Nolan Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 18 minutes ago, jimmysaint7 said: Hes absolute gash!! All this gives him a chance rubbish 🤣🤣 Spot on, everyone of his 181 goals, including his 17 last season for Trabzonspor, were flukes. his 38 assists were just the ball accidentally bouncing off him. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 Give the lad a fair crack - he can't do any worse than Mara. Despite all the talk about Tall Paul not suiting RM's system we constantly cross hopeful balls into the box despite having nobody up front who can head the ball. Man City and Utd put in plenty of crosses at Wembley today - it is within the rules of the game. One of the finest sights for me in my years supporting Saints was Ron Davies climbing to head home a series of superb goals. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabrice29 Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 2 minutes ago, saintant said: Give the lad a fair crack - he can't do any worse than Mara. Despite all the talk about Tall Paul not suiting RM's system we constantly cross hopeful balls into the box despite having nobody up front who can head the ball. Man City and Utd put in plenty of crosses at Wembley today - it is within the rules of the game. One of the finest sights for me in my years supporting Saints was Ron Davies climbing to head home a series of superb goals. Lowest in the league last year for aerial attacks so that is just not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 7 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said: Lowest in the league last year for aerial attacks so that is just not true. Stats I've seen show us as having made the 4th most number of crosses in the Chamionship last season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 1 minute ago, saintant said: Stats I've seen show us as having made the 4th most number of crosses in the Chamionship last season. Plus starts show Suguwaras crossing ability is greater than KWP. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 2 minutes ago, saintant said: Stats I've seen show us as having made the 4th most number of crosses in the Chamionship last season. I'd have thought you'd know better than argue with theorists. Paine, Sydenham and Big Ron now that was a combination to die for. Besides when was the last time Edozie got a proper cross in. Dibling showed the way. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 Just now, Nolan said: Plus starts show Suguwaras crossing ability is greater than KWP. Good point.We are going to need to throw crosses in regularly because we won't often work the ball through Premier League midfields/defences with loads of passes and create chances - even the top sides sometimes struggle with that. If we don't learn quick our forwards will be living on scraps and we've already seen the signs in pre season games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 Thought he looked alright today. If he'd got as many chances as the great Che Adams did before he did anything, he might have come good. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenilworthy Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 3 hours ago, suewhistle said: He did at least get involved today and made a nuisance of himself, which is not something I recall seeing from him before.. away at Chelsea he scared their defence to death 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulwantsapint81 Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 TP might have been better used as a focal central target man than when RS tried using him as a left winger Give him a chance between now & end of window 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waylander Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 Use him right and he will score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellyears Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 2 hours ago, saintant said: Give the lad a fair crack - he can't do any worse than Mara. Despite all the talk about Tall Paul not suiting RM's system we constantly cross hopeful balls into the box despite having nobody up front who can head the ball. Man City and Utd put in plenty of crosses at Wembley today - it is within the rules of the game. One of the finest sights for me in my years supporting Saints was Ron Davies climbing to head home a series of superb goals. Yes, great days, Ron got the goals but in those days we had the one and only Terry Paine with his inch perfect crosses from all angles that's why we had a succession of strikers and goals by the hatful, 100+ one season--can't remember which season. But its a different game now, and not such fun. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty's Caddy Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 2 hours ago, Nolan said: Plus starts show Suguwaras crossing ability is greater than KWP. What? Jonny no assists? Despite spending most of the game in the opposition half? Surely not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmysaint7 Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 4 hours ago, Nolan said: Spot on, everyone of his 181 goals, including his 17 last season for Trabzonspor, were flukes. his 38 assists were just the ball accidentally bouncing off him. Really strong leagues those Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osvaldorama Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 20 hours ago, jimmysaint7 said: Really strong leagues those Despite your sarcasm the sad reality is that he’s the best striker currently at the club. So we’d be wise to play to his strengths tbh 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 We're not going to completely suddenly flip our playstyle for a wantaway striker who has looked mediocre with his feet every time we've seen him play, as it would be absolutely mental to do so. If you really want to keep him around as an option to throw on, switch up the tactics and lump balls into the box like we're a Pulis club when we're chasing a game, sure. Ideally we get something close to £10m and never see him again. Terrible signing, let's move on please... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 His career seems to be following a similar pattern to fellow very tall striker Alexander Sorloth. Both had success at Midtjylland before eventually ending up at low end PL clubs - Palace in Sorloth’s case. Neither scored a goal and both were loaned to Trabzonspor where they resumed their prolific goal scoring. Sorloth then got sold to RB Leipzig and has now found his way to Atletico Madrid via Villarreal. Tall Paul doesn’t seem to be getting the RB Leipzig-esque move but perhaps there’s a second chance for him here instead… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 Whilst we have him, we might as well had use him. If anything, he'll give defenders something to think about, but I really just dont know if he suits how we'll want to play. That being said, he's a big lad and can / should be able to hold the ball up well enough. Has proven in multiple (all be it lesser quatlity) leauges, so can clearly put the ball away. For the peanuts being offered, we might as well keep him and see if he can offer us anything. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 On 10/08/2024 at 20:33, Kenilworthy said: away at Chelsea he scared their defence to death He was the best player on the pitch that day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 6 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: He was the best player on the pitch that day. Really? That game really must have passed me by; when was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 14 hours ago, Saint Matty 76 said: We're not going to completely suddenly flip our playstyle for a wantaway striker who has looked mediocre with his feet every time we've seen him play, as it would be absolutely mental to do so. If you really want to keep him around as an option to throw on, switch up the tactics and lump balls into the box like we're a Pulis club when we're chasing a game, sure. Ideally we get something close to £10m and never see him again. Terrible signing, let's move on please... Like a Pulis club what one that survives in the Prem ? Saturday he came on and played deeper behind Edozie Armstrong then Dibling . We didn’t just lump balls into the box then why would we now, who could we get to replace him for 10m if he is only option as Stewart won’t be fit for 2 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 1 hour ago, suewhistle said: Really? That game really must have passed me by; when was it? I think Selles' first game under his temporary charge. We won 1-0 thanks to a JWP special. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitch Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 Sorry, but he's a better shout than Mara (who can't be arsed) or Ross Stewart (who can't walk). Already lost tonnes on him, not exactly blessed with strikers and he does give the option of something different. I'd keep him around. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 25 minutes ago, kitch said: Sorry, but he's a better shout than Mara (who can't be arsed) or Ross Stewart (who can't walk). Already lost tonnes on him, not exactly blessed with strikers and he does give the option of something different. I'd keep him around. Agree - he'd be more of a threat for the many crosses we put into the box than the midgets and those who can't head the ball were last season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmysaint7 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 On 11/08/2024 at 19:51, Osvaldorama said: Despite your sarcasm the sad reality is that he’s the best striker currently at the club. So we’d be wise to play to his strengths tbh It's not sarcasm it real. He's played in some awful leagues and scored goals yes, he should never of been signed as he has never and will never be good for us. I'd love to know what his strengths are as I've seen none so far 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 24 minutes ago, jimmysaint7 said: It's not sarcasm it real. He's played in some awful leagues and scored goals yes, he should never of been signed as he has never and will never be good for us. I'd love to know what his strengths are as I've seen none so far I don't think any of us have seen enough of him to determine what his strengths are. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 (edited) Well, many of these goals in the link would not be gifted in the prem, but he can head a ball thats for sure, plus he does display a couple of bits of skill for a tall lad. Maybe worth another chance and perhaps a bit of a longer run than he was allowed last time. Edited August 12 by Saint Billy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_SFC Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 1 hour ago, Saint Billy said: Well, many of these goals in the link would not be gifted in the prem, but he can head a ball thats for sure, plus he does display a couple of bits of skill for a tall lad. Maybe worth another chance and perhaps a bit of a longer run than he was allowed last time. You're right, the amount of time and space he gets is nothing like he will in the premier league but he does have something about him. I think our asking price is around €10m and I certainly wouldn't be selling him for less than that given what we paid for him but also the fact he's a prolific scorer in these lesser foreign leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmysaint7 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 1 hour ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: I don't think any of us have seen enough of him to determine what his strengths are. Well I for one definitely don't wanna see anymore of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 Just now, jimmysaint7 said: Well I for one definitely don't wanna see anymore of him. Disagree with Mara possibly off to Lens I think he will be an option off the bench. Out of interest did you see him on Saturday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: I don't think any of us have seen enough of him to determine what his strengths are. Well going by what I saw on Saturday he is a focal point we don’t have. His touch isn’t bad and he drew 3 fouls in time he was on. He played a withdrawn role that allowed Edozie and Armstrong to play up more and it nearly worked but Armstrong scuffed it wide. I think he is something different that may unsettle some defenders and give Armstrong etc more opportunities and for what €10m worth keeping unless we invest that in a keeper and quality forward. Edited August 12 by Give it to Ron 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 10 hours ago, Bad Wolf said: I think Selles' first game under his temporary charge. We won 1-0 thanks to a JWP special. It was a good day out and yes, Tall Paul was one of the best players on the pitch. I'm not so sure RM has totally given up on him. Getting a few minutes in the last pre-season suggests RM realises our options are very limited up front and he may well bring him on from the subs bench. And with Suguwara showing he can cross the ball, that's not such a dumb idea. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 1 hour ago, Saint Billy said: Well, many of these goals in the link would not be gifted in the prem, but he can head a ball thats for sure, plus he does display a couple of bits of skill for a tall lad. Maybe worth another chance and perhaps a bit of a longer run than he was allowed last time. Good in the air and decent with his feet. This guy offers us something different and we should be giving him a chance. I don't understand how RM is happy to give game time to Mara yet Tall Paul has been ignored. He scores goals. Needs some work on his knee slide though - maybe better not to try it on dry pitches. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayling Saint Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 37 minutes ago, saintant said: Good in the air and decent with his feet. This guy offers us something different and we should be giving him a chance. I don't understand how RM is happy to give game time to Mara yet Tall Paul has been ignored. He scores goals. Needs some work on his knee slide though - maybe better not to try it on dry pitches. Looks very good in those clips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danjosaint Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 Is he one of RM's mates tho as that's all that counts 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKsaint Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 We should keep him rather than selling him for less than £10m. £10m you can buy another Mara only. Tall Paul can at least draw one or two defenders attention while other defenders just ignore Mara. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 If the "window" is later in Turkey ? ..I'd give him the chance to get some game time until the last possible day before giving him away. He can seemingly score headers without raising his feet off the ground and has good ground control for a man of his stature. If we still haven't scored a goal in the last 20 minutes of these early Prem. games ..what do we have to lose? Maybe he will come good, if given the chance. 18 million is a lot of money to lose on a bad decision.. whichever leagues he's played in , and you can't say all his goals were flukes against poor defences. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiknsmack Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 19 minutes ago, david in sweden said: If the "window" is later in Turkey ? ..I'd give him the chance to get some game time until the last possible day before giving him away. September 13th, vs August 30th for England. Two games before the English window closes, one more (the day after that) before the Turkish window closes. So if we bring in a deadline day loan striker who isn't ready to play vs Brentford the next day, there's the option to play Onuachu and then still sell him to Turkey. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 9 hours ago, jimmysaint7 said: Well I for one definitely don't wanna see anymore of him. How do you feel about Mara? He's been given much more of a chance than TP. I would like to see TP given some more opportunities before making a judgement. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 The stick to beat tall Paul with was he didn't suit a pressing team. We are now a walking around team so fitness shouldn't be an issue, I say play him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabrice29 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 1 hour ago, Convict Colony said: The stick to beat tall Paul with was he didn't suit a pressing team. We are now a walking around team so fitness shouldn't be an issue, I say play him. Eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 2 hours ago, chiknsmack said: September 13th, vs August 30th for England. Two games before the English window closes, one more (the day after that) before the Turkish window closes. So if we bring in a deadline day loan striker who isn't ready to play vs Brentford the next day, there's the option to play Onuachu and then still sell him to Turkey. ... or keep him, if he finally turns out to be a worthwhile purchase who can help us. What player doesn't want to play in the Premier League.? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 What I find interesting is that nobody is mentioning the one thing that he is brilliant at. Last year when he joined us I watched a video showing all his goals. Apart from penalties nearly all his goals were getting across defenders in the goal area and beating them to either low or head high crosses, he was deadly at that. Only Armstrong and now Brererton-Diaz are remotely able to do that. Che Adams rarely made runs and it's something we could exploit. I don't see him behind the strikers. He really isn't dominant winning balls pumped up to him, he is about beating defenders to the ball. Without an alternative I'd give him a go. With five at the back we don't really need three in midfield because it isolates our two forwards. 3-4-3 makes more attacking sense becoming 5-4-1 defending. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 He will leave, its just negotiation. Be amazed if he plays a minute for us before then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmysaint7 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 14 hours ago, Give it to Ron said: Disagree with Mara possibly off to Lens I think he will be an option off the bench. Out of interest did you see him on Saturday? Yes, within a few minutes he was rolling about on the floor randomly! He literally looked like a fish out of water Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draino76 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 I've seen half of the video above. Seems like our best option. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dusic said: He will leave, its just negotiation. I agree. My only concern is that Trabzonspor have spent about €10m (net) this summer already, which is similar to what they spent (net) last season. Net spend was roughly €0 the summer before that and about €12m the season before that. Edited August 13 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 Im all for giving a good run, modern defenders wont like a big forward up against them. He gives a different dimension to our game. If RM could mould him into our system us fretting about a forward could diminish. I read just now that Ings is on 130k pw at WHU and they will let him g on a free, he has already turned up down apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 On 13/08/2024 at 15:20, Chez said: I agree. My only concern is that Trabzonspor have spent about €10m (net) this summer already, which is similar to what they spent (net) last season. Net spend was roughly €0 the summer before that and about €12m the season before that. AND.. Trrabzonspor are now out of their 3rd rate Euro competition in the first match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
852_Saint Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 Last time I saw him play in the PL he was miles off the pace. Ali Dia Mk.2. That said, I reckon he'd have about 5 or 6 of those goals from the reel in the Prem from crosses and corners. Maybe he's a confidence player. There's no way he starts. Our "impact sub" option is currently Mara, who has been consistently dreadful in every circumstance. If we're going to have a "roll the dice" option from the bench you'd be mad to throw Mara on over Tall Paul. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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