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28 minutes ago, Smirking_Saint said:

I played in a Quarter Finak todag so fortunately missed the game…. Am I seeing this right… he dropped DCC completely and played AMN at CB ?!

Yep. DCC, ABK and Orsic were left out entirely. Not even on the bench.

And after they went down to 10 we persisted with 3 CBs. Utterly clueless.

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33 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said:

Shambles of an opinion christ are you seriously that bothered by my thoughts on Powell? 

nah, I've got more important things to worry about like the expiry date of a yogurt in the fridge. 

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2 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

Long way to go, but imagine they win and our player, Jack Stephens, helps them go 5 points clear of us at the bottom of the league.

What a mess this season has been on so many different fronts. Reminds me of the Fitz Hall to Palace charade.

I’d forgotten about Jack Stephens. Maybe we’ll recall him now and be saved from relegation. 

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Just now, Give it to Ron said:

Actually I have thought of a worse one Calum Davenport he would give Bednarek and your mate Powell a close fight for worst. 

Nilsson, Lancashire, Bennet, Chris Makin...we've had some terrible defenders that you perhaps missed. 

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Just back from the game and I’m struggling to think of a worse second half performance in all my years watching Saints (plenty of contenders to be fair).

For all the talk of ‘aggressive, front-foot football’ (whatever tf that means, doesn’t everyone try to play that?), we sat back and were under pressure from 10 men for nearly all the half. 
 

Special mentions:

- We have probably the world’s premier free kick specialist with two presentable opportunities neither of which he hit at goal. Instead some nonsense off the training ground which messed them up completely. If it aint broke…

- When at our best (long time ago) we had flying full-backs as our key attacking outlets and neither Bree nor Perraud are Prem quality. We sorely miss Liva and KWP.

- The game seemed to pass JWP by and I thought he looked a little lost in his no.10 position

- sorry to the haters but Maitland-Niles looked half-decent. Unexpected.

- Lavia is a class player and needed better support (see JWP comment above)

- love our new winger, the new Mane with similar lack of end product for now, but the boy has some skills and real pace

- caleta-carr must have had a serious fall out not to get in that team ahead of bednarek

- I defy anyone to tell me what shape we were playing when the sub blitz happened, it honestly felt like a kids chase the ball game

- the big man won plenty of headers but we barely got on any of the knock downs

- we just looked so disorganised and tactically naive

- on a positive note my pre-match pint in town was a delight

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Chez said:

Nilsson, Lancashire, Bennet, Chris Makin...we've had some terrible defenders that you perhaps missed. 

Phil Ifil was fun.

Sh*t for us on loan, then had the pleasure of watching him play against our kids for Kettering Town in one of their last games at their old stadium Rockingham Road in 2011. What a fall.

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3 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

Long way to go, but imagine they win and our player, Jack Stephens, helps them go 5 points clear of us at the bottom of the league.

What a mess this season has been on so many different fronts. Reminds me of the Fitz Hall to Palace charade.

It's similar in that despite what some divs said at the time, Fitz Hall going to Palace had no impact whatsoever on us going down. Especially as Palace got relegated along side us.

By the same token, with DCC, ABK and Salisu in the squad we have zero need for Jack Stephens. 

Bournemouth, like Palace and wonderful Fitz Hall, will also be relegated this season with wonderful Jack Stephens.

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8 minutes ago, Colinjb said:

Phil Ifil was fun.

Sh*t for us on loan, then had the pleasure of watching him play against our kids for Kettering Town in one of their last game at their old stadium Rockingham Road in 2011. What a fall.

and perhaps worst of them all, Stephen O'Halloran, all be it he only played once, but that was more than enough.

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Just now, Chez said:

and perhaps worst of them all, Stephen O'Halloran, all be it he only played once, but that was more than enough.

That was a proper PR exercise, he was signed in the build up to the first ever U21 International at St Mary's - England v ROI. 

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33 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

I’m stunned that we allowed the 10 men of struggling Wolves to dominate the ball for over an hour. How was that allowed to happen?

Hoofball requires immediately lumping possession away as soon as possible so we can fight over the scraps, with aggression and front-footedness.

It's the future, I hear. All the best managers in Europe are playing it.

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Imagine a team gives you a one nil lead, a one man advantage and allows themselves only one hour to try to get back into the game and you still manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. You'd have to be some kind of tactical numbskull to fuck that up.

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Played well for a hour today. Then absolutely shit the bed with our subs which allowed Wolves to win the game. Considering they had ten men it really is unforgivable to lose that and it would be ridiculous if he survives a moment longer. Really he should have gone last week but he simply has to go this week or I'll start questioning sport republics sanity. 

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4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Played well for a hour today. Then absolutely shit the bed with our subs which allowed Wolves to win the game. Considering they had ten men it really is unforgivable to lose that and it would be ridiculous if he survives a moment longer. Really he should have gone last week but he simply has to go this week or I'll start questioning sport republics sanity. 

You mean you haven't already reached the stage of questioning SR's sanity?

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1 minute ago, Sicily said:

How did my boy Charly? I see he scored 🥰

Took his goal really well, clean strike. Still getting used to the pace of the Premier League but obviously has the class. Shame he’ll only be with us for half a season, far too good for the Championship. 

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5 minutes ago, saintant said:

You mean you haven't already reached the stage of questioning SR's sanity?

I could understand the logic of wanting to see what Jones could do with the new signings even if I disagree with it. They've now seen that and he's not up to it. I can't see any further excuse. I'd expect him to be gone tomorrow or Monday. 

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1 hour ago, jasonbenali said:

 

- I defy anyone to tell me what shape we were playing when the sub blitz happened, it honestly felt like a kids chase the ball game

 

I noticed that too. Utterly ludicrous, it's like he made the subs and just said, "find a position and figure it out". Total free for all. 

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4 hours ago, saintant said:

Jones should have switched our tactics. At one nil up against ten men we don't need five at the back we need two quick wingers hugging the touchline and our midfield flooding forward to support our attacks with numbers. Wolves would have tired and been too busy firefighting to get into our box much. It's on the manager.

All most supporters wanted today from Jones was to pick the best players and play a decent formation.   He did not!   Then to bemoan having to play against a side 1-0 down and a man short, without altering our set up to take advantage of it has taken his ineptitude to a new level.

I offered the opinion a week or so ago that if we picked up a win or two it would be in spite of Jones management, not because of it - Old Nick thought that was rubbish - surely it couldn't be questioned now.  In fact, Jones conjured a loss by not changing formation in time and not exploiting the advantage we were handed.   The skills of Sulemana and Lavia not enough to get us over the line.

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6 minutes ago, southamptonfc said:

Pretty sure that when we started to sit back and invite pressure in the 2nd half, Ralph would've made a positive change to show the team that he wanted the to play in Wolves half, not ours.

Yes because if there was one thing Ralph excelled at it was game changing substitutions. 

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Today was the first game all season I haven’t woken up in the middle of the night to watch, I waited until I woke up this morning.

 

best decision I have ever made (well actually not watching at all would’ve been better).

 

such an odd structure, Croatians banished and the biggest thing for me, we have the best free kick taker in the world, he has 2 chances to take a free kick and he does neither, surely that has been imposed upon him?

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5 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

DCC clearly has a massive problem with his feet, which is why he isn't playing - no front foot.

 

5 hours ago, OttawaSaint said:

Should have been game over, or at the very least been that Wolves would have to do something really special to get anything. 

Wolves were shit, but as we've seen all season, we have hidden levels of shitness that we can call on at any time. 

Madness he’s not playing great player and what the hell did Orsic come here for.

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1 hour ago, southamptonfc said:

Pretty sure that when we started to sit back and invite pressure in the 2nd half, Ralph would've made a positive change to show the team that he wanted the to play in Wolves half, not ours.

Hmm, not sure about that...  I was a Ralph supporter for the majority of his time here but one thing I reckon often let him down was the timing of his substitutes

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2 hours ago, BranfootsLoveChild said:

I want Jones to go now. But  realistically who is going to take over? I will take a miracle for any manager to keep us in the Premier League. Sports Republic havn't got a clue, you can throw money at however many players you want but if the manager can't actually manage them then what's the point!

It doesn’t matter at all who takes over the Manager we have is not good enough and any other strategy at all will not make things worse. 
Jones must go, however whoever has kept him here until now and employed him in the first place must go too…

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1 hour ago, Saint_clark said:

I wasn't blaming him. 

Just pointing out he did nothing positive all game, yet again.

Postiive??!!  What was he meant to do??  ... dribble the ball the length of the pitch & stick one in the top corner??

 

The only thing he did all game was to pick the ball out the back of the net twice which he could nothing about either!!

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5 minutes ago, warsash saint said:

Postiive??!!  What was he meant to do??  ... dribble the ball the length of the pitch & stick one in the top corner??

 

The only thing he did all game was to pick the ball out the back of the net twice which he could nothing about either!!

He could, at some point in the season, make a save. One that he's not expected to make. Like all good keepers do. 

It's not much to ask of a premier league first choice goalkeeper.

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This weakness all goes back to our defensive tactics and quality at the back. How many times to we see our defenders having to dive in because of weak defence positioning. It always looks like a last ditch throwing themselves at it. This is then compounded by not having the skill at this level. Keeper is 3 years off being a prem keeper if he develops well. Bednarek proven not to have the quality. Salisu not been coached raw and has brain farts Lyanco chicken with his head cut off. Put that lot together and you really have a clusterfuck. Not surprising we need to score 2+ goals every time 

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Went to the game... Still not sure what I watched has sunk in. I thought I'd take time to calm it down, rather than let it out whilst boiling over. However, I think I've been on a solid simmer since.

The first 45 minutes were ideal, even prior to Lemina's red... However, that back line he put out there today, be it a two, three, four, five or six... Whatever the f*** that was meant to be, was absolutely suicidal. At the end of the day, we've given Wolves three sniffs at goal, we conceded from two and they probably should've done better for the third.

How he can look at us and think we are a stronger, "more aggressive" defensive unit with Jan f******* Bednarek in the middle of it, is beyond words. How he can then think it logical to throw AMN into that back line, is just a testament as to what a shocking situation we're in. AMN didn't do anything particularly wrong, and in fact, next to Bednarek, he looked okay... But it's little wonder the few sniffs they got resulted how they did. It was an utter madness.

We were in total control of the game, stemming from a fierce high press and it was working perfectly, but there were warning signs there from the start as every time Wolves got the ball forward, they were cutting through us with ease and we were especially susceptible down their right wing, which on paper looked the stronger side of our back line. Perraud done well coming forward today, but between he and Sali they never looked comfortable.

One moment they managed to create a half(ish) chance with a ball over the top to absolutely nobody, Bednarek was nearside to the ball and his closest man was a good 12-15ft the other side of him, and he STILL managed to get beaten to the ball. 

Quite what happened around the 60 minute mark, beyond me. It looked to me like we were screaming out for fresh legs, but they just didn't come. I don't think it was that that cost us though, as it very much felt like a desired change in impetus, where we looked to sit back on it. Lethal at just 1-0 with so long to go and how edgy we'd looked at the back. You could feel the shift in momentum and thirty seconds before they scored, I said to my mate "you can feel it coming here".

Their equaliser summed us up entirely though. It is almost like we actively try and give goals away. We couldn't clear our line, heads were all over the show, Bazunu was lost at sea and didn't know whether to come or run away but definitely decided he wasn't going to defend his line and then Bednarek done a Bednarek and managed to somehow shepherd the ball into the net, which looked harder to do than keep it out. I swear there is either water balloon where that twats brain should be.

Onuachu was a clumsy oaf all afternoon, but he was at least a handful and caused problems, which opened it up for Sulemana who is an outstanding talent. That lad just made me smile every time he got the ball.

The attacking impetus was instantly nullified when Che came on or Onuachu and you could almost see the Wolves back line relax and take control. We done the square root of f*** all from then on, which has been the story of our season.

Talking to a few different Wolves fans after, none of them could believe what they'd seen and were even asking us how we've managed to throw it away. This is a team who haven't been able to score for toffee, and yet we've allowed them to run the bulk of the second half with ten men and inexcusably turn it around. Quite a remarkable achievement and, without a shadow of doubt, goes down as one of our single worst results in my living memory as a Southampton fan.

Rasmus said during the fans forum that they will stand by him until they don't believe any longer. If we were long done believing already, I can't possibly fathom how they can after that. A loss there would've been, you'd think, the icing on the sh*t cake, but the manner of which is was done just compounds the utter misery.

The question of who replaces him is irrelevant at this stage. The damage done is so bad that, realistically, we are done already and the candidates who we could've attracted, we will no longer be able to. The remainder of the season for me is about damage limitation and try and put ourselves in the best possible position for next year. The sooner we have someone at the helm who can give us chance in the Championship, the better, but many Saints fans are kidding themselves as to who we'll still have at our disposal then. We'll have a shell of a team remaining and it'll be one hell of a rebuild job.

We are in a dire situation... and this is now, unfortunately, just the beginning of an extremely long and winding uphill road.

Sport Republic have an awful lot to answer for. 

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16 hours ago, coalman said:

I can see him trying hard and getting sent off. Then us scraping the new dawn win against ten men.

We couldn't even fucking do this. Jonesball is about inviting pressure  and giving away possession like a Sunday League team.

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Imagine being given one game to save your job, your cheerleader on the board requesting that his boy be given ‘one more chance’ and it’s grated. Then imagine that the game is against an underperforming Wolves side at home and you are 1-0 up against ten men with an hour to go. Their best player in recent weeks off the park and your new forward signing on fire. Imagine what it takes to blow that in terms of utter incompetence and lack of ability. 

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23 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

Imagine being given one game to save your job, your cheerleader on the board requesting that his boy be given ‘one more chance’ and it’s grated. Then imagine that the game is against an underperforming Wolves side at home and you are 1-0 up against ten men with an hour to go. Their best player in recent weeks off the park and your new forward signing on fire. Imagine what it takes to blow that in terms of utter incompetence and lack of ability. 

When you put it like that we should have all seen it coming and put a load of cash on Wolves to win at half time 

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1 minute ago, JRM said:

When you put it like that we should have all seen it coming and put a load of cash on Wolves to win at half time 

Memory may be playing tricks on me but don’t wolves always turn us over when we take the lead?

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26 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

Imagine being given one game to save your job, your cheerleader on the board requesting that his boy be given ‘one more chance’ and it’s granted. Then imagine that the game is against an underperforming Wolves side at home and you are 1-0 up against ten men with an hour to go. Their best player in recent weeks off the park and your new forward signing on fire. Imagine what it takes to blow that in terms of utter incompetence and lack of ability. 

 

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