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Following the news of the FA charging Man City with over 100 counts of alleged cases of breaking ffp rules, I was wondering about the effects sanctions might have on SFC if the charges are upheld. Talksport were saying that MCFC would have known about the charges for quite some time.

1. Obviously there’s what may happen if they’re deducted points or even relegated…would that be one of the three slots gone giving SFC a small lifeline?

2. Would there be implications regarding any of the previous player sales to us? For example, if the finances have been inaccurate would sell-on fees etc be discounted? Would any of the actual player sales themselves be investigated, particularly with Joe F’s involvement?

3. We’re supposedly going to see a senior MCFC Management figure join the club in the summer as Director of Football. Would this be put into question for any reason?

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1 minute ago, RedArmy said:

They will get a “big” fine which will be completely insignificant to their owners, which will probably be reduced upon appeal and they will carry on as they have been until they get caught again. 

This. Without a shadow of doubt.

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11 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

They will get a “big” fine which will be completely insignificant to their owners, which will probably be reduced upon appeal and they will carry on as they have been until they get caught again. 

I’m not so sure this time. Not really been following the story in detail, but following the UEFA investigation there’s much higher level of scrutiny over the FA’s ability to self regulate and the thought is that given the huge significance of the allegations, the FA will need to be seen to throw the book at them. We shall see, but it’s almost as intriguing as a NJ training session. 🤪

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1 minute ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

I’m not so sure this time. Not really been following the story in detail, but following the UEFA investigation there’s much higher level of scrutiny over the FA’s ability to self regulate and the thought is that given the huge significance of the allegations, the FA will need to be seen to throw the book at them. We shall see, but it’s almost as intriguing as a NJ training session. 🤪

theres over 100 cases, their ex lawyer thinks they should be relegated

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1 minute ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

We shall see, but it’s almost as intriguing as a NJ training session. 🤪

So no fines, relegations or deductions. They are just going to get some angry welsh bloke to shout at them really loudly. 
Could be NJ's next job, maybe he'll be head-hunted.

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1 minute ago, SotonianWill said:

theres over 100 cases, their ex lawyer thinks they should be relegated

This simply won't happen and even if it did they will simply appeal to CAS and have it thrown out money talks and City have shed loads of it.  

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Just now, a1ex2001 said:

This simply won't happen and even if it did they will simply appeal to CAS and have it thrown out money talks and City have shed loads of it.  

Apparently they wouldn't be able to appeal this if it went to CAS, something different in the source of the allegations compared to Uefa.

But it's worth bearing in mind that any actions will not be seen for many years, this isn't something you'll see the resolution of this season. We'll see in a couple of years how this has played out.

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Let's give them half a point deduction for every transgression. This would put them on -5 with 17 games left.

If we go with a low bar of 35 points to stay up it would need them to amass at least 40 points from a possible 51 to stay up.

Would be brilliant to see the league really clamp down on them like the Italians have done with Juventus.

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5 hours ago, a1ex2001 said:

This simply won't happen and even if it did they will simply appeal to CAS and have it thrown out money talks and City have shed loads of it.  

They can't appeal to CAS apparently.

They're accused of some shady stuff. Listened to talk sport earlier and apparently Mancini had a shadow contract that paid him more than his man city contract... for 4 days work... if they've done this with key staff and players going back to 2009, they're simply no way they don't have their titles stripped and get demoted. It would invalidate their league finish in every season since... Its an entirely separate issue to their fake "sponsorship" deals - but that in itself is worth sanctions if proven. If they have had shadow contracts for players and staff, i would imagine they'll be further repercussions on those individuals as that breaches 3rd party ownership rules.

They haven't provided evidence because presumably they don't like what the evidence shows...

Added to all of that, the government is now looking to take controls from the premier league and has accused it of not being able to police itself. Up steps the perfect opportunity after 4 years of investigations and 100 allegations... they're deeply in the shite as it stands, and they need to find some pretty compelling evidence to defend these various allegations... evidence that they've already been sanctioned for withholding 😆

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1 hour ago, Saint_clark said:

I don't see how it could just be a fine. If they've cheated by spending too much money, how can you allow them to cheat their way out of proper punishment by spending more money? In these circumstances a fine just amounts to a bribe to make this all go away.

The family that owns City are worth around one trillion dollars. They will be able to pay enough to lawyers to make this inconvenience go away. And then an example will be made of a smaller club to show that justice is being done.

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The owners of City, Chelsea and Newcastle are helping bankroll Sky Sports and the Premier League by bringing in the biggest names in world football. They will not bite the hand that feeds them. It'll be a fine that will not even make the slightest impact on the riches of the owners. The whole thing is a charade.

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On 06/02/2023 at 22:30, Kenilworthy said:

The family that owns City are worth around one trillion dollars. They will be able to pay enough to lawyers to make this inconvenience go away. And then an example will be made of a smaller club to show that justice is being done.

Nah, if they're found guilty of most of these charges they're done. They'll be stripped and kicked out. Will mean they've essentially cheated financial rules to overspend every season since 2009 - impacting on the competitiveness of other teams, they're league finishes, as well as the required cost of remaining competitive in the league. Teams have been sticking to the rules whilst City may have been paying shadow contracts to staff and players - effectivley ignoring FFP and allowing them to dope themselves to the hilt every season. All of which has compounded over the years. The big 6 will turn on them, sides like us will have had placements affected on the odd rare seasons, domestic cups have been won, and there will also be inevitable follow ups related to 3rd party ownership and tax matters. 

Plenty of examples in Rugby, European football, and even cases like Swindon in this country. 

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Not sure the Premier League has the balls to follow their own rules. As for the big six instead of turning on them I expect them to emulate it, I wouldn't be surprised if in fact they were already doing the same thing. It will intresting to see how they react if they stay quiet you know they were doing it too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Saint86 said:

Nah, if they're found guilty of most of these charges they're done. They'll be stripped and kicked out. Will mean they've essentially cheated financial rules to overspend every season since 2009 - impacting on the competitiveness of other teams, they're league finishes, as well as the required cost of remaining competitive in the league. Teams have been sticking to the rules whilst City may have been paying shadow contracts to staff and players - effectivley ignoring FFP and allowing them to dope themselves to the hilt every season. All of which has compounded over the years. The big 6 will turn on them, sides like us will have had placements affected on the odd rare seasons, domestic cups have been won, and there will also be inevitable follow ups related to 3rd party ownership and tax matters. 

Plenty of examples in Rugby, European football, and even cases like Swindon in this country. 

Rather than being a good thing this could hasten the formation of a breakaway European league led by City

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3 hours ago, Saint86 said:

Nah, if they're found guilty of most of these charges they're done. They'll be stripped and kicked out. Will mean they've essentially cheated financial rules to overspend every season since 2009 - impacting on the competitiveness of other teams, they're league finishes, as well as the required cost of remaining competitive in the league. Teams have been sticking to the rules whilst City may have been paying shadow contracts to staff and players - effectivley ignoring FFP and allowing them to dope themselves to the hilt every season. All of which has compounded over the years. The big 6 will turn on them, sides like us will have had placements affected on the odd rare seasons, domestic cups have been won, and there will also be inevitable follow ups related to 3rd party ownership and tax matters. 

Plenty of examples in Rugby, European football, and even cases like Swindon in this country. 

Not a snowball's chance in hell.

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I thought one of the most interesting points that came out of this was that they are alleged to have downplayed the amount paid to their manager by using their multi-club structure to effectively employ him at another club. I hope SR take note and don't try any underhand means like this.  SR do seem to see Man City as a role model and a source of good staff. Whilst it would be nice if Jones was actually employed by Goztepe, it might not do us any good in the long run. 

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20 hours ago, Kenilworthy said:

Rather than being a good thing this could hasten the formation of a breakaway European league led by City

 

19 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Isn’t that a good thing?

It would be a good thing for a lot of us, and with talk of a European Super League back in the news today, this could happen this time.

European Super League: Fresh plans for 80-team competition announced by chief executive Bernd Reichart | Football News | Sky Sports

Slightly different format proposed this time (shame) that could see the top clubs coming and going but with the big TV money gradually leaking out of the PL to the ESL it could be a game-changer for the lesser clubs in England currently being back-rolled by the mega-rich. I can only see Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool being taken seriously globally in a league with the likes of Barca, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, etc. - I could see the owners of Newcastle, even City, having second thoughts and pulling the plug to divert funds to bigger clubs. If it happens this way I still think it will eventually lead to a breakaway super league further down the line.

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29 minutes ago, 100%Red&White said:

 

It would be a good thing for a lot of us, and with talk of a European Super League back in the news today, this could happen this time.

European Super League: Fresh plans for 80-team competition announced by chief executive Bernd Reichart | Football News | Sky Sports

Slightly different format proposed this time (shame) that could see the top clubs coming and going but with the big TV money gradually leaking out of the PL to the ESL it could be a game-changer for the lesser clubs in England currently being back-rolled by the mega-rich. I can only see Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool being taken seriously globally in a league with the likes of Barca, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, etc. - I could see the owners of Newcastle, even City, having second thoughts and pulling the plug to divert funds to bigger clubs. If it happens this way I still think it will eventually lead to a breakaway super league further down the line.

Noi mention of Tottenham?

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On 08/02/2023 at 17:42, Kenilworthy said:

Rather than being a good thing this could hasten the formation of a breakaway European league led by City

Interesting timing of the announcement today of a new push to create a new league. Some might think City are driving the agenda here.

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