Summer Transfer Window 2023

[Chez]

25 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

He'll be 24 in a couple of months so he's not that young and he's had one good season in the Championship for a side that walked the league pretty comfortably.  Realistically the clubs that will be in for him will be clubs around the same size as us.  So it's Burnley, Palace, Brighton etc etc and i don't see them dropping 40M on someone like Tella.  Agree that we probably never saw the best of him and he certainly wasn't used in the best way though.

if we want £40m, then he won't be going anywhere. 

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, Chez said:

if we want £40m, then he won't be going anywhere. 

I guess we wont want that much, as he will probably go for a lot less

[The Kraken]

1 hour ago, revolution saint said:

He'll be 24 in a couple of months so he's not that young and he's had one good season in the Championship for a side that walked the league pretty comfortably.  Realistically the clubs that will be in for him will be clubs around the same size as us.  So it's Burnley, Palace, Brighton etc etc and i don't see them dropping 40M on someone like Tella.  Agree that we probably never saw the best of him and he certainly wasn't used in the best way though.

Brighton likely won’t as they’ve spent what the guardian are reporting as £30m on Joao Pedro from watford. To put it in some context, he’s 21 and scored 11 league goals last year, he scored 9 in the championship in 20-21 and 3 in the Prem last season.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/may/05/brighton-sign-joao-pedro-agree-james-milner-deal

Cant really tell these days what is a good transfer fee and what isn’t, but I’d guess that £20m for a Tella is pretty alright.

[revolution saint]

In terms of incomings it wouldn't surprise me if we were back in for the Danish fella, Morten Hjulmand, at Lecce, and Carlos Borges at Man City.  Heavily linked with both and seems like we were pretty close.  Whether we could persuade Hjulmand now we're relegated could be an issue though. Could be back in for Liam Delap as well although considering the season he's had that might be a tough sell.

Don't know enough about any of them to have much of an opinion but thought it might be good to speculate on players we might buy as well as those who are or will be off.

[Bakovnetski]

Hope the clever-arsed powers-that-be don't think that getting back quickly can be achieved by the Forest way with stacks of loans. Buying 20+ players when you get up was a hell of a risk that has only just about worked for them with a decent manager. It may take a couple of years to build something sustainable again.

[ecurnew02]

I'd imagine he will have some Prem interest but Chupa Akpom who scored 28 this season in the Championship is out of contract come July. Also he could still go up with Boro. 

 

 

 

[Chez]

4 minutes ago, Bakovnetski said:

Hope the clever-arsed powers-that-be don't think that getting back quickly can be achieved by the Forest way with stacks of loans. Buying 20+ players when you get up was a hell of a risk that has only just about worked for them with a decent manager. It may take a couple of years to build something sustainable again.

Forrest (6 loanees) and now Burnley (five loanees) have both used the loan system extensively to help both get promoted. Sheff United had three Man City players on loan too. Worth noting that Boro had 6 loanees, Luton 3, Coventry 5 and Sunderland 3. Loannes Mason Mount and Harry Wilson pretty much took Derby County into the play off final in 2019 on their own.

The Championship is full of rank average players. The Prem takes every single quality youngster these days, so you have little choice but to go to that well for affordable talent. Obviously apart from Burnley, none of those sides I mentioned had just been relegated and none had just spent a few bob buying youngsters from Chelsea/City like we did, but I don't see any harm in us loaning players, if they are quality.

[Chez]

1 hour ago, revolution saint said:

In terms of incomings it wouldn't surprise me if we were back in for the Danish fella, Morten Hjulmand, at Lecce, and Carlos Borges at Man City.  Heavily linked with both and seems like we were pretty close. Whether we could persuade Hjulmand now we're relegated could be an issue though. Could be back in for Liam Delap as well although considering the season he's had that might be a tough sell.

Don't know enough about any of them to have much of an opinion but thought it might be good to speculate on players we might buy as well as those who are or will be off.

We are almost certainly going to need to sign a defensive CM, so Hjulmand might be an option. I'd of thought we'd pay more wages even in the Championship, but maybe not by much. 

[Saint Garrett]

3 hours ago, Chez said:

Do you really think we will get those amounts? There is just a year left on Salisu's contract and he has hardly set the world on fire this season, for example. I wonder how we will get £25m for Orsic, DCC, Lyanco, Diallo and Onuachu. I'd be surprised if we got much, if anything for them, simply because they are on Prem wages now, so clubs will have to pay them more, so will then have less for transfer fees. I might be wrong, but I can see it being more like Lavia £40m, JWP £30m, KWP £20m, Salisu £10m and the others maybe £5m. Maybe I am being too pessamistic. 

You might be right, I just stuck some figures out there to come to a total, £200m is a bit less than the amounts I quoted, £150m maybe in total, possibly somewhere in the middle. 

Regardless of the quality now; a bunch of them have shown some decent quality I.e ABK. 

I guessed off the assumption that a bang avg prem player costs £20m these days. Depends on demand though of course…

[Chez]

1 minute ago, Saint Garrett said:

You might be right, I just stuck some figures out there to come to a total, £200m is a bit less than the amounts I quoted, £150m maybe in total, possibly somewhere in the middle. 

Regardless of the quality now; a bunch of them have shown some decent quality I.e ABK. 

I guessed off the assumption that a bang avg prem player costs £20m these days. Depends on demand though of course…

I've seen JWP linked to Newcastle, Salisu to Everton, ABK to Frankfurt, Lavia to Liverpool...so the vultures are circling...or at least we are providing good transfer gossip.

[teamsaint]

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Edited 12 May, 2023 by teamsaint

[stknowle]

9 hours ago, LeBizzier69 said:

You're looking at £70m minimum just for Lavia and JWP + parachute payments and other sales.....no excuse to really not have a damn good go at coming straight back up netx season.

Not an excuse exactly but...........................

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Edited 12 May, 2023 by stknowle

[macca155]

Easier to look at groups of players..

JWP and Lavia should be £80 million between them. KWP and Adams £30 million. ABK, DCC, Salisu, and maybe Lyanco another £30 million. Might be a bit more.

Orsic, Aribo, Diallo, A Armstrong, Onuachu will go to clubs that don't pay a lot. Probably £15 to £20 million. That Will mean big losses for SR.

I reckon they'll rake in around £150 million. If, and its a big if, they can actually offload that lot.

Hopefully means we won't have the financial issues of last time, but left with a pretty hollowed out squad.

[FarehamSaintJames]

The likes of DCC, Orsic, Sulemana, Onuachu are more likely to be loaned out than sold due to their stupidly high wages.

Much like the days of Lemina, Hoedt and Carrillo.

I think they’ll be a lot less transfer fees coming in.

[Forester]

I think some of our younger fans are about to go through a rapid learning curve about the championship, and that “what gets you out” is not the same as “what will keep you up”.  To unpack that a bit:

- there will be a number of players who “aren’t cutting it” in the Premier League, and have been hounded by some fans, who will either find their level permanently in the championship or others who, like Tella and Smallbone, would have benefited from being developed in that division rather than thrown into Premier League from the outset when simply not ready 

- in the “find their level” camp with limited or no headroom space to grow into being Premier League regulars I suspect this includes Adam Armstrong, Aribo, Bree, Stephens, DCC, Lyanco, Djenepo, Tall Paul, Moi, McCarthy, Perraud, Walcott (at this age) Stuart Armstrong (at this age)

- in the “benefit from a year or so there” camp are Bazanu, Tino (because of need to rehabilitate), Larios, Mara, Kamaldeen, Edozie

- that leaves people who will probably go for various reasons, mainly money and ambition but also some dead wood (Orsic, Diallo etc).  I am hopeful we will hang on to some, like Alacaraz, Bednarek, but others being realistic will not stay.

The point being that I would be happy to retain any or all in the first list, while recognising almost none would be good enough if we got back up.  From our last time in that division (both going down and coming up) we had some excellent servants who would never cut it in Premier League, such as Kelvin, Richardson, Butterfield, Harding, Fox, Hooveldt, Surman, Hammond, Chaplow, Guly, Sharp, John, Viafara, Saganowski, Wright-Phillips, Makin, Perry (at that age), Jaidi (at that age), Connolly (at that age)

So I think the ideal is that we retain say 12-15 of our squad, move about 10 on and bring in 5 or 6 experience players.  I get the feeling many people want a “mass clear out” without really thinking through the difference in standard

[Kenilworthy]

2 minutes ago, Forester said:

I think some of our younger fans are about to go through a rapid learning curve about the championship, and that “what gets you out” is not the same as “what will keep you up”.  To unpack that a bit:

- there will be a number of players who “aren’t cutting it” in the Premier League, and have been hounded by some fans, who will either find their level permanently in the championship or others who, like Tella and Smallbone, would have benefited from being developed in that division rather than thrown into Premier League from the outset when simply not ready 

- in the “find their level” camp with limited or no headroom space to grow into being Premier League regulars I suspect this includes Adam Armstrong, Aribo, Bree, Stephens, DCC, Lyanco, Djenepo, Tall Paul, Moi, McCarthy, Perraud, Walcott (at this age) Stuart Armstrong (at this age)

- in the “benefit from a year or so there” camp are Bazanu, Tino (because of need to rehabilitate), Larios, Mara, Kamaldeen, Edozie

- that leaves people who will probably go for various reasons, mainly money and ambition but also some dead wood (Orsic, Diallo etc).  I am hopeful we will hang on to some, like Alacaraz, Bednarek, but others being realistic will not stay.

The point being that I would be happy to retain any or all in the first list, while recognising almost none would be good enough if we got back up.  From our last time in that division (both going down and coming up) we had some excellent servants who would never cut it in Premier League, such as Kelvin, Richardson, Butterfield, Harding, Fox, Hooveldt, Surman, Hammond, Chaplow, Guly, Sharp, John, Viafara, Saganowski, Wright-Phillips, Makin, Perry (at that age), Jaidi (at that age), Connolly (at that age)

So I think the ideal is that we retain say 12-15 of our squad, move about 10 on and bring in 5 or 6 experience players.  I get the feeling many people want a “mass clear out” without really thinking through the difference in standard

Its a good analysis. Also, unless you are very lucky (or Brentford) you don't get time to build a team in the Championship. Every season is a one-shot deal. Because if you come close to promotion but fail then you get stripped of your best players and have to start again.

[AlexLaw76]

Nedum Onuaha on 5Live earlier talking Saints. Said he knows where at least 1 of our players is going in the summer, as he has first hand info.

Guess he means Lavia then.

[AlexLaw76]

 

[Pilchards]

4 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Nedum Onuaha on 5Live earlier talking Saints. Said he knows where at least 1 of our players is going in the summer, as he has first hand info.

Guess he means Lavia then.

I don’t have it first hand but I know that we will need to sell at least 12 players as our squad is bloated.

Need to make room for our youngsters otherwise you can wave goodbye to many promising ones as they are not happy.

[Turkish]

5 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Nedum Onuaha on 5Live earlier talking Saints. Said he knows where at least 1 of our players is going in the summer, as he has first hand info.

Guess he means Lavia then.

Orsic to Turkey. Guy is a genus 

[EBS1980]

7 subs allowed to be named in Championship. I’d like too see 1-2 of them B team players to actually show them the pathway and give them a chance in games too 

[FarehamSaintJames]

4 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

 

All these sensationalised headlines coming out are hardly a big deal. Especially now.

Every club gets linked with the same player nowadays for fuck sake.

May as well have said “Saints also decided against signing Lionel Messi when his Barcelona contract run out two seasons ago”. It’s just as much a headline. 😂🤦🏻‍♂️

[Ex Lion Tamer]

22 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

The likes of DCC, Orsic, Sulemana, Onuachu are more likely to be loaned out than sold due to their stupidly high wages.

Much like the days of Lemina, Hoedt and Carrillo.

I think they’ll be a lot less transfer fees coming in.

Apparently all our players have seen their wages fall by 40% now we're in the Championship. Don't know if that means their wages are still high but not quite a Lemina, Hoedt, Carrillo situation

 

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

Apparently all our players have seen their wages fall by 40% now we're in the Championship. Don't know if that means their wages are still high but not quite a Lemina, Hoedt, Carrillo situation

 

Incredibly this still mean McCarthy will be on £48k a week

[Smirking_Saint]

On 12/05/2023 at 16:27, Bakovnetski said:

Hope the clever-arsed powers-that-be don't think that getting back quickly can be achieved by the Forest way with stacks of loans. Buying 20+ players when you get up was a hell of a risk that has only just about worked for them with a decent manager. It may take a couple of years to build something sustainable again.

I mean, the majority of teams now prioritise a clever use if the loan system because, despite Ankersons insistence that they are close, there generally is a rather large gulf of class between Championship and Prem

I do think we will be left with a significantly decent core, I suppose it will depend on the resolve of SR by either getting top money OR retaining some of our brighter players, but it generally makes more sense to sprinkle some good loans around that core, that are able to drive us to the prem rather than to try to buy players that would possibly need replacing on promotion anyway

[Chez]

9 hours ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

Apparently all our players have seen their wages fall by 40% now we're in the Championship. Don't know if that means their wages are still high but not quite a Lemina, Hoedt, Carrillo situation

 

Bloody great news, if true. A £70m wage bill in the championship is still huge, but manageable.

[SaintsFan86]

Alot of our players will leave, 4 are leaving anyway.

[FarehamSaintJames]

I actually doubt a lot of the players are on 40% wage reductions. Some players will have got by.

I think the likes of Orsic, Onuachu etc won’t have one as they would’ve held all the card in the transfer negotiations, and we were already pretty bottom at that point. 

We would’ve thrown all sorts of money at them to join.

[Sunglasses Ron]

22 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

I actually doubt a lot of the players are on 40% wage reductions. Some players will have got by.

I think the likes of Orsic, Onuachu etc won’t have one as they would’ve held all the card in the transfer negotiations, and we were already pretty bottom at that point. 

We would’ve thrown all sorts of money at them to join.

Not sure I agree.

We were clear favourites for relegation when they signed so it would have been suicide to sign them on huge wages.

I suspect they were either signed with the 40% reduction clause, or on modest wages but with a bonus if we stayed up.

[teamsaint]

4 hours ago, Chez said:

Bloody great news, if true. A £70m wage bill in the championship is still huge, but manageable.

I would assume that in cases where we want the player to stay, EG Che, we would either waive the reduction, or compromise on a smaller reduction ? 

[SNSUN]

Former Saints young player Alfie Jones just got Player of the Season for Hull. 25 y/o now, 6'3'' centre back and can play in DM. Worth bringing back to the club to add to the CB department? A quick scan on Hull's forum and they seem to think he's constantly improving. 

 

[HarvSFC]

Paddy McNair would be a good start should Middlesbrough stay down. Pocketed Gyokeres today.

[Saint Matty 76]

1 hour ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

I actually doubt a lot of the players are on 40% wage reductions. Some players will have got by.

I think the likes of Orsic, Onuachu etc won’t have one as they would’ve held all the card in the transfer negotiations, and we were already pretty bottom at that point. 

We would’ve thrown all sorts of money at them to join.

There is literally zero chance these players wouldn't have had relegation clauses. They'd have just been given way too much money for the 6 months.

[AlexLaw76]

 

[FarehamSaintJames]

37 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

 

Again, not difficult to understand.

Always predictable they’ll leave, but the majority of our players leaving will be loans due to their high wages.

Lemina, Hoedt, Carrillo saga Pt.II. They’ll all be loaned rather than sold.

Only way any of our players are leaving is if we take a hit on the transfer fee or the player reduces their demands.

Not really a groundbreaking tweet. Just a re-hash of shit we could already guess.

[Chez]

22 hours ago, teamsaint said:

I would assume that in cases where we want the player to stay, EG Che, we would either waive the reduction, or compromise on a smaller reduction ? 

Possibly, but wage reductions are there for a reason - the Prem TV/prize money was about £115m for a bottom three or four side and that will drop to £44m. I know the owners have talked about backing a promotion bid, but they also have talked about sustainability and books still have to be balanced.

Che will likely be off. He will have suitors. He didn't sign a new contract last summer as we failed to match his requirements (£100k a week perhaps?), so 40% of what he is on now is not going to work. We will also not want him walking on a free.

[Saint WGC]

If Burnley want Tella, how about £15m plus Scott Twine coming the other way - barely got a look in this season so you'd have to think his Premier league chances will be even more limited there?  Talented player who takes a good free kick/set piece  - we get a player plus cash deal, Tella gets his move, all parties happy???? 

Who knows, a potential replacement for Ward Prowse and who knows, he may even pass the ball forwards every now and then too 😀

[Smirking_Saint]

12 minutes ago, Saint WGC said:

If Burnley want Tella, how about £15m plus Scott Twine coming the other way - barely got a look in this season so you'd have to think his Premier league chances will be even more limited there?  Talented player who takes a good free kick/set piece  - we get a player plus cash deal, Tella gets his move, all parties happy???? 

Who knows, a potential replacement for Ward Prowse and who knows, he may even pass the ball forwards every now and then too 😀

Id rather keep Tella and go knocking on Coventrys door for Hamer tbh or even knock on Bristols door for Alex Scott (although the latter is unlikely)

[Smirking_Saint]

2 hours ago, Chez said:

Possibly, but wage reductions are there for a reason - the Prem TV/prize money was about £115m for a bottom three or four side and that will drop to £44m. I know the owners have talked about backing a promotion bid, but they also have talked about sustainability and books still have to be balanced.

Che will likely be off. He will have suitors. He didn't sign a new contract last summer as we failed to match his requirements (£100k a week perhaps?), so 40% of what he is on now is not going to work. We will also not want him walking on a free.

We’ll likely bring in 100m or so in sales this year so I’m not really sure we’ll need to sell anybody that we absolutely don’t have too

[the saint in winchester]

Appreciate a clickbait report, but, wowsers:

Fenerbahce want to sign five Southampton players; Lyanco, Kameldeen Sulemana, Paul Onuachu, Moussa Djenepo and Ibrahima Diallo this summer according to Fanatik.

They must have been impressed by Nathan Redmond!

 

[AlexLaw76]

2 minutes ago, the saint in winchester said:

Appreciate a clickbait report, but, wowsers:

Fenerbahce want to sign five Southampton players; Lyanco, Kameldeen Sulemana, Paul Onuachu, Moussa Djenepo and Ibrahima Diallo this summer according to Fanatik.

They must have been impressed by Nathan Redmond!

 

All on loan, I bet!

[Master Bates]

Novatus Miroshi

[Suhari]

1 hour ago, Master Bates said:

Novatus Miroshi

Gesundheit.

[HarvSFC]

4 hours ago, Master Bates said:

Novatus Miroshi

Not many YouTube compilations on him. Welcome back to the Championship.

[qwertyell]

11 hours ago, Master Bates said:

Novatus Miroshi

Love a mystery player. Never heard of him;  can't even find out what position he plays. He's either a left back, centre back, central midfielder, or some kind of attacker.

Exciting times. 

[david in sweden]

On 12/05/2023 at 16:09, The Kraken said:

Brighton likely won’t as they’ve spent what the guardian are reporting as £30m on Joao Pedro from watford. To put it in some context, he’s 21 and scored 11 league goals last year, he scored 9 in the championship in 20-21 and 3 in the Prem last season.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/may/05/brighton-sign-joao-pedro-agree-james-milner-deal

Cant really tell these days what is a good transfer fee and what isn’t, but I’d guess that £20m for a Tella is pretty alright.

.......plus a sell-on clause - just in case. 

[david in sweden]

14 hours ago, the saint in winchester said:

Appreciate a clickbait report, but, wowsers:

Fenerbahce want to sign five Southampton players; Lyanco, Kameldeen Sulemana, Paul Onuachu, Moussa Djenepo and Ibrahima Diallo this summer according to Fanatik.

They must have been impressed by Nathan Redmond!

 

just as long as we get paid in " real money ".   Turkey is trying to cope with 80% inflation, and gets worse every day.

[Smirking_Saint]

14 hours ago, the saint in winchester said:

Appreciate a clickbait report, but, wowsers:

Fenerbahce want to sign five Southampton players; Lyanco, Kameldeen Sulemana, Paul Onuachu, Moussa Djenepo and Ibrahima Diallo this summer according to Fanatik.

They must have been impressed by Nathan Redmond!

 

They won’t be able to afford that I don’t think, they’ll pick up one or two maybe

Lyanco has been heavily linked with them, he is the obvious one

[Daft Kerplunk]

14 hours ago, the saint in winchester said:

Appreciate a clickbait report, but, wowsers:

Fenerbahce want to sign five Southampton players; Lyanco, Kameldeen Sulemana, Paul Onuachu, Moussa Djenepo and Ibrahima Diallo this summer according to Fanatik.

They must have been impressed by Nathan Redmond!

 

Ankerson, get that deal done son 👍

[Lee On Solent Saint]

Phil Jones is likely to leave United. His Premier League days are well behind him. Wonder if we will explore a move for him.