Brentford 3-0 Saints - Match Thread

[The Cat]

1 hour ago, JRM said:

There's rugby at Twickenham Saturday afternoon so expect trains , roads, pubs to be a bit busier than usual   

 

Thanks for the heads up. I checked and rugby kicks off at 1645 so even for those getting there at lunchtime it will be busy as the rugby lot get there early for BBQ's and drinking pints that someone has put their cock in.

[trousers]

5 minutes ago, The Cat said:

Thanks for the heads up. I checked and rugby kicks off at 1645 so even for those getting there at lunchtime it will be busy as the rugby lot get there early for BBQ's and drinking pints that someone has put their cock in.

Edited 2 February, 2023 by trousers

[whelk]

3 hours ago, JRM said:

Not feeling confident at all, expect a similar game to Villa at home where we end up losing 1-0 , frustrating near miss or VAR decision. 

Why isn't Ivan Toney suspended yet?

There's rugby at Twickenham Saturday afternoon so expect trains , roads, pubs to be a bit busier than usual   

 

And trains fallout from Friday’s strike so expect not all running.  First new ground for me for many a moon. Like you no confidence really but hoping new blood will inject some energy. Brentford ain’t all that at times.

[Saint Matty 76]

2 hours ago, saintant said:

One thing is crystal clear - Lavia must play every minute possible. He was in a different class when he came on against Newcastle - as good if not better than Bruno Guimaeras. He is crucial to us and it's a fine line between wrapping him up in cotton wool and getting the game time out of him that we need. This team without him is night and day because he is one of those players who knits everything together and makes the game flow. Among all the superb stuff he did he also played that defence splitting pass through to AA to give him a one on one.

Without a doubt.

Probably the most concerning thing about NJ is the fact that he actually deemed Diallo the better fit to start both of those games.

[Saintscummer]

57 minutes ago, Saint Matty 76 said:

Without a doubt.

Probably the most concerning thing about NJ is the fact that he actually deemed Diallo the better fit to start both of those games.

What about if he plays Lavia every minute and he cracks physically because of his age and then he is out all season ? Is that not bad player management ? I do agree though that he is mustard 

[Dellman]

1 hour ago, Saint Matty 76 said:

Without a doubt.

Probably the most concerning thing about NJ is the fact that he actually deemed Diallo the better fit to start both of those games.

But when Ralph played Tino each match and he got injured---that was bad management according to fans on this Forum

[Saint Matty 76]

Those last two points would make a bit more sense if he didn't play him for 87 minutes vs Blackpool.

[goodymatt]

8 minutes ago, Saint Matty 76 said:

Those last two points would make a bit more sense if he didn't play him for 87 minutes vs Blackpool.

I reckon he’s prioritised the league to avoid Lavia playing 90 mins midweek and then another 90 at Brentford? It was a cup semi final man 🤦‍♂️😭

[Saint_clark]

1 hour ago, Saintscummer said:

What about if he plays Lavia every minute and he cracks physically because of his age and then he is out all season ? Is that not bad player management ? I do agree though that he is mustard 

I agree. 

If only there was a game in between the two Newcastle ones which he could have rested Lavia in. 

[Dman]

49 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

I agree. 

If only there was a game in between the two Newcastle ones which he could have rested Lavia in. 

I thought it was strange that Lavia played that FA cup game. 
 

I can only suggest Jones saw it as an opportunity to win to keep up his win %

[Saintscummer]

52 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

I agree. 

If only there was a game in between the two Newcastle ones which he could have rested Lavia in. 

Wise ass 🤣

[Dman]

2 hours ago, Dellman said:

But when Ralph played Tino each match and he got injured---that was bad management according to fans on this Forum

A couple of points to put this argument to bed. 
- Tino wasn’t / isn’t our best player who we literally cannot play without. 
- KWP is / was equally as strong if not better than Tino. 
- We weren’t rock bottom desperate for points to stay up, where you cannot afford to rest your best player. 

[Toussaint]

I'm optimistic about this one.

[saintscottofthenortham]

4 hours ago, Saint Matty 76 said:

Without a doubt.

Probably the most concerning thing about NJ is the fact that he actually deemed Diallo the better fit to start both of those games.

This really bothered me. Especially so for how we've effectively given them a fair run and with Lavia over Diallo, very likely would've faired far better. I didn't appreciate it enough from the stands (with a few beers down me), but seeing his montage of his second half... Jesus wept. He is a magnificent baller, already.

I do get what NJ is saying regarding him, though. It's no good flogging him to the point he does break down, again. Look at Tino... He was already having a few niggles, but carried on playing for both us and England U21's. Two or three weeks later he done his ACL and is struggling to come back from it. That loss cannot be underestimated, especially to a side like us.

I think NJ saw Blackpool as an ideal time to rest JWP, but he wouldn't have wanted to rest both he and Lavia, so went with JWP which meant Lavia wasn't going to start 2nd leg.

[HarvSFC]

Got to back the scouts/recruitment and put the new boys in straight away if they're worth a combined £42m. As I've said before, other clubs aren't hanging around and leaving their new signings on the bench. Wood was playing within 24 hours for Forest the other week and Ouattarra was starting and got a vital assist for Bournemouth 48 hours after signing. Examples for us would be Lambert, who was scoring on his debut a day after joining and Gabbiadini, another January deadline day signing who started four days later, scoring on his debut against West Ham. Good players don't need tens of training sessions with their new team, they just slot in and both should be fit. Cannot afford to drop any more points in certain fixtures really and Brentford is winnable if we're on our game. I'm just not convinced Adams and the usual lot have the required goals in them and Onuachu and Sulemana will probably be brought on while we're chasing the game if they don't start.

So, with that said:

Bazunu 

Bree (KWP if fit) - DCC - Salisu - Perraud

Alcaraz - Lavia

A. Armstrong (Edozie impact sub) - JWP - Sulemana 

Onuachu 

For me.

[derry]

We've spent £60m on reinforcements so if we've got clearance/permits then play them. We've got 18 matches so don't waste one playing the same non scoring wasters that got us in this position.

[Viking Saint]

24 minutes ago, HarvSFC said:

Got to back the scouts/recruitment and put the new boys in straight away if they're worth a combined £42m. As I've said before, other clubs aren't hanging around and leaving their new signings on the bench. Wood was playing within 24 hours for Forest the other week and Ouattarra was starting and got a vital assist for Bournemouth 48 hours after signing. Examples for us would be Lambert, who was scoring on his debut a day after joining and Gabbiadini, another January deadline day signing who started four days later, scoring on his debut against West Ham. Good players don't need tens of training sessions with their new team, they just slot in and both should be fit. Cannot afford to drop any more points in certain fixtures really and Brentford is winnable if we're on our game. I'm just not convinced Adams and the usual lot have the required goals in them and Onuachu and Sulemana will probably be brought on while we're chasing the game if they don't start.

So, with that said:

Bazunu 

Bree (KWP if fit) - DCC - Salisu - Perraud

Alcaraz - Lavia

A. Armstrong (Edozie impact sub) - JWP - Sulemana 

Onuachu 

For me.

Would keep Willy in goal tbh, you can see how much better his control and command of his area is than Bazunu's, even if he is pushing 60. Would start ABK over Salisu and Stuart A ahead of his namesake.

That said, I'm expecting 5 at the back and Ely and Walcott to start

[Wade Garrett]

Got to play the new lads.

[Appy]

2 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Got to play the new lads.

Don’t think they’re in the country yet, so reckon it’s unlikely. 

[The Cat]

4 hours ago, Dellman said:

But when Ralph played Tino each match and he got injured---that was bad management according to fans on this Forum

Those fans were wrong.

In the 4 games before Brighton when he got injured he played 90 minutes, 73 minutes, 1 minute and 7 minutes.

[goodymatt]

Big Paul is in the country, get him in the squad for Saturday. 

[The Cat]

1 minute ago, goodymatt said:

Big Paul is in the country, get him in the squad for Saturday. 

Maybe he'll be on the bench so we can give him 10 minutes at the end when we are 3-0 up and the game is safe.

[Saint86]

5 hours ago, Dellman said:

But when Ralph played Tino each match and he got injured---that was bad management according to fans on this Forum

Ralph was blamed for Tino's ACL by some on this forum, despite it already being demonstrate that he was rested in some of the matches leading up to it 🤣

[Dusic]

New lads will be bench at best.

Hopefully will see our best midfield combination of Lavia, Alcaraz and JWP start.

CB tombola will be interesting, Bednarek and Salisu I reckon with hopefully Bree at RB (assuming KWP injured) and Perraud in on the left.

Could McCarthy make a comeback here now he is back training?

[sandwichsaint]

10 hours ago, The Cat said:

Thanks for the heads up. I checked and rugby kicks off at 1645 so even for those getting there at lunchtime it will be busy as the rugby lot get there early for BBQ's and drinking pints that someone has put their cock in.

If only they could put their cock in the BBQ, win/win.

[Saint Garrett]

51 minutes ago, Dusic said:

New lads will be bench at best.

Hopefully will see our best midfield combination of Lavia, Alcaraz and JWP start.

CB tombola will be interesting, Bednarek and Salisu I reckon with hopefully Bree at RB (assuming KWP injured) and Perraud in on the left.

Could McCarthy make a comeback here now he is back training?

How can we possibly start Bednarek moving forward this season. The bloke is awful, and we have 3 better centre backs. 

[Charlie Wayman]

Anybody who seriously thinks that we will get anything out of this game is living in cloud cuckooland. Ralph's side were humiliated and the side we will put out on Saturday will be much the same team - the two new signings aren't even bedded in so can't feature, the two recent signings are clearly not up to PL speed so we will be bit part players at best.

Jones is no magician, his ethos seems to be blood, sweat and long balls so he is unlikely to conjure up any surprise this weekend. 1-3 to Brentford, Tony to wreak havoc amongst our clueless back three.

 

[austsaint]

32 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

How can we possibly start Bednarek moving forward this season. The bloke is awful, and we have 3 better centre backs. 

We do have three better CBs than Bednarek and Lyanco.    Let's hope Jones can see that and concentrate the last 18 League games with CC, ABK and Salisu sharing the load - play Perraud more with Salisu a back up for him in some situations.

[egg]

The usually reliable fantasy scout are predicting this abomination 😟

 

[HKsaint]

4 hours ago, goodymatt said:

Big Paul is in the country, get him in the squad for Saturday. 

Just release the beast please

[petermcpete]

The Siege Tower must start!

[woodsaint1]

3 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said:

Anybody who seriously thinks that we will get anything out of this game is living in cloud cuckooland. Ralph's side were humiliated and the side we will put out on Saturday will be much the same team - the two new signings aren't even bedded in so can't feature, the two recent signings are clearly not up to PL speed so we will be bit part players at best.

Jones is no magician, his ethos seems to be blood, sweat and long balls so he is unlikely to conjure up any surprise this weekend. 1-3 to Brentford, Tony to wreak havoc amongst our clueless back three.

 

You predicted we wouldnt bring a striker in. Lets hope your latest prediction is just as good

[Maggie May]

We have to win or we are down. I have a horrible feeling Everton will sneak a win against Arsenal.

[saintscottofthenortham]

4 hours ago, Maggie May said:

We have to win or we are down. I have a horrible feeling Everton will sneak a win against Arsenal.

A bit extreme. It's pretty evident his year is going to be tighter than most. Two wins on the bounce between now and end of season is very likely to leap us at least a couple of places. 

[CB Fry]

5 hours ago, Maggie May said:

We have to win or we are down. I have a horrible feeling Everton will sneak a win against Arsenal.

Forecasting that the team at the bottom of the league are going to win every single game they play is a common condition on this forum, and we see it on here every season, usually between February and Easter.

Except, of course, when the team at the bottom of the league is us, and then no one thinks that.

Edited 3 February, 2023 by CB Fry

[Toadhall Saint]

7 hours ago, petermcpete said:

The Siege Tower must start!

Made me laugh.

draw at best.

[Convict Colony]

9 hours ago, egg said:

The usually reliable fantasy scout are predicting this abomination 😟

 

Jesus fucking christ

[Convict Colony]

7 hours ago, petermcpete said:

The Siege Tower must start!

Agree the siege tower has to breakdown Brentfords walls

[saintscottofthenortham]

Only Arsenal and Chelsea have kept Brentford from scoring at home this season, which doesn't bode well for starters. They did concede at home to both Everton and Wolves though, two of only three teams to score fewer than us. One defeat all year, to top of the table... Reality is a draw would be a mighty good result, all considered.

Records are there to be broken and all that, I guess. 

[saintscottofthenortham]

Five photos featuring keepers in the Brentford warm-up gallery from Staplewood on the OS... Four of McCarthy and one of Willy. 

[Convict Colony]

Biggest endorsement i can make for the new signings is I have brought Paul and Kamaldeen into my fantasy team for this week - both on bench but i expect them to be a undervalued gem.

Think big paul gets more minutes v brentford given he can actually score goals and has been playing regularly - expect him on 60mins i guess and its baby giraffe time

[LiberalCommunist]

This will be a draw. And draws are not enough now. 

[Pamplemousse]

If McCarthy is fit he starts. He's head and shoulders above Bazunu

[Maggie May]

2 hours ago, CB Fry said:

Forecasting that the team at the bottom of the league are going to win every single game they play is a common condition on this forum, and we see it on here every season, usually between February and Easter.

Except, of course, when the team at the bottom of the league is us, and then no one thinks that.

Not all teams will have the Dyche effect 😎

[Lee On Solent Saint]

11 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

If McCarthy is fit he starts. He's head and shoulders above Bazunu

They are both shit, but you are right, McCarthy does need to start. Just shows what a complete clusterfuck the keeper situation is at the moment. 

[LeBizzier69]

11 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

If McCarthy is fit he starts. He's head and shoulders above Bazunu

His goal kicks are possibly longer too which will suit the overall game plan at the moment to completely bypass the midfield.

[Whitey Grandad]

56 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

If McCarthy is fit he starts. He's head and shoulders above Bazunu

Only when he doesn’t play.

[gammon cheeks]

Brentford 0 Saints 2   Full squad, so party time for us .

[DT]

2 hours ago, Pamplemousse said:

If McCarthy is fit he starts. He's head and shoulders above Bazunu

We 100% lose if he plays. Hope he starts Lavia for once. Get the new lad up front, served by Che's hold up play. Don't crowd the defence with anything silly like 5. Anything but a win and it's going to be very hard. Reckon Everton will win or at least draw against Arsenal (hope not) and beat Liverpool.

[disconnect]

After all the decent signings we've made, how is Armstrong still getting in the team?!

I also have a horrible feeling that Janny B is a favourite of the manager along with Lyanco, and instead of two of DCC / ABK / Salisu, we'll be seeing Janny B with Lyanco with at least 2 of our best CBs on the bench.