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Dusic

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Personally I think our best CB is Salisu when he is settled and concentrated.

ABK probably second, has great raw materials but definitely not been the same since the WC break and obviously struggled with injuries.

Bednarek and DCC probably on a similar level and are obviously both more experienced, particularly Bednarek in PL terms.

Lyanco just woeful. I can understand why Jones would play any combination of the others but now we have Bree, and soon Big Paul for helping with set plays, Lyanco wouldn't make the bench for me.

Unfortunately none of them are good on the ball which IMO is one of the biggest reasons we struggle in a back 3. All are better defending the box rather than out wide and Salisu and Bednarek especially look so uncomfortable passing out from the back, whilst Lyanco is just too careless with his passing.

Until ABK gets back to his early season form its Salisu plus Bednarek or DCC for me. 

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ABK is difficult atm, as looks like his head has gone walkabout since Ralph has gone.  But I’d probably go for the below, possibly swap Sali and DCC…if ABK can reproduce his early season form under Ralph, he probably goes to the top. Big gap between top 3 and bottom 2 IMO though. 

1. Salisu
2. DCC
3. ABK
4. Bednarek
5. Lyanco 

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46 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Personally I think our best CB is Salisu when he is settled and concentrated.

ABK probably second, has great raw materials but definitely not been the same since the WC break and obviously struggled with injuries.

Bednarek and DCC probably on a similar level and are obviously both more experienced, particularly Bednarek in PL terms.

Lyanco just woeful. I can understand why Jones would play any combination of the others but now we have Bree, and soon Big Paul for helping with set plays, Lyanco wouldn't make the bench for me.

Unfortunately none of them are good on the ball which IMO is one of the biggest reasons we struggle in a back 3. All are better defending the box rather than out wide and Salisu and Bednarek especially look so uncomfortable passing out from the back, whilst Lyanco is just too careless with his passing.

Until ABK gets back to his early season form its Salisu plus Bednarek or DCC for me. 

I would have DCC ahead of Janny B. At least DCC makes a point of trying to play forward and between the lines. Janny B takes zero risk on the ball and about 75% of his passes are sidewards to the full backs or back to the keeper, even under little pressure. His forward thinking is a 5 yard ball to Lavia or Diallo just in front of him. Its infuriating to watch but maybe thats what Jones wants 🤦🏽‍♂️

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My spurs supporting brother in law has watched a handful of saints games and he watched the Newcastle game last week. He singled out Salisu as being particularly poor. I just found it interesting with everyone saying he is our best defender if neutrals are recognising him as poor. I know it's only one game but he isn't the commanding presence he was shortly after he first started for us. 

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9 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

My spurs supporting brother in law has watched a handful of saints games and he watched the Newcastle game last week. He singled out Salisu as being particularly poor. I just found it interesting with everyone saying he is our best defender if neutrals are recognising him as poor. I know it's only one game but he isn't the commanding presence he was shortly after he first started for us. 

I agree, he certainly hasn't improved. He's still a good defender though. The problem is he is so poor on the ball. That's why I think he works quite well next to DCC as he is much more composed. If you play Lyanco, Salisu and Bednarek then you're just giving the ball away for fun, as all 3 cannot pass for toffee.

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3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

My spurs supporting brother in law has watched a handful of saints games and he watched the Newcastle game last week. He singled out Salisu as being particularly poor. I just found it interesting with everyone saying he is our best defender if neutrals are recognising him as poor. I know it's only one game but he isn't the commanding presence he was shortly after he first started for us. 

Your mate is correct. He's been average for a while. I suspect it's confidence. He's still young, and has been played with a variety of partners, systems, and in different positions. He also has a poor keeper behind him, and sometimes little protection in front of him. Not easy for the lad. 

On the wider CB issue, ABK has been injured, Lyanco is Lyanco, and DCC seems to be inconsistent/not in favour. I can therefore see why Bednarek came back, and as it happened, he was our CB's against a very good Newcastle team. 

I can alao see why he plays a back 3, or a 4 with a CB at full back. We need height defending set pieces, and our full backs don't give us that. There's also the possible argument that of you only have 2 half decent CB's, play 3 if them to compensate - reasonable theory, but always a terrible execution by us. 

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5 minutes ago, egg said:

Your mate is correct. He's been average for a while. I suspect it's confidence. He's still young, and has been played with a variety of partners, systems, and in different positions. He also has a poor keeper behind him, and sometimes little protection in front of him. Not easy for the lad. 

On the wider CB issue, ABK has been injured, Lyanco is Lyanco, and DCC seems to be inconsistent/not in favour. I can therefore see why Bednarek came back, and as it happened, he was our CB's against a very good Newcastle team. 

I can alao see why he plays a back 3, or a 4 with a CB at full back. We need height defending set pieces, and our full backs don't give us that. There's also the possible argument that of you only have 2 half decent CB's, play 3 if them to compensate - reasonable theory, but always a terrible execution by us. 

Not often I disagree with you but I still see Salisu as a top tier CB in the Prem and comfortably our best CB alongside ABK and Caleta-Car who apart from a below par game against Newcastle, has been very impressive.    If the argument is that ABK hasn't had enough Football post World Cup, Bednarek hardly played while he was at Villa and was just a fair performer the other night v Newcastle.   We've seen time and again the limitations of Bednarek and Lyanco.   There's 18 games to save a place in the Prem, and Salisu, ABK and DCC are clearly better players than the two likely to line up today.    All three have sufficient height to defend set pieces and while I'd prefer to see us play two specialist full backs with KWP at RB, Salisu is a good fill in at LB if that change is needed.

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13 minutes ago, egg said:

Your mate is correct. He's been average for a while. I suspect it's confidence. He's still young, and has been played with a variety of partners, systems, and in different positions. He also has a poor keeper behind him, and sometimes little protection in front of him. Not easy for the lad. 

On the wider CB issue, ABK has been injured, Lyanco is Lyanco, and DCC seems to be inconsistent/not in favour. I can therefore see why Bednarek came back, and as it happened, he was our CB's against a very good Newcastle team. 

I can alao see why he plays a back 3, or a 4 with a CB at full back. We need height defending set pieces, and our full backs don't give us that. There's also the possible argument that of you only have 2 half decent CB's, play 3 if them to compensate - reasonable theory, but always a terrible execution by us. 

The thing is though if we are going to concede in every game anyway, why detract from the rest of the team and our chances to score by playing 5 at the back? (I'm ignoring here the mind-blowing comments about us always scoring in this formation as Steve Grant has already exposed that as a lie.)

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18 minutes ago, austsaint said:

Not often I disagree with you but I still see Salisu as a top tier CB in the Prem and comfortably our best CB alongside ABK and Caleta-Car who apart from a below par game against Newcastle, has been very impressive.    If the argument is that ABK hasn't had enough Football post World Cup, Bednarek hardly played while he was at Villa and was just a fair performer the other night v Newcastle.   We've seen time and again the limitations of Bednarek and Lyanco.   There's 18 games to save a place in the Prem, and Salisu, ABK and DCC are clearly better players than the two likely to line up today.    All three have sufficient height to defend set pieces and while I'd prefer to see us play two specialist full backs with KWP at RB, Salisu is a good fill in at LB if that change is needed.

Apologies if I wasn't clear. Salisu is a very good CB, it's more that I don't think he's been particularly good for a while, with my theory being a confidence issue.

I'm not sure who our best 2 are - probably ABK and DCC imo. If we had to have a CB at full back (I personally think that we do) I'd prefer Salisu at left back than Lyanco at right back. The height issue probably goes when Onachu can play - him defending corners means we can play full backs at full back. That may mean no place for Salisu though, but on the flip side, hopefully no place for Lyanco! 

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We'll be cashing in on Salisu come the summer anyways as he wont be signing a new deal at this stage.

Stay up and we bring in a quality CB to compete with ABK and DCC (if he hasnt had enough of Jones by that stage). Go down and we'll be likely be losing Salisu, ABK and possibly DCC too. Can already see the club statement welcoming 'Jacky S' back to the club 😂

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3 minutes ago, egg said:

Apologies if I wasn't clear. Salisu is a very good CB, it's more that I don't think he's been particularly good for a while, with my theory being a confidence issue.

I'm not sure who our best 2 are - probably ABK and DCC imo. If we had to have a CB at full back (I personally think that we do) I'd prefer Salisu at left back than Lyanco at right back. The height issue probably goes when Onachu can play - him defending corners means we can play full backs at full back. That may mean no place for Salisu though, but on the flip side, hopefully no place for Salisu! 

Yep, pretty much agree.   I assume you mean hopefully no place for Lyanco.   Thing is if Jones can settle on Salisu, ABK and DCC as our best CBs - there will be plenty of Football for each of them in the 18 games left - especially if Perraud isn't doing well at LB and the Salisu option is taken up.    You could well be right about Salisu's confidence - there has been a lot of change around him since Jones came through the door.

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Hard to rank them

Technically Early season abk looked best. However given his injuries he’s not there currently.

salisu has error in him but has recovery pace which is important

DCC looks the dominant aerial/leader so think he has place in a pairing unless you are playing a team with lightning pace.

Lyanco is nowhere near as bad as some here would make out. 

 

No fan of  bednarek.

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9 hours ago, woodsaint1 said:

I would have DCC ahead of Janny B. At least DCC makes a point of trying to play forward and between the lines. Janny B takes zero risk on the ball and about 75% of his passes are sidewards to the full backs or back to the keeper, even under little pressure. His forward thinking is a 5 yard ball to Lavia or Diallo just in front of him. Its infuriating to watch but maybe thats what Jones wants 🤦🏽‍♂️

Isn't passing 5 yards to Lavia or JWP (not Diallo) a good thing? There aren't many good ball playing CB out there. I would much rather they did that than lose the ball in a dangerous position.

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I think we all went into this season believing we'd got a decent array of CB's, and I still think we do have that. It just needs coaching, the tools are there.

We've got physicality, pace, power, experience littered throughout that back line. If Fulham can pull up trees with Issa Diop, Shane Duffy and Tim Ream then there is no reason why we cannot get 'life' out of ABK/Salisu/DCC/Bednarek (discounting Lyanco as he's not a footballer).

Not discrediting the teams above us, but even Brentford are doing well with Mattias Jorgensen and Ben Mee at the back - there's no way they are better than what we have in raw ability.

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I now think of ABK/MS/DCC as equal - pick best 2 depending on form/fitness. No problem with JB but he is certainly back-up. Lyanco I think has a role when we need a spark - but play him in literally any position other than CB, where his sphere of chaos is just not welcome IMHO.

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