FarehamSaintJames Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 Right, let’s have some honesty. Who had heard of Gallardo prior to Ralph’s sacking? Who had heard of the Torino boss before yesterday evening? 🤦🏻♂️ 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said: Right, let’s have some honesty. Who had heard of Gallardo prior to Ralph’s sacking? Who had heard of the Torino boss before yesterday evening? 🤦🏻♂️ Yes, 3days ago if that counts when I read he rejected us previous. Edited 13 February, 2023 by Master Bates 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streaky Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 1 minute ago, FarehamSaintJames said: Right, let’s have some honesty. Who had heard of Gallardo prior to Ralph’s sacking? Who had heard of the Torino boss before yesterday evening? 🤦🏻♂️ Yep, I play football manager alot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 Rob Edwards at Luton is doing great things… #JustSayin 😉 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 4 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said: Right, let’s have some honesty. Who had heard of Gallardo prior to Ralph’s sacking? Who had heard of the Torino boss before yesterday evening? 🤦🏻♂️ Yep and posted as such weeks ago as he was the name Blackmore mentioned on air after Forest game I think. Before that nope:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 10 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said: Right, let’s have some honesty. Who had heard of Gallardo prior to Ralph’s sacking? Who had heard of the Torino boss before yesterday evening? 🤦🏻♂️ I had does that mean i win ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 10 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: I bet they fuckin are 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Scarlet Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 An American magazine’s take on Marsch’s sacking at Leeds. https://www.sportingnews.com/ca/soccer/news/leeds-united-sack-jesse-marsch-premier-league-american-manager/q8vrldd3zlodad6g26su1gk2 Lots of stats for Ankerson! I’m OK with Marsch, I think he will suit the majority of our players, and play good football. He will also stick around if we get relegated. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 None of the three former England players would be my choice but if it had to be one of them, my order of preference would be... 1) Rooney 2) Gerrard 3) Lampard 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Timmier Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 13 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said: Right, let’s have some honesty. Who had heard of Gallardo prior to Ralph’s sacking? Yep. I've spent a fair bit of time in Buenos Aires and follow River Plate as a second team. Even got two RP replica shirts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 I reckon the majority of people on here hadn’t heard of either 😅 Fair enough! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santolijador Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 (edited) If we have to go for one of these former England players, I'd take a punt on Rooney. Did a decent enough job at Derby given everything they went through, and tends to play a 4-2-3-1 which suits our players. He'd be a good Championship manager, and a big enough name to hopefully convince some players to stick around. Edited 13 February, 2023 by santolijador 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedyfly Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 (edited) Gallardo yes, and mostly because he has been named a few times around the Brazil national team setup, but because of his nationality and the fact that Tite was given another chance he wasn't/hasn't given the job... yet! That would be some come down though. Torino manager = no. But he seems the right kind of nut job so I am on board with that. The rest can get in the bin, Marsch, Lampard et al. Rooney less so but he wouldn't be my first choice. Edited 13 February, 2023 by Greedyfly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 1 minute ago, santolijador said: If we have to go for one of these former England players, I'd take a punt on Rooney. Did a decent enough job at Derby given everything they went through, and tends to play a 4-2-3-1 which suits our players. He'd be a good Championship manager, and a big enough name to hopefully convince some players to stick around. I'd say that's an horrendous appointment. I hope we go nowhere near that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 2 minutes ago, Greedyfly said: Gallardo yes, and mostly because he has been named a few times around the Brazil national team setup, but because of his nationality and the fact that Tite was given another chance he wasn't/hasn't given the job... yet! That would be some come down though. Torino manager = no. But he seems the right kind of nut job so I am on board with that. The rest can get in the bin, Marsch, Lampard et al. Rooney less so but he wouldn't be my first choice. Gallardo is Argentinian. 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ButtikonSaint Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 (edited) 38 minutes ago, OldNick said: Why are you setting your sights so low, loser Fair enough, Hassan Khalifa it is then... Edited 13 February, 2023 by ButtikonSaint messed up the filter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayrivers Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 38 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said: Links to Juric over last 24 encouraging as vastly superior coach to Marsch IMHO. Hope they are also talking to the Iberian connection, Nuno and Bruno who are my one and two choices. Nuno masterstroke as a fit, Bruno a close second (more likely). What sets Juric out above Marsch? I don't know a huge amount about him, but I did read he plays 3 at the back which is slightly concerning given our history with that set up. Also I worry that we don't have time to instill a new way of playing. Marsch obviously comes from the redbull structure, loves the high press high intensity, high risk/reward football they instill, and we do as well as a club. At first glance I wasn't impressed with the Marsch links, but the more I've looked into him and his history I get the logic a lot more so than with Jones. Had he not been sacked (some are saying unfairly) from Leeds, or be American, I think people would be a lot more interested in him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 35 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said: Right, let’s have some honesty. Who had heard of Gallardo prior to Ralph’s sacking? Who had heard of the Torino boss before yesterday evening? 🤦🏻♂️ Nope. Who is the Torino boss? Just trying to catch up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 21 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: None of the three former England players would be my choice but if it had to be one of them, my order of preference would be... 1) Rooney 2) Gerrard 3) Lampard Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 1 hour ago, Smirking_Saint said: You’re absolutely spot on except for the fact that analytics and metrics is a HUGE approach to how Bielsa sets up and coaches and he has always been a huge advocate for analytics in football and coaching in particular, he’s also pretty egotistical, you only have to remember the whole spygate saga So obviously apart from being completely wrong in your attempt to side swipe SR its a cracking post 👍🏻 Well I can’t get everything right with so much Football stress. The window has only just slammed ffs. Apparently the spying is commonplace in Argentina and I note Bielsa paid the resulting £200,000 fine from out of his own pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 If it’s Rooney he doesn’t have to travel too far from St Marys for his afternoon delight 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 Just now, Give it to Ron said: If it’s Rooney he doesn’t have to travel too far from St Marys for his afternoon delight Speaking from experience? 😉 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 6 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said: Why? Because Rooney did great at Derby with the resources he had and situation they were in. Gerrard went a season unbeaten at Rangers which, regardless of the football standard is still a brilliant achievement. Lampard really hasn't done all that well anywhere 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 Marsch doesn't understand the role of a winger. Watch the way Leeds played under him - everything down the middle. Even when it wasn't working he persisted with it. I have a feeling he'll get the job but God knows why. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExSholingSaint Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 Let's just throw a shit load of money at Vincent Kompany & get him in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 2 minutes ago, Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd said: Marsch doesn't understand the role of a winger. Watch the way Leeds played under him - everything down the middle. Even when it wasn't working he persisted with it. I have a feeling he'll get the job but God knows why. That’s what Leeds fan told me earlier when I asked him. 4-2-3-1 but very narrow susceptible to big switch of play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 1 minute ago, Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd said: Marsch doesn't understand the role of a winger. Watch the way Leeds played under him - everything down the middle. Even when it wasn't working he persisted with it. I have a feeling he'll get the job but God knows why. That's because he doesn't play with wingers, as he is an adopter of the 4-2-2-2 formation. So the wide players come inside, provide the space for the full backs to attack. Pretty common approach in gegenpressing style, as you overload the middle with options to press and stress the oppo in the 'Red Zone' - as Ralph liked to call it. So it's not that he doesn't know how to use wingers, the style he practices doesn't utilise them in the traditional sense. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintscummer Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 28 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: I'd say that's an horrendous appointment. I hope we go nowhere near that. Based on ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 9 minutes ago, ExSholingSaint said: Let's just throw a shit load of money at Vincent Kompany & get him in. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 12 minutes ago, Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd said: Marsch doesn't understand the role of a winger. Watch the way Leeds played under him - everything down the middle. Even when it wasn't working he persisted with it. I have a feeling he'll get the job but God knows why. Just as well we didn’t sign any traditional wingers then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexter1987 Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 Rooney , Lampard ou Gerrard is certain relegation 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 18 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: Because Rooney did great at Derby with the resources he had and situation they were in. Gerrard went a season unbeaten at Rangers which, regardless of the football standard is still a brilliant achievement. Lampard really hasn't done all that well anywhere Agree. My school football team went 2 1/2 years unbeaten and won every competition we entered. Lets get Mr Anstee in. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarvSFC Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 Rooney's record at D.C. United is terrible. 9 losses in 14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 8 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: That's because he doesn't play with wingers, as he is an adopter of the 4-2-2-2 formation. So the wide players come inside, provide the space for the full backs to attack. Pretty common approach in gegenpressing style, as you overload the middle with options to press and stress the oppo in the 'Red Zone' - as Ralph liked to call it. So it's not that he doesn't know how to use wingers, the style he practices doesn't utilise them in the traditional sense. Yeah, and virtually every winger cuts inside these days regardless of formation anyway. Seems to me that this season our problems are a combination of players getting hacked off with Ralph personally and a deviation from the 4-2-2-2 in an effort to shore up the defence. The tactical change hasn't worked but we've got better players in defence such as ABK and Caleta-Car and I wonder if reverting to 4-2-2-2 with a different voice and better players is all that's needed. Certainly wouldn't require a massive change from what most of the players are used to and are comfortable with. We'd still have issues with the defence but we might be a bit better and, crucially, we should be scoring goals. Tall Paul probably doesn't fit a pressing side but does offer something different and that might compensate for his lack of stamina. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 1 minute ago, Turkish said: Agree. My school football team went 2 1/2 years unbeaten and won every competition we entered. Lets get Mr Anstee in. Promote Steve Bywater to the job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustang Saint Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 17 hours ago, iansums said: Jones sacked, strong rumours of Marsch to replace him. Now, tell me more about the Maldives, far more interesting, planning on going there myself this time next year. Destination2 we found to be the best. If you want a really chilled out with very few kids and an island that takes 15 minutes to walk around look up summer island. Absolute heaven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millbrook Saint Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Flexter1987 said: Rooney , Lampard ou Gerrard is certain relegation the last thing we need is another manager with more ego than ability Edited 13 February, 2023 by Millbrook Saint 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 Here’s a genuine question, ‘everybody’ seems to want a high press 4-2-2-2, apparently our players are well-suited to it and have been recruited with that system in mind. Looking at the season now, if we get a good pressing manager, are the players currently fit enough to play that system? Looking at the way we often run out of legs at 65-70 minutes it would possibly suggest not? If new manager needs the players ‘fitter’ how quickly sports-science wise can players fitness be adapted (improved) while they are playing a full fixture list? Obvs doesn’t apply to next season when there is a full pre-season available. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvictaSaint Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 4 minutes ago, HarvSFC said: Rooney's record at D.C. United is terrible. 9 losses in 14. Jones-esque… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 1 minute ago, sandwichsaint said: Here’s a genuine question, ‘everybody’ seems to want a high press 4-2-2-2, apparently our players are well-suited to it and have been recruited with that system in mind. Looking at the season now, if we get a good pressing manager, are the players currently fit enough to play that system? Looking at the way we often run out of legs at 65-70 minutes it would possibly suggest not? If new manager needs the players ‘fitter’ how quickly sports-science wise can players fitness be adapted (improved) while they are playing a full fixture list? Obvs doesn’t apply to next season when there is a full pre-season available. I understand it is very difficult to significantly improve fitness levels at the same time as playing matches. There is absolutely no excuse these days for not being as fit as every other team in the Premier League - if we are not then that is criminal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 4 minutes ago, sandwichsaint said: Here’s a genuine question, ‘everybody’ seems to want a high press 4-2-2-2, apparently our players are well-suited to it and have been recruited with that system in mind. Looking at the season now, if we get a good pressing manager, are the players currently fit enough to play that system? Looking at the way we often run out of legs at 65-70 minutes it would possibly suggest not? If new manager needs the players ‘fitter’ how quickly sports-science wise can players fitness be adapted (improved) while they are playing a full fixture list? Obvs doesn’t apply to next season when there is a full pre-season available. The think that probably works in our favour now as opposed to last season with this style is we have better quality on the bench to bring on. We now have genuine alternative in most positions if we were going to play 4222 and the ability to use 5 of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 13 minutes ago, Saintscummer said: Based on ? Because he's a thick idiot who has shagged grannys, gets pissed up and thought it was a good idea to talk about his tiny knob to the DC United players? Because his record in America is horrendous? Because he hasn't shown to have the tactical nous or managerial experience necessary to manage a club to the required standard? I can't think of a single reason why he would be a good appointment beyond being high profile and getting half a season of decent form from a Championship team with the pressure off and zero expectation. I don't want Gerrard but from a managerial point of view he's ten times better. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 2 minutes ago, saintant said: I understand it is very difficult to significantly improve fitness levels at the same time as playing matches. There is absolutely no excuse these days for not being as fit as every other team in the Premier League - if we are not then that is criminal. especially as now with 5 subs you can basically change half the outfield players during the match. No excuses for being knackered. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 7 minutes ago, Mustang Saint said: Destination2 we found to be the best. If you want a really chilled out with very few kids and an island that takes 15 minutes to walk around look up summer island. Absolute heaven I hope you are balling out in the Summer House - looks decent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 Curious as to who would be a realistic appointment for those saying no to Marsch, no to gerrard and no to Lampard ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 Just now, Ed Rooney said: Curious as to who would be a realistic appointment for those saying no to Marsch, no to gerrard and no to Lampard ? Lampard no but Marsch and Gerrard acceptable IMO. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, HarvSFC said: Rooney's record at D.C. United is terrible. 9 losses in 14. He sounds perfect Edited 13 February, 2023 by SO16_Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 15 minutes ago, revolution saint said: Seems to me that this season our problems are a combination of players getting hacked off with Ralph personally and a deviation from the 4-2-2-2 in an effort to shore up the defence. The tactical change hasn't worked but we've got better players in defence such as ABK and Caleta-Car and I wonder if reverting to 4-2-2-2 with a different voice and better players is all that's needed. Certainly wouldn't require a massive change from what most of the players are used to and are comfortable with. Sounds logical but I guess it depends upon why the players got hacked off with Ralph in the first place. Maybe they were more hacked off with the system Ralph instilled, and his dogmatism in sticking with it, rather it just being a clash of personalities? If it was the former, then bringing in a Ralph tactical clone (i.e. marsch) could lead us straight back to square one...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 13 February, 2023 Share Posted 13 February, 2023 1 minute ago, Turkish said: Lampard no but Marsch and Gerrard acceptable IMO. Personally I’d go with that aswell. I may be in a minority but i think Gerrard could be the best option we have right now, well respected among players, a manager arguably last chance saloon to build his managerial reputation again, so he will be driven. Think alot of the younger players will look up to him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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