The Kraken Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 7 minutes ago, Cabrone said: Can the team that beat City please come back? I know they are there somewhere. Night and day, wasn’t it? We had a spell in the second half where it was encouraging but otherwise just a limp performance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabrice29 Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 12 minutes ago, The Kraken said: Night and day, wasn’t it? We had a spell in the second half where it was encouraging but otherwise just a limp performance. I'd like to repeat this again. We do not, and have not had, the quality to break sides down who come to St Marys and are well organised and don't open themselves up on the transitions. I repeat, the big difference with the City game was the other side, not us. On 12/01/2023 at 16:46, Fabrice29 said: We look pissed poor against Forest because of a lack of quality in the side, especially when faced with a block and I warn you now, that will happen again on Saturday at times and we have to find some quality in the side to try and come up with something new. One big difference between the Forest and City game was the 11 other players on the pitch. City are happy to play out from the back and play into your pressing traps because they back themselves to play through it. Forest had no intention of that and their manager even said he instructed his team to drop deeper. We will have the same issue against Everton on Saturday and hopefully a new found momentum will contribute to some individuals taking some responsibility on the pitch and being inventive but it's bizarre that a manager takes so much flak for his players complete inability to think for themselves on the pitch (which is something this squad has lacked for a long time). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsaint1 Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 2 minutes ago, The Kraken said: Sorry, I didn’t realise I had to explain it. You had a whinge about people who said we shouldn’t change a winning team. Edozie started against Everton, he was in that winning team you spoke of. As I said, I’ve not seen one post that says, since the Everton game, that Edozie must start and we shouldn’t change the team. Maybe I don’t read the forum as much as you, so perhaps you can help out a wab like me, and just point me in the direction of just one post that says we shouldn’t change a winning side. It’s got you a bit rattled so there must be a few to choose from. Thanks. Whats the fixation on Edozie? My original post didnt mention Edozie. Let me explain it to you. Go and look at the hysterical posts in the Everton build up and at HT last week - you dont change a winning team, we've just beat City etc etc (which came back to bite them). So when we do keep a winning team for this game except for taking Moi out (which most people would have been delighted with), you still get complaints about making signings in this window and not starting them. Yes I would like Alcaraz and Orsic to start as well, but that was a starting lineup today who've earned their spots due to recent results. No doubt Alcaraz and Orsic will get their chances in the cup games and I hope they do well 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 6 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said: Whats the fixation on Edozie? My original post didnt mention Edozie. Let me explain it to you. Go and look at the hysterical posts in the Everton build up and at HT last week - you dont change a winning team, we've just beat City etc etc (which came back to bite them). So when we do keep a winning team for this game except for taking Moi out (which most people would have been delighted with), you still get complaints about making signings in this window and not starting them. Yes I would like Alcaraz and Orsic to start as well, but that was a starting lineup today who've earned their spots due to recent results. No doubt Alcaraz and Orsic will get their chances in the cup games and I hope they do well Ok. I think I get your point. Sort of, but whatever. Good evening to you 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 Just walked past a bloke who went to the game saying “we didn’t deserve to lose that”. Sadly, that’s the difference between a nice team and a clinical team. (Albeit the ref was conned out there). I’m assuming Ramsey will be on the “Simulation Game” this weekend on 606. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 Back from the game. My impression was that we were marginally the better but both teams were very mediocre but we found a way to lose, which doesn’t auger well for staying up. Need to see a full replay of the 2nd disallowed goal but it seemed an odd var decision once the goal was given. Our forward players are bad. Ralph letting tella go so we get to see Armstrong as an ineffective winger continues to irk me. Edozie looks pretty but really seems lacking any end product. Now there’s a player that probably should b on loan in the champ. Mara had his late header, but was pathetic at leading the line. Adams ok at leading the line but fluffed a great chance again. It’s also concerning to see so little from our new signings. Today moussa was the best in his short cameo(which is funny as he’s the one being linked away) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 4 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said: Just walked past a bloke who went to the game saying “we didn’t deserve to lose that”. Sadly, that’s the difference between a nice team and a clinical team. (Albeit the ref was conned out there). I’m assuming Ramsey will be on the “Simulation Game” this weekend on 606. I hate it when people blame the ref because of a defeat. If we were any good we should have won the game outright. Winning or losing shouldn't be because of the officials. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisonlyonemickychannon Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said: Does anyone really deeply care that we are going down? I was absolutely gutted in 2005...maybe because it was a much more rapid decline and almost a completely wasted opportunity This time, it has been on the cards for a while and we completely deserve it, and I am very unbothered about it So let's win the bloody cup then!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 3 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: I hate it when people blame the ref because of a defeat. If we were any good we should have won the game outright. Winning or losing shouldn't be because of the officials. I agree regarding refs normally, but even you’ve got to say it was very soft on this occasion. 🤷🏻♂️ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 5 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: I hate it when people blame the ref because of a defeat. If we were any good we should have won the game outright. Winning or losing shouldn't be because of the officials. And certainly not week after week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 (edited) Just got in, SW Railways are as bad as SF fucking C. Swap the keepers over & we win that. From where I’m sat, their keeper saves that. Var atrocious. When they show a reply everyone, apart from the totally one eyed, should say “fair enough that’s a foul” for the decision to be overturned. If that’s not re refereeing the match I don’t know what is. Fucking horrendous decision that changed the game. I’m not saying we deserved to win, but we may well have done with that to hold onto. Fine fine margins because Jonesy had just made 3 changes with KWP switching flanks, within 2 minutes he’d created the “goal” from that very flank. Lyanco decent again, keeper pony, Adams looked a bit sharper to me (but still horrendous when he gets near goal), and Armstrong worked and harried well. KWP our best player imo. We’re pretty fucking pony and will need a decent amount of luck to stay up. We didn’t get any today, another day that’s a goal…. Edited 21 January, 2023 by Lord Duckhunter 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 11 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: I hate it when people blame the ref because of a defeat. If we were any good we should have won the game outright. Winning or losing shouldn't be because of the officials. Some of the worst logic i’ve ever seen - if a referee disallows a perfectly good goal, of course you can blame the referee. At the top level one goal can be the difference, it’s very fine margins. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 4 minutes ago, saintwbu said: Some of the worst logic i’ve ever seen - if a referee disallows a perfectly good goal, of course you can blame the referee. At the top level one goal can be the difference, it’s very fine margins. I disagree. There was still at least twenty five minutes of play after the disallowed goal. More than enough time to win the game. By all means blame the officials for chalking off the goal, but to suggest we lost the game because of the referree is, in my opinion looking for excuses. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 3 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: I disagree. There was still at least twenty five minutes of play after the disallowed goal. More than enough time to win the game. By all means blame the officials for chalking off the goal, but to suggest we lost the game because of the referree is, in my opinion looking for excuses. The first goal is always important , particularly today when it’s two pretty pony teams. Personally, I don’t think we lose if that’s given. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 27 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said: I agree regarding refs normally, but even you’ve got to say it was very soft on this occasion. 🤷🏻♂️ Was it a “clear and obvious error” ? Of course it f*cking wasn’t. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 5 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: The first goal is always important , particularly today when it’s two pretty pony teams. Personally, I don’t think we lose if that’s given. Yeah I agree. It was always likely to be a one nil game. We didn't lose because of the ref was the point I was trying to make. We lost because we were marginally more shit than Villa were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 Just now, Lee On Solent Saint said: Yeah I agree. It was always likely to be a one nil game. We didn't lose because of the ref was the point I was trying to make. We lost because we were marginally more shit than Villa were. We had a perfectly good goal disallowed. The referee at the time was happy with it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, woodsaint1 said: Typical extreme reactions on here. If we win its delerium, if we lose its devastation. We didnt deserve to lose the game, but ultimately didnt do enough to win it. Happy to take a tirade of abuse, but I can see why the goal has been ruled out. Its not the nudge, Moi has put his foot down the back of the defenders achilles and he cant get off the ground to contest the cross. Its an accident but also a foul. Thought we defended well but another set piece, another goal conceded. This cant keep happening. We need to create a good foundation, which starts by winning home games, otherwise we're down by April. How many left, 9? We need to win 5 of them and hope to pick up the occasional points away as well. Get Hjulmand in to replace Diallo, a RB and most crucially a startng striker too For their goal if we maintain a disciplined line we catch them offside. Ralph's time was up for me but one thing he did have us well drilled in was holding the line at free kicks. Today we did not have the bottle and players broke the line and retreated towards our goal leaving Watkins onside. That is unprofessional and needs to be resolved very quickly or more goals from free kicks will quickly follow. Edited 21 January, 2023 by saintant 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 36 minutes ago, saintwbu said: Some of the worst logic i’ve ever seen - if a referee disallows a perfectly good goal, of course you can blame the referee. At the top level one goal can be the difference, it’s very fine margins. Sometimes Saints win because the ref makes the wrong decision that is football you have to live with it We squad is poor the manager is probably poor so relegation awaits 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SotonianWill Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 33 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: I disagree. There was still at least twenty five minutes of play after the disallowed goal. More than enough time to win the game. By all means blame the officials for chalking off the goal, but to suggest we lost the game because of the referree is, in my opinion looking for excuses. can’t be denied the mood shifted after the disallowed goal, it gave them a massive boost for the remainder of the game. so the referee is a massive twat. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaptopSaint Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 From where I was standing, I thought Diallo was ok today. Lavia different class but clearly being carefully managed at the moment. The ref was a joke, we were toothless, and we can't defend set-pieces. Haven't seen the replays but it was way too fucking long between JWP scoring and VAR/ref overturning it. Absolute joke. I think it was Lyanco who broke the line too soon to play Watkins on for their goal, and we've been shit at defending setpieces all season. Che's 'finish' for the other disallowed goal when he was offside was the strongest reminder that we need a centre forward since he slamdunked it in with his hand against Wolves. Lots of game left but a lot needs to change. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SotonianWill Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 after years of supporting saints, i’ve decided to give it up. I couldn’t take being so shit anymore. I always made fun of glory supporting fans of big clubs but i’ve now realised why they do it, and so i’ve decided to support a bigger club instead. that is why from this day forth i’m a goztepe supporter, up the göz göz. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 10 minutes ago, John B said: Sometimes Saints win because the ref makes the wrong decision that is football you have to live with it We squad is poor the manager is probably poor so relegation awaits Not something I denied? But to say football games cannot be decided by refereeing decisions is completely untrue. They absolutely can, and often are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca155 Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 Thought it was a good game. Not flowing but as previous posters have observed two average sides well set up slugging it out. A draw would have been fair, Saints certainly weren't out of it or overwhelmed. Difference for me was their goalie. Superb performance real world cup class. Diallo worked hard but was too easily bypassed in midfield. In contrast Lavia simply didn't allow that but he can't be everywhere. Definitely need an upgrade in midfield, Villa were well ahead there, much slicker and combative. Ref was poor, too lenient at the start when Villa were fouling a lot, when Saints dished it out later on he started to blow up more. Total lack of minerals to overturn our goal. Cup games clearly a distraction. Subs made us worse. Disappointing result, Saints are clearly in the relegation mire, but today there was some solidity about the team, which gives a little bit of promise. I just wish our manager(s) would accept a draw sometimes. Villa came for a draw and nicked it. I can't help thinking this reckless go for them at the end strategy, is opening us up too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsaint1 Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 21 minutes ago, saintant said: For their goal if we maintain a disciplined line we catch them offside. Ralph's time was up for me but one thing he did have us well drilled in was holding the line at free kicks. Today we did not have the bottle and players broke the line and retreated towards our goal leaving Watkins onside. That is unprofessional and needs to be resolved very quickly or more goals from free kicks will quickly follow. At times we held a ridiculously high line under Ralph, but you're right it did work very well. With the addition of VAR, the game is very much in favour of the defence for set plays as you might have got away with being slightly offside before. What I would say though is that you can drill it to death on the training pitch, but it only takes one player to drop an extra yard or so and the whole line unravels - could be a lack of confidence in your defending, bad matchups etc. Until we resolve it, teams will contain to target that weak area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangelyBrown Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 A funny game today, it seemed like we were in the game all the way through and the result hinged on very fine margins - a different day we get a goal rather than it being chalked off. Villa are masters of the darker side of the game and properly conned the ref - every time a player received the ball with their back to goal you knew they were going to get a foul, but fair play to them for doing so. What is becoming more and more apparent is that Bazunu simply isn't good enough, that we give the ball away far too cheaply and that Che just doesn't offer quite enough quality. Fix those three things and we stay up. Don't and I think we won't. Having been a fierce critic of NJ I don't think he's particularly to blame for today's result (apart from some iffy subs and timing of the second set of changes) and I'd argue that on average he is slowly getting us playing better. What is clear is we are still in need of some serious upgrades. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said: Does anyone really deeply care that we are going down? I was absolutely gutted in 2005...maybe because it was a much more rapid decline and almost a completely wasted opportunity This time, it has been on the cards for a while and we completely deserve it, and I am very unbothered about it Honestly no. From a football point of view it’d be better. Not going into a third of the games a season hoping we can keep the score down, we’ll win more games, no premier league bullshit. I know the geeks will go on about the standard of football not being as good and the financial impact. Our premier league consumers will moan about not getting to play against great sides with world class players but I don’t really care about that. The only sad thing is that as was said on other threads good people behind the scenes at the club will lose jobs they love. Sadly like things when a company underperforms it’s often those that didn’t cause the issues that are the ones that pay for it with their jobs. Edited 21 January, 2023 by Turkish 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsaint1 Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 5 minutes ago, Turkish said: Honestly no. From a football point of view it’d be better. Not going into a third of the games a season hoping we can keep the score down, we’ll win more games, no premier league bullshit. I know the geeks will go on about the standard of football not being as good and the financial impact. Our premier league consumers will moan about not getting to play against great sides with world class players but I don’t really care about that. The only sad thing is that as was said on other threads good people behind the scenes at the club will lose jobs they love. Sadly like things when a company underperforms it’s often those that didn’t cause the issues that are the ones that pay for it with their jobs. Personally, I'm fed up with the PL - the coverage/interest/punditry is geared towards the top sides and it couldnt give a shit about teams like us, VAR as proven today is a shambles at times, and each season its becoming more and more of a slog to stay in the league. There is a big risk that we go down and dont return to the PL for a while, but theres also the potential for a reality check/reset which can serve us better in the long term - Burnley are showing whats possible with a new manager/largely new team. This is largely dependent on how invested Dragan and SR remain in the 'project'. If they want to sell then we're probably buggered. If relegation is looking more likely as the weeks go on, it would be good to look at a retention list. I think we would be in a decent spot minus the likely sales of KWP, Lavia, ABK, Salisu and those who may sign in this window with relegation release clsuses - which would bring us some decent funds to rebuild. Not convinced that JWP would leave. We also have an exciting crop of u18/u21 players who will get more game time. Some of my favourite times following Saints were the Championship and L1 days under Adkins. Winning more games, new away days, might even get a proper league derby again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 After this unwittingly inept and disjointed performance it is hard to see where Saints go next. Despite the change of management and style any pattern of play remains indiscernible and elusive. Time surely is running out. It is true we have a few highly talented players but equally we continue to rely on too many journeymen stalwarts who have never convinced at this level. If today's performance was indicative of something near our best then relegation is a near certainty. The clamour for a new striker is a last desperate cry for help from fans who know but cannot come to terms with the fact that we are collectively as a management team and squad of players no longer good enough to stay in this division. I sensed today that this was our last chance saloon, we were put to the test and failed. From my seat in the Kingsland there was little to warm the chilly day and few of my colleagues looked anything other than thoroughly bewildered and dejected. Acceptance is replacing belief and that is proving to be a very painful transition 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 2 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said: Personally, I'm fed up with the PL - the coverage/interest/punditry is geared towards the top sides and it couldnt give a shit about teams like us, VAR as proven today is a shambles at times, and each season its becoming more and more of a slog to stay in the league. There is a big risk that we go down and dont return to the PL for a while, but theres also the potential for a reality check/reset which can serve us better in the long term - Burnley are showing whats possible with a new manager/largely new team. This is largely dependent on how invested Dragan and SR remain in the 'project'. If they want to sell then we're probably buggered. If relegation is looking more likely as the weeks go on, it would be good to look at a retention list. I think we would be in a decent spot minus the likely sales of KWP, Lavia, ABK, Salisu and those who may sign in this window with relegation release clsuses - which would bring us some decent funds to rebuild. Not convinced that JWP would leave. We also have an exciting crop of u18/u21 players who will get more game time. Some of my favourite times following Saints were the Championship and L1 days under Adkins. Winning more games, new away days, might even get a proper league derby again. I don't disagree with a lot of this but I would like to point out that the 4 years between 2005 and 2009 were some of the worst times that I had following Saints. Have you forgotten the Redkrapp, Burley, Portvleit, Wotte years?? It wasn't all like Adkins made it. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 Why are we rock bottom of the prem? We have replaced a mediocre manager with another mediocre manager, managing a squad of mediocre players. Sports Republic have obviously not done their homework before purchasing this club. The club has been slowly dieing for several years, it's bests assets have already been sold and SR will not stop the decline trying to discover hidden gems on the cheap with future profit in mind, doing that at this time is suicidal, employing an unexperienced manager at top level is suicidal. You don't have to scratch your head for too long to work out where the fault lies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 I can’t question the effort but the lack of quality is so obvious. I’ve no idea why we signed players recently yet they warmed the bench until far too late. The goal we conceded was due to poor defending and a keeper glued to his line. I really can’t see us staying up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 Part of me romanticises about the euphoria of the relegation battles of the 90's but this is a different era and we just don't look like having the mental strength or the goal scoring threat to get out of this mess. In the nineties you felt you could beat the top teams if they were off the boil, the Dell was a cauldron and got behind the team but even in 2005 the Saints Norwich game at SMS was one of the best games I have ever been to. Nowadays it feels like we are all resigned to our fate. I would love to see us re-calibrate and have a fun promotion season but I live in fear of financial Armageddon and ending up like Swansea or Stoke. Why did we not buy a striker in August? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 The more I watch that first disallowed goal, the more furious I am with Che. Stood, clearly offside, looking down the line, then fell over his own feet. Lad is a total clusterfuck. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Tamesaint said: I don't disagree with a lot of this but I would like to point out that the 4 years between 2005 and 2009 were some of the worst times that I had following Saints. Have you forgotten the Redkrapp, Burley, Portvleit, Wotte years?? It wasn't all like Adkins made it. The first couple of years werent too bad. Redknapp was never going to stick around but it really didn’t help Lowe didn’t give him any money to spend. under Burnley for the first 18 months we were okay, got to the play offs and blew it in typical saints heroic failure style. It was after that things went into a tail spin. we went shit or bust to go back up and almost did go bust. Burley lost the plot signing loads of crap. Poortlevelt was a joke, playing a load of kids was never going to work so mental that they’ve tried this approach again! Edited 21 January, 2023 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 And the more I watch their winner, the worse it gets for Bazunu. It was shite defending all round, but it's down the middle of the goal FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SotonianWill Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said: This is largely dependent on how invested Dragan and SR remain in the 'project'. If they want to sell then we're probably buggered. I kind of hope they don’t continue with their “project”. I see from their perspective the loan disguised as a buy system if working well gets them a big profit if the former club wants to buy them back, but what do fans of our club get out of it? we see raw players struggle week in week out in the hope they do something for the parent club to trigger the buy back clause, only for us to buy another academy player and do the same thing over again. don’t be fooled they do not care about “having the best young players“ they care about the profit they will make from them if they give them game time for big clubs who buy them back for 4x the price. fuck this project, I just want a normal transfer policy with a mix of both. the signing of orsic has been good to show short term existence, however I can’t sit through another transfer window like last summer without asking “what the fuck are they doing”. we’re being treated for fools, they’re using the southampton brand of bringing through young players to excuse their profit making scheme and trick us. smug wankers the lot of them. OUT Edited 21 January, 2023 by SotonianWill 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsaint1 Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 3 minutes ago, Tamesaint said: I don't disagree with a lot of this but I would like to point out that the 4 years between 2005 and 2009 were some of the worst times that I had following Saints. Have you forgotten the Redkrapp, Burley, Portvleit, Wotte years?? It wasn't all like Adkins made it. Certainly think theres massive differences between the state the club/team were in when we went down in 2005 and what state we would be in if we went down this season. The ownership is day/night. While SR have warranted some criticism, they are making money available and have big ambitions. We've also got a DoF coming in who would probably thrive with a mini rebuild. We had a team of journeymen/mercenaries when we went down in 2005. It was a mass rebuild the following season. I think we have the makings of a good young squad - yes we will lose some of the assets but we'll also retain some good players who are better than Championship level and also have the likes of Ballard, JJM, Pearce, Doyle Finnigan coming through Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 I would say the current squad is probably quite well suited for relegation. A few will obviously be sold but we have a lot of youngsters who should be on lowish wages who could probably do with a season in the Championship. Our owner obviously has some cash so if managed well we should be well placed to bounce back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 5 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said: Certainly think theres massive differences between the state the club/team were in when we went down in 2005 and what state we would be in if we went down this season. The ownership is day/night. While SR have warranted some criticism, they are making money available and have big ambitions. We've also got a DoF coming in who would probably thrive with a mini rebuild. We had a team of journeymen/mercenaries when we went down in 2005. It was a mass rebuild the following season. I think we have the makings of a good young squad - yes we will lose some of the assets but we'll also retain some good players who are better than Championship level and also have the likes of Ballard, JJM, Pearce, Doyle Finnigan coming through Can’t see Sports Republic bottling it. My opinion on them is if they get these 3 or 4 players in . On the long interview with Rasmus he said be patient a very exciting couple of weeks coming up for Saints fans. We shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 Without checking (the game largely bypassed me for a number of reasons), but I'm guessing the overall response to this game is that the 'powers that be' should all now see the blatant flaws in the team that the rest of us can see... namely we need a striker, someone better than Diallo and a Keeper who isn't 'learning his trade'... A draw today would have been huge. Shame. Still we march on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SotonianWill Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, aintforever said: I would say the current squad is probably quite well suited for relegation. A few will obviously be sold but we have a lot of youngsters who should be on lowish wages who could probably do with a season in the Championship. Our owner obviously has some cash so if managed well we should be well placed to bounce back up. some of the young players we signed this summer would normally have had a loan move to the championship this season, that is the level of our starting eleven signings. edozie, bazunu especially look in need of a season in a lower division. mara also. Edited 21 January, 2023 by SotonianWill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 (edited) Having suggested that Supporters are not up for the fight I think it is important to recognise that in 2022 in terms of points per game we were 90th out of the 92 professional clubs in the league yet remarkably we still have gates of 30,000 consistently. That is a extraordinary achievement and a great credit to our supporters. We should be very proud of that. Edited 21 January, 2023 by Sergei Gotsmanov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 2 minutes ago, SotonianWill said: some of the young players we signed this summer would normally have had a loan move to the championship, that is the level of our starting eleven signings. edozie, bazunu especially look in need of a season in a lower division. mara also. We have jewels that will go in the summer if we go down, we know that, but they are likely less than previous seasons and thus we should be able to keep a lot of the team together for a promotion push. JWP, Lavia, Salisu, KWP will go, maybe ABK and Adams, but beyond that I think we'll keep the squad together. Tino post injury will need to rebuild his career so I think we'd keep him personally. Not sure about any of our January signings but with the likes of Smallbone and Tella to add to the squad we wouldn't be in bad straits. Obviously we'd be in a far better place if we survived... as long as we learn our lesson and stop trying to make a profit on youth going forwards. Last thing we want is to survive and go down next season. We did that in the Championship when Stern John was our saviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 18 minutes ago, manji said: Can’t see Sports Republic bottling it. My opinion on them is if they get these 3 or 4 players in . On the long interview with Rasmus he said be patient a very exciting couple of weeks coming up for Saints fans. We shall see. We'll see. Our potential pool of players willing to come shrinks with every loss, and now the window will close with us bottom of the league. Meaning we are over paying for players with half an eye on their next move in the summer. Mercenary Central. I can't see SR just chucking money about when we are massively likely to be in the Championship next season. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archers Road Stand Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 We were atrocious and deserved to lose. Shite manager and shite ownership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 12 minutes ago, Sergei Gotsmanov said: Having suggested that Supporters are not up for the fight I think it is important to recognise that in 2022 in terms of points per game we were 90th out of the 92 professional clubs in the league yet remarkably we still have gates of 30,000 consistently. That is an extraordinary achievement and a great credit to our supporters. We should be very proud of that. Yeah, stick that in the trophy cabinet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 15 minutes ago, Sergei Gotsmanov said: Having suggested that Supporters are not up for the fight I think it is important to recognise that in 2022 in terms of points per game we were 90th out of the 92 professional clubs in the league yet remarkably we still have gates of 30,000 consistently. That is an extraordinary achievement and a great credit to our supporters. We should be very proud of that. I agree. We’ve been crap for 4 1/2 of the last five season. A few weeks ago on a thread it was discussed that there can’t be many teams that have won fewer games than us in the last 5 years in all 4 divisions, we couldn’t find any. Our home form has been awful in that time. At least in the 90s we weren’t too bad at home. As you say in 2022 we were the the 90th worst team in the country for results. When you factor the cost along with general distain the club seem the long term fans in the it’s a surprise so many carry on going 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 52 minutes ago, Norm said: The goal we conceded was due to poor defending and a keeper glued to his line. I really can’t see us staying up. Behave. No keeper is going to get to that cross before Watkins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 21 January, 2023 Share Posted 21 January, 2023 "I felt it was enough to go down..." Cheating ****ing ****. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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