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Just now, S-Clarke said:

Who would you have wanted instead of Marsch?

Weirdly this appointment would have made 'more' sense when we swapped Ralph (but the timing was wrong then). The last 3 months have rightly clouded a lot of peoples feelings towards managers, but I don't think this is as big as a risk as some are suggesting. Don't get me wrong everything at this stage is a risk, but when you look at the avaliable options out there you have to say that Marsch is probably the least risky approach.

Am really looking forward to seeing what he can bring to us. I thought he did a decent enough job at Leeds, maybe a bit unlucky with injuries and recruitment like us. I like the way he speaks, plenty of positivity and seems pretty likeable. We need someone like that after Jones. Watching Saints was becoming like a chore. I want to go to a game and actually enjoy the experience again. 

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32 minutes ago, alehouseboys said:

FFS, another looker wearing our away kit!

I’m onboard, good as it gets in the circumstances, just hope our more wacky fans don’t overdo the “USA, USA, USA…” stuff

if we’re now going to do american sounding chants, may as well bring back the knock knock

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1 hour ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

You may be right ultimately, but his tactics are not identical to previous incarnations. For example his press style is “press to score” rather than just press for possession and “press as one” rather than the stretched out press we’ve seen with Ralph etc.

Very happy if my misgivings are proved to be unfounded. 

I look at our players and think surely we have enough ability in there to produce a team as good as those in upper mid table (Brentford, Fulham) but then I think have how often they have underperformed both collectively and individually and wonder how much is down to the manager and how much to the squad?

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Jesse Marsch or Jess Thorup?!

I am happy to get behind Marsch if we are indeed about to appoint him, but I can't say I am excited by his appointment!

I am hoping that this is all based on a rumour that sprung from someone hearing the name 'Jesse' mentioned by someone on the board. I am hoping that rather than appointing Jesse Marsch the board are planning instead to appoint Jess Thorup: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jess_Thorup

Jess Thorup is (I have read) known to Ankerson and has brilliant stats in terms of wins - over 50% in most of his managerial career. He is also currently without a club.

Please, please, please, let our imminent appointment be Jess Thorup rather than Jesse Marsch!!! :D

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I'm absolutley fascinated by the dynamic of him returning to Leeds with us as soon as he’s appointed, it's such an odd situation and doesn't happen that often.

If you think about it, we've had a spy inside our opponents camp for 6 months running all their training and now he's taking charge of us when we're playing that opponent. That must provide an advantage that isn't seen that often.

Leeds can't moan as they sent Beilsa up trees to spy on other teams.

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3 hours ago, Baird of the land said:

The point of a caretaker is to defer the decision to when decent candidates will be willing to come here rather than appointing trash now and regretting it later

So, if we appoint a caretaker manager, we have more chance of going down, at which point less desirable managers will want to come as we will be in the Championship - the logic doesnt work for me!

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17 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Who would you have wanted instead of Marsch?

Weirdly this appointment would have made 'more' sense when we swapped Ralph (but the timing was wrong then). The last 3 months have rightly clouded a lot of peoples feelings towards managers, but I don't think this is as big as a risk as some are suggesting. Don't get me wrong everything at this stage is a risk, but when you look at the avaliable options out there you have to say that Marsch is probably the least risky approach.

What’s good about him though? He’s failed at Leipzig and didn’t last until Xmas and then got sacked at our relegation rivals. Plus considering Salzburg have won the league 9 times in a row that’s not particularly impressive either tbh..

after pretty much failing at Leeds and Leipzig though I can’t really see the attraction ?

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8 minutes ago, SaintJackoInHurworth said:

Jesse Marsch or Jess Thorup?!

I am happy to get behind Marsch if we are indeed about to appoint him, but I can't say I am excited by his appointment!

I am hoping that this is all based on a rumour that sprung from someone hearing the name 'Jesse' mentioned by someone on the board. I am hoping that rather than appointing Jesse Marsch the board are planning instead to appoint Jess Thorup: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jess_Thorup

Jess Thorup is (I have read) known to Ankerson and has brilliant stats in terms of wins - over 50% in most of his managerial career. He is also currently without a club.

Please, please, please, let our imminent appointment be Jess Thorup rather than Jesse Marsch!!! :D

I looked Thorup up yesterday and came across this: 

It's not that positive but I guess at least he would be back working with Selles.  Doesn't look like happening anyway.

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11 minutes ago, Turkish said:

that's last one is a bit like the Northam

it all is reminiscent of our own support. many of the same chants (knock knock, you’re not singing over there, everywhere we go) and same style of fan as us. should fit well with the northam stand. I can’t wait for them to play american boy over the tannoy

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What’s good about him though? He’s failed at Leipzig and didn’t last until Xmas and then got sacked at our relegation rivals. Plus considering Salzburg have won the league 9 times in a row that’s not particularly impressive either tbh..

after pretty much failing at Leeds and Leipzig though I can’t really see the attraction ?

He's better than Jones, Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney, Selles (in respect that he’s not a manager) and a lot of the others on the managerial merry go round at the moment?

We've put ourselves in this situation by appointing a disaster in November, if we'd have done it properly in November we'd have had many more candidates - but as of now, given our position and status, our pool of choices is very small and in the context of everything that has gone on and the team we have, Marsch is the best fit.

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Nothing against Marsch - he seems to have a positive outlook and is likeable. We'd all like nothing more than for him to be a huge success.

Looking at it one dimensionally, it's difficult to get excited given his most recent PL stint, though understandably we're not really a great catch at the moment. 

If this ends up being a similar appointment to NJ and is a quick failure, then surely Dragan would start thinking twice about further investment with Rasmus making these decisions? 

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7 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I'm absolutley fascinated by the dynamic of him returning to Leeds with us as soon as he’s appointed, it's such an odd situation and doesn't happen that often.

If you think about it, we've had a spy inside our opponents camp for 6 months running all their training and now he's taking charge of us when we're playing that opponent. That must provide an advantage that isn't seen that often.

Leeds can't moan as they sent Beilsa up trees to spy on other teams.

Wasn’t that Pilchards….? 😉

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11 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I'm absolutley fascinated by the dynamic of him returning to Leeds with us as soon as he’s appointed, it's such an odd situation and doesn't happen that often.

If you think about it, we've had a spy inside our opponents camp for 6 months running all their training and now he's taking charge of us when we're playing that opponent. That must provide an advantage that isn't seen that often.

Leeds can't moan as they sent Beilsa up trees to spy on other teams.

Works both ways - they'll have a pretty good idea of how he wants us to play.  He'll obviously know a bit more about their players though so slight advantage to us I guess.  I'm looking forward to two pressing teams going head to head for 60 mins and then having a nap.

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2 hours ago, VectisSaint said:

Selles joined last Summer, 7 months.

Apologies...so the cluster fuck that has been this season...an ever present on both managers watch.

The point remains - what has he done to persuade anyone that he's the answer for the remainder of this season? 

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17 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

What’s good about him though? He’s failed at Leipzig and didn’t last until Xmas and then got sacked at our relegation rivals. Plus considering Salzburg have won the league 9 times in a row that’s not particularly impressive either tbh..

after pretty much failing at Leeds and Leipzig though I can’t really see the attraction ?

But he's nice and he smiles.

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4 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

Works both ways - they'll have a pretty good idea of how he wants us to play.  He'll obviously know a bit more about their players though so slight advantage to us I guess.  I'm looking forward to two pressing teams going head to head for 60 mins and then having a nap.

True, but I was looking at it from a player insights angle more than anything - their weaknesses/strengths etc.

They'll know what he'll want to do here, but they won't have the full detail on our squad like he has of theirs. 

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24 minutes ago, egg said:

Apologies...so the cluster fuck that has been this season...an ever present on both managers watch.

The point remains - what has he done to persuade anyone that he's the answer for the remainder of this season? 

On my twitter feed it seems the majority of the younger fans are keen on him

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32 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

He's better than Jones, Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney, Selles (in respect that he’s not a manager) and a lot of the others on the managerial merry go round at the moment?

We've put ourselves in this situation by appointing a disaster in November, if we'd have done it properly in November we'd have had many more candidates - but as of now, given our position and status, our pool of choices is very small and in the context of everything that has gone on and the team we have, Marsch is the best fit.

But better how? The job at Salzburg  is probably no more impressive then gerrard at rangers really is it ..?

he done poorly at Leipzig who are a very strong club and failed at leeds 

if he struggled with those two clubs who are both in better shape then us what makes it likely that he will do well with us ?

also if we are honest he looks worse then Ralph pre saints .. and I wouldn’t wanna go back to a Ralph 2.0 style either 

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52 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

What’s good about him though? He’s failed at Leipzig and didn’t last until Xmas and then got sacked at our relegation rivals. Plus considering Salzburg have won the league 9 times in a row that’s not particularly impressive either tbh..

after pretty much failing at Leeds and Leipzig though I can’t really see the attraction ?

He kept Leeds up last season when they looked on course for relegation. I'm not super excited by the appointment but that is the logic

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He wouldn't be my first choice, but I also don't have any better, realistic alternatives and I doubt he'd be anyone's first choice. We're all football fans and crave the unthinkable happening, but here's why he wouldn't be my last choice:

Leeds sacked the idolised Bielsa after 6-0 and 4-0 losses to Liverpool and Tottenham. It was always a tough act to follow, as Bielsa could do no wrong in their fans’ eyes, whereas we’re the complete opposite and believe a pigeon could manage the squad better than Jones. They were in 17th when Marsch was appointed and lost his first two games in charge, putting him in 18th. But, a little undefeated run, three wins, two draws, was only broken by three defeats to City, Arsenal and Chelsea, as you would expect, but drew with Brighton and beat Brentford on the final day, keeping them up.

Then in the summer, Leeds lost their two best players in Raphinha and Phillips, while Bamford, who I don’t personally rate, but is their best striker has spent most of the season injured.

Leeds haven’t been in the relegation zone at all this season, their lowest position is their current one, 17th. They were 14th when he was sacked. They’ve also lost only three games by two or more goals this season, Brentford, City and Leicester. So, for the most part it’s been narrow defeats that have done it for Marsch.

Now, he wouldn’t have been my first choice, but I’ve clearly talked myself into getting on board with him. We were never going to appoint a Koeman or a Poch as we sit 20th this late into the season and the last time we were in a similar situation we ended up with Mark Hughes on a three year contract. But, all we need right now is a man manager after months of players, including a January signing being ostracised after a couple of training sessions. A manager who isn’t going to change the eleven, and especially the defence every game. A manager who realises that Elyounoussi, Diallo and Bednarek are shit and have no business playing up here, let alone starting every week.

Worst case scenario is we go down with an attacking manager who has won the league in Austria while being clear favourites, which we are likely to be next season, rather than a defensive dinosaur.

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58 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

I looked Thorup up yesterday and came across this: 

It's not that positive but I guess at least he would be back working with Selles.  Doesn't look like happening anyway.

Thorup managed Tall Paul at Midtjylland and Genk too. I'm a big backer of Thorup, thought he'd be in the mix

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2 minutes ago, HarvSFC said:

He wouldn't be my first choice, but I also don't have any better, realistic alternatives and I doubt he'd be anyone's first choice. We're all football fans and crave the unthinkable happening, but here's why he wouldn't be my last choice:

Leeds sacked the idolised Bielsa after 6-0 and 4-0 losses to Liverpool and Tottenham. It was always a tough act to follow, as Bielsa could do no wrong in their fans’ eyes, whereas we’re the complete opposite and believe a pigeon could manage the squad better than Jones. They were in 17th when Marsch was appointed and lost his first two games in charge, putting him in 18th. But, a little undefeated run, three wins, two draws, was only broken by three defeats to City, Arsenal and Chelsea, as you would expect, but drew with Brighton and beat Brentford on the final day, keeping them up.

Then in the summer, Leeds lost their two best players in Raphinha and Phillips, while Bamford, who I don’t personally rate, but is their best striker has spent most of the season injured.

Leeds haven’t been in the relegation zone at all this season, their lowest position is their current one, 17th. They were 14th when he was sacked. They’ve also lost only three games by two or more goals this season, Brentford, City and Leicester. So, for the most part it’s been narrow defeats that have done it for Marsch.

Now, he wouldn’t have been my first choice, but I’ve clearly talked myself into getting on board with him. We were never going to appoint a Koeman or a Poch as we sit 20th this late into the season and the last time we were in a similar situation we ended up with Mark Hughes on a three year contract. But, all we need right now is a man manager after months of players, including a January signing being ostracised after a couple of training sessions. A manager who isn’t going to change the eleven, and especially the defence every game. A manager who realises that Elyounoussi, Diallo and Bednarek are shit and have no business playing up here, let alone starting every week.

Worst case scenario is we go down with an attacking manager who has won the league in Austria while being clear favourites, which we are likely to be next season, rather than a defensive dinosaur.

Im liking the sound of this pigeon, do we have any stats, a complete bio?

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1 hour ago, Turkish said:

that's last one is a bit like the Northam

I would love to see that "i believe that we will win chant" sung passionately by an American team's fans in a match in this country.... just to see what kind of response it gets from the home fans.

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33 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

But better how? The job at Salzburg  is probably no more impressive then gerrard at rangers really is it ..?

he done poorly at Leipzig who are a very strong club and failed at leeds 

if he struggled with those two clubs who are both in better shape then us what makes it likely that he will do well with us ?

also if we are honest he looks worse then Ralph pre saints .. and I wouldn’t wanna go back to a Ralph 2.0 style either 

Failed at Leeds is a bit harsh though isn't it. He had his best players sold and Bamford has been missing basically all season, other injuries as well. Reality is that he saved them last season, and he had them staying afloat this season despite the above... #Failed 🙄

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When the likes of Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney, and Bruce are in the mix, suddenly Marsch doesn't seem so bad.

There isn't much choice at the moment, and Saints certainly aren't an attractive proposition in our current position.

For me he ticks a few boxes and his positivity will definitely help.

Bottom line is whether the players buy into his 'project'. They are the ones who have to actually win these games.

Like most I'm persuading myself he'll be OK. I liked early Ralph's football and Marsch seems a continuation if that.

He'll certainly get a good welcome from the fans by the very fact he isn't Jones.

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