Saints 1-2 Grimsby: Match Thread

[warsash saint]

4 minutes ago, saintant said:

Look up the directives for VAR - VAR can only intervene when it's a clear and obvious error.

It was a clear & obvious error ...HE WAS OFFSIDE!

[Maury Dyer]

What will really hurt is we probably won't last in the championship. And BRIGHTON still in the prem Willl hurt even more. 

[saintant]

4 minutes ago, warsash saint said:

It was a clear & obvious error ...HE WAS OFFSIDE!

Then explain why neither the referee or his assistant gave offside in real time. Also, if it is clear and obvious why the need to draw lines and take so long to make a decision? It's a very marginal decision not given as offside by the onfield officials - no need for VAR to get involved and their own directives state that they shouldn't. VAR was not introduced for these very tight calls and it's high time they were told to stick to what they are there for instead of ruining football. 

[Whitey Grandad]

29 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Yes, I genuinely thought there was going to be a red card in that too.

He made a very deliberate movement to intercept the cross and hit the ball with his arm, which was raised at shoulder height. The fact that he was trying to head it is irrelevant, all that proves is that Lyanco is useless.

He did hit him, it quite obviously, litterally did happen. I can't put it any more simply than that. Again, how hard is irrelevant, this isn't UFC. You aren't being graded on how hard you can whack someone. It's against the rules and it's a foul.

Djenepo was outside the box and was not a red card offence, so VAR didn't look at it. Arguably a free kick and booking but that's all.

He had his hand on his back at one point as they were both grabbing each others shirts and fighting for the ball. Orsi didn't hit him. The fact that DCC couldn't maintain his composure against a team fighting relegation in League 2 is pathetic.

It's a foul in the penalty area. The fact that other referees might not have given it is irrelevant. It was a penalty, DCC was an absolute muppet.

Djenepo was well inside. I watched it a few times last night.

Orsi had a flick at DCC who flicked back. Never, ever a penalty.

Lyanco’s arm was in its natural position. He was stooping forward and missed the flight of the ball. Clumsy but not deliberate.

Edited 2 March, 2023 by Whitey Grandad

[Appy]

15 minutes ago, saintant said:

Look up the directives for VAR - VAR can only intervene when it's a clear and obvious error.

That is absolute nonsense, VAR intervenes when a player is offside, by ten yards or a millimetre. 

[Whitey Grandad]

9 minutes ago, warsash saint said:

It was a clear & obvious error ...HE WAS OFFSIDE!

Not until VAR stuck its nose in he wasn’t. The offside law when it was introduced was never intended to be forensically examined in this way.

I want my football back. Let the game flow

[Whitey Grandad]

Just now, Appy said:

That is absolute nonsense, VAR intervenes when a player is offside, by ten yards or a millimetre. 

“Is there any reason I can find for disallowing this goal?”

Unless it’s one of the top six clubs of course.

[saintant]

Just now, Appy said:

That is absolute nonsense, VAR intervenes when a player is offside, by ten yards or a millimetre. 

You are missing the point. Show me the directive that says VAR must look at every offside decision no matter how tight. They are there to guard against clear and obvious errors such as someone being half a yard offside, scoring and that being missed by the onfield officials. They are not there to get out a box of slide rules, pencils, crayons and the like to try to prove a player was a fraction of an inch offside when scoring.

[Appy]

1 minute ago, saintant said:

You are missing the point. Show me the directive that says VAR must look at every offside decision no matter how tight. They are there to guard against clear and obvious errors such as someone being half a yard offside, scoring and that being missed by the onfield officials. They are not there to get out a box of slide rules, pencils, crayons and the like to try to prove a player was a fraction of an inch offside when scoring.

Not really bothered if I’m missing the point, the argument is futile and probably tinged with bias, you’d have no issue if Grimsby had a goal disallowed for the same thing. 

[Whitey Grandad]

1 minute ago, Appy said:

Not really bothered if I’m missing the point, the argument is futile and probably tinged with bias, you’d have no issue if Grimsby had a goal disallowed for the same thing. 

Well, yes I would. VAR is an abomination. Somebody’s pet project and they are desperately trying to make it work. Which it never will.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

20 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Well, yes I would. VAR is an abomination. Somebody’s pet project and they are desperately trying to make it work. Which it never will.

Do other leagues across Europe have these kind of issues? Is VAR the problem or is it the poor performance of the officials behind the screens?

[Baird of the land]

1 hour ago, saintwbu said:

I guarantee you will not find me another example of a penalty given in England where two players are having an altercation nowhere near the ball, whilst the ball is in the goalkeepers arms, and one of those players gets a penalty. 

Did wonder about thinking that as such an off the ball incident would result in red/yellow card not ball moving to spot of the foul.

[kenneth_kenobi]

10 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Do other leagues across Europe have these kind of issues? Is VAR the problem or is it the poor performance of the officials behind the screens?

Both.  I have watched Italian games where there were terrible VAR decisions.  But also many of the officials doing it are hopeless.  The on-field ref needs to stand up to them more and stick with their decision.  VAR was for errors, not to totally interfere with the game.

Edited 2 March, 2023 by kenneth_kenobi

[Lord Duckhunter]

Fuck sake. Are people still arguing about offside. 
 

It’s not a subjective decision, it’s a factual one. Just like the ball crossing the line, doesn’t matter if it’s over by 0000.1 mm it’s still a fucking goal. If you’re offside your offside, it’s always been the same. The only difference now is it’s judged by video not somebodies bins. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

56 minutes ago, saintant said:

You are missing the point. Show me the directive that says VAR must look at every offside decision no matter how tight. 

It doesn’t look at every offside decision. 
 

It looks at every goal. 
 

That’s the VAR directive, read it before posting pony. 

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Yes we wuz robbed by VAR but that’s not really the point. We were worryingly awful. In fact our last two games under a permanent Selles have been disorganised insipid cluster fucks. The players the coaches, the Board and the owners have all  let the fans down and a complete reboot is drastically needed. Assuming SR aren’t going anywhere, Dragan should dispense with Ankersen (the main architect of this carnage), appoint a Board who know how football works and aren’t afraid to stand up and be counted. Clear out all the coaches inc Selles in the summer and appoint a Potter type manager (he may even be available). Then work on the squad. Clearing out all the players who don’t look interested or are only here for their wages. That probably means promoting the youth who will at least have a hunger. The fact that players like Bednarek - who slagged us down when leaving for Villa - are given a starting berth shows how low we have sunk. Build a team around the likes of Jack Stephens ie someone who cares and who wouldn’t be out of place in the Championship. He may make the odd mistake but he sweats blood in the cause and that is what we currently lack. Bree is another who knows the Championship. We have signed too many mercenaries mainly from abroad who see us solely as a stepping stone. Adkins inherited some classy players but he augmented it with solid pros like Hammond, Harding, Sharp and Barnard etc. We had leaders on the pitch in Fonte and Davis. Yes the odd glamour buy from abroad maybe but the core of the team should be versed in the domestic principles of football where loyalty and local pride means something. Not easy I know,  but the mess we are in needs major surgery and big sea changes in the way the club is run, to stop the rot. Otherwise we will be in free fall this time next year. 

[Whitey Grandad]

33 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Fuck sake. Are people still arguing about offside. 
 

It’s not a subjective decision, it’s a factual one. Just like the ball crossing the line, doesn’t matter if it’s over by 0000.1 mm it’s still a fucking goal. If you’re offside your offside, it’s always been the same. The only difference now is it’s judged by video not somebodies bins. 

Yeah, but. It's not something that can be measured accurately. At what point is the ball kicked? When it is first touched or when it has left the boot? Is 50 frames per second fast enough to determine this?

Then there are other subjective matters such as Salah's goal a few weeks ago.

[Saint NL]

There's a post on Reddit claiming that JWP shut the coaches out of the dressing room after the match and there was a huge arguement.

Probably for the best for them to realise just how bad that was last night.

[trousers]

38 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Fuck sake. Are people still arguing about offside. 
 

It’s not a subjective decision, it’s a factual one.

The decision whether to choose a freeze-frame just after the ball has been kicked rather than the one just before the ball has been kicked is somewhat subjective I would venture...

[Chez]

2 hours ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

The biggest mistake in the summer was not signing a leader on the pitch. Last night we so lacked direction, organisation and most importantly a pair of bollocks. Someone in the mould of Jimmy Case. 

Don't get me wrong, I loved Jimmy, got my first season ticket in 1984, so I grew up watching him in our midfield, but when we were getting humped 7-0 at Luton and 6-1 at Everton in 1985/6 season, I wonder of Saints fans were thinking `thank god we had Jimmy's direction and organisation otherwise we could have been thrashed today'. That said, we were a miles better side then than we are now.

I might be mistaken, but in my mind Jimmy appeared to be pretty quiet on the pitch, more of a ruthless, silent assassin type of player than a very vocal guy that directed the troops.

[Mattgtfc]

3 minutes ago, trousers said:

 

Grimsby fan here. Over the moon with the win. I know we rode are luck last night and the var decisions went our way but I thought we played  aswell has we could against a Premier league team. I thought when you brought the subs on and it was 2 1 we would go on and lose. 

The cup run has been brilliant this season and with our 3 last mimiute extra time winners in the playoffs it's been a great few months being a Grimsby fan. Me and 14 year old lad have been to 16 away games this season and last and only seen 2 defeats in the road. Brighton will be a good day even if it's 5 0. 

I hope you stay up and pick some results up. You have a great ground too! I thought when you appointed Jones you would of done better. I watched the man city cup game on TV you looked brilliant. 

All the best for the rest of the season. 

[Lighthouse]

2 hours ago, saintant said:

So why did neither the referee nor his assistant give offside in real time?

What an absurd logic to take. Would you also say that the hand of God in ‘86 was a wonderful, thumping header, or that Lampard’s shot against Germany never crossed the line?

[OldNick]

1 hour ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

Yes we wuz robbed by VAR but that’s not really the point. We were worryingly awful. In fact our last two games under a permanent Selles have been disorganised insipid cluster fucks. The players the coaches, the Board and the owners have all  let the fans down and a complete reboot is drastically needed. Assuming SR aren’t going anywhere, Dragan should dispense with Ankersen (the main architect of this carnage), appoint a Board who know how football works and aren’t afraid to stand up and be counted. Clear out all the coaches inc Selles in the summer and appoint a Potter type manager (he may even be available). Then work on the squad. Clearing out all the players who don’t look interested or are only here for their wages. That probably means promoting the youth who will at least have a hunger. The fact that players like Bednarek - who slagged us down when leaving for Villa - are given a starting berth shows how low we have sunk. Build a team around the likes of Jack Stephens ie someone who cares and who wouldn’t be out of place in the Championship. He may make the odd mistake but he sweats blood in the cause and that is what we currently lack. Bree is another who knows the Championship. We have signed too many mercenaries mainly from abroad who see us solely as a stepping stone. Adkins inherited some classy players but he augmented it with solid pros like Hammond, Harding, Sharp and Barnard etc. We had leaders on the pitch in Fonte and Davis. Yes the odd glamour buy from abroad maybe but the core of the team should be versed in the domestic principles of football where loyalty and local pride means something. Not easy I know,  but the mess we are in needs major surgery and big sea changes in the way the club is run, to stop the rot. Otherwise we will be in free fall this time next year. 

So you think that SR are going to change course and ditch the buying youth to sell on, to all of a sudden buy seasoned pro's ?

To clear out all the dross and coaches will cost a fortune we do not have. Especially with our income slashed dramatically. We will have a pool of players on fat contracts who few will want to buy. I recall Sunderland going down and being in a similar situation. 

We are totally done for, Gao was a far superior owner than this lot, whilst he couldnt send money to us due to the Chinese government, he let the club run without the mad professor ideas that SR brought. Many thought they were saviours but I with others (probably yourself) were sceptical. As for 'we won the transfer window' in the summer lol 

[gecko]

2 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Djenepo was well inside. I watched it a few times last night.

Orsi had a flick at DCC who flicked back. Never, ever a penalty.

Lyanco’s arm was in its natural position. He was stooping forward and missed the flight of the ball. Clumsy but not deliberate.

I can see either side of all of those incidents - all of them could have gone either way, in my opinion, for the reasons you've outlined and the counter argument from others.

I think we can agree that we're pretty unlucky that they ALL went against us, and that both our CBs had complete brain-fart moments in one game

I'd say Walcott was rightly called offside. Although it looked to me like the Grimsby line was very generous to them, possibly because he was obscured by Walcott - which if  the VAR guy only gets one angle to draw lines from, then the system is completely pointless in cases like this.

[OldNick]

48 minutes ago, Chez said:

Don't get me wrong, I loved Jimmy, got my first season ticket in 1984, so I grew up watching him in our midfield, but when we were getting humped 7-0 at Luton and 6-1 at Everton in 1985/6 season, I wonder of Saints fans were thinking `thank god we had Jimmy's direction and organisation otherwise we could have been thrashed today'. That said, we were a miles better side then than we are now.

I might be mistaken, but in my mind Jimmy appeared to be pretty quiet on the pitch, more of a ruthless, silent assassin type of player than a very vocal guy that directed the troops.

100% when I played in a Football aid game he was our captain and in the team, he said sfa. His leadership was in his win mentality

[OldNick]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Fuck sake. Are people still arguing about offside. 
 

It’s not a subjective decision, it’s a factual one. Just like the ball crossing the line, doesn’t matter if it’s over by 0000.1 mm it’s still a fucking goal. If you’re offside your offside, it’s always been the same. The only difference now is it’s judged by video not somebodies bins. 

How does VAR determine when the ball is actually kicked, and is it as soon as the ball leaves the foot ? If it is done manually by a human who draws the line when he thinks it is kicked can make a split second mistake and so the player is deemed offside. 

[warsash saint]

48 minutes ago, Mattgtfc said:

Grimsby fan here. Over the moon with the win. I know we rode are luck last night and the var decisions went our way but I thought we played  aswell has we could against a Premier league team. I thought when you brought the subs on and it was 2 1 we would go on and lose. 

The cup run has been brilliant this season and with our 3 last mimiute extra time winners in the playoffs it's been a great few months being a Grimsby fan. Me and 14 year old lad have been to 16 away games this season and last and only seen 2 defeats in the road. Brighton will be a good day even if it's 5 0. 

I hope you stay up and pick some results up. You have a great ground too! I thought when you appointed Jones you would of done better. I watched the man city cup game on TV you looked brilliant. 

All the best for the rest of the season. 

Glad you enjoyed your trip - thoroughly deserved win as well.  Gotta say your fans were a credit to your club - Div 2 club, mid week, the journey - amazing effort.

Good luck against Brighton - i will be cheering you on

 

[Toadhall Saint]

12 minutes ago, OldNick said:

How does VAR determine when the ball is actually kicked, and is it as soon as the ball leaves the foot ? If it is done manually by a human who draws the line when he thinks it is kicked can make a split second mistake and so the player is deemed offside. 

On the still the ball was like 3 ft long as it left/didn’t leave the foot so not sure they can determine anything from that view. 

[Norm]

1 hour ago, Mattgtfc said:

Grimsby fan here. Over the moon with the win. I know we rode are luck last night and the var decisions went our way but I thought we played  aswell has we could against a Premier league team. I thought when you brought the subs on and it was 2 1 we would go on and lose. 

The cup run has been brilliant this season and with our 3 last mimiute extra time winners in the playoffs it's been a great few months being a Grimsby fan. Me and 14 year old lad have been to 16 away games this season and last and only seen 2 defeats in the road. Brighton will be a good day even if it's 5 0. 

I hope you stay up and pick some results up. You have a great ground too! I thought when you appointed Jones you would of done better. I watched the man city cup game on TV you looked brilliant. 

All the best for the rest of the season. 

Thanks Matt. I didn’t see the game buy I’m told you were worthy winners and good luck v Brighton.

Read a quote from Ally McCoist, saying Grimsby fully deserved to win but that Saints were shocking. Hmmm

[spyinthesky]

I wonder why VAR didnt have a look at the bad tackle by the Grimsby lad on Lavia in the first half.

Looked a definite red card to me and maybe if Lavia had squirmed around like a stuck pig as some players of the foreign persuasion do, then the Ref would have seen more of the tackle.

We have had players sent off, after VAR review, for similar tackles.

Even if Grimsby had gone down to 10 men, I am doubtful if we would have won in view of our general ineptitude.

[Sunglasses Ron]

4 minutes ago, spyinthesky said:

Even if Grimsby had gone down to 10 men, I am doubtful if we would have won in view of our general ineptitude.

Definitely not according to the Nate J. Playbook of excuses.

[Rivers]

I can't remember the last time I felt so embarrassed and ashamed of this Football Club.

We have to be the only club that breaks up and scatters its loudest and most vocal support to make way for a large away following. We were completely outsung for 90 minutes, at home, by a Club that were non-league last year. Yes, they had a long way to travel, and it's not their own ground, but that was effectively a home game for Grimsby last night.

Our home support is fucking abysmal at the best of times these days anyway, since returning to the Premier League, and that's from a man who stands in the Northam doing my best to make a difference. It's just empty, souless and vapid.

I remember in the Championship, one game against Coventry that exemplified our support. We were belting out Oh when the Saints (oh when the Saints) go marching in (go marching in) for twenty minutes solid, and the only thing that stopped us singing, was Gareth Bale firing a free kick into the top corner.

These days we can barely muster a whimper. All just feels totally flat, even without the Club selling our tickets to away fans and making us move.

The game itself was disgusting. I can understand Ruben wanting to see what those who had been on the fringes could do, and that line up should have been more than capable of dispatching a struggling League Two side. We moved the ball around nicely enough, 75% possession, yet managed to do the square root of fuck all with it. The worst aspect by far, was how utterly static we were. Whoever was on the ball had no forward passes to play,  as time and time again, the useless cunts were literally stood motionless, waiting for the ball to come whilst being closely marked. It was comical if not so infuriating.

I'm pretty sure the manager is not telling them to go out and perform their best impressions of statues. A set of madame tussauds waxwork models of our players would likely have offered more movement.

When Adam Armstrong reemerged from the tunnel on the other side of half time, it was obviously game over.

The VAR officials clearly enjoyed their chance to contribute to a historic giant killing (I use the term loosely). That second penalty has already been dissected on here and saved me the trouble, but the only good thing about that decision is that it affords me the opportunity to use the word clusterfuck again. An utterly abominable decision, and once Saints go two goals down, we all know it's game over. Even against league two Grimsby.

But even with two awful penalties against, we should still have had enough about us to at least take that to extra time against a tiring league two team.

The final straw for me was eagerly awaiting to obvious arrival of Onuachu for a flurry of crosses into the box.....

and seeing Joe-Fucking Aribo lumbering forward from the bench instead.

The only highlight of the evening for me was long after the final whistle had buried our comatose team. Taking my dog out to perform her evening toiletries, and watching her playing out a fantastic impression of crop-circles Fernandes, whilst taking two minutes to decide where she was going to take a piss.

[OldNick]

I ask a question, JWP was playing a No 10 role under Jones and seemed to be better for it. Have we moved him back to the sideways/backwards passing routine again? 

It was quite refreshing to see one of our players bursting into the box to pick up the pieces, seems to me that it has been stopped

[Whitey Grandad]

19 minutes ago, Rivers said:

I can't remember the last time I felt so embarrassed and ashamed of this Football Club.

We have to be the only club that breaks up and scatters its loudest and most vocal support to make way for a large away following. We were completely outsung for 90 minutes, at home, by a Club that were non-league last year. Yes, they had a long way to travel, and it's not their own ground, but that was effectively a home game for Grimsby last night.

Our home support is fucking abysmal at the best of times these days anyway, since returning to the Premier League, and that's from a man who stands in the Northam doing my best to make a difference. It's just empty, souless and vapid.

I remember in the Championship, one game against Coventry that exemplified our support. We were belting out Oh when the Saints (oh when the Saints) go marching in (go marching in) for twenty minutes solid, and the only thing that stopped us singing, was Gareth Bale firing a free kick into the top corner.

These days we can barely muster a whimper. All just feels totally flat, even without the Club selling our tickets to away fans and making us move.

The game itself was disgusting. I can understand Ruben wanting to see what those who had been on the fringes could do, and that line up should have been more than capable of dispatching a struggling League Two side. We moved the ball around nicely enough, 75% possession, yet managed to do the square root of fuck all with it. The worst aspect by far, was how utterly static we were. Whoever was on the ball had no forward passes to play,  as time and time again, the useless cunts were literally stood motionless, waiting for the ball to come whilst being closely marked. It was comical if not so infuriating.

I'm pretty sure the manager is not telling them to go out and perform their best impressions of statues. A set of madame tussauds waxwork models of our players would likely have offered more movement.

When Adam Armstrong reemerged from the tunnel on the other side of half time, it was obviously game over.

The VAR officials clearly enjoyed their chance to contribute to a historic giant killing (I use the term loosely). That second penalty has already been dissected on here and saved me the trouble, but the only good thing about that decision is that it affords me the opportunity to use the word clusterfuck again. An utterly abominable decision, and once Saints go two goals down, we all know it's game over. Even against league two Grimsby.

But even with two awful penalties against, we should still have had enough about us to at least take that to extra time against a tiring league two team.

The final straw for me was eagerly awaiting to obvious arrival of Onuachu for a flurry of crosses into the box.....

and seeing Joe-Fucking Aribo lumbering forward from the bench instead.

The only highlight of the evening for me was long after the final whistle had buried our comatose team. Taking my dog out to perform her evening toiletries, and watching her playing out a fantastic impression of crop-circles Fernandes, whilst taking two minutes to decide where she was going to take a piss.

You do know that he wasn't even on the bench? Or were you being ironic?

[davefizzy14]

My word were there some shocking VAR decisions that went against us last night! 

[Badger]

1 hour ago, spyinthesky said:

Even if Grimsby had gone down to 10 men, I am doubtful if we would have won in view of our general ineptitude.

Not even a L2 team have to stoop to playing with 10 men to make it more difficult for us. 

[Toussaint]

3 hours ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

Yes we wuz robbed by VAR but that’s not really the point. We were worryingly awful. In fact our last two games under a permanent Selles have been disorganised insipid cluster fucks. The players the coaches, the Board and the owners have all  let the fans down and a complete reboot is drastically needed. Assuming SR aren’t going anywhere, Dragan should dispense with Ankersen (the main architect of this carnage), appoint a Board who know how football works and aren’t afraid to stand up and be counted. Clear out all the coaches inc Selles in the summer and appoint a Potter type manager (he may even be available). Then work on the squad. Clearing out all the players who don’t look interested or are only here for their wages. That probably means promoting the youth who will at least have a hunger. The fact that players like Bednarek - who slagged us down when leaving for Villa - are given a starting berth shows how low we have sunk. Build a team around the likes of Jack Stephens ie someone who cares and who wouldn’t be out of place in the Championship. He may make the odd mistake but he sweats blood in the cause and that is what we currently lack. Bree is another who knows the Championship. We have signed too many mercenaries mainly from abroad who see us solely as a stepping stone. Adkins inherited some classy players but he augmented it with solid pros like Hammond, Harding, Sharp and Barnard etc. We had leaders on the pitch in Fonte and Davis. Yes the odd glamour buy from abroad maybe but the core of the team should be versed in the domestic principles of football where loyalty and local pride means something. Not easy I know,  but the mess we are in needs major surgery and big sea changes in the way the club is run, to stop the rot. Otherwise we will be in free fall this time next year. 

If it is possible I'd recall Jack Stephens right now, he has exactly the qualities we are lacking and would make an excellent captain in this time of need.

[Whitey Grandad]

15 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

If it is possible I'd recall Jack Stephens right now, he has exactly the qualities we are lacking and would make an excellent captain in this time of need.

He is getting tonked regularly at Bournemouth so I wouldn't raise your hopes.

[Toussaint]

1 minute ago, Whitey Grandad said:

He is getting tonked regularly at Bournemouth so I wouldn't raise your hopes.

You mean he is not playing well or Bournemouth are getting tonked?

[shayne66]

Hi all, Grimsby Town fan here. 

After staying over, just got home and had a lot of time to have a rethink of what happened last night during the drive. 

Am actually not going to mention the match at all, but your fans/supporters/police/stewards. Literally the people of Southampton. 

Wow is all I can say, you guys before and after the match were superb. Spoke to many in pubs and on the streets before the game, and also afterwards on way back to pub/hotel. Everyone was super friendly, so much so.

Thinking of coming back and having a proper visit to the area.

 

Good luck for the rest of the season and hopefully will see you survive the drop. 

 

[The Cat]

3 hours ago, Saint NL said:

There's a post on Reddit claiming that JWP shut the coaches out of the dressing room after the match and there was a huge arguement.

Probably for the best for them to realise just how bad that was last night.

This is NOT true. Don't believe everything you read, especially on Reddit!

[Toussaint]

8 minutes ago, The Cat said:

This is NOT true. Don't believe everything you read, especially on Reddit!

Do you know for a fact it’s not true? I was hoping it was.

[JRM]

7 minutes ago, shayne66 said:

Hi all, Grimsby Town fan here. 

After staying over, just got home and had a lot of time to have a rethink of what happened last night during the drive. 

Am actually not going to mention the match at all, but your fans/supporters/police/stewards. Literally the people of Southampton. 

Wow is all I can say, you guys before and after the match were superb. Spoke to many in pubs and on the streets before the game, and also afterwards on way back to pub/hotel. Everyone was super friendly, so much so.

Thinking of coming back and having a proper visit to the area.

 

Good luck for the rest of the season and hopefully will see you survive the drop. 

 

Pleased you enjoyed your trip, i spoke to a few Grimsby fans on the train down and enjoyed chatting to them, you'd actually played in the area a few months  ago at Eastleigh, hold off booking your return visit just yet might as well combine it when we meet in league one in a couple of years. 

 

[Chez]

3 hours ago, Mattgtfc said:

Grimsby fan here. Over the moon with the win. I know we rode are luck last night and the var decisions went our way but I thought we played  aswell has we could against a Premier league team. I thought when you brought the subs on and it was 2 1 we would go on and lose. 

The cup run has been brilliant this season and with our 3 last mimiute extra time winners in the playoffs it's been a great few months being a Grimsby fan. Me and 14 year old lad have been to 16 away games this season and last and only seen 2 defeats in the road. Brighton will be a good day even if it's 5 0. 

I hope you stay up and pick some results up. You have a great ground too! I thought when you appointed Jones you would of done better. I watched the man city cup game on TV you looked brilliant. 

All the best for the rest of the season. 

Great performance from your guys. In the end you deserved the victory. Good luck to you in the next round. 

[bangkoksaint]

3 hours ago, OldNick said:

100% when I played in a Football aid game he was our captain and in the team, he said sfa. His leadership was in his win mentality

I too played in a Football Aid game where he was the Captain. I remember someone saying not to kick him as he’d give it back but with interest!!

[The Cat]

17 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

Do you know for a fact it’s not true? I was hoping it was.

Yes. It's not true.

[Nordic Saint]

5 hours ago, Rivers said:

I can't remember the last time I felt so embarrassed and ashamed of this Football Club.

We have to be the only club that breaks up and scatters its loudest and most vocal support to make way for a large away following. We were completely outsung for 90 minutes, at home, by a Club that were non-league last year. Yes, they had a long way to travel, and it's not their own ground, but that was effectively a home game for Grimsby last night.

Our home support is fucking abysmal at the best of times these days anyway, since returning to the Premier League, and that's from a man who stands in the Northam doing my best to make a difference. It's just empty, souless and vapid.

 

Our most vocal fans do that for themselves. Instead of forming a large group behind the goal at the home end (the Chapel), they divide themselves into 2 small groups and lurk in the corners of the away end, where they are easily drowned out by a large united group of away fans and are least likely to be seen or heard by the rest of the crowd, the players and most importantly, the referees. When there's a big away following for an FA Cup game, they disappear completely.

The only reason they seemed louder in the Championship was that away teams brought far fewer fans there and so home fans filled most of the Northam. I say, 'they' because I'm an old man now but when I was younger I used to stand behind the goal and sing louder than most. When we were at the Dell, we dreamed of having a large covered home end like we now have at St Mary's, which makes it all the more galling that it isn't used. At away games our most vocal fans are forced to stand together in one large group so at least our away support is not too bad.

Hopefully, the Club will put the safe standing area in the middle of the Chapel and create a proper home end. But, the fans have to play their part.

Edited 2 March, 2023 by Nordic Saint

[saintant]

2 hours ago, Rivers said:

I can't remember the last time I felt so embarrassed and ashamed of this Football Club.

We have to be the only club that breaks up and scatters its loudest and most vocal support to make way for a large away following. We were completely outsung for 90 minutes, at home, by a Club that were non-league last year. Yes, they had a long way to travel, and it's not their own ground, but that was effectively a home game for Grimsby last night.

Our home support is fucking abysmal at the best of times these days anyway, since returning to the Premier League, and that's from a man who stands in the Northam doing my best to make a difference. It's just empty, souless and vapid.

I remember in the Championship, one game against Coventry that exemplified our support. We were belting out Oh when the Saints (oh when the Saints) go marching in (go marching in) for twenty minutes solid, and the only thing that stopped us singing, was Gareth Bale firing a free kick into the top corner.

These days we can barely muster a whimper. All just feels totally flat, even without the Club selling our tickets to away fans and making us move.

The game itself was disgusting. I can understand Ruben wanting to see what those who had been on the fringes could do, and that line up should have been more than capable of dispatching a struggling League Two side. We moved the ball around nicely enough, 75% possession, yet managed to do the square root of fuck all with it. The worst aspect by far, was how utterly static we were. Whoever was on the ball had no forward passes to play,  as time and time again, the useless cunts were literally stood motionless, waiting for the ball to come whilst being closely marked. It was comical if not so infuriating.

I'm pretty sure the manager is not telling them to go out and perform their best impressions of statues. A set of madame tussauds waxwork models of our players would likely have offered more movement.

When Adam Armstrong reemerged from the tunnel on the other side of half time, it was obviously game over.

The VAR officials clearly enjoyed their chance to contribute to a historic giant killing (I use the term loosely). That second penalty has already been dissected on here and saved me the trouble, but the only good thing about that decision is that it affords me the opportunity to use the word clusterfuck again. An utterly abominable decision, and once Saints go two goals down, we all know it's game over. Even against league two Grimsby.

But even with two awful penalties against, we should still have had enough about us to at least take that to extra time against a tiring league two team.

The final straw for me was eagerly awaiting to obvious arrival of Onuachu for a flurry of crosses into the box.....

and seeing Joe-Fucking Aribo lumbering forward from the bench instead.

The only highlight of the evening for me was long after the final whistle had buried our comatose team. Taking my dog out to perform her evening toiletries, and watching her playing out a fantastic impression of crop-circles Fernandes, whilst taking two minutes to decide where she was going to take a piss.

You make some great points including the one that I've been banging on about for ages - we are too static. Where is the pass and move or the clever positioning between the lines that is the recipe for good flowing football. The coaches must see it's not happening so why is nothing being done. It's basics.

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, Toussaint said:

You mean he is not playing well or Bournemouth are getting tonked?

Both really. Bournemouth are not great defensively and he is a part of that. I saw them at home to Burnley and whilst he started off ok he was soon back in his usual routine.

[Weston Super Saint]

oooppppssss

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-64824120

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Grimsby Town has apologised for posting an "inappropriate" short video of Harvey Price following its FA Cup win at Southampton.

According to reports, the League Two club tweeted a clip showing Mr Price, the disabled son of TV star Katie Price.