Saints 2-1 Blackpool

[tpv01]

Back from game. Agree with most comments but seen little on orsic. He was terrible. The positioning was like a bad player in 5aside hiding because they don’t want the ball. On the ball not much better. Was wondering if they would keep him on to see if he worked into the game but worrying if he was brought in, like alcaraz, as an upgrade. Manager saw enough and got hooked 1st sub.

I was excited about AMN after those performances in midfield for West Brom against us and MoM in the cup final for arsenal. He is an England international! Every game he plays he looks worse. Rashford just scored and did his head pointing celebration - maybe that’s the issue with AMN?
 

Not many positives but this was a second string team and Blackpool showed nothing until they scored. Was cruising to a nice win before that and then it was a meltdown. 
 

Don’t have any issue with diallo. He came on at 86 mins when it was a scramble and at least showed the aggression the manager is looking for. Same no issue generally with Ely. Showed some nice touches but didn’t really threaten. 
edozie looked good and has to be a major part of the plans if can handle that with his age. 

[Dark Munster]

2 hours ago, LGTL said:

Another tick on the win percentage for old Nath, I suppose. 

It's back up to 100% now, I heard.

[Lord Duckhunter]

3 hours ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

Thank fuck you are not our manager. This was an excellent opportunity to build confidence and gel but it was a shabby, careless, mistake ridden poor slack display which served no purpose. It’s not as if we are going to win the Cup so performance is important. 

How was Forest’s confidence after they lost 4-1 to them. I presume it’s ok because they’ve won 2 and drawn 1 of the 3 league games since. 

Edited 28 January, 2023 by Lord Duckhunter

[East Kent Saint]

45 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said:

Young girl sat at the end of our row filming various parts of the game and ground on her phone for the entire first half. Including 5-10mins focussed on the Blackpool fans singing. Proper odd behaviour.

Normal for the under 30’s I think you’ll find , they take pictures of their dinner and post it on er Tik Tok now I think 😄

[ErwinK1961]

Seen a few people say Edozie had a good game. Maybe I’m being harsh but I thought he was average, didn’t see much in the way of end product, just a load of step overs.

That being said, compared to Orsic, he probably looked world class. Early days I know, but not seen anything from MO that’s suggests he can offer us anything. No pace, no skill and most of his passes went to the oppo.

Edited 28 January, 2023 by ErwinK1961

[Pilchards]

I’m just shocked how many simple passes we send to the oppositions feet.

If we play like that on Tuesday then we are doomed. PS Adams, Orsic, and AMN are really shit.

Also with Blackpool having us back peddling the last 15 minutes why did Jones wait so long for the subs?

[SNSUN]

8 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said:

Seen a few people say Edozie had a good game. Maybe I’m being harsh but I thought he was average, didn’t see much in the way of end product, just a load of step overs.

That being said, compared to Orsic, he probably looked world class. Early days I know, but not seen anything from MO that’s suggests he can offer us anything. No pace, no skill and most of his passes went to the oppo.

MO by name, Mo (Elyounoussi) by nature. He needs to get up to speed but we don’t have much time for that to happen.

[The Kraken]

44 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said:

Seen a few people say Edozie had a good game. Maybe I’m being harsh but I thought he was average, didn’t see much in the way of end product, just a load of step overs.

That being said, compared to Orsic, he probably looked world class. Early days I know, but not seen anything from MO that’s suggests he can offer us anything. No pace, no skill and most of his passes went to the oppo.

Edozie had a few lively moments but, true to form, little end productivity. At one point isn’t he first half I thought he might have got his confidence up and would produce more, but he drifts out of the game too easily. He strikes me as an impact sub who needs work, but we’re so short on quality that we keep putting him in, it’s perhaps too early for him to be a regular starter.

Orsic looked a mix of just about alright and dreadful. Not impressed so far, can only hope there is much more to come.

[kwsaint]

1 hour ago, East Kent Saint said:

Normal for the under 30’s I think you’ll find , they take pictures of their dinner and post it on er Tik Tok now I think 😄

I must be abnormal then. They only time I get my phone out during a game is to use the stopwatch when the fourth official puts the board up.

[John Boy Saint]

Certainly one I won’t be reminiscing with the grandkids about.

Hotch pitch of a team, probably Jonesy saying “this is what I have to work with”.

I’m in the pro Perraud camp, he is one of those in the Lawrie Mac road sweepers category, not flash just gets on with his job (a complete opposite to his team mate on the opposing wing - no wonder Arsenal can’t unload him properly) I do like that he has an absolute hammer of a left foot. The view from my seat,  second seemed like he was just “Jeez guys stop fanning about - let’s get this done”. Would have been nice if we troubled their box enough to pinch a penalty for him to get to take the ball home. 

Who scouted Aribo? Those of you old enough to remember record players, he gets hold of the ball and it’s like playing an LP on 33rpm (like when did we last play at 45) and just for a giggle flick the speed to 16! Edozie is another who disappoints, yes I know he is only 20, but right now he is like a family box of fireworks every one a sudden flurry of sparkle then - Phutt! Just fizzles out.

Something that did make me smile, Willy had the ball in his hands and a Blackpool player just outside the box was giving him a bit of chirp, Willy was giving it back to him - then it almost looked like Willy said “ ok I’ll give you a chance - see it you can get to this” as he threw the ball temptingly within reach to Lyanco. 

I think pointing a couple of grateful lost Blackpool fans in the direction of their car, was more satisfying than the result. 

 

 

 

[Suhari]

Been away in York, so not able to follow the game.

How shit were we? Is Mad-Nate still clueless?

[Lone ranger]

So as there seems no likelihood of buying a striker with a really strong shot that hits the target suggest Perraud is made our striker and can go back to strengthen the defence for game management late in second half. Just logical. 

[The Kraken]

45 minutes ago, John Boy Saint said:

Who scouted Aribo? Those of you old enough to remember record players, he gets hold of the ball and it’s like playing an LP on 33rpm (like when did we last play at 45) and just for a giggle flick the speed to 16!

This tickled me and it’s a great analogy. You can see the quality is there but it’s all just going far too slowly. When he gets up to full speed it’s there, but just doesn’t happen with any sort of regularity.

[macca155]

Every club has bad transfers. Aribo is clearly ours and jury remains out on Orsic.

That doesn't irritate me as much as some on here. Ship them out ASAP and try again.

My issue is in not using Ballard yesterday. If that wasn't a golden opportunity for him to get a few minutes, then we might as well not bother with an academy.

[Lord Duckhunter]

7 minutes ago, macca155 said:

 

My issue is in not using Ballard yesterday. If that wasn't a golden opportunity for him to get a few minutes, then we might as well not bother with an academy.

And had he fucked up and cost us the win you wouldn’t have blamed Jones? 

[Morse]

11 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

And had he fucked up and cost us the win you wouldn’t have blamed Jones? 

Of course we would.  But then Jones is demonstrably inadequate in everything he does he's going to get blamed whatever he does. I feel sorry for him, its not his fault. The plums running the club are to blame for appointing him. 

[badgerx16]

13 hours ago, Convict Colony said:

Give me playing shit and winning over playing well and losing.

What is this "playing well" stuff ?

[Viking Saint]

16 hours ago, redkeith said:

Aribo was running alongside the guy who scored their goal 25 yards out and just let him run. He was yards behind him when he scored . Lazy, lazy bastard.  Should never play midfield again. Only good point from today was that the left side looked much better with a left back playing. 

Funny that, someone should tell Jones to stop sticking a fucking RB there 

[sadoldgit]

These threads used to be places to avoid when we lost. Now it seems best avoided even when we win. A bit part team low on confidence avoid a potential banana skin and are in the hat again in the FA Cup but reading hear you would think we had lost. From now until the end of the season I will take any kind of win we can get, stuff the standard of football. The same happened under Puel. Moan moan moan yet we finished eight and played brilliantly against United in a cup final. Time to drop the self entitlement. Every year it gets harder for teams of our size to compete in the EPL. This year’s relegation battle is affecting teams up to just below that half way mark. Teams as big as Everton and West Ham are in the mix. We ought to be grateful for any wins we can grind out, not moaning because we aren’t playing like world champions.

[The Cat]

6 minutes ago, Viking Saint said:

Funny that, someone should tell Jones to stop sticking a fucking RB there 

At one point under Ralph when KWP was playing LB he was being seen as a possible England player in that position.

Perraud is one of those players who will always work hard and give his best. He's just a bit limited at times and gets exposed against the very best players. No shame in that, but KWP doesn't, even at LB. That's the difference.

[eurosaint]

12 hours ago, Suhari said:

Been away in York, so not able to follow the game.

How shit were we? Is Mad-Nate still clueless?

A ragged performance from a patchwork team, I wouldn't read too much into it !

Lots of Prem teams have struggled more than us against lower league outfits !

We're in the hat and we move on.....

 

[Saint-Reece]

No issue with Ballard not coming on yesterday given we were shite for that final 30 mins at 2-1, I’m pretty sure if the score stayed at 2-0 he would’ve got some minutes but when hanging on against a lower league team, it probably isn’t the best time to bring on a 17 year old.

As alluded to above, if he was brought on and fucked up and it ended 2-2 again, fans would likely be screaming asking why didn’t we bring on a more experienced player. 

Get the feeling some of our fans (Twitter is far worse than here!) just want to scream and use it as another stick to beat Jones with atm (and also use for justification as why JJ Morgan wants to leave). It wasn’t pretty for the final phases, but we are through and that’s the main thing - we really do need a couple more signings though! 😬

[Viking Saint]

1 hour ago, The Cat said:

At one point under Ralph when KWP was playing LB he was being seen as a possible England player in that position.

Perraud is one of those players who will always work hard and give his best. He's just a bit limited at times and gets exposed against the very best players. No shame in that, but KWP doesn't, even at LB. That's the difference.

If you weigh it up though, play a decent LB and one of the best RBs in the country in their preferred positions as opposed to playing KWP and a CB both out of position, logic suggests the latter would make us more balanced. 

[manji]

2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

These threads used to be places to avoid when we lost. Now it seems best avoided even when we win. A bit part team low on confidence avoid a potential banana skin and are in the hat again in the FA Cup but reading hear you would think we had lost. From now until the end of the season I will take any kind of win we can get, stuff the standard of football. The same happened under Puel. Moan moan moan yet we finished eight and played brilliantly against United in a cup final. Time to drop the self entitlement. Every year it gets harder for teams of our size to compete in the EPL. This year’s relegation battle is affecting teams up to just below that half way mark. Teams as big as Everton and West Ham are in the mix. We ought to be grateful for any wins we can grind out, not moaning because we aren’t playing like world champions.

I’m been with this forum and the previous incantation for years. I now going through the members and putting many on ignore. Some just moan whatever happens.

I think “ supporting “ a team and then slag them down continually you must have some sort of psychological condition.

Nick on The Ugly was saying it’s been bad for ages but getting worse. 
I mean all the clamour to get Ings back. I said at the time the dimwits just remember the goals but forget the amount of time he was injured.

 

Edited 29 January, 2023 by manji

[The Cat]

33 minutes ago, Viking Saint said:

If you weigh it up though, play a decent LB and one of the best RBs in the country in their preferred positions as opposed to playing KWP and a CB both out of position, logic suggests the latter would make us more balanced. 

I'm not a fan of Salisu at LB because it blunts our attack on that side, but now we have Bree I can see him at RB and KWP at left back. 

It remains to be seen if Bree is better than Perraud. If not then I'd play Perraud and KWP for most games but go for the more defensively minded option (Salisu at LB or Lyanco at RB) against teams with more potent wingers who Perraud might struggle against.

[AlexLaw76]

18 minutes ago, The Cat said:

I'm not a fan of Salisu at LB because it blunts our attack on that side, but now we have Bree I can see him at RB and KWP at left back. 

It remains to be seen if Bree is better than Perraud. If not then I'd play Perraud and KWP for most games but go for the more defensively minded option (Salisu at LB or Lyanco at RB) against teams with more potent wingers who Perraud might struggle against.

But not having a CB playing LB / RB does not allow us to shift to the famed 3-at-the-back without subs

[Hodgey]

My understanding is that Bree has played in a 3 - I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see Bree and KWP full backs with Bree making the 3 when needed. It’s unlikely Jones isn’t going to use someone regularly who knows his system inside and out and who he alone wanted to buy, I genuinely don’t think he’s been bought for back up only purpose

[Totton Saint]

I was annoyed at the pundits on BBC's highlights of the game.

All they could talk about was how poor  Blackpool's wall was defending Peraud's free kick.  No mention of how good the free kick was to result in a goal

[Dragon_man]

1 minute ago, Totton Saint said:

I was annoyed at the pundits on BBC's highlights of the game.

All they could talk about was how poor  Blackpool's wall was defending Peraud's free kick.  No mention of how good the free kick was to result in a goal

Did Perraud know the defender was going to move out of the way ... or was he lucky that he did?

[Bad Wolf]

19 hours ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

The cup games don't matter one bit, it's the league games that are vastly more important at this stage.

I disagree. I'd happily win a cup and go down.

[macca155]

7 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

And had he fucked up and cost us the win you wouldn’t have blamed Jones? 

Actually no I wouldn't have. You have to take risks with youngsters. Look at Harvey Elliot at Liverpool not much older than Ballard and already looking like a major asset for them.

Watching young players make their debut and go on to forge a career, is a great part of being a supporter for me.

Might be alone on that but you won't find me slagging the manager for giving a player a chance.

He gave Aribo a chance yesterday, correct decision but the player failed to take advantage of that. Not the managers fault unless he plays him in a weird position, which he didn't.

[The Left Back]

2 hours ago, Bad Wolf said:

I disagree. I'd happily win a cup and go down.

I’m broadly with this, but without the word happily. Also don’t underestimate the benefit of winning games, no matter how well and in what competition.

just catching up with this thread. There’s a level of moaning on here that I just don’t get. And criticism that’s way, way over the top.

we put the reserves out and won. We scored two cracking goals.We looked fine and in total control until they scored and then understandably frail confidence kicked in.

We got through a tricky tie without injury and it was good prep for the big Tuesday game. Lavia lasted 85 minutes, and it was good to see ABK back. He played well enough apart from the one brain fart. Perraud was good as was Lyanco and Edozie. The reserve players all brought something apart from Orsic who was way off and AMN who looked disinterested.

the atmosphere was not as good as Tuesday.

today was the first time I thought Jones got his first sub wrong. Edozie should have stayed on the right and AA bought on for Orsic. 

[Jonnyboy]

3 hours ago, Bad Wolf said:

I disagree. I'd happily win a cup and go down.

Agree but what are the odds of those two events? 

[saintscottofthenortham]

I've just seen this from ABK at 1-0...

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx2Lc3jz7GMLRHan4_lK6WQMzX-Um7_noo

What on earth was going on here? That is quite possibly the worst passage of defending I've seen from us, which given our recent history is some achievement.

ABK, granted he is coming back from a few weeks out, has looked mighty questionable since returning from the WC with Germany.

[Dark Munster]

 

 

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I disagree. I'd happily win a cup and go down.

1 hour ago, Jonnyboy said:

Agree but what are the odds of those two events? 

According to my calculator:
1% times 99% < 1%

[Badger]

Blackpool fan's take on it:

 

Good view of the goals. 

[davefizzy14]

We got the job done and are into the hat for the next round. Perraud with two quality finishes my MOTM yesterday. COYR

[John Boy Saint]

1 hour ago, Badger said:

Blackpool fan's take on it:

 

Good view of the goals. 

Blimey Charlie! I swear that’s the couple I pointed in the right direction of their car! 😁

[Bad Wolf]

5 hours ago, The Left Back said:

I’m broadly with this, but without the word happily. Also don’t underestimate the benefit of winning games, no matter how well and in what competition.

just catching up with this thread. There’s a level of moaning on here that I just don’t get. And criticism that’s way, way over the top.

we put the reserves out and won. We scored two cracking goals.We looked fine and in total control until they scored and then understandably frail confidence kicked in.

We got through a tricky tie without injury and it was good prep for the big Tuesday game. Lavia lasted 85 minutes, and it was good to see ABK back. He played well enough apart from the one brain fart. Perraud was good as was Lyanco and Edozie. The reserve players all brought something apart from Orsic who was way off and AMN who looked disinterested.

the atmosphere was not as good as Tuesday.

today was the first time I thought Jones got his first sub wrong. Edozie should have stayed on the right and AA bought on for Orsic. 

I get that but I got into football the summer of 2005. Just after we were relegated. I longed to see us in the top flight just once and I was elated when we did it...Now I'm sick to the back teeth of it. I grew up with stories from older relatives about where they were when we won the cup etc and memories of the day and I'd love to have that as my own. I can't envisage saying to my grandchildren; "Come here, let me tell you a story about the time we stayed up".

I want the cup so badly. Either one.

[Sheaf Saint]

12 hours ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

I've just seen this from ABK at 1-0...

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx2Lc3jz7GMLRHan4_lK6WQMzX-Um7_noo

What on earth was going on here? That is quite possibly the worst passage of defending I've seen from us, which given our recent history is some achievement.

ABK, granted he is coming back from a few weeks out, has looked mighty questionable since returning from the WC with Germany.

Yeah it was shocking. He slipped over and then didn't bother trying to catch up with the attacker because he just assumed it had gone out and we would get a throw in. Watch afterwards when he's going nuts at the ref, he's just deflecting blame from himself because there's no way he could possibly have seen from his position if the ball had actually gone out or not. 

He's obviously not familiar with the term "play to the whistle".

[jawillwill]

On 28/01/2023 at 22:03, kwsaint said:

I must be abnormal then. They only time I get my phone out during a game is to use the stopwatch when the fourth official puts the board up.

To be fair to the youngsters, getting the stopwatch app on your phone out is pretty odd behaviour too.

[John Boy Saint]

14 hours ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

ABK, granted he is coming back from a few weeks out, has looked mighty questionable since returning from the WC with Germany.

I mentioned similar on another thread. Where he had been subbed at half time v Lincoln after a knock and a “I don’t want to be out here” performance - then Brighton seemingly labouring after a tame knock to get subbed off early. 

When he knocked knees with the Blackpool player very early on, I was cynically thinking “here we go again”. 

[Saint Garrett]

Yup, he looks a shadow of the player he did under Ralph unfortunately.