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Saint86

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7 minutes ago, Badger said:

Perhaps this was used as the original template for the 'Hitler in the bunker' skits you see.

If you take the 'Van Dyke ' and the 'elbow the fucker in the ribs' gesture he seems to make, then he's gone up in my estimation as it could be a return to the Alehouse Days. Or should that be the Alamo ?

 

I'll say this.... YouTube's subtitles needs some work...

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Or maybe they don't - In which case press conferences could get interesting.

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1 hour ago, alehouseboys said:

Championship is most likely whoever comes in. Nobody's relegated in Jan/Feb but we look all set, but I probably won't be laying this on Marsch'/whoever's door if/when it happens. I'm also happy to give the fella a fair go.

I actually don't disagree with you chap, it certainly won't be mostly of his doing but I don't see any reason from his time at Leeds, or his past record, that suggests he'll bring about any hope either.

But, if nothing else, it's just an absolutely guano appointment from the board... Take a punt with an absolute no-hoper, finally sack him 14 days too late, immediately go for another manager who has by all metrics failed in the league. It doesn't scream 'look guys, we listened and learnt our lesson ' and could turn sour quicker than the Jones signing... Which as you rightly alluded to, is the bigger of the two fuck ups.

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Golac's Cunning Stunts

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1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

If you don't want to have a reasoned debate then there's no point. I think the people who are behind him are clear on why, and the people who don't want him seem to be incredibly confused as to why they feel that way. (apart from wanting Poch or Tuchel instead)

So let's just leave it there.

I don't want him. He was failing to keep Leeds up, so I don't see why, on balance of probabilities, he would do any better at a team that is doing worse. I'm not saying I won't get behind him if he comes, just don't see him being successful. 

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Holmes_and_Watson

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6 minutes ago, benali-shorts said:

I’m ambivalent to Marsch. Grateful it’s not Gerrard, Lampard or Rooney. But I’m intrigued when people optimistically say that Marsch will suit our squad, despite all the evidence that our squad is, in fact, helplessly shit. 

Ralph got a tune out of most of it for a while. And Marsch plays a system with some similar foundations. So that's a branch to cling to in the stormy relegation seas ahead. 🙂

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8 minutes ago, Greedyfly said:

I actually don't disagree with you chap, it certainly won't be mostly of his doing but I don't see any reason from his time at Leeds, or his past record, that suggests he'll bring about any hope either.

But, if nothing else, it's just an absolutely guano appointment from the board... Take a punt with an absolute no-hoper, finally sack him 14 days too late, immediately go for another manager who has by all metrics failed in the league. It doesn't scream 'look guys, we listened and learnt our lesson ' and could turn sour quicker than the Jones signing... Which as you rightly alluded to, is the bigger of the two fuck ups.

Did you go to the same school of metrics as Rasmus?

What metrics would you be referring to exactly? Kept a very average, injury stricken Leeds team up last season, and had them sitting above the relegation zone when he was sacked. What would non-failure look like as Leeds manager?

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1 hour ago, saintant said:

Clearly one of the main problems for Jessie Marsh, or whoever we appoint, is the inability to defend our goal. Marsch will have his work cut out because he likes a high press which invariably leaves his sides very vulnerable on the counter attack. Also, we are prone to ridiculous errors that gift goals to opponents and do not have a decent 'keeper at the club. I think we'll create a lot more chances but can we keep the ball out of our net with the players at his disposal? Maybe the two full backs will have to be more selective in when and how often they raid forward, choose their moments and not be too reckless. Also, are we fit enough as a group to maintain a high press? You'd think it should be slightly easier to manage with 5 subs available. 

I'm looking forward to seeing how we go about things tactically. We need wins rather than draws so Marsch will have to factor that in. I still think we are going down but it could be an exciting ride and maybe he will pull off a miracle.

The huge issue we have had in recent months if not since Ralph started is that the full backs have always been in advance of the ball where ever the ball was ..

This ‘tactic’ continued every single game and left us completely exposed every game. Jesse Marsch had a similar issue at Leeds. Maybe, just maybe Marsch has learnt his lesson and we can play a high press without surrendering both the full back positions and the centre midfield which we have contrived to do mostly with Ralph. With Jones have to admit I never saw anything remotely tactical at all anyway and stopped going after two of his totally inept home games….

I have read that Marsch is likely to flood the central midfield which is well overdue for us and also not allow the full backs license to be recklessly advanced unless the opportunity arises. This being the case and he doesn’t play Elyounoussi, Bednarek and Diallio I am right behind Marsch….

 

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1 minute ago, captainchris said:

The huge issue we have had in recent months if not since Ralph started is that the full backs have always been in advance of the ball where ever the ball was ..

This ‘tactic’ continued every single game and left us completely exposed every game. Jesse Marsch had a similar issue at Leeds. Maybe, just maybe Marsch has learnt his lesson and we can play a high press without surrendering both the full back positions and the centre midfield which we have contrived to do mostly with Ralph. With Jones have to admit I never saw anything remotely tactical at all anyway and stopped going after two of his totally inept home games….

I have read that Marsch is likely to flood the central midfield which is well overdue for us and also not allow the full backs license to be recklessly advanced unless the opportunity arises. This being the case and he doesn’t play Elyounoussi, Bednarek and Diallio I am right behind Marsch….

 

Isn’t that the whole point in a narrow midfield and high press, you have to press with the full backs in the wide areas. 

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29 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

I'll say this.... YouTube's subtitles needs some work...

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Or maybe they don't - In which case press conferences could get interesting.

Looks fucking Welsh to me.

Not again boyo, not again.

Jesus.

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4 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

I’m sure they have already.

 

18 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

The amount of people that have said “why don’t this board show some ambition and go get Tuchel or Pochettino” 😂😂😂

 

 

My favourite was some utter whopper on Twitter who said we should just go and offer Pochetino £8m and he’d go for it because he has so much respect for us as a club 🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Under the Welsh PE teacher we were certain to go down and played awful aimless hoofball. 
 

It may be too late to save us, or he may not be good enough, but I’m hopeful of at least enjoying a performance now (due to his RB background), and if we can get a few results in Feb and March, who knows. I’m in.

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4 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

Mental innit? Everyone knows we should be waiting for when Potter gets sacked 

Don’t see that happening either. Firstly I don’t see him being sacked anytime soon, and secondly if he was, he wouldn’t want a relegation on his CV, and would be waiting for a prem job. No chance he wants to manage in the championship next season, 

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9 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

Don’t see that happening either. Firstly I don’t see him being sacked anytime soon, and secondly if he was, he wouldn’t want a relegation on his CV, and would be waiting for a prem job. No chance he wants to manage in the championship next season, 

He’s ex saints and would jump at the chance. Only took the Chelsea job cos we hadn’t got rid of Ralph. 

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3 minutes ago, Maury Dyer said:

...as bad as Jones was, or Ralph, I think the players deserve a min big kick up the ass.

I like the use of ass there, as opposed to arse. Marsch buy in already there. 🙂

At this stage, a kick in any extremity might ruin what shreds of morale they have left. Marsch's firm positivity might be the better option.

I'd like to think we've got a group that are hurt badly, and do look at themselves.

At the same time I think we've got a group who badly need direction and confidence. RalphBall is not for the independently minded. Add in lots of youth and players new to this league and level, and they need to be shown the way.

If the above is wrong, then happy to help clear furniture out of the way of Jesse's butt kicking run up. 🙂

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2 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said:

Keep telling them what they want to hear, it works miracles wherever you are in the world.

Good to have you on board 'though and look forward to your further participation. 

Not trying to be a sunshine pumper, just calling it like I see it. There's plenty of Leeds and Leipzig supporters who will wholeheartedly disagree with me! 

As I said, no idea how it will work out. Leeds had Marsch on their radar for a while, much like Southampton, and they figured he could have them take the next step and be a consistent mid-table team that could play exciting football. He wasn't able to deliver and at the end of the day, the buck stops with him. He could very well fall short with Saints too, as he's anything but a sure bet to keep you up/immediately bounce back up if you get relegated. 

Completely understand people who are underwhelmed with the hire. But also think a bit of perspective is needed too, both with Marsch's previous situations and the current predicament that Southampton find themselves in now too. That's all I was trying to provide a little context on. And a lot of it is just my opinion, so people can (and will) absolutely disagree with me on some things, which I respect. 

I'm not a Saints supporter, so I'm not here to make waves. I do not envy the position your club is in and I take no pleasure in you all being in that position. There's far too much tribalism in the sport. Again, I sincerely hope it works out and Jesse smashes it. Good luck for the rest of the season. 

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Saint Gifford

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We have a good squad that is more than capable of playing and staying in the Premier League for a good few years. 

If it’s  positivity, motivation and reuniting the whole group that needs to be found, then JM is perhaps the right guy. 
 

If it’s the hairdryer treatment perhaps not. 

Without knowing the “behind the closed doors” I’m not sure what to think or who would come in. 
 

He would have to stay next season, what ever league that we will be for some sort of continuity however. (Providing he is the right quality of course).
 


 

 

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10 hours ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

This fetish with Red Bull worries me

I think the obsession with trying to be Man City Lite is a greater concern, taking some of their cast offs thinking we're getting top quality every time.

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1 hour ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

I don't want him. He was failing to keep Leeds up, so I don't see why, on balance of probabilities, he would do any better at a team that is doing worse. I'm not saying I won't get behind him if he comes, just don't see him being successful. 

So who did you want?

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