OldNick Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 This takes the biscuit that we cant even hold onto our young players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkeith Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 Just we you thought you couldn't feel any worse about Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 Where is this from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 A couple of things, Jones don’t play academy players and maybe he’s waiting for better terms from Saints. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 What a fucking shambles this club is at the moment. Wonder if this is linked to the manager. He’s got no interest in the development of the youth players. You’d hope he’d learned from Dibling, but maybe not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 (edited) SR are more interested in players from other club's academies than our own. Edited 24 January, 2023 by once_bitterne 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 Sad but you can't blame the club on this one. Sounds like he's being poorly advised, as there's realistically no better place for him to be right now if he is that good a prospect. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 1 minute ago, Saint Garrett said: What a fucking shambles this club is at the moment. Wonder if this is linked to the manager. He’s got no interest in the development of the youth players. You’d hope he’d learned from Dibling, but maybe not. How do you know the manager has no interest in developing youth players? What a ridiculous statement to just pluck from the sky. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 24 January, 2023 Author Share Posted 24 January, 2023 6 minutes ago, once_bitterne said: Where is this from? It is on Sky sports 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SambaMaverick Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 Awful news, but we can't afford to throw him in right now I guess. It'll be interesting to see what SR do about it, as it seems to fly in the face of everything they're about. They'll probably pay £10m for the City equivalent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 Shambles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 (edited) Always going to be the problem when getting kids to sign their first contract. He’s been playing u18 and will get attention from other clubs. They just have bigger budgets to store kids than we do. Someone is obviously prepared to offer him higher wages, maybe he needs to have a word with Dibbling? At 16/17 you can’t expect to be first team ready so realistically it’s about another year with u18 and then either a loan or pushing for the first team squad then. you always hope kids are loyal when signing their first pro deal to the club who has developed them over the years but clearly not always the case. Edited 24 January, 2023 by EBS1980 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabrice29 Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 6 minutes ago, Pilchards said: A couple of things, Jones don’t play academy players and maybe he’s waiting for better terms from Saints. 4 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said: What a fucking shambles this club is at the moment. Wonder if this is linked to the manager. He’s got no interest in the development of the youth players. You’d hope he’d learned from Dibling, but maybe not. The absolute state of these two 😂 Imagine being so utterly obsessed with hating one person that a report from a proven unreliable source about a 17 year old boy is all they need to desperately froth at the mouth. I think I’ve told one of you before, take some time away, when the fun stops, stop. 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 Just now, Fabrice29 said: The absolute state of these two 😂 Imagine being so utterly obsessed with hating one person that a report from a proven unreliable source about a 17 year old boy is all they need to desperately froth at the mouth. I think I’ve told one of you before, take some time away, when the fun stops, stop. Try ALT + F4👍 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 We can't even keep hold of the revitalised academy gems in the premier league. Imagine what will happen in the 2nd tier. SR should be all over this, some of the best u18s in the country are at staplewood, no need to spend tens of millions on other club's hand offs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 Oh dear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 (edited) This is a big problem. If we can't get our most promising academy players to sign professional contracts with us, it raises some serious questions about the viability of us having an academy. It costs a fortune to maintain a category 1 academy and we've not been reaping many benefits these past few years. On another note, will we lose our category 1 academy status when we get relegated? Edited 28 January, 2023 by Disco Stu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 Very likely has been tapped up if not him his agent (parents) looking for a wedge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 Im hoping this is complete nonsense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 1 minute ago, derry said: Very likely has been tapped up if not him his agent (parents) looking for a wedge. Well that's utterly wrong and shouldn't be allowed to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SotonianWill Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 Just now, davefizzy14 said: Well that's utterly wrong and shouldn't be allowed to happen. disgraceful. we should do this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 3 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: This is a big problem. If we can't get our most promising academy players to sign professional contracts with us, it raises some serious questions about the viability of us having an Academy. It costs a fortune to maintain a category 1 academy and we've not been reaping many benefits these last few years. On another note, will be lose our category 1 academy status when we get relegated,? Dont think so, there are a bunch of clubs in lower divisions I think who are category 1. Not sure exactly how it works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 9 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said: The absolute state of these two 😂 Imagine being so utterly obsessed with hating one person that a report from a proven unreliable source about a 17 year old boy is all they need to desperately froth at the mouth. I think I’ve told one of you before, take some time away, when the fun stops, stop. Havn’t you just been throwing your toys out the pram because of a podcast you don’t like ? Odd one you mate 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 Like or not, Saints are in the biggest relegation fight for years and Jones faces the spectre of being remembered as the bloke who took us down. In these circumstances the chances of Academy players getting a run out are pretty much zero. Morgan should not get ahead of himself, yes he finds the net at B level regularly but the PL is miles above the level he is used to. The key to his situation like Ballard's and others is head down and work even harder, put in the graft and show the determination and grit that the manager wants to see from any player. There are no free passes to a place in a PL side or indeed any of the Football League clubs so if this young man has deluded himself into thinking that life will be easier and fairer at another club then he is in for a very big shock indeed. OK so none of us know the facts; it could be that he is not happy here for personal reasons and I am happy to give him the benefit of the doubt but otherwise he would be well advised to sign a contract and get on with the hard work. After all what can he lose by staying here for a couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 Arsenal, Man City & Leeds want him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archers Road Stand Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 https://twitter.com/AlfieHouseEcho/status/1617878623306002433?t=MyxSDdFNobDqfPnF_oMJLA&s=19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ldnsaint Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 he turned 17 last week, I can't believe some are blaming the club for not playing him in the first team 😂 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 (edited) As disappointing as this is, how are we supposed to persuade a kid to commit his next few years to us when we're staring at relegation, when other clubs are circulating and doubtless offering the kid loads of cash? Answers on a postcard for what is expected of the club. Edited 24 January, 2023 by egg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 Some you win some you lose - it’s his choice. The wrong one if you ask me but thars life. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 16 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said: The absolute state of these two 😂 Imagine being so utterly obsessed with hating one person that a report from a proven unreliable source about a 17 year old boy is all they need to desperately froth at the mouth. I think I’ve told one of you before, take some time away, when the fun stops, stop. Hi Always. Wondered what you’d pop up again as Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 https://www.londonworld.com/sport/football/arsenal/arsenal-leeds-united-and-man-city-weighing-up-swoop-for-southampton-prospect-3999092 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 Just now, Toadhall Saint said: Some you win some you lose - it’s his choice. The wrong one if you ask me but thars life. Play him against Blackpool this weekend. See what he has got. We did that with Small against Coventry last year. He was so far out of his depth that he was never seen again. If he smashes it up then we know what we are looking at. Personally don't see the issue with playing him. He's only a year younger than Edozie, and he's not exactly been a relevation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Curse of St Mary's Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 Maybe he feels the pathway would be clearer elsewhere? We've finally got our academy back thriving and that has seen B team fortune's also upturn but where do they go from there ? The first team are hoofing it and play such negative football so it's hardly inspiring for these youngsters to stick around. Playbook totally redundant under this manager imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osvaldorama Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 Who cares? Guys 17. Clearly won’t fulfil his talent if he all he cares about is signing a big contract at this age. Will be one of many who gets too big for his boots and ends up nowhere near the top level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 2 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: Play him against Blackpool this weekend. See what he has got. We did that with Small against Coventry last year. He was so far out of his depth that he was never seen again. If he smashes it up then we know what we are looking at. Personally don't see the issue with playing him. He's only a year younger than Edozie, and he's not exactly been a relevation. I know that some of the extremely talented players coming through were unimpressed with the first team opportunities provided to them by Ralph and NJ coming in has not improved matters to date. This is exactly the sort of game to give a young player a start. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 10 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: Play him against Blackpool this weekend. See what he has got. We did that with Small against Coventry last year. He was so far out of his depth that he was never seen again. If he smashes it up then we know what we are looking at. Personally don't see the issue with playing him. He's only a year younger than Edozie, and he's not exactly been a relevation. Sounds a good idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maysie Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 Stupid fucking name 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 1 hour ago, Ldnsaint said: he turned 17 last week, I can't believe some are blaming the club for not playing him in the first team 😂 I see no reason why he can't play vs Blackpool on Saturday. That's where we should be experimenting, not EPL. Give him and Tyler, Dom a run against Blackpool. If they aren't up to it, they will know it themselves and knuckle down. But imagine if they were to shine ... then maybe they go to next level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 If City take him he'll probably return in a couple years, given our recent recruitment record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 24 January, 2023 Author Share Posted 24 January, 2023 31 minutes ago, the saint in winchester said: I see no reason why he can't play vs Blackpool on Saturday. That's where we should be experimenting, not EPL. Give him and Tyler, Dom a run against Blackpool. If they aren't up to it, they will know it themselves and knuckle down. But imagine if they were to shine ... then maybe they go to next level. Prob lem is that if Morgan did shine, he will command even more money and enhance his lifestyle but of no advantage to us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 Equally if he suddenly starts any of the cup games then it’s not a great example to set to others - holding the club to ransom as a 17 year old essentially 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsaint1 Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 2 hours ago, Ldnsaint said: he turned 17 last week, I can't believe some are blaming the club for not playing him in the first team 😂 I know, we're in the midst of a relegation fight but hell we need to play wee Jimmy in case his parents throw a huff and advertise his services to other teams. If he doesnt want to be here after what the club have done for him, then he can do one 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 3 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said: I know, we're in the midst of a relegation fight but hell we need to play wee Jimmy in case his parents throw a huff and advertise his services to other teams. If he doesnt want to be here after what the club have done for him, then he can do one According to Hampshire Live he has 18 months left on his Scholarship deal so not that straightforward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloggy saint Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 7 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said: I know, we're in the midst of a relegation fight but hell we need to play wee Jimmy in case his parents throw a huff and advertise his services to other teams. If he doesnt want to be here after what the club have done for him, then he can do one Wee Jimmy? 😕 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 Can’t say I blame him, from the outside it looks a bit of a mess currently. 😅 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barsiem Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 2 hours ago, egg said: As disappointing as this is, how are we supposed to persuade a kid to commit his next few years to us when we're staring at relegation, when other clubs are circulating and doubtless offering the kid loads of cash? Answers on a postcard for what is expected of the club. I would think relegation wouldn't necessarily be considered a downer for a youth player on the fringes of the first team squad. He's more likely to get regular minutes in a lower division side than trying to break into a premier League team 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 Was curious when we signed the likes of Larios/Edozie what our academy players thought of that? Hopefully this isn't the start of a spate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 (edited) There is a pattern developing already, with Dibling the first and now Jimmy Jay. Edited 24 January, 2023 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted 24 January, 2023 Share Posted 24 January, 2023 (edited) Not sure I buy anything about wanting first team football if Man City are a potential suitor, unless he thinks going to City means we’ll spend £10mil on him and chuck him straight in the first team. Edited 24 January, 2023 by saintwbu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 24 January, 2023 Author Share Posted 24 January, 2023 44 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said: I know, we're in the midst of a relegation fight but hell we need to play wee Jimmy in case his parents throw a huff and advertise his services to other teams. If he doesnt want to be here after what the club have done for him, then he can do one I dont think they need to advertise its fairly open. I think that a club went to Gascoines parents and gave them a house to get him to sign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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