Matthew Le God Posted February 9 Posted February 9 40 minutes ago, Saint_clark said: It's an amount they won't pay, but £20million would easily be enough to get us Morgan Whittaker who would be an upgrade. Whittaker only cost Middlesbrough £5m last month. Would he really be an upgrade? Armstrong is far more established as a prolific scorer at Championship level than Whittaker.
Saint_clark Posted February 9 Posted February 9 37 minutes ago, benjii said: He signed for Middlesbrough two weeks ago and his goal record isn't anywhere near as good as Armstrong's. Doesn't mean we can't sign him in the summer. 2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Whittaker only cost Middlesbrough £5m last month. Would he really be an upgrade? Armstrong is far more established as a prolific scorer at Championship level than Whittaker. Yes he would be. He got 2 goals less than Armstrong last season playing for a much worse side. Armstrong scored a lot but also missed a lot.
saintstowin Posted February 9 Posted February 9 I think there's general agreement about AA's level. Not PL, yes Champ including goals, assists and misses. Next season we'll be in the division where he has success. I hope he stays. All this planning ahead for after our next promotion is a bit too much whatiffery. I think we'll need players we can rely on next season and AA is right up there. 2
SambaMaverick Posted February 9 Posted February 9 6 hours ago, Saint_clark said: It's an amount they won't pay, but £20million would easily be enough to get us Morgan Whittaker who would be an upgrade. Or keep Armstrong, sell for £10-15m if promoted next season and spend £30m on a PL-level striker. Whittaker is no Morgan Rogers. 1
Midfield_General Posted April 5 Posted April 5 Two goals in 10 games, and one was a penalty. They've been playing him up top on his own, which anyone who's seen him play knows he can't do, so that probably doesn't help.
Wade Garrett Posted April 5 Posted April 5 23 minutes ago, Danbert said: Hardly banging them in at West Brom is he Nope. I would try and move him on this Summer. 1
Harry_SFC Posted April 5 Author Posted April 5 49 minutes ago, Danbert said: Hardly banging them in at West Brom is he No because he's a bang average striker. Better coming off the right but still he misses way more than he should. 1
ApprenticeBillionaire Posted April 5 Posted April 5 He's largely being used as a lone striker there. Which is a tough ask for a player 5ft tall and not much physical stature in the Championship. 1
Whitey Grandad Posted April 5 Posted April 5 3 hours ago, Harry_SFC said: No because he's a bang average striker. Better coming off the right but still he misses way more than he should. Bang average does not describe someone who was second top scorer in the Championship last season. 7
Turkish Posted April 5 Posted April 5 3 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: Bang average does not describe someone who was second top scorer in the Championship last season. Bro scored bare goals, Bro is a baller 1
austsaint Posted April 5 Posted April 5 5 hours ago, Harry_SFC said: No because he's a bang average striker. Better coming off the right but still he misses way more than he should. Bang average at Prem level. Very, very good in the Championship. The evidence is overwhelming. 3
SouSaint Posted April 5 Posted April 5 1 hour ago, austsaint said: Bang average at Prem level. Very, very good in the Championship. The evidence is overwhelming. He is some way off being bang average at Prem level. 3
austsaint Posted April 6 Posted April 6 7 hours ago, SouSaint said: He is some way off being bang average at Prem level. He is, sadly. Bang below average! Will that descriptor do? 2 1
OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint Posted April 6 Posted April 6 15 hours ago, Wade Garrett said: Nope. I would try and move him on this Summer. So would I. Him coming back in to the squad would represent a backward step if we're trying to build a team to get back in to the premier league and stay there. I want another striker who can show his worth in the Championship and move up with us, not someone who's going to hang around, occupy a place, then not be in the premier league team. 3
East Kent Saint Posted April 6 Posted April 6 14 hours ago, ApprenticeBillionaire said: He's largely being used as a lone striker there. Which is a tough ask for a player 5ft tall and not much physical stature in the Championship. Why do managers persist with such unproductive tactics ? It was shown at Saints that he was not a suitable candidate to play as a lone striker / target man ! 1
Midfield_General Posted April 6 Posted April 6 (edited) You would think that the fact he has the physical presence of a Subbuteo man would dissuade managers from thinking he'd be good up top on his own. But apparently not. Edited April 6 by Midfield_General 1 2
Harry_SFC Posted April 6 Author Posted April 6 11 hours ago, austsaint said: Bang average at Prem level. Very, very good in the Championship. The evidence is overwhelming. Certainly isn't very very good as a striker though, which was my point. As is being shown at West Brom.
beatlesaint Posted April 6 Posted April 6 1 hour ago, Harry_SFC said: Certainly isn't very very good as a striker though, which was my point. As is being shown at West Brom. Yeah, I thought he’d shine at WBA. He’s been ok but not great. 1
Matthew Le God Posted April 6 Posted April 6 19 hours ago, Wade Garrett said: Nope. I would try and move him on this Summer. He was 2nd top scorer in the league we will be in next season playing on the right rather than centrally. Why would you not want him for next season? It is the season after a promotion he won't be good enough for, not next season. 5
Fabrice29 Posted April 6 Posted April 6 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: He was 2nd top scorer in the league we will be in next season playing on the right rather than centrally. Why would you not want him for next season? It is the season after a promotion he won't be good enough for, not next season. The idea of Championship specialists is fine in theory but say he is our top scorer again next season, it's a tough call to then cut him out of your squad again if promoted. You'll have a manager who will naturally feel loyalty to him for his performances as well. It's up to Spors to be ruthless this summer and start a new cycle and it shouldn't be 1 season focused. We should be cutting ties with quite a lot of players this summer and also they should be wanting to cut ties with us too IMO. Don't see any reason why Armstrong would want to perform again for us next season knowing he'll be cut adrift the season answer if we're promoted. Edited April 6 by Fabrice29 1
miserableoldgit Posted April 6 Posted April 6 31 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: He was 2nd top scorer in the league we will be in next season playing on the right rather than centrally. Why would you not want him for next season? It is the season after a promotion he won't be good enough for, not next season. Yes....I don't get it either. People will be screaming for a prolific goal scorer next season.....and we already have one...or we could get rid of him and take a chance by spending money on someone else. 3
Matthew Le God Posted April 6 Posted April 6 8 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said: The idea of Championship specialists is fine in theory but say he is our top scorer again next season, it's a tough call to then cut him out of your squad again if promoted. You'll have a manager who will naturally feel loyalty to him for his performances as well. It's up to Spors to be ruthless this summer and start a new cycle and it shouldn't be 1 season focused. We should be cutting ties with quite a lot of players this summer and also they should be wanting to cut ties with us too IMO. Don't see any reason why Armstrong would want to perform again for us next season knowing he'll be cut adrift the season answer if we're promoted. Signing a player to replace Armstrong, who will be good enough to have an impact in the Premier League is significantly harder to do as a Championship club. The less risky option is to use players like Armstrong who are stand out players in the Championship and then sell them in the summer of 2026. It is what we should have done last summer, very few of the promotion squad should have stayed. We needed pretty much a complete overhaul of the squad bar Walker-Peters and Dibling. Gelling may have taken a while, but our issue has been player quality and manager tactics. 3
aintforever Posted April 6 Posted April 6 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said: The idea of Championship specialists is fine in theory but say he is our top scorer again next season, it's a tough call to then cut him out of your squad again if promoted. You'll have a manager who will naturally feel loyalty to him for his performances as well. It's up to Spors to be ruthless this summer and start a new cycle and it shouldn't be 1 season focused. We should be cutting ties with quite a lot of players this summer and also they should be wanting to cut ties with us too IMO. Don't see any reason why Armstrong would want to perform again for us next season knowing he'll be cut adrift the season answer if we're promoted. That’s nonsense IMO, players play for money, if getting promoted means a big bonus he wouldn’t give a shite what happens next. A Premier League team is not going to sign him, whoever does would probably ditch him if they go up anyway. Edited April 6 by aintforever 1
Whitey Grandad Posted April 6 Posted April 6 11 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Signing a player to replace Armstrong, who will be good enough to have an impact in the Premier League is significantly harder to do as a Championship club. The less risky option is to use players like Armstrong who are stand out players in the Championship and then sell them in the summer of 2026. It is what we should have done last summer, very few of the promotion squad should have stayed. We needed pretty much a complete overhaul of the squad bar Walker-Peters and Dibling. Gelling may have taken a while, but our issue has been player quality and manager tactics. Gelling? When did we sign him? 1
Matthew Le God Posted April 6 Posted April 6 Just now, Whitey Grandad said: Gelling? When did we sign him? Didn't gel this season! 1
Fabrice29 Posted April 6 Posted April 6 1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said: Signing a player to replace Armstrong, who will be good enough to have an impact in the Premier League is significantly harder to do as a Championship club. The less risky option is to use players like Armstrong who are stand out players in the Championship and then sell them in the summer of 2026. It is what we should have done last summer, very few of the promotion squad should have stayed. We needed pretty much a complete overhaul of the squad bar Walker-Peters and Dibling. Gelling may have taken a while, but our issue has been player quality and manager tactics. I'm not saying sign a player who will be good enough to have an impact in the PL to replace Armstrong now, I'm saying that to motivate players into a promotion season you'll need to convince them they are part of the journey. Not sure we can do that a 2nd time round with some of our squad, including Armstrong and I'd be surprised if they wanted to be part of next season if they know how it ends. 1 hour ago, aintforever said: That’s nonsense IMO, players play for money, if getting promoted means a big bonus he wouldn’t give a shite what happens next. A Premier League team is not going to sign him, whoever does would probably ditch him if they go up anyway. If players play for money then I really hope this isn't you expecting anything different in a different thread... 13 minutes ago, aintforever said: The players don’t give a fuck, they fully deserve the label of shittest ever Prem team.
Wade Garrett Posted April 6 Posted April 6 2 hours ago, Matthew Le God said: He was 2nd top scorer in the league we will be in next season playing on the right rather than centrally. Why would you not want him for next season? It is the season after a promotion he won't be good enough for, not next season. Because I don’t rate him and think he’s become a worse player. 1
Matthew Le God Posted April 6 Posted April 6 1 minute ago, Wade Garrett said: Because I don’t rate him and think he’s become a worse player. He hasn't got worse... this season for us he was playing vs significantly better players than last season and for WBA he is playing in a role he isn't suited for. 1
SfcPhil Posted April 6 Posted April 6 We'd be mad to sell him in the summer. Just because he doesn't cut it at Premier League level has no baring on his Championship creditials. Funny thing is if he was playing for a Championship side this season and had scored 24 goals and made 13 assists, most people would be saying buy him! We have to keep him. Could even make a case for Brereton-Diaz as well. 7
OldNick Posted April 7 Posted April 7 12 hours ago, SfcPhil said: We'd be mad to sell him in the summer. Just because he doesn't cut it at Premier League level has no baring on his Championship creditials. Funny thing is if he was playing for a Championship side this season and had scored 24 goals and made 13 assists, most people would be saying buy him! We have to keep him. Could even make a case for Brereton-Diaz as well. how many games and goals has he scored since joining WBA , i dont know btw
tdmickey3 Posted April 7 Posted April 7 2 hours ago, OldNick said: how many games and goals has he scored since joining WBA , i dont know btw 2
Edmonton Saint Posted yesterday at 15:01 Posted yesterday at 15:01 Dropped to the bench for WBA today, but according to some, he’s integral for our promotion push next year
Matthew Le God Posted yesterday at 15:37 Posted yesterday at 15:37 35 minutes ago, Edmonton Saint said: Dropped to the bench for WBA today, but according to some, he’s integral for our promotion push next year Who said integral?
Give it to Ron Posted yesterday at 17:24 Posted yesterday at 17:24 1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said: Who said integral? Are you determined to ruin every thread? You posted you had a daughter step away from this forum and do something with her for all our and your sanity take a break please. 5
Mr X Posted yesterday at 17:32 Posted yesterday at 17:32 Probably in the minority but I wouldn't want AA back I think we've already seen the best of him in the championship, been a good servant but I think/hope we can do better 2
Lee On Solent Saint Posted yesterday at 18:11 Posted yesterday at 18:11 37 minutes ago, Mr X said: Probably in the minority but I wouldn't want AA back I think we've already seen the best of him in the championship, been a good servant but I think/hope we can do better Not for me either. We need to do better. Sure he scored a few last season, but he missed a fair few as well.
Holmes_and_Watson Posted yesterday at 18:17 Posted yesterday at 18:17 51 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said: Are you determined to ruin every thread? You posted you had a daughter step away from this forum and do something with her for all our and your sanity take a break please. Failing that, his daughter could take a turn posting. Even if she's a toddler, the posts would be more mature and have a better grasp of many topics. 2
Lighthouse Posted yesterday at 20:03 Posted yesterday at 20:03 Given his proven track record in the Championship, it’d be a very strange stance not to at least want him in the squad next year, even if you do think we’re going to find a better striker from somewhere. What was it, 25 goal involvements last season? Unless you’re telling me we’re going to get four other attacking players, all guaranteed to get at least 30, I’d want him around. 6
ErwinK1961 Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago 51 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: Given his proven track record in the Championship, it’d be a very strange stance not to at least want him in the squad next year, even if you do think we’re going to find a better striker from somewhere. What was it, 25 goal involvements last season? Unless you’re telling me we’re going to get four other attacking players, all guaranteed to get at least 30, I’d want him around. 37 I believe. I can’t see him going anywhere, it’s a very niche market that could buy him. No premier league club is going there and most of the championship can’t afford him. Only place I could see him going is Ipswich if (when) they sell Delap. 1
Holmes_and_Watson Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago His work rate alone, lifted us as a Championship team. Some of his early goals were from tight angles from cutbacks. We relied on his individual ability to rise above some of the RussBall flaws. Then, as mentioned, were all his goals and assists. There's no reason, given some half decent SR recruitment around him, he can't be good for us next season.
Turkish Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago One of a long list of players good in the championship not good enough for the premier league. He’ll get us goals next season as he’s proven he’s capable of 2
Wade Garrett Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 26 minutes ago, Turkish said: One of a long list of players good in the championship not good enough for the premier league. He’ll get us goals next season as he’s proven he’s capable of I think he’s had his day. Bench warmer at best for me.
Lighthouse Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago 8 hours ago, Wade Garrett said: I think he’s had his day. Bench warmer at best for me. Based on a third of a season at West Brom, where things aren’t quite going his way? He’s the same age as Niemi, he’s still got years of being a decent Championship player left in him. 1
Harry_SFC Posted 12 hours ago Author Posted 12 hours ago I wouldn't be against keeping him if he's played off the right. However would you see the club selling him if we go up and he's had a decent season. Because that's what we'd need to do. Not sure we are ruthless enough these days.
Matthew Le God Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago (edited) 9 hours ago, Wade Garrett said: I think he’s had his day. Bench warmer at best for me. "Had his day" He isn't 35 years old. He is only 28 years old, in his prime years of his career. His peak being top Championship level, not Premier League. Playing largely on the right, not upfront, he was 2nd top scorer in the league we will be in next season. I wouldn't want him in the team (or squad) after another promotion to the Premier League. But he is alot better than a bench warmer in the Championship! He would be one if the best players in the entire league, as he showed as recently as last season! Edited 11 hours ago by Matthew Le God 3
Lord Duckhunter Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 2 hours ago, Matthew Le God said: But he is alot better than a bench warmer in the Championship! He would be one if the best players in the entire league, as he showed as recently as last season! How’s he getting on in the league where he’s “one of the best players in the entire league” this season. He’s banging them in, isn’t he? One goal from open play in 12 appearances, substituted in 3 of the last 4 games. and on the bench for the 4th… He’s tearing it up….He hasn’t scored a fucking goal since a penalty on 8th March. To put it into perspective, Will Smallbone has banged in as many over the same period, in less games…😂😂
Holmes_and_Watson Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago I'd keep AA ahead of pretty much everyone else we have. Definitely in a support role, but our out and out forwards have proved to be little better. TP, Archer, Stewart, Fraser, Dibling, Edozie, Sule, BBD, Ballard. 1
Matthew Le God Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: How’s he getting on in the league where he’s “one of the best players in the entire league” this season. He’s banging them in, isn’t he? One goal from open play in 12 appearances, substituted in 3 of the last 4 games. and on the bench for the 4th… He’s tearing it up….He hasn’t scored a fucking goal since a penalty on 8th March. To put it into perspective, Will Smallbone has banged in as many over the same period, in less games…😂😂 Why do you think that is? Could it be... they haven't been playing him in the same role we used him. Even in the Championship he isn't a good central striker, but have him out wide and he is a lot more effective. 1
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 19 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Why do you think that is? Could it be... they haven't been playing him in the same role we used him. Even in the Championship he isn't a good central striker, but have him out wide and he is a lot more effective. Isn't he on record as saying he wants to play centrally? Pretty sure Martin said something like that last season.
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