pimpin4rizeal Posted 4 February, 2023 Share Posted 4 February, 2023 Been defending jones a lot on here, but can’t really excuse that team selection for the first half, sulemana looked good in flashes good touch fast looks capable of making things happen.. we definitely needed some one like him.. edozie. I’m starting to think needs a rest now. He’s a bit of lightweight and bar being quite a good dribbler doesn’t seem to grab games and create things, messed up a good chance to play bree down the flank.. I think at the moment Id honestly rather play A/A wide then edozie A/A is more rapid and incisive pretty good pressing/ needs to be him or Orsic as the other side man imo onuachu hmmm, hardly won anything in the air which was a bit disapointing for a guy of his size.. but to be fair he does look fast for his size and also had a pretty good touch, so hopefully can be a quite well rounded signing.. made little impact today though 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 5 February, 2023 Share Posted 5 February, 2023 6 hours ago, Chez said: Walcott is the Saintsweb boo boy. I wouldn't try and defend him too hard, you'll have a pile on on your hands. He came on, his pace almost lead to a goal. That's about it. Contrast the posts about him with those about Perraud, who gets a complete pass every week because he `gives us balance'. Here's what he did today. first half: crap cross, a sloppy pass that put us in trouble, a total miss kick sliced hoof that went backwards into our box almost allowing them score, dropped miles too deep and kept the left winger onside, lost a header dual, a horrible poor sliced/hacked clearance ten yards straight up in the air (because he hasn't got a right foot), a decent clearance/pass ten yards forward to Che, a decent corner/cross that was cleared by the first man, piss poor attempt to win a header from a long throw, although his shirt may have bene pulled to be fair. Two attempted clearances blocked, no time so not his fault. Turned his back and ducked under a cross. Pathetic, possibly bottled??? tackle on touchline with the ricochet going straight to their midfielder subsequently leading to their second goal. When they scored, he was still jogging back and barely reached our own box. Nice little turn inside. Over hit a long ball straight through to keeper. second half: completed a simple five yard pass, short pass that put Soulamana in trouble, no pressure on Mbuemo and then didn't track his run, outpaced Mbuemo to prevent counter attack, nice work, overhit a simple one-two with ball lost, very good half volley shot which was well saved, misplaced a simple pass, overlapped and decent cross, second chipped cross was behind striker, got too tight and winger turned him (opponent wasn't found, so he got away with it), simple short pass completed, doesn't track back, at all, for about 30 seconds, luckily the three or four battles between striker and CB were all won by us, marks no one at the free kick - stands at back with hand in the air for ten second asking for offside and makes no effort to get goal side and help out as Mbeumo almost scores, completes a simple five yard pass...and another. And we wonder why we are going down. The side is full of Championship quality players, led by a championship manager. And Perraud wasn't even the worst, Diallo was a disgrace today. If he was fined every time he gave the ball away, he'd owe the club money every week. What a horrible performance from us. Reminded me of the utter shit show at their place last season, under Ralph. All that money spent and we are just as bad, maybe worse. It's interesting that you haven't mentioned Elyounoussi - though you are quite right to call out the performances of Diallo and Perraud (was he really that bad?), the foundation for that debacle was the starting front four put out by Jones. Adams isolated playing the lone striker role; how many times have we seen that fail. If Armstrong had started in place of the serial disappointment Elyounoussi there would at least have been more pace and support for Adams. As it was we had the pace of Edozie on the right and three slow, un-athletic types filling the other three roles - predictably it led to no cohesive pressure or threat on the Brentford goal and no press or threat to their defence and midfield playing out from the back. I'd like to read other people's views but JWP isn't up to the 10 role or the permanent attacking midfield role - he just doesn't have the athleticism or pace/trickery with the ball at his feet. He needs to play the CM role with a player like Lavia, and at the opportune time, get forward, make runs into the box to use his technical skills. Let's be honest, Brentford were a far superior side, repeatedly slicing through the many gaps in midfield and defence. If not for Salisu, it would have been a more humiliating defeat. The new boy Sulemana looks a good one; Paul O. looked a little like a lumbering Peter Crouch but surely will get better. It's all been said about Jones. He must go - Ankersen and co have to act. There's a malignancy about Jones that is going to cripple the Club as long as he remains. Even if relegation is inevitable, the Manager must be sent on his way. Maybe the goodwill of supporters is not important to Ankersen, but if he did own his error and act immediately, it would be well received and galvanise the Club towards a better last 17 League games. Ideally a Benitez or Bielsa, but at this stage most would settle for Selles as a caretaker 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 5 February, 2023 Share Posted 5 February, 2023 Thought i would come into this thread 1st today to ease myself back into the pain. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coalman Posted 5 February, 2023 Share Posted 5 February, 2023 2 minutes ago, Convict Colony said: Thought i would come into this thread 1st today to ease myself back into the pain. Welcome back. It's just as awful as yesterday and the club hasn't sacked him yet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 5 February, 2023 Share Posted 5 February, 2023 My added opinion FWIW ! a) When he was appointed I was surprised ! b) When I saw his first interview I thought that he was an arrogant little twat ! c) When we started playing I gave him the benefit of the doubt on the basis that other arrogant twats (Mourinho, Clough etc..) had been successful ! d) As time has gone on I have come to the firm conclusion that he is an arrogant little twat ! e) After yesterday’s performance and result I now know that he is a total, complete and utter, talentless, arrogant little twat ! ARROGANT LITTLE TWAT 😊 10 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 5 February, 2023 Share Posted 5 February, 2023 Its like there is a competition we dont know about in the premier league for the coaches, like who can do the worst job. Klopp, Potter, Moyes, Jones. Look at villa they were just as shit when Emery came in and now up to 11th, i know their squad was better but for fucksake the manager is such a key component. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 5 February, 2023 Share Posted 5 February, 2023 Having woken up and realised we are shit its nice that there is some perspective about and it could be worse be you could be prince harry and everyone knows you porked a fatty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScandiSaint Posted 5 February, 2023 Share Posted 5 February, 2023 I think Edozie would actually benefit from a season of Championship football to toughen up a bit and get used to the physical side of the game a bit more. He clearly has talent but is just getting bullied on the pitch at the moment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokieinpeace Posted 5 February, 2023 Share Posted 5 February, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, S-Clarke said: I had a look on the Stoke forums a few weeks ago and I was amazed at how identical your views are to ours, he's doing exactly the same things here. Did he ever call out the Stoke fans for critising him out of interest, and did he refer to Stoke as 'they' when refering to the period before him..? Seems happy to just pass the buck for absolutley every element. No he didn’t that was the domain of Rowett our previous manager who also criticised one of the fans favourites in the same sentence. He was shown the door very quickly as the fans turned on him. Stoke fans were quite gentle with Mad Nathan at first as we were mainly drawing games. Next season we were firmly anchored at the bottom of championship with no wins in first 11 games after he had spent heavily in the summer window and the fans, like you, questioned his tactical and man management ability. He was always quick to blame others for his failures but the occasional success would see him standing by the bench beating his own chest with his fists as if taking the accolade. Quite a bizarre man and now he’s turned on your fans and publicly singled out players, there’s only going to be one outcome and hopefully, for you guys, that happens soon. But he will also be a winner financially as he gets yet another payoff on his contract. Edited 5 February, 2023 by Stokieinpeace 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 5 February, 2023 Share Posted 5 February, 2023 4 minutes ago, ScandiSaint said: I think Edozie would actually benefit from a season of Championship football to toughen up a bit and get used to the physical side of the game a bit more. He clearly has talent but is just getting bullied on the pitch at the moment. He can dribble, he has great confidence to go for things (and keep going for things), but often there just isn't the space and at best we get the foul. Physically he's very lightweight, but he doesn't have electric pace to make up for that. I lie watching him, he tries to make things happen, but the question `where is the end product?' is a fair one. He'll get his season int he championship soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 5 February, 2023 Share Posted 5 February, 2023 I actually dreamt that we won and I woke up happy. Bugger. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch01 Posted 5 February, 2023 Share Posted 5 February, 2023 Trying to interpret Jones' post-match comments. Wonder if it's to do with promises already made over playing time to get certain players to join. Wouldn't explain (what I think are bizarre) choices to keep playing Bednarek, Diallo, Elyonoussi but Edozie (though I think he has great potential) is hardly an aggressive player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 5 February, 2023 Share Posted 5 February, 2023 50 minutes ago, mitch01 said: Trying to interpret Jones' post-match comments. Wonder if it's to do with promises already made over playing time to get certain players to join. Wouldn't explain (what I think are bizarre) choices to keep playing Bednarek, Diallo, Elyonoussi but Edozie (though I think he has great potential) is hardly an aggressive player. it isn't. You are overthinking things. There is no obligation to play anyone. He picked those players because he thought that was his best team to win that game. His comments relate to playing four at the back, which some senior players prefer, and the tactics, such as hitting the target man early over a short passing game, again, which some senior players prefer. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 5 February, 2023 Share Posted 5 February, 2023 1 hour ago, ScandiSaint said: I think Edozie would actually benefit from a season of Championship football to toughen up a bit and get used to the physical side of the game a bit more. He clearly has talent but is just getting bullied on the pitch at the moment. Don't worry he'll be getting that soon enough. It'll be even tougher for him when we are in league one as well. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SotonianWill Posted 5 February, 2023 Share Posted 5 February, 2023 2 minutes ago, Micky said: Don't worry he'll be getting that soon enough. It'll be even tougher for him when we are in league one as well. that’s what happens when you spend most the summer buying players who normally would’ve been sent on loan to the championship this season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 5 February, 2023 Share Posted 5 February, 2023 1 hour ago, hypochondriac said: I actually dreamt that we won and I woke up happy. Bugger. You think that’s bad, last week I dreamt that this forum met up for a social evening at Wickham Park Golf Club. Miserable Old Git and Sad Old Git were arguing about who was the most cantankerous. I probably shouldn’t come on here before bed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 5 February, 2023 Share Posted 5 February, 2023 Just now, Lighthouse said: You think that’s bad, last week I dreamt that this forum met up for a social evening at Wickham Park Golf Club. Miserable Old Git and Sad Old Git were arguing about who was the most cantankerous. I probably shouldn’t come on here before bed. That's more of a night terror than any sort of dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenilworthy Posted 5 February, 2023 Share Posted 5 February, 2023 2 hours ago, Chez said: He can dribble, he has great confidence to go for things (and keep going for things), but often there just isn't the space and at best we get the foul. Physically he's very lightweight, but he doesn't have electric pace to make up for that. I lie watching him, he tries to make things happen, but the question `where is the end product?' is a fair one. He'll get his season int he championship soon enough. He was fouled four times yesterday. Twice by the same player in quick succession. But did the yellow card come out? Lavia commits one foul and the card was straight out. Edozie would be fantastic in a good team. Right now I think he would be more useful coming off the bench than starting. Unless that is if he was selected over Elynnoussi. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch01 Posted 5 February, 2023 Share Posted 5 February, 2023 34 minutes ago, Chez said: it isn't. You are overthinking things. There is no obligation to play anyone. He picked those players because he thought that was his best team to win that game. His comments relate to playing four at the back, which some senior players prefer, and the tactics, such as hitting the target man early over a short passing game, again, which some senior players prefer. Likely true! Just felt like his comments sounded like they were to do with selection of personnel as well, but perhaps he just meant the views of the personnel. Ta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Steve Posted 5 February, 2023 Share Posted 5 February, 2023 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 5 February, 2023 Share Posted 5 February, 2023 18 hours ago, miserableoldgit said: Yes but that is not from typing on a keyboard is it.....? Nope. It's from trying to strangle Nathan Jones every time I see his stupid face on TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 5 February, 2023 Share Posted 5 February, 2023 Just now, Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd said: Nope. It's from trying to strangle Nathan Jones every time I see his stupid face on TV. 🤣🤣🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forester Posted 5 February, 2023 Share Posted 5 February, 2023 Well that was every bit as depressing as last trip to Brentford, which was the moment I felt Ralph was finished. We look so vulnerable to crosses in the box that you don’t have to play great football to beat us, just do the basics. The whole back four looks to have been destabilised these last two games by bringing in Bednarek and Bree, whereas we were starting to look competent at the back prior to this last week. I feel sorry for Edozie, at 20 he is so young to be played week in week out when he clearly isn’t up to being a consistent starter and the danger is his confidence will be shredded. I thought we lacked creativity and pace first half, and of all of the subs the one I actually think had more material impact was Theo. I would start to use him more, particularly in this situation where I think experience and mental strength is needed. The games are running out now and it is hard to see where these six or seven wins are going to come from 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 5 February, 2023 Share Posted 5 February, 2023 1 minute ago, Forester said: Well that was every bit as depressing as last trip to Brentford, which was the moment I felt Ralph was finished. We look so vulnerable to crosses in the box that you don’t have to play great football to beat us, just do the basics. The whole back four looks to have been destabilised these last two games by bringing in Bednarek and Bree, whereas we were starting to look competent at the back prior to this last week. I feel sorry for Edozie, at 20 he is so young to be played week in week out when he clearly isn’t up to being a consistent starter and the danger is his confidence will be shredded. I thought we lacked creativity and pace first half, and of all of the subs the one I actually think had more material impact was Theo. I would start to use him more, particularly in this situation where I think experience and mental strength is needed. The games are running out now and it is hard to see where these six or seven wins are going to come from One of the most baffling things from the last few weeks for me has been the return of Bednarek. This is a guy who was a major reason for our flood gates being opened, part of the 9-0's, part of the quick-fire collapses. He needed to go in the summer and we needed to replace him with better, which we did in ABK and DCC. So it defies absolutely all logic to throw the players we brought in to replace him into the B Team, recall Bednarek and start him in the team - and look what happens, we ship goals and concede in quick-fire succession again. I just don't know who thought this was a good idea. 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SotonianWill Posted 5 February, 2023 Share Posted 5 February, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, St Steve said: granted it’s a short video but not really any bit of noise in that away end. put the camera down and start singing ffs. Edited 5 February, 2023 by SotonianWill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 5 February, 2023 Share Posted 5 February, 2023 We cannot afford to continue playing Kamikaze full backs. I don't care if they don't attack because they are defenders first and foremost. Our Zonal marking is a joke. It is crying out for the strongest headers to attack the crosses not stand underneath grappling opponents without going for the ball. What the hell is the manager thinking. Elyonoussie, Diallo. Adams, Armstrong are hopeless at carrying out the job they are in the side for., just leave them out. Hopefully KWP will be back on Saturday. Play ABK or DCC and Salisu. Left back is defensively a problem. Personally I think we should go 4-3-3 with JWP Alcaraz and Lavia in the middle, Sullemana, Onuachu and Orsic. I can see the five at the back bollocks rearing it's ugly head again versus Wolves and another game wasted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 5 February, 2023 Share Posted 5 February, 2023 22 minutes ago, derry said: We cannot afford to continue playing Kamikaze full backs. I don't care if they don't attack because they are defenders first and foremost. Our Zonal marking is a joke. It is crying out for the strongest headers to attack the crosses not stand underneath grappling opponents without going for the ball. What the hell is the manager thinking. Elyonoussie, Diallo. Adams, Armstrong are hopeless at carrying out the job they are in the side for., just leave them out. Hopefully KWP will be back on Saturday. Play ABK or DCC and Salisu. Left back is defensively a problem. Personally I think we should go 4-3-3 with JWP Alcaraz and Lavia in the middle, Sullemana, Onuachu and Orsic. I can see the five at the back bollocks rearing it's ugly head again versus Wolves and another game wasted. You've got a point. We have fullbacks and defensive midfielders that are not goal side enough. Zonal marking has been a problematic, not helped by opposing midfielders having all the time in the world to put dangerous crosses in. It's a shit show. Organisation is bad. Individual talent is not great. We give the ball away time after time because of the lack of quality in the side. Diallo wins the ball better than Alcaraz, but he gives it straight back. We look like a relegated side to me. To be fair, Armstrong was left out. Personally, I thought he (out wide) and Mara down the middle looked like good options in the City/Newcastle (h) cup games. No idea why we then played Che and Amstrong up front and then Ely yesterday. It's almost like the manager doesn't have a clue. Not sure Orsic has done anything in his two games to justify your faith in him. I guess everyone else has had a fair go so maybe he should get more chances too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 5 February, 2023 Share Posted 5 February, 2023 1 hour ago, Chez said: You've got a point. We have fullbacks and defensive midfielders that are not goal side enough. Zonal marking has been a problematic, not helped by opposing midfielders having all the time in the world to put dangerous crosses in. It's a shit show. Organisation is bad. Individual talent is not great. We give the ball away time after time because of the lack of quality in the side. Diallo wins the ball better than Alcaraz, but he gives it straight back. We look like a relegated side to me. To be fair, Armstrong was left out. Personally, I thought he (out wide) and Mara down the middle looked like good options in the City/Newcastle (h) cup games. No idea why we then played Che and Amstrong up front and then Ely yesterday. It's almost like the manager doesn't have a clue. Not sure Orsic has done anything in his two games to justify your faith in him. I guess everyone else has had a fair go so maybe he should get more chances too. It's more to do with his historical ability, his international experience, and his goalscoring record and getting up to speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca155 Posted 5 February, 2023 Share Posted 5 February, 2023 6 hours ago, S-Clarke said: One of the most baffling things from the last few weeks for me has been the return of Bednarek. This is a guy who was a major reason for our flood gates being opened, part of the 9-0's, part of the quick-fire collapses. He needed to go in the summer and we needed to replace him with better, which we did in ABK and DCC. So it defies absolutely all logic to throw the players we brought in to replace him into the B Team, recall Bednarek and start him in the team - and look what happens, we ship goals and concede in quick-fire succession again. I just don't know who thought this was a good idea. Evidence for me that Jones has lost part of the dressing room. I'm guessing DCC told him exactly what he thought. Orsic, DCC and to a lesser extent Salisu and ABK all have international experience. It may be an issue for them that Jone's hasn't. Bendarek has experience but clearly a failure at SFC. What a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 8 February, 2023 Share Posted 8 February, 2023 On 05/02/2023 at 06:34, Convict Colony said: Thought i would come into this thread 1st today to ease myself back into the pain. I've waited until Wednesday evening.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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