Harry_SFC Posted February 4 Author Posted February 4 3 hours ago, CSA96 said: Good move for all parties, I think. I'd much rather give the bench minutes to Archer over these last 14 games. Arma has had about 100 games at this level and he struggles for more than 2/3 goals each season at PL level. Gives it a good go, but not good enough and isn't about to suddenly click or take a leap I'm sure he'll have a good run of goals between now and the summer, so either he comes back here and is reintegrated (quite possibly with a new coach) or he's spent a few months in the shop window stimulating some interest and bringing in some more bidders. Club gave him a pay rise not so long ago, so he'll still be one of the best paid Championship players if he goes again at St. Mary's for us and will probably be content with that Archer is younger and hasn't had a huge amount of time to prove himself so I agree, it's fair enough that he's still here. 1
DT Posted February 4 Posted February 4 Armstrong has just run around a bit, being ineffectual, for most of this season. It’s as if he knows he is not Prem standard, but can capitalise in the Champ where running around a bit bears fruit. Has been a waste of time for so long so probably best. Seems like a nice bloke, mind. So wish him well. And guess he can help us next season if he wants to come back. Which I doubt. 3
Chez Posted February 4 Posted February 4 2 hours ago, Give it to Ron said: Birmingham paid £15m for Stansfield to play in League One, I believe Boro just sold Latte Lath? For over that too Good point. Brum have spent big and perhaps will have funds to do so again. Boro have made good money on Lath, but doubt they will spend more than half of it on the next guy, the rest will be swallowed up covering annual losses. The more championship clubs with money the more chance we can offload a few, however that also means more competition for us next season.
Saint Billy Posted February 4 Posted February 4 As good as he was last season he has been painfully bad again in the top flight and offered nothing.
die Mannyschaft Posted February 4 Posted February 4 Great player, will never forget the goal v Leeds at Wembley. scoring 24 goals and providing 13 assists in 52 appearances last term - including the promotion-clinching winner against Leeds United in the Championship play-off final at Wembley in May 2024. 9
Zorba Posted February 4 Posted February 4 Putting him in the shop window to sell at the end of the season. He’ll be worth more as a Championship goalscorer than a Premier League flop. Good luck to him. Always served us to the best of his ability. 5
EBS1980 Posted February 4 Posted February 4 7 hours ago, Chez said: Who? WBA's most expensive singing last summer was aboitu £3m. Go through the Championship signings last summer and there is no money at all being spent. Burnley, Norwich, Leeds and Luton made one siging each that was close to £10m. If Leicester went down would they sign him? Ipswich, possibly? Next summer not this summer, If we came back up whoever comes down would take a look at him. 1
OldNick Posted February 5 Posted February 5 (edited) I wish him luck, he gave us a lot last season, but sadly just didnt have that little extra to do it in the PL. Apparently hes quick but I havent seen him use his pace this season and been caught when through Edited February 5 by OldNick
Saint Fan CaM Posted February 5 Posted February 5 Has been a good servant to the club, however when you compare his contribution as a target man/goalscorer in the EPL to others such as Woods, Semanyo and Delap, his limitations are a stark contrast. Having said that, I think a fair amount of blame can be levelled at the system(s) we tend to play with an isolated front line and very weak link up play. 4
Dan Johnson Posted February 5 Posted February 5 (edited) The Modern Day Billy Sharp. Premier league Stats Played: 73 Scored: 6 Scoring Ration 1/12 Championship Stats Played: 232 Scored: 77 Scoring Ratio 1/3 Love him for his work rate, best position for us in the championship was out wide, offered assists, defensive stability and a goal threat. I wish football had room for sentiment, he'd be in our team every week, the harsh reality is he's had a fair crack at the Premier League Whip and certainly right now, he's not good enough. I wish him absolutely nothing but the best Edited February 5 by Dan Johnson 14
Andrew Watson Posted February 5 Posted February 5 Catch 22, bring him back in the summer he scores over 20 goals in the championship next season and then is not good enough for the premier league the following season. Perhaps we will try and sell him in the summer. 1
Jack Posted February 5 Posted February 5 Good luck to him. Would definitely try to keep for a promotion push but he’s never going to cut in in the Prem, just doesn’t back himself or stay onside 1
Chez Posted February 5 Posted February 5 1 hour ago, Andrew Watson said: Catch 22, bring him back in the summer he scores over 20 goals in the championship next season and then is not good enough for the premier league the following season. Perhaps we will try and sell him in the summer. It would be pretty to harsh to sell a guy that has scored 20+ goals in a promotion season, but I suppose we could it. It's such an unsual situation. Has there been any other strikers that have scored in the champ, got a move to the prem, failed at that level, gone down with that side, again scored loads in the championship fo them, but failed again when back in the prem and gone down with the same side? Someone at WBA or Burnley maybe?
Toussaint Posted February 5 Posted February 5 8 hours ago, OldNick said: I wish him luck, he gave us a lot last season, but sadly just didnt have that little extra to do it in the PL. Apparently hes quick but I havent seen him use his pace this season and been caught when through I don’t think he is quick, his legs, being only 18 inches long, create the illusion of speed. They whir along like the wings of a bumblebee without covering much ground. 2 1
austsaint Posted Friday at 09:52 Posted Friday at 09:52 On 06/02/2025 at 02:14, Jack said: Good luck to him. Would definitely try to keep for a promotion push but he’s never going to cut in in the Prem, just doesn’t back himself or stay onside Judged by the IJ Burnley presser I don’t think we’ll see AA play for Saints again. Juric gave the impression that AA wanted to go. He’s had so many chances at Prem level and always come up short - he may well be a thorn in our side next season but we must seek out a better player; one of Spor’s first tasks. Only wish him well - he is a tremendous Championship attacking player. 1
revolution saint Posted Friday at 10:21 Posted Friday at 10:21 On 05/02/2025 at 17:36, Chez said: It would be pretty to harsh to sell a guy that has scored 20+ goals in a promotion season, but I suppose we could it. It's such an unsual situation. Has there been any other strikers that have scored in the champ, got a move to the prem, failed at that level, gone down with that side, again scored loads in the championship fo them, but failed again when back in the prem and gone down with the same side? Someone at WBA or Burnley maybe? Mitrovic for Fulham to an extent. He got 26 goals in the championship in 20/21, 3 goals in the premier league in 21/22 followed by 43 goals in the championship in 22/23. Not quite the same as the next season he followed it up with 14. It's a pretty small list of suitors for him even if we did want to sell though - not many championship sides have the cash we'd want and no premier league team is coming in for him. Basically leaves the two clubs that come down with us and possibly whoever doesn't go back up out of Sheff Utd, Burnley or Leeds. 1
Saint86 Posted Friday at 12:08 Posted Friday at 12:08 (edited) 2 hours ago, austsaint said: Judged by the IJ Burnley presser I don’t think we’ll see AA play for Saints again. Juric gave the impression that AA wanted to go. He’s had so many chances at Prem level and always come up short - he may well be a thorn in our side next season but we must seek out a better player; one of Spor’s first tasks. Only wish him well - he is a tremendous Championship attacking player. I absolutely would not sell him to a championship rival. Scotland or Europe fair enough, but can you imagine him holing our promotion chance next year - either through significant goals and assists for another team, or more directly by sinking us in a game or 2. Edited Friday at 12:10 by Saint86 2
Andy Hill Posted Friday at 13:01 Posted Friday at 13:01 Can’t believe that there are 8 pages on AA - he is just not good enough. Time to move on. 1
goodymatt Posted Friday at 14:06 Posted Friday at 14:06 I don’t get the vibe from this interview that he expects to play for us again. He was ‘dying to join’ and spoke about his ‘time at Southampton’. Juric said he had asked to leave so I’m guessing he doesn’t expect he can break into a Juric team, this season or next. I’ll repeat, not sure this is the best decision as he is our best goal scorer at championship level, where we will soon be.
Whitey Grandad Posted Friday at 14:12 Posted Friday at 14:12 1 hour ago, Andy Hill said: Can’t believe that there are 8 pages on AA - he is just not good enough. Time to move on. Not good enough for the Premier League but we won’t be in it next season.
Holmes_and_Watson Posted Friday at 15:12 Posted Friday at 15:12 1 hour ago, goodymatt said: I don’t get the vibe from this interview that he expects to play for us again. He was ‘dying to join’ and spoke about his ‘time at Southampton’. Juric said he had asked to leave so I’m guessing he doesn’t expect he can break into a Juric team, this season or next. I’ll repeat, not sure this is the best decision as he is our best goal scorer at championship level, where we will soon be. Super signing for any team looking to push for promotion from the championship. He said his target was not only to do that, but just to get games. So, not part of Juric's plans for the rest of this season, as first choice. Since he's worked with Mowbray before, tactics won't be an issue, and he presumably likes working with him. So, a super move for AA too. He might be hoping WBA put a bid in. For us, we'll see. If we play any sort of system where he's a decent fit next season, then he's a great asset to have at that level. 1
Lighthouse Posted Friday at 15:18 Posted Friday at 15:18 On 05/02/2025 at 17:36, Chez said: It would be pretty to harsh to sell a guy that has scored 20+ goals in a promotion season, but I suppose we could it. It's such an unsual situation. Has there been any other strikers that have scored in the champ, got a move to the prem, failed at that level, gone down with that side, again scored loads in the championship fo them, but failed again when back in the prem and gone down with the same side? Someone at WBA or Burnley maybe? Not that exact situation but I'm sure Vydra was always a bit like that. Constantly being signed and loaned between Watford, Burnley and West Brom as they were going up and down but only ever doing it in the Championship. 1
goodymatt Posted Friday at 15:25 Posted Friday at 15:25 5 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: Not that exact situation but I'm sure Vydra was always a bit like that. Constantly being signed and loaned between Watford, Burnley and West Brom as they were going up and down but only ever doing it in the Championship. Some others - Gayle, Sharp, Beckford, Pukki, Lita, Piroe has all the hallmarks.
ErwinK1961 Posted Friday at 16:17 Posted Friday at 16:17 Wonder if there’s any baggies players we could use in exchange? That’s the only way I’d be able to see them affording him in the summer. Think we wanted Fellows before but he seems to have prem suitors.
Harry_SFC Posted Friday at 16:36 Author Posted Friday at 16:36 I'm not as bothered as some that it looks like he won't be back next season. He scored a lot of goals last season but he also missed the most big chances in the league by some distance. Let's move on.
Miltonaggro Posted Friday at 19:20 Posted Friday at 19:20 Photoshoot was delayed a few days as they didn’t have any LB 12-13 shirts in the club shop.
Whitey Grandad Posted Friday at 20:19 Posted Friday at 20:19 3 hours ago, Harry_SFC said: I'm not as bothered as some that it looks like he won't be back next season. He scored a lot of goals last season but he also missed the most big chances in the league by some distance. Let's move on. I thought that was Che Adams?
bugenhagen Posted Friday at 20:32 Posted Friday at 20:32 8 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: I thought that was Che Adams? Could it be that Arma won using the xg model, and Che won when measuring with the banjo to barndoor scale?
Harry_SFC Posted Friday at 21:47 Author Posted Friday at 21:47 1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said: I thought that was Che Adams?
Whitey Grandad Posted Friday at 22:00 Posted Friday at 22:00 12 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said: Not more bloody invented statistics. 1
karlb79 Posted Friday at 22:23 Posted Friday at 22:23 21 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: Not more bloody invented statistics. It's quite simple. It's when you shout at the TV "How the fuck did you miss that?" I remember doing that exactly 28 times to AA last season. 1
Saint_clark Posted Friday at 23:27 Posted Friday at 23:27 1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said: Not more bloody invented statistics. You can't invent a statistic, a statistic is just a record of how often something did or didn't happen. 1
East Kent Saint Posted Saturday at 07:35 Posted Saturday at 07:35 A local cafe has offered free sausages sandwiches if WBA signed AA ! He said WBA needed a goal scorer !
S-Clarke Posted Saturday at 11:01 Posted Saturday at 11:01 20 hours ago, goodymatt said: I don’t get the vibe from this interview that he expects to play for us again. He was ‘dying to join’ and spoke about his ‘time at Southampton’. Juric said he had asked to leave so I’m guessing he doesn’t expect he can break into a Juric team, this season or next. I’ll repeat, not sure this is the best decision as he is our best goal scorer at championship level, where we will soon be. I think he only ends up there if they get promoted, they wouldn't be able to afford him otherwise. He just signed a new contract with us, we're in a strong position to demand upwards of £15m for someone who guarantees you stacks of goals in the Championship. If people don't pay that, we keep him and he scores goals for us. 3
Badger Posted Saturday at 11:21 Posted Saturday at 11:21 16 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: I think he only ends up there if they get promoted, they wouldn't be able to afford him otherwise. He just signed a new contract with us, we're in a strong position to demand upwards of £15m for someone who guarantees you stacks of goals in the Championship. If people don't pay that, we keep him and he scores goals for us. We can demand all we like, but there won’t be many Championship clubs looking to spend £15m on a striker. The exceptions might be the three relegated teams, plus perhaps Birmingham. Our best option of maximising the value from him is as part of a deal with a player coming to us. Unfortunately any player of that value will probably also be subject to Premier League interest.
BarberSaint Posted Saturday at 11:23 Posted Saturday at 11:23 11 hours ago, Saint_clark said: You can't invent a statistic, a statistic is just a record of how often something did or didn't happen. Er... no ...
Whitey Grandad Posted Saturday at 13:07 Posted Saturday at 13:07 13 hours ago, Saint_clark said: You can't invent a statistic, a statistic is just a record of how often something did or didn't happen. Not true. These sorts of figures are opinionated and therefore not factual.
East Kent Saint Posted Saturday at 14:27 Posted Saturday at 14:27 (edited) AA scores after 74 mins on debut 😄 Edited Saturday at 14:28 by East Kent Saint
Saint Matty 76 Posted Saturday at 14:33 Posted Saturday at 14:33 Brilliant finish for the goal. Had quite a few chances beforehand which he just doesn't get in the Premier League. Let's just hope the club aren't silly enough to let him go permanently in the Summer. It's an unfortunate Billy Sharp-esque position he finds himself in, but he also has to be well aware that he's had plenty of opportunity in this league and not been good enough. 4
ApprenticeBillionaire Posted Saturday at 17:51 Posted Saturday at 17:51 (edited) On 07/02/2025 at 09:52, austsaint said: Judged by the IJ Burnley presser I don’t think we’ll see AA play for Saints again. Juric gave the impression that AA wanted to go. He’s had so many chances at Prem level and always come up short - he may well be a thorn in our side next season but we must seek out a better player; one of Spor’s first tasks. Only wish him well - he is a tremendous Championship attacking player. If WBA want him permanantly, he won't be cheap and I don't think they have the pockets. 2 years left on his contract isn't it? Plus he's probably on Premier League money. Edited Saturday at 17:52 by ApprenticeBillionaire
The Kraken Posted Saturday at 18:32 Posted Saturday at 18:32 37 minutes ago, ApprenticeBillionaire said: If WBA want him permanantly, he won't be cheap and I don't think they have the pockets. 2 years left on his contract isn't it? Plus he's probably on Premier League money. Yeah I read earlier today he’s contracted to 2027. And I’d imagine he’s one of our highest earners. Not sure I see Juric being here next season so a fresh start for everyone if that turns out to be. 1
Farmer Saint Posted Saturday at 19:22 Posted Saturday at 19:22 1 hour ago, ApprenticeBillionaire said: If WBA want him permanantly, he won't be cheap and I don't think they have the pockets. 2 years left on his contract isn't it? Plus he's probably on Premier League money. £65k PW I believe.
LGTL Posted Sunday at 08:23 Posted Sunday at 08:23 13 hours ago, Farmer Saint said: £65k PW I believe. Fucking hell 😂 imagine being able to earn that as just a decent Championship striker. 1
Whitey Grandad Posted Sunday at 12:32 Posted Sunday at 12:32 4 hours ago, LGTL said: Fucking hell 😂 imagine being able to earn that as just a decent Championship striker. He earns that as a reward for getting us promoted. 1
Matthew Le God Posted Sunday at 12:57 Posted Sunday at 12:57 19 hours ago, ApprenticeBillionaire said: If WBA want him permanantly, he won't be cheap and I don't think they have the pockets. 2 years left on his contract isn't it? Plus he's probably on Premier League money. Relegation will see his wages drop by circa 40%
benjii Posted Sunday at 13:16 Posted Sunday at 13:16 18 hours ago, Saint_clark said: £20million and they can have him. Why? We'll raise plenty of money through Fernandes, Dibling and likely Ramsdale. What makes you think we'll sign a better champ striker than Armstrong?
Saint_clark Posted Sunday at 13:17 Posted Sunday at 13:17 Just now, benjii said: Why? We'll raise plenty of money through Fernandes, Dibling and likely Ramsdale. What makes you think we'll sign a better champ striker than Armstrong? It's an amount they won't pay, but £20million would easily be enough to get us Morgan Whittaker who would be an upgrade. 1
benjii Posted Sunday at 13:25 Posted Sunday at 13:25 6 minutes ago, Saint_clark said: It's an amount they won't pay, but £20million would easily be enough to get us Morgan Whittaker who would be an upgrade. He signed for Middlesbrough two weeks ago and his goal record isn't anywhere near as good as Armstrong's.
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