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We can’t start next season with Selles, doing better than Nathan Jones isn’t an achievement and we’ve looked abysmal in the games we’ve really needed to show up in, just reverting to Ralph’s tactics which failed towards the end is so naive, we need someone externally with fresh ideas who can build a new philosophy.

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On 02/04/2023 at 21:18, Raging Bull said:

Michael Carrick should be considered if Boro aren’t promoted 

This is who we should go all out to get .

knows the championship and has the premier league pedigree when we get back there. Did well as interim at Utd and boro are now a very good footballing side under him.

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13 hours ago, Chez said:

Ely is out of contract in the summer, so we won't need to pay anyone to shift him, unless there's been another `McCarthy contract type situation' where we extended  his contract ages ago, but the club have chosen not to reveal it?

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On 02/04/2023 at 22:18, Roo1976 said:

Guess we need to ask google for directions to Huddersfield next season.........

 

M62, junction 24. Drive down into the town centre then turn left onto the ring road and left again after TESCO.

 

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11 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

Rumours that Steve Cooper is about to be sacked by Forest. Pretty sure we were interested in him at one point so wouldnt rule that out as a possibility for next season

It is a strange one if they get rid of him, when teams make the call in April you have to ask why - they've stuck and showed support to the manager all season, he's worked with the group all season, you might as well let him see out the next 6 weeks. They're likely going to have a caretaker in place for 2/3 weeks anyway, so they're basically looking for a manager to 'bounce' them in a handful of games. It's the roll of a dice really, it's not like he's been a Jones for them - I think he's built a decent culture there, but people forget they're a bit of a rabble of individuals and that's where inconsistency comes into it. (so similar to Fulham a few years back)

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Cooper's the manager we need to go for if he does get the boot. Took Swansea to the play-off final with a little budget and who have since struggled without him and took Forest from bottom of the league to promotion in the same season.

Looks a bit like an alien, but he can't have it all. I also feel as though Forest's mad owner spending hasn't helped him this season.

Has a link to Crocker after they worked together in the England setup, just got to hope Crocker still speaks highly of us after handing in his resignation. Also, this ownership couldn't sell the project to Marsch, so...

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Difficult to see a new manager turning things around at Forest, especially with the size of their bloody squad. Where do you start if the all those players gets a clean slate with the new boss with 7 or 8 games to go. Ooof.

I think they'd deserve to go doen if they bin him.

 

Cooper could be a great appointment for us next year, although always the risk of Adkins-at-Reading vibes.

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8 hours ago, CB Fry said:

Difficult to see a new manager turning things around at Forest, especially with the size of their bloody squad. Where do you start if the all those players gets a clean slate with the new boss with 7 or 8 games to go. Ooof.

I think they'd deserve to go doen if they bin him.

 

Cooper could be a great appointment for us next year, although always the risk of Adkins-at-Reading vibes.

Nah Cooper is a proper manager. Done well at Swansea, then exceptionally well at forest (who are even more of a basket case then us, in terms of strategy). That’s forgetting the success he had with the youth national team. 

Cooper would be perfect for us. Knows the championship, given his background, seems like he’d work well with our young squad and would suit our strategy. 

Would he be interested? Not sure. Feels like he deserves a go at another PL club, but I’m not sure anyone would take a punt on him (maybe someone like Leicester or Leeds..?). 
 

We should be all over it though. 

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2 minutes ago, Dman said:

Nah Cooper is a proper manager. Done well at Swansea, then exceptionally well at forest (who are even more of a basket case then us, in terms of strategy). That’s forgetting the success he had with the youth national team. 

Cooper would be perfect for us. Knows the championship, given his background, seems like he’d work well with our young squad and would suit our strategy. 

Would he be interested? Not sure. Feels like he deserves a go at another PL club, but I’m not sure anyone would take a punt on him (maybe someone like Leicester or Leeds..?). 
 

We should be all over it though. 

We were linked with him earlier in the season around the time we sacked Ralph and Forest were struggling, the. He signed a new deal I think

he is clearly a good manager and a good fit but might be a bit too obvious for our genius chairman.

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1 minute ago, Turkish said:

We were linked with him earlier in the season around the time we sacked Ralph and Forest were struggling, the. He signed a new deal I think

he is clearly a good manager and a good fit but might be a bit too obvious for our genius chairman.

I think we’ll end up sticking with Ralph v2, in Selles. Not my choice and imo the incorrect one - I think we need to rid ourselves of everyone involved over the past 2/3 years. 

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Convict Colony

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23 hours ago, Appy said:

We can’t start next season with Selles, doing better than Nathan Jones isn’t an achievement and we’ve looked abysmal in the games we’ve really needed to show up in, just reverting to Ralph’s tactics which failed towards the end is so naive, we need someone externally with fresh ideas who can build a new philosophy.

Alternatively selles went back to Ralphball as it gave us and the squad a better chance as a team to get results and as he had no time to implement his own style in this run in, which seems sensible and defensively we have been much better.

Realistically the premise only falls down as we do not have a goalscorer who can play in a pressing system, the ones who can cannot score.

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59 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Alternatively selles went back to Ralphball as it gave us and the squad a better chance as a team to get results and as he had no time to implement his own style in this run in, which seems sensible and defensively we have been much better.

Realistically the premise only falls down as we do not have a goalscorer who can play in a pressing system, the ones who can cannot score.

Going back to a style that didn’t work (hence a better manager than him getting sacked for it), is a bit daft, don’t you think? 

We’re a little better defensively than we were under Ralph, but don’t create anywhere near as much either. When you need to win games, that’s a big problem. 

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Convict Colony

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32 minutes ago, Dman said:

Going back to a style that didn’t work (hence a better manager than him getting sacked for it), is a bit daft, don’t you think? 

We’re a little better defensively than we were under Ralph, but don’t create anywhere near as much either. When you need to win games, that’s a big problem. 

Beggars can't be choosers and introducing a 3rd style in a season of pain without clinical goal scorer just has us getting the same results I'd guess.

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2 hours ago, Dman said:

Nah Cooper is a proper manager. Done well at Swansea, then exceptionally well at forest (who are even more of a basket case then us, in terms of strategy). That’s forgetting the success he had with the youth national team. 

Cooper would be perfect for us. Knows the championship, given his background, seems like he’d work well with our young squad and would suit our strategy. 

Would he be interested? Not sure. Feels like he deserves a go at another PL club, but I’m not sure anyone would take a punt on him (maybe someone like Leicester or Leeds..?). 
 

We should be all over it though. 

Make no mistake I would be delighted if we got him.

Genuinely feels like a perfect fit, I don't think he will get another Prem job, he will need to get himself promoted into it, again.

But yes as Turkish says too obvious an appointment for the out-of-the-box geniuses that have transformed our club.

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3 hours ago, Convict Colony said:

Alternatively selles went back to Ralphball as it gave us and the squad a better chance as a team to get results and as he had no time to implement his own style in this run in, which seems sensible and defensively we have been much better.

Realistically the premise only falls down as we do not have a goalscorer who can play in a pressing system, the ones who can cannot score.

What is Ralphball? Is it the 442 formation and hell for leather high press, steal the ball in their defensive third and a couple of quick passes before shooting on sight?

We certainly went back to 442, but not sure I've seen much of the high press. A little, but not much.

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3 hours ago, Turkish said:

He signed a new deal I think

 

Two year deal. Contracted until 2025. Marinakis hasn't been afraid to pull the trigger on managers though. They've had 9 since he bought the club in 2017.

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Raging Bull

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11 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Sensible from Forest.

 

There’s little to no point in sacking him now. But I’m pretty sure he’ll be gone when the season ends. 
 

And I really hope someone sorts out Ankerson’s spreadsheet so it’s “read only” and we appoint him. 
 

The club also need a few more handsome chaps, so Cooper will fit right in. 

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Please not Selles. Gray... Wigley... we're not exactly successful appointing coaches as managers. I wish Selles the best for the future but we won't be in a position to wait to see if he'll be a good manager. We will want instant promotion which means very swiftly bringing in a new manager that knows what's what.

 

Who? God knows. Someone that has had success getting teams promoted in recent history. What's Daniel Farke up to these days...

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Saint Gifford

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It’s not just the next manager unfortunately. Our culture, identity, belief, and all those buzz words have gone. 
 

I was always a Cortese fan because of how the structure, process from top to bottom that created the right approach to everything. 
 

I’m sure that was the start of the “Southampton Way”.  A cliche now I know., but at the time really worked.

It comes down to the players frame of mind and what’s expected, ie coaches not accepting a sloppy pass or miss controlling the ball in training. ( the right driven coaches have to be employed and stick to these principles). 
 

If that happened you are on the bench on the weekend, you don’t play. If you want to play you absolutely don’t miss control or make a bad pass in training. 
 

These are the standards, and are non negotiable.

If you want to play and if reports were correct back then, that they had personal mattresses and pillows delivered by van to away hotels, that commitment is on you.

Players on their own had to get up and run, gym off their own back and not be told. Then you will get everything you need. 
 

Personal Fitness is down to the player, drive and ambition is down to the player. Coaching development, direction, positioning down to the staff , management and club.
 

The right club culture, direction from the top, understanding of players and coaches needs. 
 

100% this is the commitment, anything less both coaches, players, staff there is the door, find another club. 
 

That’s before we get to stats, moneyball, strength conditioning, food, mental conditioning ect ect ect


 

 

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24 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Remember when some on here thought Eddie Howe wasn’t good enough to be our manager 🤣🤣

 

Newcastle were superb tonight, should have scored 7 or 8. Hats off to him

 

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On 04/04/2023 at 00:21, Weston Super Saint said:

What players of ours do you have in mind that are proven attackers?

"Proven" is somehow a luxury we do not have... The gamble I would gladly take based off of recent performances would be Sulle, Alcaraz, and Paul over Ely, Mara, and Stu.  I am fine with keeping Walcott on the pitch to work with Paul until Che returns.

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4 hours ago, St. Ciervo said:

"Proven" is somehow a luxury we do not have... The gamble I would gladly take based off of recent performances would be Sulle, Alcaraz, and Paul over Ely, Mara, and Stu.  I am fine with keeping Walcott on the pitch to work with Paul until Che returns.

Didn't we try that already a couple of times?  We've had one goal (?) from that combination haven't we?

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1 hour ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

Maybe Nigel Pearson could do a decent job in the Championship. At least he would put a bit of fire into the bellies of this current bunch of pussycats. 

Thought he did a good job for us and a shame we could afford to keep him. He created the foundation for Leicester's success too. Currently Bristol City manager, so we'll probably be up against him next season as they are going nowhere.

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9 hours ago, Master Bates said:

He wouldn't have had the same amount of money to spend on the players Newcastle's owners brought in

In his first season, they brought him in because they were at (or near) the bottom of the table and he completely turned them around, spending similar money, in that first January transfer window, to what we just did.

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13 hours ago, Master Bates said:

He wouldn't have had the same amount of money to spend on the players Newcastle's owners brought in

Even so, he has them 3rd, playing brilliantly, with the likes of Joe Willock, Longstaff and Nick Pope in the side....

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17 hours ago, East Kent Saint said:

Lampard back to Chelsea is the word ! Might work like last time ie he let players play their way , this was OK till it was sussed out and a plan B was required.

He was actually more successful as Chelsea manager when there was a transfer ban and he had to ok with the youngsters coming through. They thrived.

It was when the van was lifted and the classic Chelsea spending began it fell apart. Squad becomes unbalanced etc.

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16 hours ago, Chez said:

Thought he did a good job for us and a shame we could afford to keep him. He created the foundation for Leicester's success too. Currently Bristol City manager, so we'll probably be up against him next season as they are going nowhere.

In fairness, he hasn’t had a lot of money to spend according to my city mates. ( wrong side of the river for me, let them sink to obscurity).
 

Lansdown has been ploughing money into Sport Bristol. ( Rugby - Bears. Basketball - Flyers and soon  to be Ice Hockey????

Even so players at his disposal, he has not covered himself in glory according to my “red mates”. 
 

Their fans expectations  are huge given a billionaire owner, yet they won’t sack him and his incompetence. 
 

Up for discussion between there fans as why he hasn’t gone. 
 

But no I would not have him back., absolutely not. 

 

 

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