Toussaint Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 19 hours ago, JRM said: Might just be upper, not sure but it's only one tier as far as I know, half the allocation I’m in the lower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 10 hours ago, Warriorsaint said: Watching motd and thinking how we thought Hojberg wasn’t good enough for our team. He must laugh at our numpty fans. Who did? Most could see how difficult that role is under Ralph, and Hojbjerg was a very decent player for us. His passing was frustrating though, which he's definitely improved at Spurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petermcpete Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 If anyone is looking, I have a spare adult ticket for Leeds - if anyone wants it, please message me. Price is £31.50 so face value + booking fee. Am midlands based so ideally would meet before the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osvaldorama Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 It’s so bloody nice to be looking forward to a game instead of dreading it. Going to be a tough game in a hostile ground but we can do them if we play like we did on Sat. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 Unlike others I would be happy with a point as I think the loss of 2 home points hurts Leeds a lot more than us losing 2 away points. Of course, I would love a win but even a draw is good for us and keeps momentum going. Let's not lose though, that would be disappointing even in what will be a very tough game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 I think Sulemana will be key, he's clearly a quality ball carrier. Thought Enzo did well against him for chelsea because he didn't let him turn him and had the ability to push him towards the channels, but not sure the Leeds midfield and defence has the same quality. Would like to see what big Paul can do in the box, seems to be a good fit so far in hold up play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 46 minutes ago, saintant said: Unlike others I would be happy with a point as I think the loss of 2 home points hurts Leeds a lot more than us losing 2 away points. Of course, I would love a win but even a draw is good for us and keeps momentum going. Let's not lose though, that would be disappointing even in what will be a very tough game. I think we're now in a position where draws against relegation rivals aren't really enough. If we can nick a win on Saturday it puts us completely back in it. Of course a draw wouldn't be the end of the world, but we can't expect to go to places like Stamford Bridge and win, and then lose against the likes of Wolves, Leeds, West Ham, Everton, Forest, Bournemouth etc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 Bazunu KWP ABK Salisu Perraud Lavia JWP Stu Sulemana Adams Onuachu Possible argument that Adams and Tall Paul will be wanting to similar things, but I think having two that can hold it up a bit will allow the other to get in the box more and hopefully we could see some crosses into Paul. Would have no problems with Adams dropping out and Sulemana going up top with possibly Alcaraz being the other 10. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 10 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said: I think we're now in a position where draws against relegation rivals aren't really enough. If we can nick a win on Saturday it puts us completely back in it. Of course a draw wouldn't be the end of the world, but we can't expect to go to places like Stamford Bridge and win, and then lose against the likes of Wolves, Leeds, West Ham, Everton, Forest, Bournemouth etc If we were ahead of these guys, then yeah you'd take a point away from home, but as we're already playing catch up we need to make the most of the oppertunites where we can inflict the most damage. This will enable us to go above Leeds, create a couple of points gap and give us the momentum. If we win on Saturday then clubs above us, up as far as even Palace, will start to get a bit twitchy, as their next 6 weeks of fixtures are nasty. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint77 Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: If we were ahead of these guys, then yeah you'd take a point away from home, but as we're already playing catch up we need to make the most of the oppertunites where we can inflict the most damage. This will enable us to go above Leeds, create a couple of points gap and give us the momentum. If we win on Saturday then clubs above us, up as far as even Palace, will start to get a bit twitchy, as their next 6 weeks of fixtures are nasty. A draw at Leeds will be a good result its at st Marys we need to up our game both on and off the pitch we really need to get behind the team and change the atmosphere were far to quiet 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 19 minutes ago, saintwbu said: Bazunu KWP ABK Salisu Perraud Lavia JWP Stu Sulemana Adams Onuachu Possible argument that Adams and Tall Paul will be wanting to similar things, but I think having two that can hold it up a bit will allow the other to get in the box more and hopefully we could see some crosses into Paul. Would have no problems with Adams dropping out and Sulemana going up top with possibly Alcaraz being the other 10. After a clean sheet at Chelsea I doubt Selles will change the back 4 even though I prefer yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 (edited) 28 minutes ago, saint77 said: A draw at Leeds will be a good result its at st Marys we need to up our game both on and off the pitch we really need to get behind the team and change the atmosphere were far to quiet Problem is, we've already thrown away so many points at home, including losing to Forest, Wolves, Everton, Villa, and not beating West Ham or Leeds. We now need to win home games, and take points off teams around us away. We can't just rely on the below home fixtures now IMO. We probably need roughly 22 points, maybe 20 depending on how many we'll need to stay up. My gut feeling is it'll be relatively high this season. Lets assume the ones I've highlighted we get 0 points...we need say 6 wins and a 4 draws from remaining 15 games. It's going to be incredibly tough to stay up from here without beating the teams around us. Home Games Leicester Brentford Spurs City - 0 Palace Bournemouth Fulham Liverpool - 0 Away Games Leeds Man Utd - 0 West Ham Arsenal - 0 Newcastle - 0 Forest Brighton Edited 20 February, 2023 by Saint Garrett 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgey Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 So we need 6 more wins (ideally 7). Outside Spurs City and Pool I’d say we need something out of all of those home games. 3 wins 2 draws and 3 losses minimum. Then we need to beat Forest and Brighton and at least draw with Leeds and West Ham. I think that may be enough. it’s a frightening task but is doable - the problem really is our home games as to date we are a million miles away from that kind of form. That home turnaround needs to start with Leicester. We can’t afford to lose any 6 pointers from now on though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorsaint Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 13 hours ago, saintwbu said: Would you want him over JWP or Lavia? I know I wouldn’t. I wouldn’t take him over Romeu either (the version from a season or two back). He’s doing a very simple job well, for Spurs. Id have him over Diallo or AMN. Id put him in the middle with Lavia with JWP on the right. There. Not difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKsaint Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 Can anyone pass the ball to tall Paul for a header like JWP did last match? I did see just one pass from JWP and no others, that is clearly not enough, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 44 minutes ago, Warriorsaint said: Id have him over Diallo or AMN. Id put him in the middle with Lavia with JWP on the right. There. Not difficult. Glad you’re not our manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 We stick with the same starting 11. Bednarek and Elyounoussi know their roles, unless Orsic or Alcaraz manage to pick up 'playbook automatisms' very quickly we play the majority of the match in the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 3 minutes ago, Nolan said: We stick with the same starting 11. Bednarek and Elyounoussi know their roles, unless Orsic or Alcaraz manage to pick up 'playbook automatisms' very quickly we play the majority of the match in the same way. Elyounoussi's role on Saturday was to be very defensively minded, something which we do not need in an absolute must win game against probably the worst team in the league right now. He'll have to be far more involved in the offensive side of things than he was vs Chelsea, and the few chances he had at that are definitive proof that he should be nowhere near this team. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 1 hour ago, Hodgey said: So we need 6 more wins (ideally 7). Outside Spurs City and Pool I’d say we need something out of all of those home games. 3 wins 2 draws and 3 losses minimum. Then we need to beat Forest and Brighton and at least draw with Leeds and West Ham. I think that may be enough. it’s a frightening task but is doable - the problem really is our home games as to date we are a million miles away from that kind of form. That home turnaround needs to start with Leicester. We can’t afford to lose any 6 pointers from now on though. If, by the time we play Liverpool we need to win to stay up, I would take that all day long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Keef Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 I've got a feeling Leeds will be more nervous than us about this game. If we win, they are bottom. I know it's stating the bleeding obvious, but Stu and Sulemana, with KWP and possibly Perraud to run directly at their already fragile defence around their area, They are going to be shit-scared of tackling near their own box for fear of fouling, knowing that a JWP free-kick will follow. It worked with Stu doing just that at Chelsea. And if they don't put a tackle in, that opens up other opportunities for us. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 I'm not quite sure what you're confused about there, @Saint Garrett. This is not the player who you need in a must win game against 19th place Leeds. How anybody thinks otherwise is simply beyond me at this point. We've scored 2 goals (3 including JWP's rebounded penalty) from open play in 9 league games since the WC, we need more creativity in the team in these types of games and he is quite clearly not that. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloggy saint Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 Progressive carries, progressive passes rec, npxG + xAG, what the actual fuck does all this shite mean?? 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 10 minutes ago, Saint Matty 76 said: I'm not quite sure what you're confused about there, @Saint Garrett. This is not the player who you need in a must win game against 19th place Leeds. How anybody thinks otherwise is simply beyond me at this point. We've scored 2 goals (3 including JWP's rebounded penalty) from open play in 9 league games since the WC, we need more creativity in the team in these types of games and he is quite clearly not that. Personally I don't think this is a game we go all out to win from the start tbh. If we lose we're all but gone probably. If we can keep it tight for an hour and try and nick a goal from a set piece or a bit of good play then happy days. Although I agree we do need to win this game, I woudn't go as far as saying it's a "must win". I've got no problem with us going with a 4-2-2-2 and Elyounoussi is playing as one of the "10's". I probably wouldn't have him as one of the front 3 though in a 4-3-3. And looks like we'll go 4-2-2-2 now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 Just now, cloggy saint said: Progressive carries, progressive passes rec, npxG + xAG, what the actual fuck does all this shite mean?? I mean half of that is remarkably self explanatory. Just now, Saint Garrett said: Personally I don't think this is a game we go all out to win from the start tbh. If we lose we're all but gone probably. If we can keep it tight for an hour and try and nick a goal from a set piece or a bit of good play then happy days. Although I agree we do need to win this game, I woudn't go as far as saying it's a "must win". I've got no problem with us going with a 4-2-2-2 and Elyounoussi is playing as one of the "10's". I probably wouldn't have him as one of the front 3 though in a 4-3-3. And looks like we'll go 4-2-2-2 now. Fair enough. I think the disagreement is the importance of this game then, for me this is an absolute must win. We can’t continue to give all the teams around us points like we have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 I think these stats are more beneficial to be looking at in a 4-2-2-2, the stats you were looking at were for a wide att-mid. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 Just now, Nolan said: I think these stats are more beneficial to be looking at in a 4-2-2-2, the stats you were looking at were for a wide att-mid. The position he plays in the 4-2-2-2 is quite literally an attacking midfielder. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 I don't think it's black and white enough to just say, he doesn't score or assist enough so he shouldn't be playing. Especially away from home. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 (edited) Not going to flood the entire thread arguing about the guy so I’ll leave it there. Fingers crossed he’s not in the team, or fingers crossed I get quoted calling me a twat at 4:30 if he is. Edited 20 February, 2023 by Saint Matty 76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 6 minutes ago, Saint Matty 76 said: The position he plays in the 4-2-2-2 is quite literally an attacking midfielder. but as FBREF has classed him as a midfielder in the Chelsea match.... let use that tab... Chelsea vs. Southampton Match Report – Saturday February 18, 2023 | FBref.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 26 minutes ago, cloggy saint said: Progressive carries, progressive passes rec, npxG + xAG, what the actual fuck does all this shite mean?? It means 'pass the tissues' to spotty teenagers in bedrooms and geeks who rely on spreadsheets too much. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegalEagle Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 It’s very simple. Look at the stats. Play Stuey and we probably won’t lose. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 Looks like Leeds will have new manager by then Javi Garcia ex Watford manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 1 hour ago, LegalEagle said: It’s very simple. Look at the stats. Play Stuey and we probably won’t lose. Totally agree. Players manipulate stats with their plinky-plonky sideways 'successful' passes. The quick five yard pass sideways free kicks when we're in the opposition half are particularly irritating. When a fit Stuey plays, we often win and that is a much more meaningful stat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portugalsaint Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 10 hours ago, LiberalCommunist said: Its the hope that kills, and boy do we have that back! So true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 42 minutes ago, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said: Totally agree. Players manipulate stats with their plinky-plonky sideways 'successful' passes. The quick five yard pass sideways free kicks when we're in the opposition half are particularly irritating. When a fit Stuey plays, we often win and that is a much more meaningful stat. Stu makes us a completely different proposition in a positive way. Supplies such energy and transition. I happen to think that not having Che near the team does too, but that's a different matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 I'd play AMN on the right, in front of KWP, and Stu on the left. Also, shout out to Walcott for his cameo on Saturday. I thought he looked sharper than usual. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_SFC Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 3 hours ago, Saint Matty 76 said: Elyounoussi's role on Saturday was to be very defensively minded, something which we do not need in an absolute must win game against probably the worst team in the league right now. He'll have to be far more involved in the offensive side of things than he was vs Chelsea, and the few chances he had at that are definitive proof that he should be nowhere near this team. Elyounoussi was absolutely pants at Elland Road last season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 6 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said: Elyounoussi was absolutely pants at Elland Road last season. Don't think you need a specify a ground for that one. 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 3 hours ago, Saint Matty 76 said: Not going to flood the entire thread arguing about the guy so I’ll leave it there. Fingers crossed he’s not in the team, or fingers crossed I get quoted calling me a twat at 4:30 if he is. 4 minutes ago, Saint Matty 76 said: Don't think you need a specify a ground for that one. That lasted well. You've made your point about a million times now mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 43 minutes ago, egg said: That lasted well. You've made your point about a million times now mate. The bloke literally replied to me you weapon, could you get any more boring? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 I reckon for this game I will do a novel tactic, I will look at Leeds team and then pick a team to exploit their weaknesses and nullify their strengths. Normally I just pick the best players but I am going to try the selles approach for this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorsaint Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 5 hours ago, saintwbu said: Glad you’re not our manager Yes because we’ve had the best in Europe only way down from here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkoksaint Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 I’m driving up Saturday. Any advice on parking? I parked near the ground last time and it was a bit of a nightmare getting out. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintTex Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 5 hours ago, Saint Matty 76 said: I'm not quite sure what you're confused about there, @Saint Garrett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CougarSaint Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 1 hour ago, bangkoksaint said: I’m driving up Saturday. Any advice on parking? I parked near the ground last time and it was a bit of a nightmare getting out. Thanks Park in city centre, use the shuttle service bus from the arches by city station. Maybe not make your red and white colours evident...done it before with a Leeds fan but to be fair no issues at the ground even though wearing scarves...even skacel scored!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CougarSaint Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 Gives you better access to access routes from there... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 1 hour ago, Saint Matty 76 said: The bloke literally replied to me you weapon, could you get any more boring? Says the bloke who posts about Ely over and over and over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, egg said: Says the bloke who posts about Ely over and over and over. With all due respect, you spend most of your time arguing against consensus about Elyounoussi and Bednarek whilst literally admitting you weren't watching the game we were talking about. You're comfortably the least informed poster on here at the minute and are just responding half the time to spark an argument. Are you Norwegian or something? I'd prefer it if you didn't waste my time replying to me any more going forward because I don't think I've got any value out of anything you've posted this month. Edited 20 February, 2023 by Saint Matty 76 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 5 minutes ago, Saint Matty 76 said: With all due respect, you spend most of your time arguing against consensus about Elyounoussi and Bednarek whilst literally admitting you weren't watching the game we were talking about. You're comfortably the least informed poster on here at the minute and are just responding half the time to spark an argument. Are you Norwegian or something? I'd prefer it if you didn't waste my time replying to me any more going forward because I don't think I've got any value out of anything you've posted this month. I think you're confusing me mate. If you're referring to the Chelsea game, I watched it. Anyways, happy to ignore you, please pay me the same respect. This new login of yours is in danger of becoming as tedious as your previous one by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forester Posted 20 February, 2023 Share Posted 20 February, 2023 Bazanu KWP, Bednarek, ABK, Perraud AMN, Lavia JWP, Stuart Tall Paul, Kamaldeen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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