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Even though we’ve lost Elyanoussi, Walcott, Wily, Diallo, Salisu, Celeta-Carr and plus Livramento and couple more to follow shortly we’ve still got 27 players plus the Yoof. We need to clear out another 7 or 7 really. Just like last time we went down squad is bloated with loads of crap players 

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Even though we’ve lost Elyanoussi, Walcott, Wily, Diallo, Salisu, Celeta-Carr and plus Livramento and couple more to follow shortly we’ve still got 27 players plus the Yoof. We need to clear out another 7 or 7 really. Just like last time we went down squad is bloated with loads of crap players 

I actually quite liked what Martin said earlier, speaks sense - we can't just aimlessly add more to this size of squad. I've seen some people on Twitter yapping on about crap like asset stripping, no investing etc, but any sensible operation isn't going to add to an already bloated work force. Needs trimming.

If we go in to the season with what we have today we'll probably do ok, it's not like we're totally desperate for players if everyone stays here. I just fear a last week rush as clubs finally meet our asking prices, you just have to hope we have stuff lined up to press go on fairly quickly if that happens.

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Golac's Cunning Stunts

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2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Even though we’ve lost Elyanoussi, Walcott, Wily, Diallo, Salisu, Celeta-Carr and plus Livramento and couple more to follow shortly we’ve still got 27 players plus the Yoof. We need to clear out another 7 or 7 really. Just like last time we went down squad is bloated with loads of crap players 

Yes. We probably need to lose more than 7 if we want to bring in some new faces as well

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1 minute ago, Turkish said:

Even though we’ve lost Elyanoussi, Walcott, Wily, Diallo, Salisu, Celeta-Carr and plus Livramento and couple more to follow shortly we’ve still got 27 players plus the Yoof. We need to clear out another 7 or 7 really. Just like last time we went down squad is bloated with loads of crap players 

Yep, and that youth includes Simeu, Small, Dibling, Doyle, Ballard, Meghoma and Amo-Ameyaw who ought to be in or around the first team, at least for cup games. I reckon 7-10 still need to get gone to leave room for 4-5 Martin players, and give some kind of pathway for the better kids. 

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42 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

Is Joe Hart still first choice at Celtic?

- Good with his feet

- Not afraid of stepping down the leagues

- Wilcox wiill know from from Man City

- Vastly experienced

“Wilcox will know him from Man City”. Joe Hart hasn’t played for Man City since 2016, a time when Wilcox was working for City’s academy. And Hart is vastly experienced because he’s 36 years old. And, as said above, he wasn’t required at City because it was reported at the time that he was poor with his distribution. Not sure I see much wisdom in this, even if he is likely to be better than Bazunu (low benchmark). 

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3 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I actually quite liked what Martin said earlier, speaks sense - we can't just aimlessly add more to this size of squad. I've seen some people on Twitter yapping on about crap like asset stripping, no investing etc, but any sensible operation isn't going to add to an already bloated work force. Needs trimming.

If we go in to the season with what we have today we'll probably do ok, it's not like we're totally desperate for players if everyone stays here. I just fear a last week rush as clubs finally meet our asking prices, you just have to hope we have stuff lined up to press go on fairly quickly if that happens.

That's the nightmare isn't it, come Friday Sept 1st Saints lose 2 or 3 crucial players (think Alcarez or KWP) as Prem teams become desperate. Absolutely no chance of replacing them before January. That will be uber annoying.

The board really need to make it clear that all sales must be completed by 25th August, after that no dice.

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That's the nightmare isn't it, come Friday Sept 1st Saints lose 2 or 3 crucial players (think Alcarez or KWP) as Prem teams become desperate. Absolutely no chance of replacing them before January. That will be uber annoying.

The board really need to make it clear that all sales must be completed by 25th August, after that no dice.

I think that's the stance we'll take, I genuinely believe we don't need to sell - we're just saying if you want our players, it's on our terms.

Those terms will have to be both financially and timing in my opinion. We can't be entertaining bids on deadline day.

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Baird of the land

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7 minutes ago, egg said:

Yep, and that youth includes Simeu, Small, Dibling, Doyle, Ballard, Meghoma and Amo-Ameyaw who ought to be in or around the first team, at least for cup games. I reckon 7-10 still need to get gone to leave room for 4-5 Martin players, and give some kind of pathway for the better kids. 

I don’t see how we lose 10 more without gutting the squad of good players. I don’t expect there to be a rush to buy/loan all the dross fringe players.

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4 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

I don’t see how we lose 10 more without gutting the squad of good players. I don’t expect there to be a rush to buy/loan all the dross fringe players.

Losing 10 leaves us with 17 first team squad members. Add 4 or 5 and we have 22-23 plus the likes of Amo-Ameyaw, Doyle, Ballard, Meghoma etc. I can't see that we need more than that. 

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5 minutes ago, egg said:

Losing 10 leaves us with 17 first team squad members. Add 4 or 5 and we have 22-23 plus the likes of Amo-Ameyaw, Doyle, Ballard, Meghoma etc. I can't see that we need more than that. 

Still likely we could/will lose:

JWP, Adams, KWP, Lavia

Would like to lose:

Tall Paul, Lyanco, ABK, McCarthy, Djenppo

Wouldn't be fussed if we lose:

AA, Perraud, Stephens, Bednarek, Bazunu

Plenty to choose from there but can't see many takers for some of those

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10 minutes ago, egg said:

Losing 10 leaves us with 17 first team squad members. Add 4 or 5 and we have 22-23 plus the likes of Amo-Ameyaw, Doyle, Ballard, Meghoma etc. I can't see that we need more than that. 

Onuachu, kwp, ABK, Adams, Tella, Lavia, JWP, Perraud, Lyanco 

Not sure we can get to 10 without losing Alcaraz at well which really would be all of our half decent players from last year. 

 

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3 minutes ago, egg said:

Losing 10 leaves us with 17 first team squad members. Add 4 or 5 and we have 22-23 plus the likes of Amo-Ameyaw, Doyle, Ballard, Meghoma etc. I can't see that we need more than that. 

Because you’d be most likely be left largely with 17 of the worst ones. I’d much prefer lose less if it means losing less good players.

 

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1 minute ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

Still likely we could/will lose:

JWP, Adams, KWP, Lavia

Would like to lose:

Tall Paul, Lyanco, ABK, McCarthy, Djenppo

Wouldn't be fussed if we lose:

AA, Perraud, Stephens, Bednarek, Bazunu

Plenty to choose from there but can't see many takers for some of those

That's the issue, some of them won't be wanted by other clubs, and others won't want to go for a lesser wage. Getting rid of some of these is likely to hit us hard in the pocket, but it's that or keep them and pay them not to play. Not ideal. 

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1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

Onuachu, kwp, ABK, Adams, Tella, Lavia, JWP, Perraud, Lyanco 

Not sure we can get to 10 without losing Alcaraz at well which really would be all of our half decent players from last year. 

 

McCarthy...there's 10, although I don't think it'll that many purely because there's some we won't be able to shift. Regardless of the numbers, we need a huge clear out before Martin can bring in more players that he wants. 

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1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

Onuachu, kwp, ABK, Adams, Tella, Lavia, JWP, Perraud, Lyanco 

Not sure we can get to 10 without losing Alcaraz at well which really would be all of our half decent players from last year. 

 

Could add to that list the likes of Mara, Sulemana, Stephens and Bednarek. Don’t expect them all to go of course, but individually wouldn’t be surprised if any of them left before the window is done.

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2 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

Because you’d be most likely be left largely with 17 of the worst ones. I’d much prefer lose less if it means losing less good players.

Not necessarily. Even ignoring the players out of contract, we’ve still managed to offload Orsic, Salisu, Lis and DCC. Cant say I’m sad about that. There’re only really four players I’d care about losing anyway.

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6 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

Because you’d be most likely be left largely with 17 of the worst ones. I’d much prefer lose less if it means losing less good players.

 

I reckon there's 7 or 8 that I think most of us would be relaxed (or happy) to see gone. My concern is more about making room for 4-5 new starters that'll suit Martin's style and improve us. Half a new team, plus Charles and Manning, and we're getting where we need to be. 

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5 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Onuachu, kwp, ABK, Adams, Tella, Lavia, JWP, Perraud, Lyanco 

Not sure we can get to 10 without losing Alcaraz at well which really would be all of our half decent players from last year. 

 

I’d be very annoyed if we lose kwp and tella. It would just likely be weakening the team and wouldn’t even reduce squad as they’d need replacing. 

There’s a ton more dross (aribo, larios, Bree, McCarthy, djenepo, Mara) who are the squad filler that needs ridding but we’re unlikely to be able to move on.

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7 minutes ago, egg said:

There's more chance of getting credible information from a crop circle mate. 

Being a member of the CoT means you believe in one of our mottos loose lips sink ships. Nothing is to get outside of the group or you will be expelled 

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Being a member of the CoT means you believe in one of our mottos loose lips sink ships. Nothing is to get outside of the group or you will be expelled 

Ha!! It's people using the same avatars that's a pain...you see an avatar for the last post on a thread, and have a click thinking it'll be someone interesting, but it's some other bandwagon jumper. 

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13 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

I’d be very annoyed if we lose kwp and tella. It would just likely be weakening the team and wouldn’t even reduce squad as they’d need replacing. 

There’s a ton more dross (aribo, larios, Bree, McCarthy, djenepo, Mara) who are the squad filler that needs ridding but we’re unlikely to be able to move on.

Can't see us getting rid of Bree or Mara and no idea about Larios. Djenepo and McCarthy I'll grant you 

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Now might be a good time for people who think we have sold him too cheaply to say as such.

Personally, I was concerned about his defending - he ball watched badly - but thought we'd get a few seasons to see him work that out. Not sure he is the next Bale, but would of liked the chance to find out.

I think the money we got was decent. Shame Chelsea get so much of it, but the £4m fee we got him for would have been a lot more without the sell on clause 

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18 minutes ago, egg said:

I reckon there's 7 or 8 that I think most of us would be relaxed (or happy) to see gone. My concern is more about making room for 4-5 new starters that'll suit Martin's style and improve us. Half a new team, plus Charles and Manning, and we're getting where we need to be. 

Agreed the players we really would like to keep are 

JWP, Tella, Sulemana, KWP, Lavia, Alcaraz 

So that's six players. I think we will do well to keep two of them so we would need four quality replacements imo. 

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1 minute ago, Chez said:

Now might be a good time for people who think we have sold him too cheaply to say as such.

I don’t think we did, I think it’s a very good deal for Saints. He may well go on to huge things but, for a 20 year old just getting over an ACL it makes massive financial sense for Saints. Plus we’re now in the Championship so keeping hold of any genuine PL quality is tough. Sad to see him go but that is too high a sum for a club in our position to turn down. FWIW I always thought when we lost Mane, Lallana, MS etc that we extracted the right sum for them at the time. I see this the same.

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4 hours ago, SaintsFan86 said:

Tino £40M (£25M)

Salisu €20M (£17M)

DCC €5 guaranteed (£4.25M)

Diallo €5-8M (£4.25/6.5M)

Orsic €4M (£3.5M)

So thats a total of £53Million.. and you'd expext us to sale possibly,

Lyanco, KWP, Perraud, ABK, JWP, Lavia, Aribo, Djenepo, Adams and Onuachu. 

Where did you get the Diallo figure from? Can't find any reports including his price.

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Agreed the players we really would like to keep are 

JWP, Tella, Sulemana, KWP, Lavia, Alcaraz 

So that's six players. I think we will do well to keep two of them so we would need four quality replacements imo. 

It's hard to know who'll go I think. I reckon we took a haircut on Orsic and Diallo (ie fee covering wages shortfall for the balance of the contract period, or something like that) and I wouldn't be surprised to see us find a way to cut out losses on others. The next few weeks are going to be interesting, but I'm confident we'll go into September in good shape squad wise. 

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23 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Being a member of the CoT means you believe in one of our mottos loose lips sink ships. Nothing is to get outside of the group or you will be expelled 

If they manage that, they will be doing better than Saints ever have at stopping leaks….

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1 hour ago, Saint86 said:

Why are you arguing with the boo boys, they'll find any reason to have a go at the club. May as well be skates.

Yep they be watching the game especially for Bazunu to make a mistake. It happen to know a Saints “fan “ who had a passionate hatred for Ralph.

He felt he was finally vindicated when Ralph was sacked.

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31 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Being a member of the CoT means you believe in one of our mottos loose lips sink ships. Nothing is to get outside of the group or you will be expelled 

The thing that I say to all the other members is under no circumstances reveal or show anything that would suggest you are a member.

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1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

I actually quite liked what Martin said earlier, speaks sense - we can't just aimlessly add more to this size of squad. I've seen some people on Twitter yapping on about crap like asset stripping, no investing etc, but any sensible operation isn't going to add to an already bloated work force. Needs trimming.

If we go in to the season with what we have today we'll probably do ok, it's not like we're totally desperate for players if everyone stays here.

We'll have the numbers, but the quality is obviously decreasing. There should be enough to be competitive, it just falls on the manager to create a proper team.

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2 minutes ago, SaintLondon said:

I think ABK would be excellent in this division but he won’t be here… surely? 

He's our best CB by some distance, but he's fragile and too good for he championship. I think he's one who'll be going. 

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