Paul Onuachu

[Chez]

 

3 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

I’m not even talking about survival I’m talking about watching someone that might hopefully be better than the current shite we’ve got.

I hear you and understand where you are coming from, but if these are my choices:

a) sign a player on loan that is better than Onuachu and we win three games but still go down

b) sign no one in this window and go down winning one more league game, but the extra couple of million saved enables us to outbid Leicester in the summer for a striker we both want and we go on to get promotion

...I go for b).

 

[SambaMaverick]

2 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Which would be bad business, as would sacking a 2nd manager like the last time we were here. 

I don't think you're understanding me so I'm going to stop replying now 

[Fabrice29]

1 minute ago, Chez said:

 

I hear you and understand where you are coming from, but if these are my choices:

a) sign a player on loan that is better than Onuachu and we win three games but still go down

b) sign no one in this window and go down winning one more league game, but the extra couple of million saved enables us to outbid Leicester in the summer for a striker we both want and we go on to get promotion

...I go for b).

 

Right but that’s not quite the way it works though is it. Not only does only winning one game have consequences this season like potentially having to replace another manager but also imagine calling up said striker and saying ‘hey, yeah I know we were really shit last year and Leicester put up a fight of sorts and seem more appealing but we went through all that so we could chuck some more cash your way’ it isn’t quite the pull you think it is.

[Fabrice29]

1 minute ago, SambaMaverick said:

I don't think you're understanding me so I'm going to stop replying now 

I’m understanding that you’re not going to turn up anymore if performances don’t improve and I’m suggesting that one way to improve it might be buying some new players rather than relying on ones who have yet to do so.

[trousers]

10 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Right but that’s not quite the way it works though is it. Not only does only winning one game have consequences this season like potentially having to replace another manager but also imagine calling up said striker and saying ‘hey, yeah I know we were really shit last year and Leicester put up a fight of sorts and seem more appealing but we went through all that so we could chuck some more cash your way’ it isn’t quite the pull you think it is.

Good job we've got a fantastic "recruitment department" then, rather than having to rely upon Saintsweb members who know zilch about such matters (apparently) to convince players to join us...

Edited Monday at 22:02 by trousers

[Chez]

23 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Right but that’s not quite the way it works though is it. Not only does only winning one game have consequences this season like potentially having to replace another manager but also imagine calling up said striker and saying ‘hey, yeah I know we were really shit last year and Leicester put up a fight of sorts and seem more appealing but we went through all that so we could chuck some more cash your way’ it isn’t quite the pull you think it is.

Yes, that's exactly how it works. Hence Callum O'Hare moving from Coventry to Sheffield United last summer despite them being similarly shit in the Prem. Money talks. 

[Fabrice29]

21 minutes ago, Chez said:

Yes, that's exactly how it works. Hence Callum O'Hare moving from Coventry to Sheffield United last summer despite them being similarly shit in the Prem. Money talks. 

I’m not sure he’s a great example based on his team whoring himself to loads of clubs including us since last January but sure, point taken. Maybe the perfect striker is out there waiting to be chucked a few quid and I’ll be reminding myself of that as we continue to lump balls up to Onuachu from February to no success. 

[trousers]

11 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Maybe the perfect striker is out there waiting to be chucked a few quid and I’ll be reminding myself of that as we continue to lump balls up to Onuachu from February to no success

When reminding yourself that such a striker might have been out there, will you also be reminding yourself that they might not...?

[East Kent Saint]

6 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

I’m not sure he’s a great example based on his team whoring himself to loads of clubs including us since last January but sure, point taken. Maybe the perfect striker is out there waiting to be chucked a few quid and I’ll be reminding myself of that as we continue to lump balls up to Onuachu from February to no success. 

Chris Wood has had a good season so far after being moved on !

[Osvaldorama]

I really thought that Onuachu deserved a run of games to see what he’s got. 
 

Turns out he’s not got a lot. Another shocking signing really wasn’t he. 

Although I do still feel like even Erling haaland would struggle in this team. He’s not been given much service at all.

Our recruitment is sooooooooo bad. I agree we shouldn’t even try in Jan. May as well save as much cash as possible and really go for the championship imo. 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 minute ago, Osvaldorama said:

I really thought that Onuachu deserved a run of games to see what he’s got. 
 

Turns out he’s not got a lot. Another shocking signing really wasn’t he. 

Although I do still feel like even Erling haaland would struggle in this team. He’s not been given much service at all.

Our recruitment is sooooooooo bad. I agree we shouldn’t even try in Jan. May as well save as much cash as possible and really go for the championship imo. 

He really is another level of absolute shite. Makes Adams looks half decent, that's how bad he is. A professional footballer should not be blowing out of his arse after 60 minutes playing.

[Saint Fan CaM]

49 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

He really is another level of absolute shite. Makes Adams looks half decent, that's how bad he is. A professional footballer should not be blowing out of his arse after 60 minutes playing.

Understand the frustration, but that’s contradictory to what many on here are saying in that skill is secondary and effort is everything (or similar). TP at least looks like he’s trying his hardest - whether he is at optimum fitness might be a question, but I’d say he’s at least trying to use whatever he’s got in the tank. Not sure you can say the same of Aribo and others mind.

Edited Tuesday at 10:27 by Saint Fan CaM

[Dark Munster]

18 hours ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

He really is another level of absolute shite. Makes Adams looks half decent, that's how bad he is. A professional footballer should not be blowing out of his arse after 60 minutes playing.

Look no further than Russell Martin why that is true. 

[Lighthouse]

8 hours ago, Dark Munster said:

Look no further than Russell Martin why that is true. 

Come the next league (Man Utd) game Martin will have been gone five weeks. You’re going to need to think of a new excuse for why he doesn’t look fit.

[Chez]

8 hours ago, Dark Munster said:

Look no further than Russell Martin why that is true. 

yeah, because he looked like a ultramarathon runner when he first joined from Genk. 

[Osvaldorama]

7 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Come the next league (Man Utd) game Martin will have been gone five weeks. You’re going to need to think of a new excuse for why he doesn’t look fit.

This is an extremely dumb post  

You can’t snap your fingers and make someone fit .

Not having a preseason will affect you for the whole season. Let alone having half the season off on a jolly under a shite manager 

[danjosaint]

As above,  it's well known you don't generally get fitter once seasons underway, preseason is massive in terms of fitness 

[Wade Garrett]

I’ve changed my kind on him.  I would take the money now if it’s offered.  Struggle to believe he scored so much in Belgium because he looks fucking garbage in front of goal.  The rest of his game isn’t great either.

We have to be more than lumping up to Lurch.

[Lymington Saint]

Brian Clough on Centre Forwards

'Get hold of the ball, keep it because it is yours, then give it to someone who can play'

Problem is that the ball seems to bounce off him most of the time, and when he does get hold of it he rarely makes decent passes.

[Challenger]

These owners certainly know how to piss money away on crap players, got it down to a fine art I'd say.

[tdmickey3]

2 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

I’ve changed my kind on him.  I would take the money now if it’s offered.  Struggle to believe he scored so much in Belgium because he looks fucking garbage in front of goal.  The rest of his game isn’t great either.

We have to be more than lumping up to Lurch.

We do have more, kicking at Armstrong, who if he gets it tries to run fast with it but its just his legs moving in lots of short strides to try to make it look fast

[Lighthouse]

2 hours ago, Osvaldorama said:

This is an extremely dumb post  

You can’t snap your fingers and make someone fit .

Not having a preseason will affect you for the whole season. Let alone having half the season off on a jolly under a shite manager 

 

2 hours ago, danjosaint said:

As above,  it's well known you don't generally get fitter once seasons underway, preseason is massive in terms of fitness 

Pre-season is massive because generally speaking footballers go away in May and drink copious amounts of alcohol in Marbella, with Only Fans girls for a month. They come back at the start of July and have roughly five weeks to get match fit for the start of the season. If every other footballer in the country can go from zero to match fit in five weeks, then it’s clearly enough time for Onuachu to recover from whatever you think Martin has done to him.

Players recover from injuries mid-season and get fit all the time. If TP can’t that’s on him.

[Lord Duckhunter]

5 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

 

Pre-season is massive because generally speaking footballers go away in May and drink copious amounts of alcohol in Marbella, with Only Fans girls for a month. They come back at the start of July and have roughly five weeks to get match fit for the start of the season. If every other footballer in the country can go from zero to match fit in five weeks, then it’s clearly enough time for Onuachu to recover from whatever you think Martin has done to him.

Players recover from injuries mid-season and get fit all the time. If TP can’t that’s on him.

#clueless 

[Lighthouse]

2 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

#clueless 

You can’t think of a reason why I’m wrong, can you?
 

Look, I get it, you’re upset because you’ve been beating the ‘Lego is the worst manager ever and it’s all his fault’ drum and now he’s gone everything is still sh*t. If preseasons are so important, why didn’t Juric put him on a special ‘preseason plan’, whatever that entails, when he was first appointed? He’d be fully fit by the time we play United.

[OldNick]

19 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

 

Pre-season is massive because generally speaking footballers go away in May and drink copious amounts of alcohol in Marbella, with Only Fans girls for a month. They come back at the start of July and have roughly five weeks to get match fit for the start of the season. If every other footballer in the country can go from zero to match fit in five weeks, then it’s clearly enough time for Onuachu to recover from whatever you think Martin has done to him.

Players recover from injuries mid-season and get fit all the time. If TP can’t that’s on him.

its not just about getting fit, its getting proper match time that gets you up to speed. TP really hasn,t had the minutes. VVD and Konate were given a torrid time against us, until he went off and Snow Whites kids came on

[OldNick]

3 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

Come the next league (Man Utd) game Martin will have been gone five weeks. You’re going to need to think of a new excuse for why he doesn’t look fit.

Do you think Crouch ever looked like an athlete? A big mn like them look awkward. He had an injury that kept him out a few games and so hes not fully ready. Crikey, he;s been the only excitement in games weve had in months so why kick him. When hes on the ball you can feel the fans get a lift

[Lord Duckhunter]

36 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

If preseasons are so important, why didn’t Juric put him on a special ‘preseason plan’, whatever that entails, when he was first appointed? He’d be fully fit by the time we play United.

Don’t be so ridiculous. I know you’ve made a bit of a tit of yourself defending the worst top flight manager we’ve ever had, but you can’t have a lackadaisical approach to fitness through preseason and up to Xmas, and then suddenly have another “pre season”. That’s a recipe for injuries and not the way elite footballers maintain match fitness. 
 

However much you try to spin it, the whole side don’t look fit enough and that’s 100% down to your man. 

[Lighthouse]

9 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Don’t be so ridiculous. I know you’ve made a bit of a tit of yourself defending the worst top flight manager we’ve ever had, but you can’t have a lackadaisical approach to fitness through preseason and up to Xmas, and then suddenly have another “pre season”. That’s a recipe for injuries and not the way elite footballers maintain match fitness. 
 

However much you try to spin it, the whole side don’t look fit enough and that’s 100% down to your man. 

Sure you can, why not? Send TP away to Dubai, Qatar or wherever with a fitness coach, get him doing whatever special fitness thing (I don’t actually know what it is, perhaps you can explain) he should have done in summer but is impossible to do mid-season.

[saintant]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

 

Pre-season is massive because generally speaking footballers go away in May and drink copious amounts of alcohol in Marbella, with Only Fans girls for a month. They come back at the start of July and have roughly five weeks to get match fit for the start of the season. If every other footballer in the country can go from zero to match fit in five weeks, then it’s clearly enough time for Onuachu to recover from whatever you think Martin has done to him.

Players recover from injuries mid-season and get fit all the time. If TP can’t that’s on him.

Totally wrong I'm afraid. If the work is not done in pre-season all players will perform below the required elite level fitness all season. 

[Doctoroncall]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

 

Pre-season is massive because generally speaking footballers go away in May and drink copious amounts of alcohol in Marbella, with Only Fans girls for a month. They come back at the start of July and have roughly five weeks to get match fit for the start of the season. If every other footballer in the country can go from zero to match fit in five weeks, then it’s clearly enough time for Onuachu to recover from whatever you think Martin has done to him.

Players recover from injuries mid-season and get fit all the time. If TP can’t that’s on him.

Football has moved on since that type of 1980’s behaviour. 

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

Yes he's not particularly good; yes he's certainly not fit enough but I still want to see him and Archer in the same team from the beginning.

I'll qualify that and say it's not a dream front pairing, but given our options (eg. AA, Sulemana, BBD), surely it's worth a go. 

[Osvaldorama]

2 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

 

Pre-season is massive because generally speaking footballers go away in May and drink copious amounts of alcohol in Marbella, with Only Fans girls for a month. They come back at the start of July and have roughly five weeks to get match fit for the start of the season. If every other footballer in the country can go from zero to match fit in five weeks, then it’s clearly enough time for Onuachu to recover from whatever you think Martin has done to him.

Players recover from injuries mid-season and get fit all the time. If TP can’t that’s on him.

And where are the players going to have time to get their additional fitness training in between matches?

 

You haven’t thought about this or played much football yourself, have you?

 

In fairness, TP has never been fit enough to last 90 the whole time he’s been here. So I have a feeling he’s just not up the demands of the PL physically. 
 

However there are definitely other players that Martin has negatively impacted imo 

 

 

[Convict Colony]

2 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

 

Pre-season is massive because generally speaking footballers go away in May and drink copious amounts of alcohol in Marbella, with Only Fans girls for a month. They come back at the start of July and have roughly five weeks to get match fit for the start of the season. If every other footballer in the country can go from zero to match fit in five weeks, then it’s clearly enough time for Onuachu to recover from whatever you think Martin has done to him.

Players recover from injuries mid-season and get fit all the time. If TP can’t that’s on him.

How to make me hate footballers more, although our team would still have trouble scoring.

[Turkish]

2 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

 

Pre-season is massive because generally speaking footballers go away in May and drink copious amounts of alcohol in Marbella, with Only Fans girls for a month. They come back at the start of July and have roughly five weeks to get match fit for the start of the season. If every other footballer in the country can go from zero to match fit in five weeks, then it’s clearly enough time for Onuachu to recover from whatever you think Martin has done to him.

Players recover from injuries mid-season and get fit all the time. If TP can’t that’s on him.

it's not 1978 anymore pal. The days of footballs coming back from the summer 2 stone over weight are long gone.

[Lighthouse]

Good grief, this is just silly. If footballers get injured, they get fit again. If they are out of shape, they get in shape with strict adherence to a specifically tailored diet and fitness programme. It’s not rocket science, Jan Bednarek was out injured - couldn’t play or train properly at all - for a solid month after the autumn internationals and yet here he is, magically fit again without having to do another preseason. You can all sit here and pretend that Martin’s training sessions were worse than a month long injury if you like, I won’t be joining you.

Paul Onuachu is unfit because Paul Onuachu is unfit. Same as Jordy Clasie and a few others always were.

[Lighthouse]

5 minutes ago, Turkish said:

it's not 1978 anymore pal. The days of footballs coming back from the summer 2 stone over weight are long gone.

No but they are very, very, very obviously less match fit than they were the day Martin got sacked. They’re not fat but they haven’t trained properly for a solid month at least.

[Dark Munster]

[CB Fry]

5 hours ago, Turkish said:

it's not 1978 anymore pal. The days of footballs coming back from the summer 2 stone over weight are long gone.

Surely steak and chips and four pints of light ale at midday on match day still happening though

Edited 18 hours ago by CB Fry

[Weston Super Saint]

7 hours ago, CB Fry said:

Surely steak and chips and four pints of light ale at midday on match day still happening though

And limited to just 20 Rothmans a day, you know, to keep the fitness levels up.

[OldNick]

16 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

Sure you can, why not? Send TP away to Dubai, Qatar or wherever with a fitness coach, get him doing whatever special fitness thing (I don’t actually know what it is, perhaps you can explain) he should have done in summer but is impossible to do mid-season.

OMG so send off our main centre forward option for a couple of weeks. Its incredible, that won't give him match sharpness. All the professionals would tell you that training is ok, but it is match sharpness is the most important thing. Running up and down a beach isnt the way

[OldNick]

9 hours ago, CB Fry said:

Surely steak and chips and four pints of light ale at midday on match day still happening though

Not since the Winston was closed I fear

[Chez]

6 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

And limited to just 20 Rothmans a day, you know, to keep the fitness levels up.

I heard Martin banned Rothmans and running. He made the players smoke Players Navy Cut and sit in deck chairs throughout training so they could watch him and the other coaches have a kick about. A fit player means a mobile player with the potential for forward passes. He wasn't having that.