Summer Transfer Window 2023

[Dusic]

Whilst he was only playing at National League level, Nico Lawrence did very well at Torquay and won their Young Player of the Year.

Not saying he will come back and be a starter but will be interesting to see whether he gets a chance in pre season. He is very good on the ball which will presumably appeal for RM.

Otherwise agree that I don't see any of the loanees making an impact aside from Tella (if somehow he stays) and Smallbone.

[SaintNewForest]

Watts is out of contract, and presumably will be released. 

Could see Simeu potentially stepping up into a backup role, but can't see a place for the rest of them.

Vokins is a weird one - went on loan to Woking (in the conference) last summer, couldn't get in their team, we recalled him in January but he hasn't been seen or heard from since. 

[S-Clarke]

6 minutes ago, SaintNewForest said:

Watts is out of contract, and presumably will be released. 

Could see Simeu potentially stepping up into a backup role, but can't see a place for the rest of them.

Vokins is a weird one - went on loan to Woking (in the conference) last summer, couldn't get in their team, we recalled him in January but he hasn't been seen or heard from since. 

Vokins was rated at one point, but I don't see him going much further than non-league in his career.

Probably needs to drop down to Conference South and work his way back up, he may make it as a league player - but no higher than L2, just don't think he's got it.

[DT]

Forest want Che Adams. *Puts hand up to volunteer driving him up there

(Pretty sure he wouldn't know where to go as he doesn't seem to know where goalposts are)

What a shit, shit player.

[Turkish]

14 hours ago, Suhari said:

Come back MLG. The forum needs you.

MLG and Andrew on the same twitter thread. What a time to be alive.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

8 minutes ago, DT said:

Forest want Che Adams. *Puts hand up to volunteer driving him up there

(Pretty sure he wouldn't know where to go as he doesn't seem to know where goalposts are)

What a shit, shit player.

Very harsh in my opinion. Adams is decent when played in a two. 

[LegalEagle]

11 minutes ago, DT said:

Forest want Che Adams. *Puts hand up to volunteer driving him up there

(Pretty sure he wouldn't know where to go as he doesn't seem to know where goalposts are)

What a shit, shit player.

Sorry DT but you’re wrong. As Lee said above, in a two with some decent service he could certainly score 20 goals in the Championship. Put him in a decent Premiership team and he wouldn’t be shabby. He’s had to play with our shower of shite for the last three years. Yes he misses quite a few one on ones but to describe him as shit and shit again, is wrong. There’s a decent footballer in there.

[DT]

8 minutes ago, LegalEagle said:

Sorry DT but you’re wrong. As Lee said above, in a two with some decent service he could certainly score 20 goals in the Championship. Put him in a decent Premiership team and he wouldn’t be shabby. He’s had to play with our shower of shite for the last three years. Yes he misses quite a few one on ones but to describe him as shit and shit again, is wrong. There’s a decent footballer in there.

Okay just shit. Cannot believe a professional footballer could miss some of those chances, such as that howler v Wolves. Atrocious. And thinks he's really good.

[FarehamSaintJames]

3 hours ago, Saint86 said:

I find myself siding with MLG in that particular social media debate... 😄

Same. It feels weird… 🤣

[FarehamSaintJames]

Che Adams is a decent player. 

But he hasn’t taken his chances when he’s had them. He lacks a lot of composure.

[ally_uk]

Kool could we get Danny Ings ? 🤣

Some say he is finished at prem level..... 

[Chez]

15 hours ago, Rebel said:

Does anyone think any of the young players out on loan will return and get a place in the squad next season, apart from Tella and Smallbone? 

What about Caleb Watts, Kegs Chauke, Dynel Simeu, Dan N’Lundulu, Kazeem Olaigabe, Thierry Small, Jack Bycroft?

Surely Watts, Olaigabe and Chauke can give us some depth in midfield.

And what about Jake Vokins - he’s already back from loan. Could he provide cover at left back?

And could Lewis Payne provide competition at right back?

Thierry Small has been linked to Rangers today https://www.rangersnews.uk/news/thierry-small-eyed-by-rangers-after-premier-league-interest/

Simeu lost his place in League 1 Morecombe's starting line up towards the end of the season, so not sure he is ready.

Vokins has never looked good enough and has been plying his trade at National League Woking. I don't think he will be in our squad next season.  

Caleb Watts has also struggled to get in the Morecombe side, starting one game since the end of January.

N'Lundulu has mostly come on as a sub at Bolton and has been `uninspiring' according to a Bolton fan I know.

Kegs Chauke hardly figured for league 1 Exeter City until the final month of the season, whereupon he started the last 6 games. We will have a gaping hole in central midfield of course.

Kazeem Olaigbe was a fixture in the Harrogate Town side in the second half of the season. I think he has scored a few goals too. Turkish may have a view on him, but it's League 2, so it would be a big step up. 

Jack Bycroft has been playing for Taunton in the National League South. Oliver Wright may become our third choice keeper - both are 20.

[woodsaint1]

39 minutes ago, DT said:

Okay just shit. Cannot believe a professional footballer could miss some of those chances, such as that howler v Wolves. Atrocious. And thinks he's really good.

Would be a bit odd for a striker who has over 120 appearances in the best league in the world to think he's not good enough.

He's been good for us - at times very good, but that has to be balanced with his wastefulness in front of goal. If he stays, he could certainly be an asset for us next season.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

2 minutes ago, Chez said:

Thierry Small has been linked to Rangers today https://www.rangersnews.uk/news/thierry-small-eyed-by-rangers-after-premier-league-interest/

Simeu lost his place in League 1 Morecombe's starting line up towards the end of the season, so not sure he is ready.

Vokins has never looked good enough and has been plying his trade at National League Woking. I don't think he will be in our squad next season.  

Caleb Watts has also struggled to get in the Morecombe side, starting one game since the end of January.

N'Lundulu has mostly come on as a sub at Bolton and has been `uninspiring' according to a Bolton fan I know.

Kegs Chauke hardly figured for league 1 Exeter City until the final month of the season, whereupon he started the last 6 games. We will have a gaping hole in central midfield of course.

Kazeem Olaigbe was a fixture in the Harrogate Town side in the second half of the season. I think he has scored a few goals too. Turkish may have a view on him, but it's League 2, so it would be a big step up. 

Jack Bycroft has been playing for Taunton in the National League South. Oliver Wright may become our third choice keeper - both are 20.

There's no point in keeping any of these guys around. For the sake of their careers they need to move on, I know they have contracts with us, but we shouldn't be loaning them out every season. Look what happened to Simms. 

[Chez]

11 minutes ago, ally_uk said:

Kool could we get Danny Ings ? 🤣

Some say he is finished at prem level..... 

he has two more years left on his contract. Unless West Ham are willing to pay a huge chunk of his wages, he ain't playing for a Championship side. Far too expensive.

[Chez]

We need a left back. Larios and Small might be options, but if not, I wonder if Ruben Vinagre might be a possibility. Sporting Lisbon don't seem all that keen on him, loaning him out to Everton, where he hasn't played a single minute. Whenever I saw him for Wolves I thought he looked technically great and very exciting going forward. Not sure about him defensively - not seen enough. But the left back position continues to be a problem that needs solving.

[disconnect]

12 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

There's no point in keeping any of these guys around. For the sake of their careers they need to move on, I know they have contracts with us, but we shouldn't be loaning them out every season. Look what happened to Simms. 

Simeu could be decent I reckon, and Olaigbe and Chauke have a chance of being squad options in the next year or two, but Vokins, N'Lundulu and Watts almost certainly not good enough sadly. 

Small is a weird one - signed for good money for a youngster and was very highly rated. Looks very good going forward, but potentially a bit suspect at defending? Loans have been mixed, but still young. 

Edited 24 May, 2023 by disconnect

[Chez]

25 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

There's no point in keeping any of these guys around. For the sake of their careers they need to move on, I know they have contracts with us, but we shouldn't be loaning them out every season. Look what happened to Simms. 

What should we be doing then?

What happened to Simms?

What is your solution to that problem?

[Lighthouse]

1 hour ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Very harsh in my opinion. Adams is decent when played in a two. 

Which is ruch a roundabout way of saying he doesn't do half of his job and needs a better player along side to do it for him. He's a decent Championship striker and worth keeping but a poor one at PL level and very much part of the problem.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

8 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Same. It feels weird… 🤣

Right. Just stop it. 🙂

You might agree with that one. But that in no way compensated for your eyes rolling in their sockets for the next 1000, as the board sinks into pedant purgatory. 🙂

Edited 24 May, 2023 by Holmes_and_Watson
typos

[Holmes_and_Watson]

24 minutes ago, Chez said:

What should we be doing then?

What happened to Simms?

What is your solution to that problem?

 

Hmmmm. Can't move them on loan.... Can't keep them here...

Elsewhere, costs have to be cut....

Welcome to Sweeney Todd's Concourse Pie Emporium! 🙂

 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

38 minutes ago, Chez said:

What should we be doing then?

What happened to Simms?

What is your solution to that problem?

I don't know the answer to that, but having players who clearly aren't going to make the step up to whatever league we are in does no good to anyone. If an academy player at a club hasn't made the breakthrough at 21/22, are they ever going to? 

[Dman]

1 hour ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

There's no point in keeping any of these guys around. For the sake of their careers they need to move on, I know they have contracts with us, but we shouldn't be loaning them out every season. Look what happened to Simms. 

Agreed - Shift them on, add in a buy back clause of some kind (especially with Small - probably the most likely to make it i'd say). 

 

Arguably, getting a good number of the players we don't want out is more important than who we bring in. 

[Dman]

1 hour ago, Chez said:

What should we be doing then?

What happened to Simms?

What is your solution to that problem?

Flog him cheap, even give them away for nothing if we're struggling to find a buyer. Insert clauses that future proof any unexpected development. 

None are making it here. 

[FarehamSaintJames]

3 hours ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

I don't know the answer to that, but having players who clearly aren't going to make the step up to whatever league we are in does no good to anyone. If an academy player at a club hasn't made the breakthrough at 21/22, are they ever going to? 

This. Watts, N’Lundulu etc are never making it in the Championship. 
Shift them in.

[FarehamSaintJames]

In other news self-appointed Twitter spokesman SaintRob is hosting another space later. 

Tune in if you fancy a laugh 😂

[Smirking_Saint]

6 hours ago, Turkish said:

MLG and Andrew on the same twitter thread. What a time to be alive.

This is perfect… hopefully they can tie each other up with nonsense for eternity

The waffling force vs the pedantic object

[Smirking_Saint]

5 hours ago, Chez said:

We need a left back. Larios and Small might be options, but if not, I wonder if Ruben Vinagre might be a possibility. Sporting Lisbon don't seem all that keen on him, loaning him out to Everton, where he hasn't played a single minute. Whenever I saw him for Wolves I thought he looked technically great and very exciting going forward. Not sure about him defensively - not seen enough. But the left back position continues to be a problem that needs solving.

I wouldn’t be against Vinagre

Would prefer Manning or even Leif Davis from Ipswich

[Convict Colony]

5 hours ago, Chez said:

We need a left back. Larios and Small might be options, but if not, I wonder if Ruben Vinagre might be a possibility. Sporting Lisbon don't seem all that keen on him, loaning him out to Everton, where he hasn't played a single minute. Whenever I saw him for Wolves I thought he looked technically great and very exciting going forward. Not sure about him defensively - not seen enough. But the left back position continues to be a problem that needs solving.

What about his crossing chez, that's your all important metric for left backs 🤣

[Dark Munster]

10 hours ago, Saint86 said:

Ah yes Bree, forgot about him 😄

In fairness he is quite forgettable.

[Chez]

17 hours ago, Dman said:

Flog him cheap, even give them away for nothing if we're struggling to find a buyer. Insert clauses that future proof any unexpected development. 

None are making it here. 

Someone has to want to buy them. They don't. Hence they see their contracts out here. We loan players to gain experience, but we also loan them to get them out the door. The only other option is paying contracts up in full, which is doesn't help us. 

Edited 25 May, 2023 by Chez

[Chez]

23 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

What about his crossing chez, that's your all important metric for left backs 🤣

Dunno. But he did look like he could be arsed to get back into position after an attack, wasn't as slow as fuck and at least looked like he had a modicum of ability. 

[saintscottofthenortham]

8 hours ago, DT said:

Forest want Che Adams. *Puts hand up to volunteer driving him up there

(Pretty sure he wouldn't know where to go as he doesn't seem to know where goalposts are)

What a shit, shit player.

Very harsh. Adams is a mighty useful player when used correctly and was a major part in Ings success here. Our issue with Che, is we have insisted on using him as a lone forward, which he very obviously cannot do. His all-round game is excellent though and his services will be well sought after. Numerous moves were turned down prior to this season, so very much expect him to be playing Premier League next season, and showing what he can do when played to his strengths.

Square peg, round hole. Our own fault.

[Turkish]

8 hours ago, Chez said:

Thierry Small has been linked to Rangers today https://www.rangersnews.uk/news/thierry-small-eyed-by-rangers-after-premier-league-interest/

Simeu lost his place in League 1 Morecombe's starting line up towards the end of the season, so not sure he is ready.

Vokins has never looked good enough and has been plying his trade at National League Woking. I don't think he will be in our squad next season.  

Caleb Watts has also struggled to get in the Morecombe side, starting one game since the end of January.

N'Lundulu has mostly come on as a sub at Bolton and has been `uninspiring' according to a Bolton fan I know.

Kegs Chauke hardly figured for league 1 Exeter City until the final month of the season, whereupon he started the last 6 games. We will have a gaping hole in central midfield of course.

Kazeem Olaigbe was a fixture in the Harrogate Town side in the second half of the season. I think he has scored a few goals too. Turkish may have a view on him, but it's League 2, so it would be a big step up. 

Jack Bycroft has been playing for Taunton in the National League South. Oliver Wright may become our third choice keeper - both are 20.

Kazeem has been excellent for harrogate. Probably player of the second half of the season won MOTM on quite a few occasions. Quick, skillful scored some good goals and looks to have something. It’s a big jump and I would say he needs to be tested at league one level next season as to be honest Harrogate have not been a good side this season and also not played to his strengths, been long ball a lot this season without having strikers to play that way so he’s been good despite them not because of them. Which makes me hopeful he could be even better in a decent footballing side that can use him better 

[qwertyell]

8 hours ago, Chez said:

Thierry Small has been linked to Rangers today https://www.rangersnews.uk/news/thierry-small-eyed-by-rangers-after-premier-league-interest/

Sent off after 31 mins tonight. Second red card in half a season with St Mirren, when he hasn't even been a regular starter.

I guess he's developing: he's gone from being a defensive liability to a disciplinary liability. Who also can't defend.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

17 minutes ago, qwertyell said:

Sent off after 31 mins tonight. Second red card in half a season with St Mirren, when he hasn't even been a regular starter.

I guess he's developing: he's gone from being a defensive liability to a disciplinary liability. Who also can't defend.

He's just upset that Selles has left his parent club. 🙂

[Stu Man Do]

48 minutes ago, qwertyell said:

Sent off after 31 mins tonight. Second red card in half a season with St Mirren, when he hasn't even been a regular starter.

I guess he's developing: he's gone from being a defensive liability to a disciplinary liability. Who also can't defend.

With the youth team he always seemed to be more of an attacking threat. Possibly worth trying him further forward? Seems to be robust enough if nothing else!

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Apparently, he got nutmegged a little bit before, lost his cool over it and put in a very bad tackle. They've had 10 reads this season. Small's picked up a couple of those. Mixed feelings about him there, but definitely needs to have more self control. That was part of the issues in our last pre season.

[chiknsmack]

18 hours ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

If an academy player at a club hasn't made the breakthrough at 21/22, are they ever going to? 

Depends what you mean by "made the breakthrough". Kevin Danso played for us on loan at age 21 and didn't look to be much. He's now starting at age 24 for Lens - currently 2nd in Ligue 1 with two games to go - and being talked up for a move to a Champions League club. Nathan Tella couldn't establish himself in the starting XI or even the squad a year or two ago when he was 21/22. At 23 he's made the Championship TotY. I'm glad the club didn't sell him for buttons last year because he hadn't broken through by 22.

Some players are good enough for the Prem at 21. Some aren't, but might get there by 25. If a player is 25 and on loan in L2, we should cut ties. But 23 and proven capable at Champ or L1 level?

[Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan]

1 hour ago, chiknsmack said:

Depends what you mean by "made the breakthrough". Kevin Danso played for us on loan at age 21 and didn't look to be much. He's now starting at age 24 for Lens - currently 2nd in Ligue 1 with two games to go - and being talked up for a move to a Champions League club. Nathan Tella couldn't establish himself in the starting XI or even the squad a year or two ago when he was 21/22. At 23 he's made the Championship TotY. I'm glad the club didn't sell him for buttons last year because he hadn't broken through by 22.

Some players are good enough for the Prem at 21. Some aren't, but might get there by 25. If a player is 25 and on loan in L2, we should cut ties. But 23 and proven capable at Champ or L1 level?

All you have to do is look at our strikers since promotion, at age 21

Lambert was playing in midfield for Stockport in League 1, Jay-Rod was on loan at Barnsley, Pelle was playing in the third tier in Italy, Austin was playing for Swindon in League 1, and Ings was playing his first full season in the Championship.

None of those would have been players we'd want to sign, or thought they'd be good enough at that age. Sometimes players take a bit longer to mature and we need to be mindful of that too

[SuperSAINT]

Bournemouth say they’d love to sign Jack Stephens: https://www.hampshirelive.news/sport/football/football-news/bournemouth-transfer-stance-signing-southampton-8469101

[SuperSAINT]

 

[SaintsFan86]

One player I'd love us to sign this year is Harvey Vale, Left footer. A number 10 but can play on the wing a bit too.  

[S-Clarke]

42 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

If they want him, they pay the going rate. If they can't pay the going rate go away and don't give us your deadwood.

[Convict Colony]

45 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

I'm weighing up whether I'm gonna bang some super model and swap them for the current version.

Edited 25 May, 2023 by Convict Colony

[SuperSAINT]

3 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

If they want him, they pay the going rate. If they can't pay the going rate go away and don't give us your deadwood.

We’re fucked if he has good metrics 

[Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan]

2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

If they want him, they pay the going rate. If they can't pay the going rate go away and don't give us your deadwood.

Think we would want a sizeable sum too, but actually that wouldn't be the worst deal. If they signed Lavia that would block Morton's chances of playing for Liverpool, and he's just had a good season with Blackburn. He has a really good passing range and would do the job as a 6 in Martin's passing plans really well.

On Lavia, I've seen fans of every big team wanting him, think we really can be getting a big chunk for him.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

Not sure VVD would be that popular now, after the way it went last time. 🙂

[LegalEagle]

25 minutes ago, Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan said:

Think we would want a sizeable sum too, but actually that wouldn't be the worst deal. If they signed Lavia that would block Morton's chances of playing for Liverpool, and he's just had a good season with Blackburn. He has a really good passing range and would do the job as a 6 in Martin's passing plans really well.

On Lavia, I've seen fans of every big team wanting him, think we really can be getting a big chunk for him.

You say that Fabrice but the Blackburn fans don’t seem to rate him at all and think he’s been a let down. Go on their fans forum and have a read. They don’t want him back.

[Fabrice29]

1 hour ago, SaintsFan86 said:

One player I'd love us to sign this year is Harvey Vale, Left footer. A number 10 but can play on the wing a bit too.  

We were close to getting a deal done with him previously but either he pulled out/Chelsea pulled out and I believe he ended up on loan in the Championship instead.