Duje Caleta-Car - Official: Loan to Lyon

[hypochondriac]

Why does he seemingly get a lot less opportunities than other players we have signed? Even under Ralph he didn't get much. He's always seemed pretty good I've thought when he's played and I think he deserves more of an extended run in the team considering how poor our backline have been this year. He's certainly a better option at the back than Lyanco and I'm assuming the fact he's playing today means that he won't be starting tomorrow. 

[badgerx16]

Jones hasn't got a clue. I wonder if Bednarek was recalled to make it easier to not pick DCC.

[Saint Garrett]

Jones is shocking. DCC playing for the B team, bloke should be starting tomorrow, should have played Tuesday.

Idiot. 

[Dman]

A subtle dig? A reason why some are being ‘dealt with’ in the U23’s…?

[trousers]

4 minutes ago, Dman said:

A subtle dig? A reason why some are being ‘dealt with’ in the U23’s…?

Yep, he's gotta be referring to DCC there?

Edited 3 February, 2023 by trousers

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 minute ago, trousers said:

He's gotta be referring to DCC there?

Fuck sake, the guy just screams lower league. You don't treat top class professional players like this. DCC is an experienced Croatian international

[trousers]

Assume this is all to do with Jones saying a few weeks ago that DCC should "concentrate more on being a defender than a footballer"? (Paraphrasing)

[badgerx16]

11 minutes ago, Dman said:

A subtle dig? A reason why some are being ‘dealt with’ in the U23’s…?

 

8 minutes ago, trousers said:

Yep, he's gotta be referring to DCC 

I wonder if DCC told Nate that he is out of his depth.

[Dman]

1 minute ago, trousers said:

Assume this is all to do with Jones saying a few weeks ago that DCC should "concentrate more on being a defender than a footballer"? (Paraphrasing)

Or maybe DCC wasn’t happy that he didn’t start Tuesday night, when 3 car crashes did. I don’t blame him, mid boggling. 

[trousers]

1 minute ago, Dman said:

Or maybe DCC wasn’t happy that he didn’t start Tuesday night, when 3 car crashes did. I don’t blame him, mid boggling. 

Aye. Could be a combination of factors I guess.

Edited 3 February, 2023 by trousers

[revolution saint]

Strange.  I'm probably in a minority but I don't think DCC has been all that great, especially considering all the hype and several windows of people clamouring for him.  Don't think he's awful but I was expecting a bit more out of him.

Having said that, he's better than Lyanco and Bednarek.  If anything it's Bednarek that needs match fitness and to get up to speed.

[Whitey Grandad]

11 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

 

I wonder if DCC told Nate that he is out of his depth.

If he didn't I will. 

[Stu Man Do]

Telling the bloke to be more of a “defender” when he’s a highly experienced International is embarrassing. All it’s meant is our CBs now just boot the ball long. 

[saintwbu]

43 minutes ago, Dman said:

A subtle dig? A reason why some are being ‘dealt with’ in the U23’s…?

Having listened to the quote in the interview itself, it doesn’t sound anything like it reads.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

Just now, saintwbu said:

Having listened to the quote in the interview itself, it doesn’t sound anything like it reads.

He has the mindset and mentality of a lower league manager. Which is exactly where we are heading with him in charge.

[Toadhall Saint]

3 minutes ago, saintwbu said:

Having listened to the quote in the interview itself, it doesn’t sound anything like it reads.

How did it sound then? With a wink and a boom boom at the end?

 

Edited 3 February, 2023 by Toadhall Saint

[Turkish]

How Lyanco starts ahead of him is mental

[saintwbu]

9 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

How did it sound then? With a wink and a boom boom at the end?

 

He was asked about having a bigger squad now with options and the difficulties of managing that, he responded with the above. It sounded a very generic, management answer, rather than a subtle dig at anyone.

[Dman]

4 minutes ago, saintwbu said:

He was asked about having a bigger squad now with options and the difficulties of managing that, he responded with the above. It sounded a very generic, management answer, rather than a subtle dig at anyone.

Fair enough, seems the comment was taken out of context then. 

[Saint Garrett]

Just done some digging...apparently the players were furious with Jones after Tuesday night, especially about his comments afterwards. Which probably explains how some have ended up in the B team. I've been told "everyone wants him gone" though not sure if thats a loose term of "everyone" or actually "everyone".

We shall see. Not a surprise.

 

[wild-saint]

42 minutes ago, Stu Man Do said:

Telling the bloke to be more of a “defender” when he’s a highly experienced International is embarrassing. All it’s meant is our CBs now just boot the ball long. 

Oh please. DCC was a pile of Dog shit right the way up to having a couple of decent games for NJ.

Now the NJ out bandwagon jumps on anything it can to justify there argument. To say DCC was the best defender in the club is just bollocks. He looks slow immobile with the touch of Mason greenwood. 

I agree he has looked better recently but there is clearly a reason why he was dropped midweek. He could be pissed that he was dropped, NJ may be pissed about the red card which was poor or it may be his general attitude. 

[trousers]

Just now, Saint Garrett said:

Just done some digging...apparently the players were furious with Jones after Tuesday night, especially about his comments afterwards. Which probably explains how some have ended up in the B team. I've been told "everyone wants him gone" though not sure if thats a loose term of "everyone" or actually "everyone".

We shall see. Not a surprise.

 

Cheers for the insight SG, although seems at odds with some recent posts on here from other people saying that the players were loving Jones' approach...? (I can't remember who posted that though and they could be connected to Jones I suppose)

[Lee On Solent Saint]

2 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

Just done some digging...apparently the players were furious with Jones after Tuesday night, especially about his comments afterwards. Which probably explains how some have ended up in the B team. I've been told "everyone wants him gone" though not sure if thats a loose term of "everyone" or actually "everyone".

We shall see. Not a surprise.

 

I thought the players were behind him, loved him apparently? 

[stevegrant]

3 minutes ago, wild-saint said:

Oh please. DCC was a pile of Dog shit right the way up to having a couple of decent games for NJ.

Now the NJ out bandwagon jumps on anything it can to justify there argument. To say DCC was the best defender in the club is just bollocks. He looks slow immobile with the touch of Mason greenwood. 

I agree he has looked better recently but there is clearly a reason why he was dropped midweek. He could be pissed that he was dropped, NJ may be pissed about the red card which was poor or it may be his general attitude. 

I'd have thought he'd have been delighted that DCC sacrificed himself for the good of the team by taking that booking. It was either "foul Saint-Maximin and take a second booking" or "Saint-Maximin is clean through on goal to make it 2-0 and effectively kill the tie". An absolute no-brainer of a decision.

[Saint Garrett]

4 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

I thought the players were behind him, loved him apparently? 

Not from what I've been told, but who knows. 

I know there was a big bust up the day before the Palace game, where Jones was basically told to scrap the back 5 by the players and other coaches.  the players thought it had happened with the City and Everton results playing a back 4, but back to sq 1 now it sounds. The players feel very let down by Jones.

[OldNick]

13 minutes ago, trousers said:

Cheers for the insight SG, although seems at odds with some recent posts on here from other people saying that the players were loving Jones' approach...? (I can't remember who posted that though and they could be connected to Jones I suppose)

Scott of the Northam posted a different version

[Yorkshire Saint]

7 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

Not from what I've been told, but who knows. 

I know there was a big bust up the day before the Palace game, where Jones was basically told to scrap the back 5 by the players and other coaches.  the players thought it had happened with the City and Everton results playing a back 4, but back to sq 1 now it sounds. The players feel very let down by Jones.

This feels like it could get messy. It will only support us going down  so I hope it is not true. Thankyou for the insight though Saint Garrett

[S-Clarke]

I think people are right in that DCC hasn't pulled up any tree's, but.........he's better than Lyanco, that's not even an impassioned opinion it's just pure common sense if you watch football.

How Lyanco starts ahead of him, a Croatian international experienced CB, is absolutley bonkers. 

I know a lot of fans liked Lyanco for his 'passion' and grit, but at the end of the day he cannot defend for shit and is way too rash for this level. It's like Jones default mode is to work with players not very good, but they make up for it in 'aggression and passion' (i.e., most of his Luton team).

This might look silly tomorrow and he actually starts, but it looks unlikely. I imagine Bree will also be one of the first names on every team sheet now.

Edited 3 February, 2023 by S-Clarke

[LGTL]

This was always going to happen. Some of these players are internationals (hard to believe at times I know) and they’re taking shit instructions off a lower league idiot. 

Edited 3 February, 2023 by LGTL

[AlexLaw76]

53 minutes ago, Turkish said:

How Lyanco starts ahead of him is mental

what about Janny B?

[John B]

4 minutes ago, LGTL said:

This was always going to happen. Some of these players are internationals (hard to believe at times I know) and they’re taking shit instructions off a lower league idiot. 

DCC maybe a knob got red carded in the last game and may have been told to calm down

[Saint In Cornwall]

He got subbed at half time today so maybe he has served his punishment.....

Edited 3 February, 2023 by Saint In Cornwall

[notnowcato]

51 minutes ago, wild-saint said:

Oh please. DCC was a pile of Dog shit right the way up to having a couple of decent games for NJ.

Now the NJ out bandwagon jumps on anything it can to justify there argument. To say DCC was the best defender in the club is just bollocks. He looks slow immobile with the touch of Mason greenwood. 

I agree he has looked better recently but there is clearly a reason why he was dropped midweek. He could be pissed that he was dropped, NJ may be pissed about the red card which was poor or it may be his general attitude. 

It's not whether he's the best defender in the club or not, it's how the fuck is he not considered to be better than Lyanco.  That's not being NJ out.

I think some of DCCs attribute are amongst the best in the club; positional sense, decision making, aerial battles and all round hard bastard.

[hypochondriac]

49 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I think people are right in that DCC hasn't pulled up any tree's, but.........he's better than Lyanco, that's not even an impassioned opinion it's just pure common sense if you watch football.

How Lyanco starts ahead of him, a Croatian international experienced CB, is absolutley bonkers. 

I know a lot of fans liked Lyanco for his 'passion' and grit, but at the end of the day he cannot defend for shit and is way too rash for this level. It's like Jones default mode is to work with players not very good, but they make up for it in 'aggression and passion' (i.e., most of his Luton team).

This might look silly tomorrow and he actually starts, but it looks unlikely. I imagine Bree will also be one of the first names on every team sheet now.

Yes that's my worry. He wants players of limited ability who scrap for things and are passionate. It's what lower league teams are good at but it makes you look silly in the prem and is never going to work. 

[ally_uk]

Our manager really is a bit of a wally.... 

I have tired to give him a chance but he has the persona of one of these coked up idiots wanting to fight everyone in a nightclub..... 

As for tactical ability and style of football..... 

Hoof it up top nonsense, 5 at the back bs...... 

Keep it simple Perraud on left 

KWP on right 

Kotchap and DCC or salisu at the back....

Why is he fielding crap players ?

I would be unhappy aswell and want this clown out...

[Give it to Ron]

1 hour ago, wild-saint said:

Oh please. DCC was a pile of Dog shit right the way up to having a couple of decent games for NJ.

Now the NJ out bandwagon jumps on anything it can to justify there argument. To say DCC was the best defender in the club is just bollocks. He looks slow immobile with the touch of Mason greenwood. 

I agree he has looked better recently but there is clearly a reason why he was dropped midweek. He could be pissed that he was dropped, NJ may be pissed about the red card which was poor or it may be his general attitude. 

What a crock of shite! You obviously dont know a good defender when you see one.

To say he was poor until recently is rubbish and suiting your poor Jones agenda .

Watch his positioning and number of clearances and interceptions he makes.

He was outdone by Isak but have a look at how many times Bednarek and Lyanco get done too.

Touch of Mason Greenwood give your head a wobble

[LiberalCommunist]

He's somewhere in between. But the Jones hate is using him as a tool.

I'm frankly sick of all this shit. Would have prefered to just get relegated with Ralph.

The fan base is so fractured now, there's no joy left to be had. Three points at the weekend would just seemingly postpone the next round of shit.

What a miserable end to a pretty impressive journey. 

 

Edited 3 February, 2023 by LiberalCommunist

[Toadhall Saint]

1 hour ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

I thought the players were behind him, loved him apparently? 

That’s what has been said. First time I’ve heard the contrary 

[Saint Garrett]

5 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

That’s what has been said. First time I’ve heard the contrary 

I know they were massively underwhelmed when he was appointed, and quite a few of them were complaining about being forced to play 5 at the back. Like I mentioned above, Supposedly there was a big bust up after the forest game and a bit of a truce that they would move forward with a back 4, but the players and coaches were absolutely furious with him after Tuesday night.

Edited 3 February, 2023 by Saint Garrett

[Yorkshire Saint]

10 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

I know they were massively underwhelmed when he was appointed, and quite a few of them were complaining about being forced to play 5 at the back. Like I mentioned above, Supposedly there was a big bust up after the forest game and a bit of a truce that they would move forward with a back 4, but the players and coaches were absolutely furious with him after Tuesday night.

What were they specifically furious about ? The 5 or something more ?

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

what about Janny B?

Who talks like that FFS?

[Turkish]

12 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

I know they were massively underwhelmed when he was appointed, and quite a few of them were complaining about being forced to play 5 at the back. Like I mentioned above, Supposedly there was a big bust up after the forest game and a bit of a truce that they would move forward with a back 4, but the players and coaches were absolutely furious with him after Tuesday night.

I’m not surprised when he finally wins a few games then he can have a case to say he knows what he’s doing. Until then he looks clueless trying everything until something works 

[Saint Garrett]

2 minutes ago, Yorkshire Saint said:

What were they specifically furious about ? The 5 or something more ?

Yeah - mainly tactics, I'm sure some were angry about the choice of players, but of course others benefit. The whole way they went about the game, massive missed opportunity for the players, most of which have never played at wembley.

[S-Clarke]

19 minutes ago, John B said:

DCC maybe a knob got red carded in the last game and may have been told to calm down

He took one for the team, it's not like he flew in on him and took his ankles off.  I'd say it was a team card, not an ill-disciplined one by any means.

If Jones is trying to make an example of an International CB, whilst he continues to play the erratic Lyanco, then it's a problem.

[Dman]

1 hour ago, John B said:

DCC maybe a knob got red carded in the last game and may have been told to calm down

Jesus. Tell me you know fuck all about football without saying you know fuck all about football. 

[Dman]

21 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

I know they were massively underwhelmed when he was appointed, and quite a few of them were complaining about being forced to play 5 at the back. Like I mentioned above, Supposedly there was a big bust up after the forest game and a bit of a truce that they would move forward with a back 4, but the players and coaches were absolutely furious with him after Tuesday night.

By coaches, I assume you mean Selles. The rest are his men. Who, if we’re being honest are just as under qualified as him. 
 

Grim reading if all this is true.

[Billy the Kidd]

57 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Yes that's my worry. He wants players of limited ability who scrap for things and are passionate. It's what lower league teams are good at but it makes you look silly in the prem and is never going to work. 

I usually agree with much you post, but seriously no manager wants players of limited ability - it is a ridiculous thing to say.

I do wonder if we dont win any of them next say 4 games if he will shortly be on his way though. Pressure is firmly on.

[John B]

47 minutes ago, Dman said:

Jesus. Tell me you know fuck all about football without saying you know fuck all about football. 

I have been watching football for over 60 years so I probably know more about than most

 

What was the point you were trying to make

[Maggie May]

3 hours ago, Saint Garrett said:

Just done some digging...apparently the players were furious with Jones after Tuesday night, especially about his comments afterwards. Which probably explains how some have ended up in the B team. I've been told "everyone wants him gone" though not sure if thats a loose term of "everyone" or actually "everyone".

We shall see. Not a surprise.

 

I’m no NJ fan but, if there’s a grain of truth in this, the players don’t really like anyone, do they?

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, Dman said:

By coaches, I assume you mean Selles. The rest are his men. Who, if we’re being honest are just as under qualified as him. 
 

Grim reading if all this is true.

Hasn’t one of them not even got a coaching badge?