Fabrice29 Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 He was a ball boy again today along with other youth team players. He was one of a couple who were hobbling around I saw. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted June 4 Author Share Posted June 4 (edited) ... Edited June 4 by trousers old news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behind Enemy Lines Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 3 hours ago, trousers said: ... Now that’s taking fence sitting to the Premier League level! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 4 hours ago, trousers said: ... Great post 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BERMUDASAINT Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 Who was the short kid near the end of the trophy cerimony? Third from last, on the left, standing next to Beds and Sully? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disconnect Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 1 hour ago, BERMUDASAINT said: Who was the short kid near the end of the trophy cerimony? Third from last, on the left, standing next to Beds and Sully? Probably Larios if I'm guessing without seeing the picture. Shame he's been injured for so long, could be a good player for us 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted July 3 Author Share Posted July 3 On 23/02/2023 at 14:35, trousers said: Looks like a superb prospect. Assume he's already on Chelsea's & Man City's radar.... p.s. Are we allowed to play 14 year olds in the Premier League....? Gutted he wants to leave as I felt he was destined to be the first genuine 'star' to come out of the academy since the halcyon days of Bale, Lallana, JWP, etc. Poop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 Always felt like it was only a matter of time before he left. I don't get excited about bright prospects anymore because I know they'll never play for us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis17 Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 Going to Brighton apparently 😑 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osvaldorama Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 All the money we wasted on big contracts.. and we can’t give this guy a few more quid. Seems a bit strange from us considering how good he is. We really need to get a handle on the youth system. It’s not good that we keep losing prospects. Club needs to address it and get the academy world class again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 Brighton's pe$ky pathway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 We don't know the ins and outs I suppose but I guess there is a wage structure for 16 year olds and I can't imagine us breaking it or throwing thousands at them when they have only shown it at a lower level. How many times have we seen young prospects go off the rails because of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 1 minute ago, Saint_Ash said: We don't know the ins and outs I suppose but I guess there is a wage structure for 16 year olds and I can't imagine us breaking it or throwing thousands at them when they have only shown it at a lower level. How many times have we seen young prospects go off the rails because of money. You are correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 32 minutes ago, beavis17 said: Going to Brighton apparently 😑 Really hope this isn't true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 25 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said: All the money we wasted on big contracts.. and we can’t give this guy a few more quid. Seems a bit strange from us considering how good he is. We really need to get a handle on the youth system. It’s not good that we keep losing prospects. Club needs to address it and get the academy world class again. Alternatively you open the floodgates, wherein every child that shows promise has parents (or an agent) that smell blood. And even if you do start playing that game with, say, U17s or U16s - where does it end? How young do the players get before you draw the line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 That's properly gutting if he's going to Brighton. How far we've fallen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barsiem Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 See what happens but I've always thought part of what made him look so good was that he was so much bigger than everyone else his age, which obviously will change as he reaches the men's game. Still, him going to Brighton speaks volumes of our academy pathway, or lack thereof currently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 6 minutes ago, Barsiem said: Still, him going to Brighton speaks volumes of our academy pathway, or lack thereof currently It really doesn’t at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 (edited) 1 hour ago, Barsiem said: 1) See what happens but I've always thought part of what made him look so good was that he was so much bigger than everyone else his age, which obviously will change as he reaches the men's game. 2) Still, him going to Brighton speaks volumes of our academy pathway, or lack thereof currently 1) He is not particularly tall or big for his age. This is about money, not pathway. Saints sticking to a wage structure. 2) The pathway into Brighton's 1st team is tougher than ours as they have better players. Edited July 3 by Matthew Le God 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted July 3 Author Share Posted July 3 Brighton FFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 Brighthelmstone. Fuck. How far we've fallen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said: 1) He is not particularly tall or big for his age. This is about money, not pathway. Saints sticking to a wage structure. 2) The pathway into Brighton's 1st team is tougher than ours as they have better players. What's with the shit haircuts these kids have these days? Anyway not that bothered if we was generational talent he would already be close to the first team and we would pay him a small fortune. He isnt so its a risk paying big money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabrice29 Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 (edited) 1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said: 1) He is not particularly tall or big for his age. This is about money, not pathway. Saints sticking to a wage structure. 2) The pathway into Brighton's 1st team is tougher than ours as they have better players. That’s not the way ‘pathways’ work mate and however tougher it might be it’s quite clear from their records theirs is more appealing than ours. I think people are stuck in a bit of a time warp regarding our academy. We aren’t the poster boys of opportunities anymore, quite a bit to do with lack of quality but there’s very little we can sit down to a under 18 year old and point towards and say ‘that can be you soon’. Fancy coming off the bench sometimes when we’re 4-1 up? Nah? What about going on loan to port vale? No? You’re off to Brighton instead are you? That’s weird. Edited July 3 by Fabrice29 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said: 1) He is not particularly tall or big for his age. Definitely hairier though.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevematthews635 Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 2 minutes ago, suewhistle said: Definitely hairier though.. There is no pathway any longer at saints. Unless you play for someone else's Academy. Dibling looked the real deal only to be dropped with Edozie coming in ( who has shown very little). I really don't blame the youngsters. Go to another club and earn far more money and maybe have more of a pathway 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabrice29 Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 1 hour ago, stevematthews635 said: There is no pathway any longer at saints. Unless you play for someone else's Academy. Dibling looked the real deal only to be dropped with Edozie coming in ( who has shown very little). I really don't blame the youngsters. Go to another club and earn far more money and maybe have more of a pathway I don’t think there is no pathway at Saints either fwiw. We’re stuck in a weird phase were we haven’t had good enough players coming through and then when we do we’re in a league situation that didn’t really call for patience and environment for them to played lots over experience. That’s fine and understandable but will lead to a situation where players below them will rightly be turned by other offers, whether it be a pathway related, money related or just the chance to play European youth football and train with the best. Hopefully we can convince Dibling, SAA, Meghoma at least there is opportunity here but that trust needs to be earned by the club at some stage 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 1 hour ago, stevematthews635 said: There is no pathway any longer at saints. Unless you play for someone else's Academy. Dibling looked the real deal only to be dropped with Edozie coming in ( who has shown very little). I really don't blame the youngsters. Go to another club and earn far more money and maybe have more of a pathway That really isn’t true though. In the last few years some very okay players have had first team opportunities at Saints. Never in a million years would Smallbone get first team football at 3/4 of PL clubs. Tella made about 30 odd first team appearances for us, having been released by Arsenal. SAA played a few games for us, when he clearly wasn’t ready, even for Championship football. AGR has just turned 16, so to say your pathway is being blocked would be absolute horse sh*t. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 (edited) 3 hours ago, SuperSAINT said: It really doesn’t at all. Respect your knowledge so interested to hear your expanded view on this? IMO if the goal of the academy is to produce players for our first team and subsequently generate revenue then its madness that almost all of our recent best prospects have chosen to leave the club: Miles, AGR, Doyle, JJM, Dibling initially etc. Surely whilst you need principles its a little pointless if the market then dictates that the few academy players who have PL potential end up leaving to rivals? End of the day talent has a market value and ifnwe try to undervalue them does it do us any favours? Also...re pathway comments from others, its not just about first team apps. Our use of loan moves to develop players has been absolutely abysmal for years. Aside from Tella and Smallbone who were outside of academy age anyway I can barely think of a move that has gone well for one of our top lads. Doesn't bode well for the likes of Dibling, Ballard, Meghoma and SAA if they still don't get a chance here. Its clear something isn't working right whether strategic or execution of that strategy. Edited July 3 by Dusic 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screechio Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 I can remember Semmens and Crocker saying that the academy's goal was to turn out players good enough to play professionally. If they were good enough for the first team, then it was a bonus. Hopefully with the investment since SR's takeover, the pathway will be better. But I don't believe we have had a manager brave enough to do it since Poch left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washsaint Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 32 minutes ago, screechio said: I can remember Semmens and Crocker saying that the academy's goal was to turn out players good enough to play professionally. If they were good enough for the first team, then it was a bonus. Hopefully with the investment since SR's takeover, the pathway will be better. But I don't believe we have had a manager brave enough to do it since Poch left. Actually we did - Puel. Does not seem that Martin is that guy though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 Let's hope he's as good as Kane McClaggon, Omar Rowe, Jamie White or even, dare I say, Matt Mills. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 4 hours ago, Fabrice29 said: I don’t think there is no pathway at Saints either fwiw. We’re stuck in a weird phase were we haven’t had good enough players coming through and then when we do we’re in a league situation that didn’t really call for patience and environment for them to played lots over experience. That’s fine and understandable but will lead to a situation where players below them will rightly be turned by other offers, whether it be a pathway related, money related or just the chance to play European youth football and train with the best. Hopefully we can convince Dibling, SAA, Meghoma at least there is opportunity here but that trust needs to be earned by the club at some stage Must admit, I don't follow anything other than the men's first team but I do remember through rose-tinted spectacles seeing Walcott come on for the first time and thinking Bale was a product of our academy whereas now the pipeline has run dry. Dibling, SAA and Meghoma have been given opportunities (and SAA looked ok in pre-seasons last year) but ultimately, they couldn't make our championship side. They're nowhere near the standard of youth player hovered up by the likes of Man City and I can't see them getting much game time now we're back in the premiership. So what strategy should SR have for the academies? I got the impression Saints were closing the academy for the ultra young at my son's university in Bath, so they seem to be curtailing their reach for the youngsters. Maybe, like Brighton, we should target 15/16 year olds to nurture rather than hope for more JWPs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 5 hours ago, Dusic said: Also...re pathway comments from others, its not just about first team apps. Our use of loan moves to develop players has been absolutely abysmal for years. Aside from Tella and Smallbone who were outside of academy age anyway I can barely think of a move that has gone well for one of our top lads. Doesn't bode well for the likes of Dibling, Ballard, Meghoma and SAA if they still don't get a chance here. So how is that our use of the loan system being abysmal? If a young player does nothing here, has little impact on loan in a lesser league, then gets released and signs for someone much lower down the pyramid, it points almost unequivocally towards that player not being Saints standard. We loan these young players out to a variety of different clubs at lower levels, what else is it that you expect a good club to do that we’re so ‘abysmal’ at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 1 hour ago, benjii said: Let's hope he's as good as Kane McClaggon, Omar Rowe, Jamie White or even, dare I say, Matt Mills. Cosimo Sarli, Mark Paul ... all the others who were destined to be superstars! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 according to this still a chance Gomes-Rodriguez will stay 🙏 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 11 hours ago, benjii said: Let's hope he's as good as Kane McClaggon, Omar Rowe, Jamie White or even, dare I say, Matt Mills. Calum chambers was once described as the new Bobby Moore 🤣🤣🤣🤣 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 11 hours ago, benjii said: Let's hope he's as good as Kane McClaggon, Omar Rowe, Jamie White or even, dare I say, Matt Mills. High bar... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 8 minutes ago, Turkish said: Calum chambers was once described as the new Bobby Moore 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Surely, Davro. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 9 minutes ago, Turkish said: Calum chambers was once described as the new Bobby Moore 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Accused of nicking jewelry? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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