Paul Onuachu

[Weston Super Saint]

20 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

I would again point out he was behind players that had produced for the manager the season before and players the manager had signed because they'd produced in this very league before, unlike TP. Anyway, we're going around in circles. I'm not convinced the performances now of TP are evidence that he should have played earlier, especially considering his performances for us before but some of you might think they are, I just don't remember people clamouring for it before and feel like people are rewriting history.

Flip flop, flip flop.

First you say Martin gave him assurances he would get game time if he stayed, then you justify Martin not giving him game time because other players did things the season before.

We get it, Martin could do no wrong in your eyes. The table - and almost everyone else's eyes - say differently.

[Fabrice29]

1 minute ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Flip flop, flip flop.

First you say Martin gave him assurances he would get game time if he stayed, then you justify Martin not giving him game time because other players did things the season before.

We get it, Martin could do no wrong in your eyes. The table - and almost everyone else's eyes - say differently.

I didn't say Martin gave him assurances he would get chances, the player himself said it. I justified those chances being delayed. If you're going to keep pressing on the topic then I suggest being factual would help. 

[Weston Super Saint]

1 minute ago, Fabrice29 said:

I didn't say Martin gave him assurances he would get chances, the player himself said it. I justified those chances being delayed. If you're going to keep pressing on the topic then I suggest being factual would help. 

So, you don't believe Martin gave him assurances he would play - even though you insisted on posting the full quote?

[aintforever]

He deserves a run in the side but wether he is Prem quality or not remains to be seen. He definitely gives us a different dimension and unlike all our other strikers he actually causes problems for the opposition defence so we might as well give him a go.

Him and Archer up front with Fernandes in the no10 position seems the logical way forward to me.

[OldNick]

27 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Playing the ball around the back being a fad and teams that do it are struggling is on a par with suggesting we should take a 10 point deduction, presumably in order to ultimately get more points for stupidity.

Im not sure which teams that play it around the back are doing well. Even Man City are now struggling.

As for your taking a minus 10 point reduction is stupid, well Everton and Forest who both outspent, thus making their squads more than capable of staying up may be better than having a squad of Championship players

[Fabrice29]

Just now, Weston Super Saint said:

So, you don't believe Martin gave him assurances he would play - even though you insisted on posting the full quote?

I have zero idea what point you're trying to make now, I think you've got yourself into a weird knot. Martin clearly told him he wanted him to stay and he would get chances, TP decided he wanted to leave anyway (which I don't actually have an issue with btw), so I understand why Martin might spend the summer/August trying to find a replacement and why others (who produced for him last season and have produced in the PL before unlike TP) were ahead of him. If you can point to evidence that not only did you clamour for TP to be in the side at the end of the Turkish transfer when it turned out he wasn't leaving but also knew that he was going to be the superstar this messageboard thinks he is after the West Ham game then by all means I'm happy to bow down to your footballing greatness. Otherwise, I'm going to continue to think you're a numpty who spent all last season telling us we wouldn't be promoted and convincing yourself you didn't enjoy it.

[Fabrice29]

5 minutes ago, OldNick said:

Im not sure which teams that play it around the back are doing well. Even Man City are now struggling.

As for your taking a minus 10 point reduction is stupid, well Everton and Forest who both outspent, thus making their squads more than capable of staying up may be better than having a squad of Championship players

I think what you mean is teams who make mistakes playing it around at the back, which is a perfectly valid point but you're not actually saying that, so you just sound stupid because I can assure you every single team in this league plays it around at the back, including the league leaders.

[OldNick]

4 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

I think what you mean is teams who make mistakes playing it around at the back, which is a perfectly valid point but you're not actually saying that, so you just sound stupid because I can assure you every single team in this league plays it around at the back, including the league leaders.

All teams in history have played the ball around the back to a degree, not the fanatical way a few clubs are doing now. RM was such a disciple to it, we are being punished for that madness. In just 2 games the more sensible way has shown that the chances against us has been reduced dramatically. In my opinion, the players lost their faith in the style of play and perhaps delighted to have the freedom of playing the game that they first played the game. If i appear stupid then i'm doing a good job as Iam. I live a life that most would dream of and so Im not doing too badly. 

[OldNick]

16 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

I have zero idea what point you're trying to make now, I think you've got yourself into a weird knot. Martin clearly told him he wanted him to stay and he would get chances, TP decided he wanted to leave anyway (which I don't actually have an issue with btw), so I understand why Martin might spend the summer/August trying to find a replacement and why others (who produced for him last season and have produced in the PL before unlike TP) were ahead of him. If you can point to evidence that not only did you clamour for TP to be in the side at the end of the Turkish transfer when it turned out he wasn't leaving but also knew that he was going to be the superstar this messageboard thinks he is after the West Ham game then by all means I'm happy to bow down to your footballing greatness. Otherwise, I'm going to continue to think you're a numpty who spent all last season telling us we wouldn't be promoted and convincing yourself you didn't enjoy it.

I dont know why you are insulting people. If you believe RM did anything but discourage TP then you are not as bright as you believe you are. TP is to RM idea of style of play that Rachel Reeve is to an employer.

[Fabrice29]

3 minutes ago, OldNick said:

All teams in history have played the ball around the back to a degree, not the fanatical way a few clubs are doing now. RM was such a disciple to it, we are being punished for that madness. In just 2 games the more sensible way has shown that the chances against us has been reduced dramatically. In my opinion, the players lost their faith in the style of play and perhaps delighted to have the freedom of playing the game that they first played the game. If i appear stupid then i'm doing a good job as Iam. I live a life that most would dream of and so Im not doing too badly. 

Right. Now lets get you to realise that going from 6 points to - 6 points is not the genius tactic that you seem to think it is and we can all get back to living lives that most people would dream of.

[Fabrice29]

3 minutes ago, OldNick said:

I dont know why you are insulting people. If you believe RM did anything but discourage TP then you are not as bright as you believe you are. TP is to RM idea of style of play that Rachel Reeve is to an employer.

I think I'm insulting people because despite posting the quote of TP saying that RM encouraged him, people still think he discouraged him. 

[OldNick]

2 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Right. Now lets get you to realise that going from 6 points to - 6 points is not the genius tactic that you seem to think it is and we can all get back to living lives that most people would dream of.

Did I say from this point? Obviously not where we are as we havent purchased the players to enable us to be in a position where a minus 10 would be critical. Forest and Everton received theirs after a year or so after they had made a competitive squad. 

[Fabrice29]

2 minutes ago, OldNick said:

Did I say from this point? Obviously not where we are as we havent purchased the players to enable us to be in a position where a minus 10 would be critical. Forest and Everton received theirs after a year or so after they had made a competitive squad. 

Right, well when you've decided you think the time is right to receive the punishment then give the club an email and inform them of the business plan you've uncovered. Then just copy in the FA and I'm sure they'll oblige and apply the punishment right on cue and definitely wont apply complex and confusing investigations, rules and punishments that will leave everyone baffled. Fool proof.

[OldNick]

Just now, Fabrice29 said:

Right, well when you've decided you think the time is right to receive the punishment then give the club an email and inform them of the business plan you've uncovered. Then just copy in the FA and I'm sure they'll oblige and apply the punishment right on cue and definitely wont apply complex and confusing investigations, rules and punishments that will leave everyone baffled. Fool proof.

Well, if it was a plan, you know you have at least a season to prepare. As I mentioned before Everton and Forest did not receive their punishment the same season and built a squad that was able to take the punishment. BTW I dont advocate to do it but just a theory after seeing how othrs have laughed at the rules and got around them. 

[Weston Super Saint]

10 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

I think I'm insulting people because despite posting the quote of TP saying that RM encouraged him, people still think he discouraged him. 

He didn't play him.

How much more discouragement can there possibly be?

Other than that though, great point.

Edited 28 December, 2024 by Weston Super Saint

[Fabrice29]

4 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

He didn't play him.

How much more discouragement can there possibly be?

Other than that though, great point.

The Turkish transfer window closed mid September and he made various substitute appearances throughout October and November before starting against Liverpool which for someone who didn't play in pre season because of the aforementioned plan to leave, seems reasonable so yeah, I agree, good point.

[Oldandtired]

2 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

. Otherwise, I'm going to continue to think you're a numpty 

Back at you…

Your head is such a weird place.

[tdmickey3]

The lengths this poster will go to try to defend the utterly fucking useless Russell Martin is frankly incredible.

The league table proves that the defence of the idiot is completely without justification.

This Fabrice weirdo has to be a member of the clueless coaching staff, a friend, a family member or Jack Stephens 

[Fabrice29]

43 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

The lengths this poster will go to try to defend the utterly fucking useless Russell Martin is frankly incredible.

The league table proves that the defence of the idiot is completely without justification.

This Fabrice weirdo has to be a member of the clueless coaching staff, a friend, a family member or Jack Stephens 

Keep up the good work mate.

[pimpin4rizeal]

I think Paul has been total class in his little cameos this season, one of the best cf performances I’ve seen from a big man in a long time . He’s kinda reminiscent of how crouch was in his time here but onuachu probably has even more skill then crouch did.

I’m not gonna berate him for the chances missed as most of them wouldn’t have been chances of it wasn’t him he’s winning headers others wouldn’t, dominating games and pretty much making a ton of impact with very little game time .. 

 

[tdmickey3]

2 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

Keep up the good work mate.

Keep up the pathetic defence 

[Fabrice29]

43 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Keep up the pathetic defence 

If I wanted to pathetically defend RM I'd be in the thread titled with his name quoting you from last season every time you said we wouldn't be promoted with him in charge. As it happens, I came into this thread to just point out TP hasn't been very good up until now and isn't some hard done by soul so keep being wrong hun xoxox

Edited 28 December, 2024 by Fabrice29

[ErwinK1961]

3 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

I think Paul has been total class in his little cameos this season, one of the best cf performances I’ve seen from a big man in a long time . He’s kinda reminiscent of how crouch was in his time here but onuachu probably has even more skill then crouch did.

I’m not gonna berate him for the chances missed as most of them wouldn’t have been chances of it wasn’t him he’s winning headers others wouldn’t, dominating games and pretty much making a ton of impact with very little game time .. 

 

Except for the one, critical, aspect you want from a striker.

[saintant]

57 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

If I wanted to pathetically defend RM I'd be in the thread titled with his name quoting you from last season every time you said we wouldn't be promoted with him in charge. As it happens, I came into this thread to just point out TP hasn't been very good up until now and isn't some hard done by soul so keep being wrong hun xoxox

TP has hardly played up until now. Let's judge him on a run in a side that wants to get forward and score goals rather than claim he hasn't been very good under RM who rarely picked him and employed dreadful tactics as most agree other than a few who continue to defend the indefensible.

[Fabrice29]

8 hours ago, saintant said:

TP has hardly played up until now. Let's judge him on a run in a side that wants to get forward and score goals rather than claim he hasn't been very good under RM who rarely picked him and employed dreadful tactics as most agree other than a few who continue to defend the indefensible.

He wasn’t very good under the two managers previously either. One of which signed him and played tactics similar to his strengths. I’m all for judging him going forward, I was just pointing out that we shouldn’t rewrite history. 

[saintant]

3 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

He wasn’t very good under the two managers previously either. One of which signed him and played tactics similar to his strengths. I’m all for judging him going forward, I was just pointing out that we shouldn’t rewrite history. 

You just did. Nathan Jones signed Onuachu on 1st Feb 2023 and he was then sacked 11 days later. During this period we played 2 games and TP came on as sub in the first against Brentford and played for 74 minutes against Wolves so how can you possibly claim as fact that TP wasn't very good under Nathan Jones? - only by rewriting history that's how.

[Fabrice29]

26 minutes ago, saintant said:

You just did. Nathan Jones signed Onuachu on 1st Feb 2023 and he was then sacked 11 days later. During this period we played 2 games and TP came on as sub in the first against Brentford and played for 74 minutes against Wolves so how can you possibly claim as fact that TP wasn't very good under Nathan Jones? - only by rewriting history that's how.

‘He wasn’t very good under the two managers previously either. One of which signed him and played tactics similar to his strengths’

Everything I’ve said here is correct. Cheers.

[saintant]

5 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

‘He wasn’t very good under the two managers previously either. One of which signed him and played tactics similar to his strengths’

Everything I’ve said here is correct. Cheers.

Under Selles he was given 3 starts in 16 games - the point I'm making is that you can't judge a player if he is not starting games. You can wriggle all you like but I've given you the numbers of games he started under the 2 previous managers so I ask you how you manage to make the judgement he wasn't very good from a total of 4 starts in 18 games? Cheers.

Edited 29 December, 2024 by saintant

[Fabrice29]

3 minutes ago, saintant said:

Under Selles he was given 3 starts in 16 games - the point I'm making is that you can't judge a player if he is not starting games. You can wriggle all you like but I've given you the numbers of games he started under the 2 previous managers so I ask you how you manage to make the judgement he wasn't very good from a total of 4 starts in 18 games?

Well he wasn’t very good is how I can judge him. When he did start games he wasn’t very good and when he came off the bench he also wasn’t very good. Just as I’m sure we’ve all judged Maxwell Cornet as not being very good for us and undeserving of regular starts up until now, TP was the same. Anyway, we’re going around in circles. Maybe you always believed was our saviour, despite actually being bought to be our saviour last time and not being good enough to get regular starts, maybe he’ll score for us one day, hopefully today. 

[Oh no Mick Mills]

6 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Well he wasn’t very good is how I can judge him. When he did start games he wasn’t very good and when he came off the bench he also wasn’t very good. Just as I’m sure we’ve all judged Maxwell Cornet as not being very good for us and undeserving of regular starts up until now, TP was the same. Anyway, we’re going around in circles. Maybe you always believed was our saviour, despite actually being bought to be our saviour last time and not being good enough to get regular starts, maybe he’ll score for us one day, hopefully today. 

Going by his performance against West Ham and compare it to Armstrongs performance who would you want to start? 

 

[Fabrice29]

5 minutes ago, Oh no Mick Mills said:

Going by his performance against West Ham and compare it to Armstrongs performance who would you want to start? 

 

Going by their goal scoring records for Southampton who would you rather start? It’s really easy to limit the parameters and get the answer you want. I’d much rather we signed another striker and start neither tbh, but that’s unlikely today.
 

They were asked to play completely different roles from what I could tell on Thursday so I don’t think it should be a choice of the two anyway. Think Armstrong is competing with Archer in this way of playing and we’ll have to accept that the rotation of strikers when playing so frantically is to be expected. 

[CB Fry]

20 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Well he wasn’t very good is how I can judge him. When he did start games he wasn’t very good and when he came off the bench he also wasn’t very good. Just as I’m sure we’ve all judged Maxwell Cornet as not being very good for us and undeserving of regular starts up until now, TP was the same. Anyway, we’re going around in circles. Maybe you always believed was our saviour, despite actually being bought to be our saviour last time and not being good enough to get regular starts, maybe he’ll score for us one day, hopefully today. 

All I can say is thank Christ your guy, the masterful tactician, coach and hair stylist saw what an awful player Onuachu is and let his Saints team flourish with the ruthless finishing and glorious attacking football that saw us smash in 11 goals in just 16 matches.

Edited 29 December, 2024 by CB Fry

[Fabrice29]

1 minute ago, CB Fry said:

All I can say is thank Christ your guy, the masterful tactician, coach and hair stylist saw through what an awful player Onuachu is and let his Saints team flourish with the ruthless finishing and glorious attacking football that saw us smash in 11 goals in just 16 matches.

I’ve said all season we don’t have the strikers capable of scoring regularly in this league. The idea that Onuachu, who until Thursday barely looked like scoring for us let alone actually having done it, is not only the answer to that but has been all along and RM is the only one who didn’t think it…is fanciful. 

[CB Fry]

17 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

I’ve said all season we don’t have the strikers capable of scoring regularly in this league. The idea that Onuachu, who until Thursday barely looked like scoring for us let alone actually having done it, is not only the answer to that but has been all along and RM is the only one who didn’t think it…is fanciful. 

Oh, I know. That free flowing blistering attacking football that your guy had us playing where we generated goalscoring chance after chance after chance after chance and those useless strikers just couldn't tuck them away. Like, grrr, so annoying.

[Fabrice29]

1 minute ago, CB Fry said:

Oh, I know. That free flowing blistering attacking football that your guy had us playing where we generated goalscoring chance after chance after chance after chance and those useless strikers just couldn't tuck them away. Like, grrr, so annoying.

Again, as I’ve stated a few times in here, this isn’t about our tactics or RM, it’s about Onuachu not being hard done by. I know this place is a bit obsessed with RM but there appears to be a thread with his name on it that’s still going so maybe that’s the best place for chat about him. If you want to discuss whether Onuachu was deserving of better treatment then this is the place for that. 

[CB Fry]

5 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Again, as I’ve stated a few times in here, this isn’t about our tactics or RM, it’s about Onuachu not being hard done by. I know this place is a bit obsessed with RM but there appears to be a thread with his name on it that’s still going so maybe that’s the best place for chat about him. If you want to discuss whether Onuachu was deserving of better treatment then this is the place for that. 

Onuachu was deserving of better treatment as he can clearly hold the ball up and has scored goals wherever he has been. He's got something to offer right now. He was unlucky to be signed by a manager who was then sacked within a fortnight.

I can remember someone else being obsessed with Russell Martin and saying how wonderful he was and how he will end up at an even higher level more quickly than lowly Premier League Southampton.....I wonder who that was.

You might now be desperately pretending he was never here but unfortunately for you the idiot Martin will be a topic on this forum for some time.

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

All I know is Tall Paul got his head to crosses in the West Ham game that no-one else would have reached. All I saw was Tall Paul holding the ball up relatively well and laying off to one of our players and he lasted 90 minutes.

He might not be the most gifted player that's graced a Saints shirt but he gives off a positive attitude and given other strikers aren't exactly world beaaters, he deserves a run in the team. Hope to see him and Archer together some time soon.

[Fabrice29]

2 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Onuachu was deserving of better treatment as he can clearly hold the ball up and has scored goals wherever he has been. He's got something to offer right now. He was unlucky to be signed by a manager who was then sacked within a fortnight.

I can remember someone else being obsessed with Russell Martin and saying how wonderful he was and how he will end up at an even higher level more quickly than lowly Premier League Southampton.....I wonder who that was.

You might now be desperately pretending he was never here but unfortunately for you the idiot Martin will be a topic on this forum for some time.

I also think Onuachu has something to offer today. I’ve been calling for a physical presence up front all season as well although I’d much rather we signed one in the summer than relying on someone who didn’t/still maybe doesn't want to be here and hasn’t scored for us yet despite scoring everywhere else. I don’t really see him as the answer but my point isn’t whether he’s the answer or not, it’s that he’s not done anything for us of note yet, we did well without him last season and we signed others to play whilst he was planning on leaving so it’s hardly a shock he was down the pecking order. 

I also still think Martin is wonderful and will manage at a higher level than we’ll get to anytime soon. 

Hopefully I’m wrong on all accounts. 

[tdmickey3]

12 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

If I wanted to pathetically defend RM I'd be in the thread titled with his name quoting you from last season every time you said we wouldn't be promoted with him in charge. As it happens, I came into this thread to just point out TP hasn't been very good up until now and isn't some hard done by soul so keep being wrong hun xoxox

I know you are struggling to cope at the moment but you need to get over it, he’s gone and most sensible people are delighted.

He got us promoted not through his tactical style or skill because he only has one, we were promoted because the worst goalkeeper in the division was injured so he had to reduce the suicidal passing at the back.

I admit the I believed that we would not be promoted with RM but it was more to do with luck that we were.
 

You now need to admit that your ridiculous support of the obvious mess RM has put us in was wrong, try it you might feel better by doing so, the truth will set you free.

 

 

 

[saintant]

47 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

I also think Onuachu has something to offer today. I’ve been calling for a physical presence up front all season as well although I’d much rather we signed one in the summer than relying on someone who didn’t/still maybe doesn't want to be here and hasn’t scored for us yet despite scoring everywhere else. I don’t really see him as the answer but my point isn’t whether he’s the answer or not, it’s that he’s not done anything for us of note yet, we did well without him last season and we signed others to play whilst he was planning on leaving so it’s hardly a shock he was down the pecking order. 

I also still think Martin is wonderful and will manage at a higher level than we’ll get to anytime soon. 

Hopefully I’m wrong on all accounts. 

The major point you continually choose to ignore is the fact that Onuachu has never been given a decent run of consecutive starts in the side to get match fit and sharp. You cannot deny this because the stats prove it. He is now likely to get that run of games so I prefer to judge him on these rather than the sporadic starts and minutes as a sub he's had up until now. If he fails to score or contribute much to the team then fair enough but he deserves this chance which has been denied to him so far. Many top strikers made slow starts to their careers eg Henry scored just one goal (against us of course) in his first 12 games for Arsenal yet, for some reason, Onuachu is expected by some to start banging in goals the first time he's selected. Others I could mention who struggled at first include Ian Rush, Luis Suarez, Diego Forlan, Jamie Vardie who was hopeless the season before Leicester won the Premier league title and Dennis Bergkamp. If TP has a run of games and doesn't score then he's probably not what we need but the guy should at least be given a chance same as every other striker. 

[Fabrice29]

30 minutes ago, saintant said:

The major point you continually choose to ignore is the fact that Onuachu has never been given a decent run of consecutive starts in the side to get match fit and sharp. You cannot deny this because the stats prove it. He is now likely to get that run of games so I prefer to judge him on these rather than the sporadic starts and minutes as a sub he's had up until now. If he fails to score or contribute much to the team then fair enough but he deserves this chance which has been denied to him so far. Many top strikers made slow starts to their careers eg Henry scored just one goal (against us of course) in his first 12 games for Arsenal yet, for some reason, Onuachu is expected by some to start banging in goals the first time he's selected. Others I could mention who struggled at first include Ian Rush, Luis Suarez, Diego Forlan, Jamie Vardie who was hopeless the season before Leicester won the Premier league title and Dennis Bergkamp. If TP has a run of games and doesn't score then he's probably not what we need but the guy should at least be given a chance same as every other striker. 

Okay cool, him and Cornet up top today then and each game until you're ready to judge. Finally a run of starts for them both.

Edited 29 December, 2024 by Fabrice29

[saintant]

1 minute ago, Fabrice29 said:

Okay cool, him and Cornet up top today then. Finally a run of starts for them both.

Why Cornet out of interest or is this a facetious comment based on him not having started many games? If so it's not relevant because he has no track record as a goal scorer.

[Whitey Grandad]

47 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

I know you are struggling to cope at the moment but you need to get over it, he’s gone and most sensible people are delighted.

He got us promoted not through his tactical style or skill because he only has one, we were promoted because the worst goalkeeper in the division was injured so he had to reduce the suicidal passing at the back.

I admit the I believed that we would not be promoted with RM but it was more to do with luck that we were.
 

You now need to admit that your ridiculous support of the obvious mess RM has put us in was wrong, try it you might feel better by doing so, the truth will set you free.

 

 

 

Although that "worst goalkeeper in the division" is one of the reasons that we got into the playoffs. 

[Fabrice29]

1 minute ago, saintant said:

Why Cornet out of interest or is this a facetious comment based on him not having started many games? If so it's not relevant because he has no track record as a goal scorer.

Its facetious but I would also point out for a man who has "no track record as a goal scorer" he's got more PL goals and goals at St Marys then Onuachu. But not relevant etc.

[Whitey Grandad]

He needs help up front. He can't do much on his own.

What matters now is where we go from here,  not how we got here.

[saintant]

1 minute ago, Fabrice29 said:

Its facetious but I would also point out for a man who has "no track record as a goal scorer" he's got more PL goals and goals at St Marys then Onuachu. But not relevant etc.

Has he started the same number of Premier League games and matches at St Marys as Onuachu? If not it's not a fair comparison so not relevant.

[Weston Super Saint]

3 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Its facetious but I would also point out for a man who has "no track record as a goal scorer" he's got more PL goals and goals at St Marys then Onuachu. But not relevant etc.

He also has more goals than Messi.

Not sure your point is quite the blockbuster you clearly think it is.

[Matthew Le God]

2 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

He also has more goals than Messi.

Not sure your point is quite the blockbuster you clearly think it is.

Doesn't really work when Messi has not played a single game in the PL or at St Mary's and both Cornet and Onuachu have.

[Weston Super Saint]

1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said:

Doesn't really work when Messi has not played a single game in the PL or at St Mary's and both Cornet and Onuachu have.

Congrats. You managed to get the point. That's pretty good for you.

[saintant]

Just now, Matthew Le God said:

Doesn't really work when Messi has not played a single game in the PL or at St Mary's and both Cornet and Onuachu have.

It works as well as the comparison between Onuachu and Cornet unless their number of starts are identical which they aren't.