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6 hours ago, Give it to Ron said:

Wasn’t he injured?

Got injured in the Oxford friendly, which must have killed the deal. Benfica then signed left winger Muhammed Kerem Aktürkoğlu.

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2 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

For those clubs to be interested in him they must either have not seen him play or be utterly deluded.

or they were equally impressed by what he was doing at Stade Rennes and think Saints are possibly the problem.

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8 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Not so bad after all is he? 😆

He's been fucking useless for two years mate. Calm down

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3 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

He's been fucking useless for two years mate. Calm down

You are completely correct but potentially interesting if he has a bit of sustained success. We may then have to ask the question how much of his crap performances were down to Russ ball. 

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Posted (edited)
7 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

He's been fucking useless for two years mate. Calm down

Do you think he was suited to the slow possession football Martin used? I don't.

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Juric keeps playing him. Maybe we wont loan him out after all unless a requirement to buy is included in the deal.

Posted
22 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Do you think he was suited to the slow possession football Martin used? I don't.

He hasn't been shit just under Russell Martin though.

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Posted (edited)
11 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

It was a tactical mess before Martinball under Jones and Selles which didn't help. 

Let's remember we were playing a below average for the Championship and under strength Swansea team.

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47 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

He's been fucking useless for two years mate. Calm down

I know we had this kinda debate with Adam Armstrong in the prem and I’ll give you that one ;). But sulemana  didn’t really have much of a run under Martin .. was injured for a fair chunk of last season and didn’t force his way back in .. this year he got the odd 5 mins here and there before juric came in ..

still not sure how good he is tbh but he’s definitely not as bad as a lot of people make out.. I think if he was a academy player of the same age he would be treated a lot different 

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Posted
17 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Let's remember we were playing a below average for the Championship and under strength Swansea team.

True, but that chip for the goal was either a fluke or very very well weighted. I'm in a good mood, so I'm going for well weighted and hoping he can do some more like this ... (and yes I know, a good keeper wouldn't have been in that position)

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19 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

I know we had this kinda debate with Adam Armstrong in the prem and I’ll give you that one ;). But sulemana  didn’t really have much of a run under Martin .. was injured for a fair chunk of last season and didn’t force his way back in .. this year he got the odd 5 mins here and there before juric came in ..

still not sure how good he is tbh but he’s definitely not as bad as a lot of people make out.. I think if he was a academy player of the same age he would be treated a lot different 

He's had less of a chance than Adam Armstrong, I will 100% give you that - but at least Adam Armstrong delivers consistently at the level below.

If Sulemana scores two at Old Trafford or two at The City Ground (or two in total in those two games) then let's talk 👍 

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Posted

To be fair he put in a real shift today, possibly for the first time in a Saints shirt. More than likely because he knows teams are interested in him. Helps us though. 

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5 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

To be fair he put in a real shift today, possibly for the first time in a Saints shirt. More than likely because he knows teams are interested in him. Helps us though. 

That’s the thing that rankles most. Puts in a shift now the windows open, where’s that been for 2 years. 

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I'm delighted for the lad, what a performance from him today. He would be fully justified in waving two fingers at all his vitriolic detractors on here who never see any good in any of our players.

Let's see if I can predict their demeaning responses………… Nah! Can't be bothered.

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I thought he was one of our better players before he got injured last season, and obvs after that he didn't get a look in.  Hopefully today's performance and Juric being manager will give him a shot in the arm and he'll build from here.  He's got the natural attributes and can beat his man, just needssome composure with his final decision making

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17 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said:

I'm delighted for the lad, what a performance from him today. He would be fully justified in waving two fingers at all his vitriolic detractors on here who never see any good in any of our players.

Let's see if I can predict their demeaning responses………… Nah! Can't be bothered.


Our manager just said Sulemana was out of shape when he arrived. 
 

Seems the detractors about both Sulemana and Martin were correct, actually. Poor management & poor from him. 
 

A good performance against swansea’s reserves doesn’t change anything. He has to show it where it matters. 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Barsiem said:

I thought he was one of our better players before he got injured last season, and obvs after that he didn't get a look in.  Hopefully today's performance and Juric being manager will give him a shot in the arm and he'll build from here.  He's got the natural attributes and can beat his man, just needssome composure with his final decision making

Players seem to become worse in many fans eyes when they are not getting consistent starts.. look at Abk looked a star in the making under hssenhuttl yet now gets talked about like he was a useless buy .. bad attitudes could also be due to not being in the managers plans I prefer to judge on what I see on the pitch 

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Osvaldorama said:

Our manager just said Sulemana was out of shape when he arrived. 

Really? Hard to believe given Martin's SAS-like fitness regime.... ;)

(But inadequate fitness levels have definitely not contributed to our poor results this season.... No-sir-ee)

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1 hour ago, Osvaldorama said:


Our manager just said Sulemana was out of shape when he arrived. 
 

Seems the detractors about both Sulemana and Martin were correct, actually. Poor management & poor from him. 
 

A good performance against swansea’s reserves doesn’t change anything. He has to show it where it matters. 

Along with most of the squad.

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I really hope under Jurić that we will see Sulemana at his best. He really put a shift in today and a cool lobbed finish to cap it off and an assist for Tyler 😊

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Strange how he finally put a shift in on the weekend news broke that Genoa want him .

lets hope he did enough for then to part with the reported £16 million .

the only other time he’s looked ok was the friendly against Liverpool the last time we were relegated where he probably thought he would get a move that summer too. 

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11 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said:

I'm delighted for the lad, what a performance from him today. He would be fully justified in waving two fingers at all his vitriolic detractors on here who never see any good in any of our players.

Let's see if I can predict their demeaning responses………… Nah! Can't be bothered.

Two fingers?  Still got a way to go before he can do that.

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Posted
13 hours ago, Harry_SFC said:

To be fair he put in a real shift today, possibly for the first time in a Saints shirt. More than likely because he knows teams are interested in him. Helps us though. 

Complete bollocks. He always tries. Although he does look like the sort of player that often gets labelled "lazy" for some reason....

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Seems a bit like Che in front of goal - give him time to shoot/place the ball and he kicks it like a 5 year old. A blind 5 year old.

Put him in a situation that just relies on instinct and you get the lob as per yesterday.

 

Posted
20 hours ago, Chez said:

or they were equally impressed by what he was doing at Stade Rennes and think Saints are possibly the problem.

Sulemana? He wasn't exactly pulling up trees there.

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49 minutes ago, benjii said:

Complete bollocks. He always tries. Although he does look like the sort of player that often gets labelled "lazy" for some reason....

If that's what you see then fair enough. My view is there's been a lot of games where off the ball he's been a complete liability with low work ethic. Got absolutely nothing to do with anything else. 

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Credit to him. He fully deserved the MotM yesterday. I'll forgive the misses, and ignore the fact that the opposition were pretty dreadful - can only beat what's in front of you, and he was responsible for most of the good attacks we had.

I thought he did a great job chasing down the keeper. Half-running then bursting into a sprint just as he got closer. Swans keeper seemed to crap his pants every time, underestimating his actual speed.

Tough call. If he plays like that every week, I'd love to keep him.  But that's a seriously big IF given what we've seen of him in 2 years. Can always hope.

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i will give Sully that you can only beat what is in front of you and he did well against an absolute shit Swansea. I am not convinced by one reasonable performance by him. He has been appalling in pretty much every game he has ever featured in and to gloss over this just because he was reasonable against a makeshift Swansea defence would be very foolish. I would love hime to prove us all wrong and show us all he is the next best thing but i'm telling you now he is no Premiership player! There is a reason the club have him up for sale!!!

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6 hours ago, IFHP said:

Strange how he finally put a shift in on the weekend news broke that Genoa want him .

lets hope he did enough for then to part with the reported £16 million .

the only other time he’s looked ok was the friendly against Liverpool the last time we were relegated where he probably thought he would get a move that summer too. 

 

3 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

It would be just like saints to finally get Sulemana to a place where he can contribute positively only to sell him at the end of this window. 

:Lets have some perspective here, he had a good game against an awful Swansea team, it's the first good game he's had in nearly 2 years. 

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10 minutes ago, Turkish said:

 

 

:Lets have some perspective here, he had a good game against an awful Swansea team, it's the first good game he's had in nearly 2 years. 

I do think, playing centrally in one of those forward roles off the shoulder is what suits him best though (as it does with Armstorng, Archer, BBD etc.)

I don't think he has the technical skill to play on the wing as gets too isolated and when dropping deep to collect the ball doesn't have the skill to beat a man or 2. 

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2 hours ago, Turkish said:

 

 

:Lets have some perspective here, he had a good game against an awful Swansea team, it's the first good game he's had in nearly 2 years. 

I wasn't suggesting this is the start of him being good, simply saying that if this does signal a turnaround, it would be very like saints to ship him off and watch him tear it up elsewhere. 

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9 hours ago, BARCELONASAINT said:

i will give Sully that you can only beat what is in front of you and he did well against an absolute shit Swansea. I am not convinced by one reasonable performance by him. He has been appalling in pretty much every game he has ever featured in and to gloss over this just because he was reasonable against a makeshift Swansea defence would be very foolish. I would love hime to prove us all wrong and show us all he is the next best thing but i'm telling you now he is no Premiership player! There is a reason the club have him up for sale!!!

Lol reasonable makes his performance sound ok .. not only did he score a totally class chip he set up diblings  goal .. played a perfect lofted ball to kwp which kwp should have scored and beat players for fun getting shots off .. to call that only reasonable seems like you really don’t wanna give any credit 

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11 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Lol reasonable makes his performance sound ok .. not only did he score a totally class chip he set up diblings  goal .. played a perfect lofted ball to kwp which kwp should have scored and beat players for fun getting shots off .. to call that only reasonable seems like you really don’t wanna give any credit 

But it cant be classed as any better as it was against an awful Swansea side, virtually every other appearance he has been terrible, lets see if he can reproduce it regularly

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Posted this video when Juric joined given he is a gasperini disciple and suggested Sully could fill the Lookman role in the team.  Given how he has played him i think he is going that direction - Video from the attacking combinations timestamp

 

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13 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Lol reasonable makes his performance sound ok .. not only did he score a totally class chip he set up diblings  goal .. played a perfect lofted ball to kwp which kwp should have scored and beat players for fun getting shots off .. to call that only reasonable seems like you really don’t wanna give any credit 

Were they shots? I assumed he was kicking the ball out of play due to an on field injury.

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On 13/01/2025 at 11:40, Turkish said:

 

 

:Lets have some perspective here, he had a good game against an awful Swansea team, it's the first good game he's had in nearly 2 years. 

To quote the great Sidney "Syd" Deane:

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22 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

played a perfect lofted ball to kwp which kwp should have scored

Was that the pass that came down with snow on it?

Against that Swansea team, he was still doing too many Redmond style stepovers and slowing the attack down. He does one lucky lob, gets past a defender once to get his assist off to Tyler Dib and people think he had a good game.

Tall Paul with Archer playing off him up front would have had 5 goals in the first 25 minutes against that team. Given someone wrote Juric was so excited after Sule scored that he went charging down to the Family Stand waving his knob around in delight, one can only think he kept TP out the team because he didn't want to be outdone if Paul scored a hat-trick!

 

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10 hours ago, Mr X said:

Might be harsh but He's only put in the effort recently for his move in my opinion 

First 13 games, Martin played him for a total of 17 minutes. You must have a good eye to see that he wasn't trying in the 2 minutes he got against Brighton.

Juric has played him for 17, 25, 55 and 67 minutes in the last four games. A bit more time to get a sweat on.

 

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12 hours ago, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said:

Was that the pass that came down with snow on it?

Against that Swansea team, he was still doing too many Redmond style stepovers and slowing the attack down. He does one lucky lob, gets past a defender once to get his assist off to Tyler Dib and people think he had a good game.

Tall Paul with Archer playing off him up front would have had 5 goals in the first 25 minutes against that team. Given someone wrote Juric was so excited after Sule scored that he went charging down to the Family Stand waving his knob around in delight, one can only think he kept TP out the team because he didn't want to be outdone if Paul scored a hat-trick!

 

Snow on it or not it it still set up a clear goal scoring chance that kwp should have finished .. sully really should have been walking away with a goal and two assists 

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On 14/01/2025 at 08:11, tdmickey3 said:

But it cant be classed as any better as it was against an awful Swansea side, virtually every other appearance he has been terrible, lets see if he can reproduce it regularly

Nah he has good games but people just don’t like to remember them the  3-3 Tottenham game and Liverpool games last time we where in the prem. wasn’t there a championship match he got three assists ?

the Tottenham game I mentioned he made a couple of great runs from a central position so it’s interesting that he played so well from a central position this time . When he runs at defenders from central he has more option to go either side instead of hugging the touch line ..  

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