Southampton 1-2 Wolves - Match Thread

[JRM]

3 hours ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

For me the biggest problem is no longer Jones, it’s Rasmus Ankersen who has made a disastrous decision and then criminally has failed to recognise and rectify it. 

I've been trying to make this point, my understanding is Jones didn't apply for the job and convince us he was the right man for the job, we went after him and convinced him we were the right club for him.

[Mr X]

13 minutes ago, JRM said:

I've been trying to make this point, my understanding is Jones didn't apply for the job and convince us he was the right man for the job, we went after him and convinced him we were the right club for him.

This is why it's absolutely pointless getting rid of Jones without getting rid of ankerson too he's just going to repeat the same delusions and horrendous decisions in the championship 

[hypochondriac]

3 hours ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

For me the biggest problem is no longer Jones, it’s Rasmus Ankersen who has made a disastrous decision and then criminally has failed to recognise and rectify it. 

It's a real shame too. When reports suggested we were getting rid last week, I said we had to forgive and forget and understand that people make mistakes. If he gets rid of hin now, he's just completely wasted a week and lost any remaining fan goodwill. Absolutely pointless and even if we had got a result yesterday it wouldn't have meant he should have stayed or that he was in any way suitable. 

[hypochondriac]

38 minutes ago, Mr X said:

This is why it's absolutely pointless getting rid of Jones without getting rid of ankerson too he's just going to repeat the same delusions and horrendous decisions in the championship 

I am a bit worried that we will go for another inexperienced hipster choice based on metrics rather than a seasoned campaigner who can get the best out of our young squad. 

Edited 12 February, 2023 by hypochondriac

[Baird of the land]

13 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I am a bit worried that we will go for another inexperienced hipster choice based on metrics rather than a seasoned campaigner who can get the best out of our small squad. 

Small squad, we've got a massive bloated squad.

[Whitey Grandad]

22 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

It's a real shame too. When reports suggested we were getting rid last week, I said we had to forgive and forget and understand that people make mistakes. If he gets rid of hin now, he's just completely wasted a week and lost any remaining fan goodwill. Absolutely pointless and even if we had got a result yesterday it wouldn't have meant he should have stayed or that he was in any way suitable. 

The annoying thing is that just one win out of his seven losses might have left us with a chance. Now we are realistically going to need two wins more than Leeds just to overtake them and the other teams around us aren’t going to lose every game just to suit us.

[Miltonaggro]

48 minutes ago, JRM said:

I've been trying to make this point, my understanding is Jones didn't apply for the job and convince us he was the right man for the job, we went after him and convinced him we were the right club for him.

Beggars belief. 

[JRM]

1 minute ago, Miltonaggro said:

Beggars belief. 

It's why I do have a little sympathy with Jones, financially he's sorted but professionally he must be regretting it. 

[hypochondriac]

21 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

Small squad, we've got a massive bloated squad.

Not sure why I wrote small. I meant inexperienced. 

[Whitey Grandad]

2 minutes ago, JRM said:

It's why I do have a little sympathy with Jones, financially he's sorted but professionally he must be regretting it. 

Financially he’s set up for life. Alan Ball said much the same when he left us to go and manage Man City. He couldn’t turn down that opportunity.

[saintant]

2 hours ago, rooney said:

We lost by comical defending  and lack of taking opportunities up front. This happens week after week after week. Not sure now if the players have the intelligence or ability to rectify this. We ARE going down. 

Partly true but the main reason we lost was down to tactical ineptitude from Jones.

[Saints4Prem]

Jones is gone onwards and upwards lets hope its not too late 

[Stokieinpeace]

This is going the same way as Mad Nathan’s tenure at Stoke. The difference is it took 34 games for our board to realise his bungling incompetence with us anchored at the bottom of the championship with 8 points after 15 games. Really hope your board see their error and get rid of him. He’s showing again that he really is a footballing charlatan. 

[carljack]

Just now, Saints4Prem said:

Jones is gone onwards and upwards lets hope its not too late 

gone

[Weston Super Saint]

Just now, Stokieinpeace said:

This is going the same way as Mad Nathan’s tenure at Stoke. The difference is it took 34 games for our board to realise his bungling incompetence with us anchored at the bottom of the championship with 8 points after 15 games. Really hope your board see their error and get rid of him. He’s showing again that he really is a footballing charlatan. 

Done

[Whitey Grandad]

32 minutes ago, Stokieinpeace said:

This is going the same way as Mad Nathan’s tenure at Stoke. The difference is it took 34 games for our board to realise his bungling incompetence with us anchored at the bottom of the championship with 8 points after 15 games. Really hope your board see their error and get rid of him. He’s showing again that he really is a footballing charlatan. 

How many seasons do you think he set you back?

[Charlie Wayman]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Not sure why I wrote small. I meant inexperienced. 

Retractions need careful timing

[BranfootsLoveChild]

Apparently Gerard is the 4-1 favourite to be our new manager.....🤐

[BranfootsLoveChild]

33 minutes ago, BranfootsLoveChild said:

Apparently Gerard is the 4-1 favourite to be our new manager.....🤐

Sorry, that's what I heard on the radio, just found this

Ralph Hasenhuttl 6/1

Nuno Espirito Santo 10/1

Rafa Benitez 10/1

Not sure why the 2 boxes are on my post 😅

 

 

Edited 12 February, 2023 by BranfootsLoveChild
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[saintant]

I know he's gone but I'm still scratching my head and trying to come to terms with how we managed to lose that game. How did we allow ten men to dominate us and cause such panic? If you didn't know you'd have thought we were the team down to ten men. If ever anything demonstrated how out of his depth tactically Mad Nate was it was the last hour of this game.

[S-Clarke]

2 minutes ago, saintant said:

I know he's gone but I'm still scratching my head and trying to come to terms with how we managed to lose that game. How did we allow ten men to dominate us and cause such panic? If you didn't know you'd have thought we were the team down to ten men. If ever anything demonstrated how out of his depth tactically Mad Nate was it was the last hour of this game.

They showed the second half stats on MOTD last night, with 10 men Wolves had more touches in our box, more possession and more forward passes. They outnumbered us on several attacking moves, and for a team with one less outfield player, that is shambolic of the highest order.

[Shroppie]

Just (against my better judgement) watched MOTD.  Two goals that shouldn't have happened. Two JWP free kicks wasted. But it has to be on Jones who totally failed to respond to Wolves making changes. Except by taking off both full backs. He looks a terrified, nervous wreck on the touchline. Exactly what neither the team nor the fans want. Compare with Wolves manager: calmly watching amd planning.

[S-Clarke]

3 minutes ago, Shroppie said:

Just (against my better judgement) watched MOTD.  Two goals that shouldn't have happened. Two JWP free kicks wasted. But it has to be on Jones who totally failed to respond to Wolves making changes. Except by taking off both full backs. He looks a terrified, nervous wreck on the touchline. Exactly what neither the team nor the fans want. Compare with Wolves manager: calmly watching amd planning.

The wolves changes happened at HT, which is where the game was won.

They reorganised the side and kept their width, even with 10 men. Their manager made a bold change tactically which enabled them to control the midfield and still provide a threat through Traore. 

We did what we usually do - go out in the second half and do more of the same, ignorant to the fact that the opposing manager has changed it so we won't be able to do the same.

Then when we did make changes, it became an utter rabble of disorganised chaos. I had no idea what we were playing at the end, I doubt the players did either.

[saintant]

10 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

The wolves changes happened at HT, which is where the game was won.

They reorganised the side and kept their width, even with 10 men. Their manager made a bold change tactically which enabled them to control the midfield and still provide a threat through Traore. 

We did what we usually do - go out in the second half and do more of the same, ignorant to the fact that the opposing manager has changed it so we won't be able to do the same.

Then when we did make changes, it became an utter rabble of disorganised chaos. I had no idea what we were playing at the end, I doubt the players did either.

The time for us to make changes was the moment they were reduced to ten men. If you were setting up to play ten men you wouldn't use the same tactics as against eleven. Jones should have made a sub straight away, switched to a back four and had two wingers hugging the touchlines. We should have been the side dictating the game. 

[derry]

6 minutes ago, saintant said:

The time for us to make changes was the moment they were reduced to ten men. If you were setting up to play ten men you wouldn't use the same tactics as against eleven. Jones should have made a sub straight away, switched to a back four and had two wingers hugging the touchlines. We should have been the side dictating the game. 

Precisely. It just goes to show what a load of bollocks all the coaching badges required are. I've got coaching badges and thought they were a load of irrelevances when it came to managing a team. The most important thing in any managers armoury is the ability to quickly assess players and put them together with others to create an effective team. Picking a favourite shape and trying to fit in often unsuitable players just provides what we have been exposed to with Nathan Jones. Now bring in someone who can put our best team out every week. The ability to apply common sense and put a team together is the only criteria. Forget all the academic bollocks. 

[S-Clarke]

Just now, derry said:

 I've got coaching badges 

That puts you at the top of the list for any potential new addition to the backroom staff Derry.

Give Rasmus a call, given he appointed the previous coaches without badges then you should be a shoe in!

[derry]

19 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

That puts you at the top of the list for any potential new addition to the backroom staff Derry.

Give Rasmus a call, given he appointed the previous coaches without badges then you should be a shoe in!

That ship has long sailed. I thought that Premier managers had to possess the highest EUFA coaching qualifications or they couldn't take the job. Personally give me the practical common sense manager that can see the big picture not the theoretical bollocks. They sadly are few. The systems brainwashing has a lot to answer for. 

[saintant]

4 minutes ago, derry said:

That ship has long sailed. I thought that Premier managers had to possess the highest EUFA coaching qualifications or they couldn't take the job. Personally give me the practical common sense manager that can see the big picture not the theoretical bollocks. They sadly are few. The systems brainwashing has a lot to answer for. 

Also common sense when appointing a new manager rather than relying on an algorithm that spews out names such as Nathan Jones. Hope lessons have been learned but I doubt it.

[Chez]

2 hours ago, saintant said:

I know he's gone but I'm still scratching my head and trying to come to terms with how we managed to lose that game. How did we allow ten men to dominate us and cause such panic? If you didn't know you'd have thought we were the team down to ten men. If ever anything demonstrated how out of his depth tactically Mad Nate was it was the last hour of this game.

Wolves went 4-2-3 in the second half and our central midfield were completely outplayed by Neves (who is a gem of a player) et al. People can moan about Jones all day, but JWP, Alcaraz and Lavia failed to get hold of the game and run it. They may have ability, there may be much worse players in our squad, but our midfielder went completely missing.  I'd add to that, that the individual talent in the Wolves side exceeds our own. They have some very good technical players. We hussled and harried and earned our lead, but when we got tired, their quality had the space it needed to hurt us. We just don't have enough quality of our own and our tactics/shape/system isn't good enough to hide our inadequacies. We've been relegation fodder all season. Both managers haven't helped one iota, but the squad isn't a good one.

 

[saintant]

1 hour ago, Chez said:

Wolves went 4-2-3 in the second half and our central midfield were completely outplayed by Neves (who is a gem of a player) et al. People can moan about Jones all day, but JWP, Alcaraz and Lavia failed to get hold of the game and run it. They may have ability, there may be much worse players in our squad, but our midfielder went completely missing.  I'd add to that, that the individual talent in the Wolves side exceeds our own. They have some very good technical players. We hussled and harried and earned our lead, but when we got tired, their quality had the space it needed to hurt us. We just don't have enough quality of our own and our tactics/shape/system isn't good enough to hide our inadequacies. We've been relegation fodder all season. Both managers haven't helped one iota, but the squad isn't a good one.

 

So you'd advocate a coach should set up the same way whether playing against eleven men or ten. Whatever Wolves did at half time we should have already changed from five at the back when Lemina was sent off. Not saying our players don't have to take some responsibility but this defeat was largely down to the inadequacies of Jones.

[Chez]

1 hour ago, saintant said:

 Not saying our players don't have to take some responsibility but this defeat was largely down to the inadequacies of Jones.

I think our difference in opinion relates only to the amount of blame the players should carry. I think more than they are getting, but I guess the focus is always going to be on Jones this weekend.

Let's see how they do next weekend. Jones can't be blamed, so this `good squad' won't be hamstrung and they will show us all what they can do.

 

 

 

 

[Cabrone]

Great result yesterday, finally convinced the board to get rid of the charlatan that they hired in the first place.

Still far from confident we'll escape but at least we aren't 100% nailed on as we were with Jones in charge.

[rallyboy]

Having only just been brave enough to watch MotD I was a bit surprised to see the blatant foul in the build-up to their winner.

I knew we had two players collide but I didn't realise it was because there was a two-handed push in the back, I just assumed they were idiots.

It's too depressing ploughing through every comment so apologies if it's already been mentioned.