Adam Armstrong

[Fan The Flames]

1 hour ago, Saint_clark said:

You and me against the world Gav.

No Gav thinks it came off the Shef Wed defender as well 

 

[Saint_clark]

1 minute ago, Fan The Flames said:

No Gav thinks it came off the Shef Wed defender as well 

 

Reread his post. He said the defender air shot.

[Fan The Flames]

1 minute ago, Saint_clark said:

Reread his post. He said the defender air shot.

Just seen that, I was reading a different post. What we can agree on that AA is in great form and I'm really pleased for the bloke 

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Fan The Flames said:

Just seen that, I was reading a different post. What we can agree on that AA is in great form and I'm really pleased for the bloke 

he has been excellent this season, hasn't he. All started with an unintentional deflection off the face

[Fan The Flames]

2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

he has been excellent this season, hasn't he. All started with an unintentional deflection off the face

See, he even has God rooting for him.

[pimpin4rizeal]

On 13/01/2024 at 18:34, Saint_clark said:

Posting here as well as the match thread.

Arma with 14 goals and 11 assists so far this season, only player in the top four England leagues (and the top leagues around Europe) in double figures for both.

Yet everyone seems to think we NEED a right winger ?

mind boggling shit to me he doesn’t need moving .

as much as Martin has earned our trust I really don’t want to mess with our attacking dynamics for the sake of bringing in a left footed rw..

Edited 14 January, 2024 by pimpin4rizeal

[Whitey Grandad]

8 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

Well I've checked it twice now, why don't you take another look and tell me where a defender touches it. Closest it comes is when the CB sticks a foot out but you can see it bounce off the ground.

Quite clearly deflected by the defender.

[chiknsmack]

7 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

he has been excellent this season, hasn't he. All started with an unintentional deflection off the face

*Unintentional deflection off the back of his head. Next you'll be saying you think the defender didn't touch the ball for Che's goal.

(He obviously did; the flight of the ball from Arma's cross would've seen it bounce knee-high to Adams; the contact by the defender saw it bounce chest-high instead.)

[niceandfriendly]

3 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Quite clearly deflected by the defender.

Yes the direction of the ball even changes when it hits the defenders foot. Strange hill for Saint Clark to die on, as it really couldn't be clearer. But never mind.

Arma, what a player at this level. If he can take a step up to the PL at second attempt, should we get there, what a bonus that would be. Agree with the poster who mentioned his increased work rate and tracking back this year. Perhaps the captaincy inspired that? Or maybe decent management from Russ.

Edited 15 January, 2024 by niceandfriendly

[Sheaf Saint]

4 hours ago, niceandfriendly said:

Arma, what a player at this level. If he can take a step up to the PL at second attempt, should we get there, what a bonus that would be. 

I'm certain he would be much more effective in this team in the PL than he was previously. He's playing in a system that suits him now, unlike previously when the whole team was devoid of confidence and he was either played as a lone striker or in midfield, and never given a decent run of games in either position.

[Fan The Flames]

The first time Mitrović came up to the Prem with Fulham he was good, second he was crap, third time he was brilliant.

[farawaysaint]

More than his goals his assist stats are incredible. He might just be the best overall forward in the league at the moment. 

[Maggie May]

Involved in 26 goals in 29 league games. 

Player of the season so far, surely? 

Edited 5 February, 2024 by Maggie May

[Dusic]

Contract up summer of 2025, imagine we have/will offer him an extension.

[Ted Bates Statue]

On 15/01/2024 at 07:14, Sheaf Saint said:

I'm certain he would be much more effective in this team in the PL than he was previously. He's playing in a system that suits him now, unlike previously when the whole team was devoid of confidence and he was either played as a lone striker or in midfield, and never given a decent run of games in either position.

I hope so. He did score in his very first game with us after all. Confidence sapped away quickly afterwards as a result of the factors you mention

[Tommy Mulgrew]

Did anyone notice who took over as captain when AA left the field yesterday?

Edited 11 February, 2024 by Tommy Mulgrew
Thnx, SC, much obliged. A sensible choice.

[S-Clarke]

5 minutes ago, Tommy Mulgrew said:

Did anyone notice who took over as captain when AA left the field yesterday?

Jan Bednarek took over the captaincy.

Edited 11 February, 2024 by S-Clarke

[Lee On Solent Saint]

On 05/02/2024 at 22:46, Dusic said:

Contract up summer of 2025, imagine we have/will offer him an extension.

If we go up, will he get another chance in the Premier League?

 

[AlexLaw76]

15 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

If we go up, will he get another chance in the Premier League?

 

of course he will...

[Holmes_and_Watson]

4 hours ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

If we go up, will he get another chance in the Premier League?

 

Should we go up, I'd be surprised if he didn't get every opportunity. Offers a lot more than just the goals and assists, for a start.

[hypochondriac]

3 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Should we go up, I'd be surprised if he didn't get every opportunity. Offers a lot more than just the goals and assists, for a start.

I'd give him a chance but hopefully we would have options to the extent that we don't have to rely on him being a success. 

[thesaint sfc]

3 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

I'd give him a chance but hopefully we would have options to the extent that we don't have to rely on him being a success. 

Mara will be our Solanke and get a minimum of 18 goals next season in the prem so don’t worry about it mate. 

[Wade Garrett]

He can’t play right-wing now Sulemana is fit.

[david in sweden]

more than 2 months ........since anyone has posted anything on Adam Armstrong's ongoing contribution throughout the campaign.

Having played second-fiddle to Che Adams since his arrival, at last we have seen something of the form we hoped for when we first signed him.

The first striker to get to 20 goals - since Danny Ings - plus a dozen assists has earned him the Players Award AND the same accolade from the Fans.

It is also notable that he is often the first to track back when the opposition gets a counter attack, and tackles as well as any defender. 

 

He has deputised for Jack Stephens on many occasions this season and is a good role model at both ends of the pitch and truly deserves these awards.

well done Adam.

[CSA96]

Given his contract expires in the summer of 2025, you'd hope/think that if we do fail to go up, renegotiating his contract is going to be a priority this off-season.

[notnowcato]

47 minutes ago, david in sweden said:

more than 2 months ........since anyone has posted anything on Adam Armstrong's ongoing contribution throughout the campaign.

Having played second-fiddle to Che Adams since his arrival, at last we have seen something of the form we hoped for when we first signed him.

The first striker to get to 20 goals - since Danny Ings - plus a dozen assists has earned him the Players Award AND the same accolade from the Fans.

It is also notable that he is often the first to track back when the opposition gets a counter attack, and tackles as well as any defender. 

 

He has deputised for Jack Stephens on many occasions this season and is a good role model at both ends of the pitch and truly deserves these awards.

well done Adam.

Worthy winner of the awards. Can’t help but think he and Che should have shared 60+ goals this season. 

[Fan The Flames]

52 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

Worthy winner of the awards. Can’t help but think he and Che should have shared 60+ goals this season. 

Has any Champ club had two combined 60+ goalscorers in the last 20 years?

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 hours ago, notnowcato said:

Can’t help but think he and Che should have shared 60+ goals this season. 

For Che to be involved with a 60 goal partnership, the other bloke would need to score about 48. 

[notnowcato]

1 hour ago, Fan The Flames said:

Has any Champ club had two combined 60+ goalscorers in the last 20 years?

Probably not and I'm sure my judgement is clouded somewhat by frustration but these are both experienced (albeit not successful) Premier League strikers.

[VectisSaint]

18 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

Probably not and I'm sure my judgement is clouded somewhat by frustration but these are both experienced (albeit not successful) Premier League strikers.

Think you're confusing "Premier League quality" with "played (experienced) in the Premier League". Its clear Adams should have scored more, given how many sitters he has missed, but that's because he is not PL quality. Not so sure about Armstrong, although he too has had a plethora of good chances which he has not converted (but not shocking misses like Adams).

[notnowcato]

26 minutes ago, VectisSaint said:

Think you're confusing "Premier League quality" with "played (experienced) in the Premier League". It’s clear Adams should have scored more, given how many sitters he has missed, but that's because he is not PL quality. Not so sure about Armstrong, although he too has had a plethora of good chances which he has not converted (but not shocking misses like Adams).

Not really, I said they were experienced not successful. 

[Wade Garrett]

I can’t help thinking that they would both be better suited to playing together in a front two partnership, instead of this 4-3-3 bollocks.

[Toussaint]

If we go up he will perform to exactly the same level as he did previously in the prem. His contribution has been immense this season, but he will just not get the time he needs to set himself in the prem that he does in the championship.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 hour ago, Toussaint said:

If we go up he will perform to exactly the same level as he did previously in the prem. His contribution has been immense this season, but he will just not get the time he needs to set himself in the prem that he does in the championship.

Even with that extra time to set himself, he's still missed a fair few chances this season.

[Toussaint]

4 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Even with that extra time to set himself, he's still missed a fair few chances this season.

He has. I was indirectly responding to the point that he should get a new contract if we go up. I don’t think he should, this is his level imo.

Edited 30 April, 2024 by Toussaint
Wording

[bugenhagen]

3 hours ago, notnowcato said:

Not really, I said they were experienced not successful. 

Hey, even Ali Dia has PL experience and would probably be classed by most as not successful 😀

[Chez]

2 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

I can’t help thinking that they would both be better suited to playing together in a front two partnership, instead of this 4-3-3 bollocks.

we could then have four in midfield too, which would protect the fullbacks. Would we still be able to get players into space, play out from the back and dominate possession? I wouldn't have thought it impossible, but maybe it leaves us short in the middle, which at the top level is suicide.

[Chez]

1 hour ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Even with that extra time to set himself, he's still missed a fair few chances this season.

more `big chances' than any other striker in fact. 

I'd argue that when he was played out wide last season (with less pressure to score goals), he was more of a handful - the newcastle cup game at home a prime example (why the fuck he was subbed that night is beyond me) and a better fit to his skills/attributes. He now plays out there all the time, so he may be more effective if we go up, although he's never going to score as many goals as he has this season, obviously. 

[pimpin4rizeal]

Already seeing a lot of harsh comments regarding AA.. think we need to give him time.  With the current tactics russ has been using it’s not surprising he’s not doing well, the width of the front 3 has been sacrificed you have BBD playing more like a wideman with no skill or pace and the midfield 3 have been the most static 3 you could select, so very little support for him. 
 

im confident he will do well if we revert to the 433 from last year 

[kitch]

It's a level too-far for him, personally. AA, Stephens, Smallbone...possibly Aribo - none of them are consistently fast enough mentally. That's the thing I've noticed the most since going back up; How these same players don't get as much time to play as they used to, and, if they do lose possession, how much more likely you are to be punished. Less so with AA, because he failures don't tend to lead to concession; they lead to a missed chance. I believe that's what relegated us two years ago, and I reckon it'll be the same again if we rely on AA again.
Nothing against the guy, he's a proven Championship-level striker, but I don't reckon I'm wrong when I say that's his ceiling. (I really hope I AM wrong, though!)

[hypochondriac]

More than any other player I'd like him to be a success this year. You get the feeling that if he can't produce then it's basically confirmed that he isn't up to it and he may not ever get a chance at this level again. 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

More than any other player I'd like him to be a success this year. You get the feeling that if he can't produce then it's basically confirmed that he isn't up to it and he may not ever get a chance at this level again. 

Likeable guy, just like a few of our squad at the moment, the leap back to the promised land is a leap too far.

[hypochondriac]

Just now, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Likeable guy, just like a few of our squad at the moment, the leap back to the promised land is a leap too far.

It certainly appears to be the case. I thought he may be a bit more effective in this system but if anything he looks worse so far- albeit it has only been three games. 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

45 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

It certainly appears to be the case. I thought he may be a bit more effective in this system but if anything he looks worse so far- albeit it has only been three games. 

It's a bit of a shame really. The squad as it stands are much more personable than when we were relegated. We seem to have guys like Stephens, Armstrong and Smallbone who seem to care about the club, but probably on quality shouldn't still be here. 

[saintant]

Hard to judge AA so far because the way we've set up and played has hardly been conducive to getting the best out of him. We are back to the old argument that he is not given enough chances so has to be clinical with the few he gets - last season he could afford to miss some and still score plenty. Shame he missed the one against Brentford but we've seen even the best strikers miskick the ball so that it hits the standing foot - yes, should have scored but it happens to the best.

[Osvaldorama]

No shame in being a very good championship striker. 
 

Reminds me of players like Dwight Gayle, Le Fondre etc who were prolific in the EFL but just not quite up to it in the PL.  He was great last season and I would love if it he steps up. But I agree; we can’t rely on him to get 5+ goals this season.

Tbh I don’t know who in our squad we can rely on for that many 

[Andrew Watson]

Seems like a top guy and is a top championship striker,but I am afraid that in the premier league a striker gets a small fraction of the chances that they get in the championship. There lies the problem with all our forwards.

[pimpin4rizeal]

2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

It certainly appears to be the case. I thought he may be a bit more effective in this system but if anything he looks worse so far- albeit it has only been three games. 

But this isn’t the system he thrived in last year ? He done well playing in a 433 as a wing forward now he’s being asked to play in a 2 up top with Diaz going out to the wing and leaving him isolated 

[pimpin4rizeal]

Personally still think he looks really lively this season even though many think he’s not good enough for the prem .. couple of efforts vs city plus he delivered a superb cross for onuachu,, again vs arsenal he played a key part in a big chance , he looks more confident then last time in the premiership and surely even the doubters can see he’s looked pretty lively most appearances ?

[beatlesaint]

2 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Personally still think he looks really lively this season even though many think he’s not good enough for the prem .. couple of efforts vs city plus he delivered a superb cross for onuachu,, again vs arsenal he played a key part in a big chance , he looks more confident then last time in the premiership and surely even the doubters can see he’s looked pretty lively most appearances ?

Lively yeah I guess, but he’s not Premier League standard. Next season I’m sure he’ll score about 15 goals and be a star in the Championship for us.