Jesse Marsch

[Turkish]

8 minutes ago, SotonianWill said:

he can’t boast about that though, they were 2-0 up and fucked it up

Another box ticked.

 

Like his predecessors great at losing points from winning positions. 

[saintscottofthenortham]

Am I the only one really not liking the idea of this short-term contract?

• Doesn’t give it the same meaning to Marsch.

• He’s all about the “Buy In” from players. How can he do that on a 17 game contract?

• If we go down, which we’re very likely to do, we face a manager search without the lure of Prem, whilst our squad is being picked apart by the vultures.

• If he keeps us up, we’re duty bound to extend his contract and not use the chance to appoint a more serious Prem contender anyway.

Looks a mighty shortsighted move to me. 

[Hodgey]

 Must have misheard length, still far too long for a novice.

Still think this is a forced appointment and everyone knows it, I’m almost certain we’ll see a new manager in the summer.  Hoping Marsch can prove everyone wrong as we could do with stability.

[Nolan]

1 minute ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

Am I the only one really not liking the idea of this short-term contract?

• Doesn’t give it the same meaning to Marsch.

• He’s all about the “Buy In” from players. How can he do that on a 17 game contract?

• If we go down, which we’re very likely to do, we face a manager search without the lure of Prem, whilst our squad is being picked apart by the vultures.

• If he keeps us up, we’re duty bound to extend his contract and not use the chance to appoint a more serious Prem contender anyway.

Looks a mighty shortsighted move to me. 

Probably. If it doesnt work, we dont have a massive pay-off to make and can use it towards someone who can have a pre-season.

[saintscottofthenortham]

17 minutes ago, Hodgey said:

Problem is availability - I’ve no doubt that Ankerson has preferences who quite simply would not come now but may end of season.

appointing Selles until end of season would be waving the white flag, and whilst Marsch chance of keeping us up is minimal, stranger things have happened.

Unless this is Marsch decision (which I doubt), I don’t really like this - giving him a year and a half would show more commitment and low compensation. He’ll be under so much pressure as it is - we’re hardly endorsing his appointment, don’t forget we gave Jones 6 years l, this feels like we’re now going too far the other way.

We need some stability - changing managers every 3 months won’t work for us and I think showing even if we go down we think you can lead us back up would install more confidence / long term planning. If I was Marsch I’d have no problem in freezing out players / ignoring young players / pissing off coaches if I think I’m only there for 3 months no matter what.

I think this can only be a Marsch decision. No sense in it for the club when relegation is such a likely outcome now and this decision makes our start in the Championship god knows how much harder.

I was all for this move, but this has totally ruined the dynamic of it for me. I hate the sound of this. 

[Southner]

1 hour ago, goodymatt said:

Thoughts on the contract to the ends of the season? Suits both parties or is Jesse not fancying the championship if we go down? Hopefully he has the motivation to prove himself and we pull off the unthinkable. I’m thinking we will still drop unfortunately but support the appointment.

A short contract makes sense.

If we go down, everybody knows that the damage was already done, so his reputation won't take a battering.

If he somehow keeps us up, he'll look the dog's danglies, and will surely attract many a job offer.

It also allows us to reevaluate once we know what league we'll be in next season.

[saintscottofthenortham]

Just now, Nolan said:

Probably. If it doesnt work, we dont have a massive pay-off to make and can use it towards someone who can have a pre-season.

What quantifies “doesn’t work”? Relegation? Because we’ve already all but decided that for ourselves already.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

7 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

3 and 1/2 years too long tbf. Hopefully we look back and laugh at this charade in a few years.

Indeed. Such a weird episode. I think most of us knew how it would end up even after the Lincoln cup game. 

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

Am I the only one really not liking the idea of this short-term contract?

• Doesn’t give it the same meaning to Marsch.

• He’s all about the “Buy In” from players. How can he do that on a 17 game contract?

• If we go down, which we’re very likely to do, we face a manager search without the lure of Prem, whilst our squad is being picked apart by the vultures.

• If he keeps us up, we’re duty bound to extend his contract and not use the chance to appoint a more serious Prem contender anyway.

Looks a mighty shortsighted move to me. 

You'd have thought he'd have had some sort of option to extend. If we stay up = XYZ if we go down = abc 

He's probably got a load of bonuses and guarantees for if we stay up. I think it's the best outcome. If he keeps us up, unlikely as it is he get a longer deal if he wants it, if we go down, we both get the chance to reassess the options. 

We made the mistake of giving Hughes a long term contract and that bit us on the arse. 

[Nolan]

Just now, saintscottofthenortham said:

What quantifies “doesn’t work”? Relegation? Because we’ve already all but decided that for ourselves already.

I imagine, the amount of points we get between now and the end of the season will be the guide...

If we get 1. lets not keep him.

[saintscottofthenortham]

1 minute ago, Southner said:

A short contract makes sense.

If we go down, everybody knows that the damage was already done, so his reputation won't take a battering.

If he somehow keeps us up, he'll look the dog's danglies, and will surely attract many a job offer.

It also allows us to reevaluate once we know what league we'll be in next season.

We’re going to go into Championship manager-less with Ian Holloway a 5/1 shot in the next manager betting. We thought our options were slim now… they’ll be even slimmer next year. 

[The Curse of St Mary's]

I do have doubts about Marsch particularly on the defensive side of things plus in game management which effectively were the same concerns we had with Ralph during his time here. 

That said if the the style improves and players are more comfortable with the tactics then we can only improve. Caveat being that Jan Bednarek is nowhere near the team. He is utterly horrendous and brings the whole team down which is a massive achievement in itself. 

If we can get an attacking identification plus some potency from the likes of Orsic, Sulemana, Edozie, Tall Paul, Alcaraz  and Stuart Armstrong then it will give us some hope.

 

[CB Fry]

2 minutes ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

I think this can only be a Marsch decision. No sense in it for the club when relegation is such a likely outcome now and this decision makes our start in the Championship god knows how much harder.

I was all for this move, but this has totally ruined the dynamic of it for me. I hate the sound of this. 

Does it though? Saints in the Championship in the summer with SR resources is a really good job in English football.

We will be a very attractive proposition. 

[saintscottofthenortham]

2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

You'd have thought he'd have had some sort of option to extend. If we stay up = XYZ if we go down = abc 

He's probably got a load of bonuses and guarantees for if we stay up. I think it's the best outcome. If he keeps us up, unlikely as it is he get a longer deal if he wants it, if we go down, we both get the chance to reassess the options. 

We made the mistake of giving Hughes a long term contract and that bit us on the arse. 

If we stay up, which is mighty unlikely, he will keep the job anyway. The problem with this deal, is the more realistic scenario. This makes going down 10 x worse… at least. 

[S-Clarke]

3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

You'd have thought he'd have had some sort of option to extend. If we stay up = XYZ if we go down = abc 

He's probably got a load of bonuses and guarantees for if we stay up. I think it's the best outcome. If he keeps us up, unlikely as it is he get a longer deal if he wants it, if we go down, we both get the chance to reassess the options. 

We made the mistake of giving Hughes a long term contract and that bit us on the arse. 

I thought that re: Hughes, but it was actually a contract until the end of the season initially. 

Reed just got a bit excited in the summer after he'd kept us up (which was from a much better position than we are now by the way) and decided to give him a 3 year deal, and £60m to spend on Elyounoussi, Gunn and Vestergaard.

[CB Fry]

2 minutes ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

We’re going to go into Championship manager-less with Ian Holloway a 5/1 shot in the next manager betting. We thought our options were slim now… they’ll be even slimmer next year. 

Honestly this is a slightly mad reading of the situation, unless SR suddenly just bail out, which we have no reason to think they will.

We don't suddenly become Barnsley just because we get relegated.

[saintwbu]

I’m not sure Marsch having a short term contract would make it any less important for him - i’d say his Premier League career depends on him doing a good job with us, and i’d suggest that’s why he’s willing to come here so soon. If he didn’t pick up another job in the PL soon he probably never does, and if he flops with us then i’d suggest he won’t be getting another one. 

[saintscottofthenortham]

Just now, CB Fry said:

Does it though? Saints in the Championship in the summer with SR resources is a really good job in English football.

We will be a very attractive proposition. 

We’re not proving too attractive at the minute Fry… and we’re not even there yet. This deal only works for us IF Marsch keeps us up, which is a truly massive task. It now works for Marsch either way, which isn’t a good thing. 

[S-Clarke]

5 minutes ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

If we stay up, which is mighty unlikely, he will keep the job anyway. The problem with this deal, is the more realistic scenario. This makes going down 10 x worse… at least. 

Think about it another way, if he is shocking for us and no one wants him after we never improve at all, we'd be relegated and then have to potentially find another payout in the Championship to ditch another manager, when we'd have less money. Potentially impacting who we could then replace him with or players we could buy.

I stand by what CB Fry said, in the championship this will be an incredibly attractive project for a decent rep manager to get stuck into. Not only finance from SR, but potentially over £100m from play sales (or the possibly to work with some great young players).

This wouldn't be like us going down under Redknapp with 90k to spend on fuller, this is a totally different ballpark. I don’t want it to happen at all, but you’d be surprised who’d be interested in the summer if we were a managerless championship club.

Edited 15 February, 2023 by S-Clarke

[tunit]

12 minutes ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

What quantifies “doesn’t work”? Relegation? Because we’ve already all but decided that for ourselves already.

4 points off 16th with 16 games to play. It is nowhere near over. If he can grind a purple patch out of us like Ralph did once a season we'll stay up. It'll be tough and a lot of the fixtures aren't in our favour but its definitely doable

Edited 15 February, 2023 by tunit

[Southner]

4 minutes ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

We’re going to go into Championship manager-less with Ian Holloway a 5/1 shot in the next manager betting. We thought our options were slim now… they’ll be even slimmer next year. 

I feel blue ☹

[saintwbu]

We aren’t attractive to many right now largely because managers won’t want a relegation on their CV, regardless of what league it’s from. I guarantee we’re more attractive for a promotion push to the Premier League with a decent squad and strong backing. 

[CB Fry]

1 minute ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

We’re not proving too attractive at the minute Fry… and we’re not even there yet. This deal only works for us IF Marsch keeps us up, which is a truly massive task. It now works for Marsch either way, which isn’t a good thing. 

No but the situation now is different.

Come the summer, we are a different animal and we will be in a position to attract different managers.

Say Michael Carrick - he is not going to walk out on Middlesbrough today, but if he loses the play off final and we offer him a genuine step up, he might. And so on.

Just a simple example but applies to managers all over the continent who would look at the job to take us up as a very attractive one.

We're not just going to have Ian Holloway to pick from FFS.

[saintscottofthenortham]

2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Think about it another way, if he is shocking for us and no one wants him after we never improve at all, we'd be relegated and then have to potentially find another payout in the Championship to ditch another manager, when we'd have less money.

What’s the chances of Marsch being truly shocking for us? I’d say slim. He has done enough with Leeds in Prem to show he is at very least a competent top-level gaffer.

An 18-month contract would’ve suited all parties. If we need to part ways end of season, no major… But that would’ve only happened if we carry on NJ’s trend (unlikely).

Marsch would’ve been a really attractive proposition in Championship. Instead we’re going to be struggling to attract even a Frank Lampard, who has now tasted Prem.

It will 100% put us in an entirely different bracket.

[revolution saint]

1 hour ago, The Curse of St Mary's said:

Do Saints have a longer term appointment in mind come end of the season? Clearly they are hoping Marsch reproduces his great escape with Leeds last season as the short term goal. If he manages to achieve this would he have contract extension automatically kick in or would it be a thanks Jesse but we want to go down a different path long term?

 

Yes, I suspect we're hoping that Potter is available in the summer or we can persuade either Tuchel or Poch to come here.  Bit difficult to sell the club at the moment but come the summer it's a different kettle of fish and we'll probably have our pick of any of those three.  The short term contract makes sense,

[saintscottofthenortham]

2 minutes ago, saintwbu said:

We aren’t attractive to many right now largely because managers won’t want a relegation on their CV, regardless of what league it’s from. I guarantee we’re more attractive for a promotion push to the Premier League with a decent squad and strong backing. 

We won’t have a decent squad. All our best players will be plucked. I’m absolutely certain of that. 

[saintscottofthenortham]

2 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

No but the situation now is different.

Come the summer, we are a different animal and we will be in a position to attract different managers.

Say Michael Carrick - he is not going to walk out on Middlesbrough today, but if he loses the play off final and we offer him a genuine step up, he might. And so on.

Just a simple example but applies to managers all over the continent who would look at the job to take us up as a very attractive one.

We're not just going to have Ian Holloway to pick from FFS.

Carrick will leave a Middlesbrough he’s made moves to building and (in said scenario) narrowly missed out on promotion with, for a decimated Southampton who have the runts of the litter remaining? Not a cat in hells chance.

[saintscottofthenortham]

3 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

Yes, I suspect we're hoping that Potter is available in the summer or we can persuade either Tuchel or Poch to come here.  Bit difficult to sell the club at the moment but come the summer it's a different kettle of fish and we'll probably have our pick of any of those three.  The short term contract makes sense,

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[S-Clarke]

5 minutes ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

What’s the chances of Marsch being truly shocking for us? I’d say slim. He has done enough with Leeds in Prem to show he is at very least a competent top-level gaffer.

An 18-month contract would’ve suited all parties. If we need to part ways end of season, no major… But that would’ve only happened if we carry on NJ’s trend (unlikely).

Marsch would’ve been a really attractive proposition in Championship. Instead we’re going to be struggling to attract even a Frank Lampard, who has now tasted Prem.

It will 100% put us in an entirely different bracket.

I don't think he will be shocking at all, but I think committing to anything more than a 6-month deal at this stage given the position we are isn't sensible on either side. 

As i said above, there are 3 scenario's here.

1 - We stay up amazingly; he does a great job. We offer him a new deal to stay on and continue his work, if he accepts, he accepts. If he doesn't then we are a PL club with a pool of managers to choose from with a clean slate again. 

2 - We give it a good shot but ultimately go down. We decide we want to offer him a new deal and he accepts to continue the work in the Championship and enables some continuity.

3 - We bomb and no one wants him to stay. He leaves by the backdoor after the final day of the season, we don’t lose out financially and we are then free to sound out managers for a promotion push. 

You'd be surprised at the level of managers interested in us if the worst was to happen. I don't think you'd have said Kompany would be going to Burnley, but he ended up there and they're not exactly flush.

Edited 15 February, 2023 by S-Clarke

[CB Fry]

1 minute ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

Carrick will leave a Middlesbrough he’s made moves to building and (in said scenario) narrowly missed out on promotion with, for a decimated Southampton who have the runts of the litter remaining? Not a cat in hells chance.

OK, your working premise is ridiculous.

We should right now assume that SR will invest to get us back up because they have said that repeatedly.

[S-Clarke]

9 minutes ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

We won’t have a decent squad. All our best players will be plucked. I’m absolutely certain of that. 

They will, yes, but that will give us around £100m in transfer income. Plus the 70m in parachute payments (I think it's 35 over two seasons). And that's excluding any additional investment SR provide, which they've already said will continue should the worst happen.

We wouldn't have to spend a fraction of that to have a competitive team in the Champ, but any new manager would have the scope to develop and build his own squad. This is the crazy thing with us, we are struggling but our players are on decent contracts and would attract genuine interest for decent fee's. 

When Koeman came in he had the scope to do that and he found it an attractive propoisition, and so would  a lot of other managers.

Edited 15 February, 2023 by S-Clarke

[Saint86]

If we go down, we'll be one of the most attractive propositions outside the top flight. A lot of pessimistic bed wetting going on here imo - not sure how some of you think other championship clubs attract good managers? Or whether people are aware there are good manangers outside of the Premier league... Saints will be the very top of that market. 🤔

The only way that changes is if SR have pulled a superb cover up on the club's finances and their intentions re backing the club... 

For all we know, the club have another candidate lines up who isn't available until the summer 👀

Edited 15 February, 2023 by Saint86

[saintscottofthenortham]

Well, I hope you guys are right. This very much says if we go down, Marsch isn’t coming with us.

I know SR have said they’ll continue to invest if we go down. Just have to hope they know where to put it.

The Championship is a brutal place. We pissed it last time round, but my god that was a good side we had together and we still couldn’t win it.
 

No club down there has a given right, and all that. I’ll try and feel more optimistic, though. But I maintain this length contract is Marsch led over SR led. 

[Osvaldorama]

Nothing to worry about anyway, Super Marsch is going to get us firing and keep us up. 
 

 

[Saint_clark]

29 minutes ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

If we stay up, which is mighty unlikely, he will keep the job anyway. The problem with this deal, is the more realistic scenario. This makes going down 10 x worse… at least. 

Not necessarily. Saints might be looking back on the decision to keep Mark Hughes after he kept us up. 

[austsaint]

9 minutes ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

We won’t have a decent squad. All our best players will be plucked. I’m absolutely certain of that. 

I'm not so sure.  Apart from the revenue sales (assuming relegation) of KWP, Lavia, JWP, Salisu etc will provide for buying decent replacements - I don't think it's a done deal we lose Alcaraz, Tino, Edozie, Caleta-Car....even Sulemana and ABK.    SR might be keen to keep them and it might be appealing (for them) to be part of a strong squad aiming for automatic promotion.

[saintscottofthenortham]

Just now, Saint_clark said:

Not necessarily. Saints might be looking back on the decision to keep Mark Hughes after he kept us up. 

That was from a far better position than this. And we then had to give him a stupid contract because he had kept us up. (by “had” I mean morally)

[saintscottofthenortham]

1 minute ago, austsaint said:

I'm not so sure.  Apart from the revenue sales (assuming relegation) of KWP, Lavia, JWP, Salisu etc will provide for buying decent replacements - I don't think it's a done deal we lose Alcaraz, Tino, Edozie, Caleta-Car....even Sulemana and ABK.    SR might be keen to keep them and it might be appealing (for them) to be part of a strong squad aiming for automatic promotion.

I’ll be gobsmacked if any of Alcaraz, Tino, Sulemana and ABK stick around for Championship.

I’d say Sulemana is more likely to be playing for Liverpool next season over playing for us at Plymouth on a Tuesday night.

[manji]

35 minutes ago, The Curse of St Mary's said:

I do have doubts about Marsch particularly on the defensive side of things plus in game management which effectively were the same concerns we had with Ralph during his time here. 

That said if the the style improves and players are more comfortable with the tactics then we can only improve. Caveat being that Jan Bednarek is nowhere near the team. He is utterly horrendous and brings the whole team down which is a massive achievement in itself. 

If we can get an attacking identification plus some potency from the likes of Orsic, Sulemana, Edozie, Tall Paul, Alcaraz  and Stuart Armstrong then it will give us some hope.

 

As I’ve said before Leeds were plagued with injuries all season and zero financial backing 

[LaptopSaint]

4 minutes ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

I’ll be gobsmacked if any of Alcaraz, Tino, Sulemana and ABK stick around for Championship.

I’d say Sulemana is more likely to be playing for Liverpool next season over playing for us at Plymouth on a Tuesday night.

I would have thought the same about someone like Ismailia Sarr at Watford, so you never know. Tino will only just be back from injury too so will need to prove himself for half a season at least. 
Anyway, I’d advocate focusing on trying to stay in this league for a bit rather than worrying about the next one. 

[saintscottofthenortham]

1 minute ago, LaptopSaint said:

I would have thought the same about someone like Ismailia Sarr at Watford, so you never know. Tino will only just be back from injury too so will need to prove himself for half a season at least. 
Anyway, I’d advocate focusing on trying to stay in this league for a bit rather than worrying about the next one. 

Fair points. 👍🏻

[Give it to Ron]

7 minutes ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

I’ll be gobsmacked if any of Alcaraz, Tino, Sulemana and ABK stick around for Championship.

I’d say Sulemana is more likely to be playing for Liverpool next season over playing for us at Plymouth on a Tuesday night.

Who is going to sign Tino? He hasn’t played a game in ages 

[austsaint]

1 minute ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

I’ll be gobsmacked if any of Alcaraz, Tino, Sulemana and ABK stick around for Championship.

I’d say Sulemana is more likely to be playing for Liverpool next season over playing for us at Plymouth on a Tuesday night.

Sulemana is certainly good enough to attract a big offer, in which case SR probably cash in.  On the other hand he is only 20, has time on his side and SR (not-with-standing relegation clauses) hold the choice of whether to sell him or not.  Imagine how improved our promotion chances are if Sulemana stayed - that's a big financial carrot for SR to mull over.  Especially if they've already raked in 80 - 100 million from other sales.

[saintwbu]

6 minutes ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

I’ll be gobsmacked if any of Alcaraz, Tino, Sulemana and ABK stick around for Championship.

I’d say Sulemana is more likely to be playing for Liverpool next season over playing for us at Plymouth on a Tuesday night.

I’d be more gobsmacked if Tino in particular isn’t still here, given the fee we would command i’m not sure many will be touching an 18 year old who’s been out for a year with an ACL. Edozie, Bazunu and a few others could definitely do with a season in the Championship. There is also always a few players that stick around you don’t expect, Bournemouth kept Lerma the season they went down - not many clubs have a complete exodus anymore like the old days.

[saintscottofthenortham]

Okay I’m on my own here and wildly off piste. Marsch end of season it is. Could be worse.

[saintscottofthenortham]

2 minutes ago, saintwbu said:

I’d be more gobsmacked if Tino in particular isn’t still here, given the fee we would command i’m not sure many will be touching an 18 year old who’s been out for a year with an ACL. Edozie, Bazunu and a few others could definitely do with a season in the Championship. There is also always a few players that stick around you don’t expect, Bournemouth kept Lerma the season they went down - not many clubs have a complete exodus anymore like the old days.

He’s 20 now. But yes I take your point. Him in Championship would be like days of watching Lallana and Schneiderlin in League One. 

[Viking Saint]

11 minutes ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

I’ll be gobsmacked if any of Alcaraz, Tino, Sulemana and ABK stick around for Championship.

I’d say Sulemana is more likely to be playing for Liverpool next season over playing for us at Plymouth on a Tuesday night.

Why not? If we go down, they'll hardly have proved themselves as Premier league quality, and two in particular are only one season into their contracts.

[Toadhall Saint]

11 minutes ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

Okay I’m on my own here and wildly off piste. Marsch end of season it is. Could be worse.

That’s the spirit!

[saintant]

1 hour ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

Am I the only one really not liking the idea of this short-term contract?

• Doesn’t give it the same meaning to Marsch.

• He’s all about the “Buy In” from players. How can he do that on a 17 game contract?

• If we go down, which we’re very likely to do, we face a manager search without the lure of Prem, whilst our squad is being picked apart by the vultures.

• If he keeps us up, we’re duty bound to extend his contract and not use the chance to appoint a more serious Prem contender anyway.

Looks a mighty shortsighted move to me. 

If he keeps us up he'll have done something extraordinary so I don't think we'd be keeping him out of duty it would be on merit.

[Kermitzasaint]

I really miss the days when Cortese sold the Saints project, the vision etc.

 

 

 

Now we are supposed to be grateful for a failed and hugely limited coach because we can't get anything better. I have honestly lost all faith in the club now.

 

I just don't have the energy to care any more.