no announcement expected until later with him aiming for training on Monday. I wonder if final details include ensuring Downes is all sorted? I hope it is all timed together to make sure he doesn’t get loaned elsewhere, of course, we only want players who want to be here though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSA96 Posted 11 August, 2023 Share Posted 11 August, 2023 6 minutes ago, Chez said: He doesn't want to go, Moyes doesn't want him to go. How does this deal happen? Because Moyes is just saving face publicly because he knows how the fans feel about it but ultimately, if we’re digging our heels in on Downes in order for them to get JWP, they have to play ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 11 August, 2023 Share Posted 11 August, 2023 13 minutes ago, CSA96 said: Because Moyes is just saving face publicly because he knows how the fans feel about it but ultimately, if we’re digging our heels in on Downes in order for them to get JWP, they have to play ball. Ultimately it will be down to the player. If Palace are an option, he will likely take that. Not sure the JWP deal will fall through. This is why swap deals are rare. Too many moving parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 11 August, 2023 Share Posted 11 August, 2023 The Martin pre-match comments tell me that both ABK and Sulemana will depart before this window closes. Che looks likely. Nothing is certain, but you have to be realistic. So, just KWP and Alcaraz left of those that I expected to have Prem interest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 11 August, 2023 Share Posted 11 August, 2023 Genk still interested in Onuachu, but they will want him at a bargain price. Not sure how it will work financially. His wages must be too high for them. Last day of window move I suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 11 August, 2023 Share Posted 11 August, 2023 58 minutes ago, Chez said: Genk still interested in Onuachu, but they will want him at a bargain price. Not sure how it will work financially. His wages must be too high for them. Last day of window move I suspect. Years loan on at least 50% wages best bet. Then hope he scores 20+ goals over there, then flog him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 27 minutes ago, skintsaint said: Years loan on at least 50% wages best bet. Then hope he scores 2 goals over there, then flog him. Amended that to be more realistic for you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 2 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said: Amended that to be more realistic for you. Didn't he score something silly like 65 goals in three seasons there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 6 hours ago, goodymatt said: Moyes doesn't want him to come here, Downes probably doesn't want to be here, literally being used as a bargaining chip by whoever is organising the transfer...doesn't sound ideal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashnats Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 More Burnley racism at the man city game yesterday - would be surprised if Tella would still be keen to go there after their last few weeks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodymatt Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 Remember this guy? It was rumoured that we nearly signed him in January and were hoping to pick it up again this summer. Not sure if that was true but I’d expect relegation killed opportunities like this and Borges. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie May Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 1 hour ago, Saint_clark said: Moyes doesn't want him to come here, Downes probably doesn't want to be here, literally being used as a bargaining chip by whoever is organising the transfer...doesn't sound ideal. Exactly - and it’ll will leave us having to deal with the unfortunate fallout when Flynn Downes tools. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 1 hour ago, Saint_clark said: Moyes doesn't want him to come here, Downes probably doesn't want to be here, literally being used as a bargaining chip by whoever is organising the transfer...doesn't sound ideal. I think Bednarek proved last season that you should always exercise caution with words that will always be analysed by fans at the loaning club and the loaned to club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 23 minutes ago, ashnats said: More Burnley racism at the man city game yesterday - would be surprised if Tella would still be keen to go there after their last few weeks. What happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvictaSaint Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 What was the 'missile'...??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 1 minute ago, Weston Super Saint said: What was the 'missile'...??? A rolled up flyer about freeing some Saints player… 1 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvictaSaint Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 2 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: What was the 'missile'...??? A cigarette lighter apparently…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustapha Fag Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 1 minute ago, InvictaSaint said: A cigarette lighter apparently…. With a nuclear payload don't forget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 Let's identify the person and start a campaign asking for him to be freed. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob60 Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 8 hours ago, Chez said: The Martin pre-match comments tell me that both ABK and Sulemana will depart before this window closes. Che looks likely. Nothing is certain, but you have to be realistic. So, just KWP and Alcaraz left of those that I expected to have Prem interest. Listened and did not get that feeling at all, says he wants to get them on the pitch as they would help us a lot but then adds that ABK has interest but nothing concrete. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 8 hours ago, Chez said: Ultimately it will be down to the player. If Palace are an option, he will likely take that. Not sure the JWP deal will fall through. This is why swap deals are rare. Too many moving parts. Spoke to a Palace fan at work yesterday and he didn't think they were actively looking at central midfield. Ultimately Martin puts a lot of store in the character of the player and their ability to buy into "the project" so I'd imagine, given his history with the player, that he should already be aware of whether Downes wants to come here or not. I'd be surprised if the deal has got as far as it apparently has if Downes doesn't fancy it. Palace fan also reckoned the talk there was that Che's agent is working overtime trying to hawk him around clubs and get a move back to the prem. In the case of Palace, they're not interested but explains all the recent links around Adams. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 22 minutes ago, revolution saint said: Palace fan also reckoned the talk there was that Che's agent is working overtime trying to hawk him around clubs and get a move back to the prem. In the case of Palace, they're not interested but explains all the recent links around Adams. I wonder if Adams is one of the players Wilcox was referring to when he mentioned some players being nowhere near as good as they think they are? (paraphrased as I can’t recall the exact words) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 9 hours ago, goodymatt said: A couple of big clubs? How disgraceful we should pull the JWP deal because of his disrespectful comments 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 1 minute ago, Turkish said: A couple of big clubs? How disgraceful we should pull the JWP deal because of his disrespectful comments I took it that he was bracketing us as a big club. But with all the ambiguity around that statement I think we should pull the deal also. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 9 hours ago, Chez said: He doesn't want to go, Moyes doesn't want him to go. How does this deal happen? I’d have thought the player just wants to play regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 They still think there is a chance bless ‘em https://www.thisisanfield.com/2023/08/moises-caicedo-liverpool-transfer-latest/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 2 minutes ago, Convict Colony said: Good move for him. Glad it’s screwed Liverpool over as predicted earlier this week. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 To be honest aside from the liverpool screw over I would prefer him to go to a manager who likes young players and will play him. Him, Caicedo and Fernadez in the midfield for chelsea will be immense. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 4 minutes ago, Convict Colony said: To be honest aside from the liverpool screw over I would prefer him to go to a manager who likes young players and will play him. Him, Caicedo and Fernadez in the midfield for chelsea will be immense. We’ve seem to have quite a good relationship with Chelsea aside from the Joe Shields debacle so hopefully we can extend our signings of youth team players beyond Man City. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 18 minutes ago, Convict Colony said: To be honest aside from the liverpool screw over I would prefer him to go to a manager who likes young players and will play him. Him, Caicedo and Fernadez in the midfield for chelsea will be immense. I think he’d of played for either tbf Id like to understand how Poch is going to fit Lavia, Caicedo and Enzo into a midfield trio tbh Lavia and Caicedo are basically 6’s.. Caicedo could probably do a job as a more expressive 6, and Enzo is probably more of an 8.. but none of them are hugely expansive and I think Poch likes a 4231 Not that I really care.. Klopps getting done over, and Im here for it 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint NL Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 Harry Kane gone to Bayern - official. This year's premier League will be pretty good I think, Man City far better than everyone else, Luton and Sheff Utd will far worse, but most other clubs are fairly matched. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 August, 2023 Share Posted 12 August, 2023 5 minutes ago, Saint NL said: Harry Kane gone to Bayern - official. This year's premier League will be pretty good I think, Man City far better than everyone else, Luton and Sheff Utd will far worse, but most other clubs are fairly matched. Chelsea should be strong with a very good manager and some good signings, Arsenal might struggle to live up to last year but will be good again. Man United improving under Ten Hag, Newcastle improving. City should win it again but the think it’ll be closer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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