saintant Posted 14 January, 2023 Posted 14 January, 2023 Think we're probably not going to get back into this. A goal down at half-time at Everton is not a good place for us to be. Hope Jones makes the required changes and proves me wrong but this place has always been a graveyard for us.
kjurwi Posted 14 January, 2023 Posted 14 January, 2023 Frustrating to see Elyonoussi when Djenepo were so good against ManC
Saint86 Posted 14 January, 2023 Posted 14 January, 2023 (edited) Grim. Everton are shit, and yet they are still far better than us apparently. Likely finish with Everton scoring 2-3 goals as we chase the game and fail to penetrate. Edited 14 January, 2023 by Saint86 1
trousers Posted 14 January, 2023 Posted 14 January, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, niceandfriendly said: How poor is Bazunu? That was nowhere near in the corner and he got nowhere near it. Can’t think of any other way to say nowhere near. I thought it was a very good header... Powerful and into the ground thus making it difficult for the keeper to judge. Unlike Salisu's earlier effort which, by contrast, was an easy save for Pickford Edited 14 January, 2023 by trousers 2
Ed Rooney Posted 14 January, 2023 Posted 14 January, 2023 1 minute ago, egg said: Then explain what Ely hasn't done that you expect someone playing his role to do, and what he's done wrong. KWP, Adams, Edozie have all been worse. Like I said, no point in explaining if you have to ask that question. If he is doing enough for you as part of the 3 then spot on
Dman Posted 14 January, 2023 Posted 14 January, 2023 1 minute ago, Baird of the land said: Don't see that at all. Lyanco is definitely playing RB. Elyounessi has just been absymal as a right sided forward. Not as if you can point ot stellar work defensively he has done. He's just been a spectator apart from when he's getting owned by Mykalenko. He’s man marking Mykalenko who’s playing really high. agree to disagree, but I think We can probably all agree that we need to get our wingers higher up the pitch this half. As it happens I would bring him off for the Croatian lad, but I’d also hook Edozie and Adams whilst I’m at it
Archers Road Stand Posted 14 January, 2023 Posted 14 January, 2023 Just now, trousers said: I thought it was a very good header... Powerful and into the ground thus making it difficult for the keeper to judge Which is exactly what Salisu should have done for his free header. 1
NewYorkSaint Posted 14 January, 2023 Posted 14 January, 2023 We can still win this. It's so close. Wd like to see our new signings in action. Exciting to see Lyanco becoming a really great player. There's a great core building here. We just need to find a little penalty area magic. 1
Baird of the land Posted 14 January, 2023 Posted 14 January, 2023 1 minute ago, Sheaf Saint said: I'm not going to single out Ely, but our entire front line has been completely ineffective so far. They haven't created anything yet, and they make it far too easy for the Everton defenders to play out and set up an attack. I don't get Jones' thinking. He finally dropped the players that have been underperforming all season on Wednesday and it worked. So why on Earth would he bring them back in again for an even more important game? We've even got two new lads on the bench but he still sticks with the players that should be nowhere near the pitch. Baffling. If we lose this (which we're obviously going to - it's Everton away) it's all on the manager. I can understand wanting to freshenthings up given they've had a week to prepare whereas we've had 3 days. It's the MOI one in particular i don't get he's got no attributes to play that role and Djenepo came off after an hour anyway so should be fresher than players who played 90 minutes.
AlexLaw76 Posted 14 January, 2023 Posted 14 January, 2023 (edited) Onana's first goal.......usual stuff then Edited 14 January, 2023 by AlexLaw76
S-Clarke Posted 14 January, 2023 Posted 14 January, 2023 Just now, Saint86 said: Grim. Everton are shit, and yet they are still far better than us apparently. Not on the game, to be fair. They're been pretty shit, but we gave them a free header in the box. Apart from that they've not really caused us many difficulties, the shape has been good and we've kept them at arms length, that's what makes it so frustrating and why there is an inevitable feel about it all. 2
Chez Posted 14 January, 2023 Posted 14 January, 2023 2 minutes ago, BotleySaint said: Looking very much like 4 league games 4 defeats to teams around us. The cup game was special, but Jones is once again showing incapable of making the right decisions. He is unable to see that a Moi/Adams/Edozie front line is totally ineffective. Yet keeps sending out the same team. Why did we sign Orsic and not play him? Is he not considered as good as Edozie / Moi? Fully expect the same team second half. Failure to win today and we'll be starting to drop off the bottom and it's a long way back.... Fair points, but its not all Jones' fault. The players out there simply ain't doing it. Salisu has been shite, the two central midfielders have given the ball away far too often and yes, the front three selected haven't done enough ether. If we lose, Jone's will certainly deserve some stick for changing a winning side, and he will get it, but some of these players should be slated too.
Dman Posted 14 January, 2023 Posted 14 January, 2023 Just now, Ed Rooney said: Like I said, no point in explaining if you have to ask that question. If he is doing enough for you as part of the 3 then spot on You’re missing the point, from 15/20 mins in he hasn’t been playing as part of the 3. I’m sure a heat map, if anyone can obtain one, would show that. 1
egg Posted 14 January, 2023 Posted 14 January, 2023 2 minutes ago, Saint Matty 76 said: I cannot believe somebody is spending their Saturday afternoon defending Elyounoussi You miss the point. I'm asking anyone who's watched today to explain what he's done wrong today. Dinlos who can't explain boil my piss. If people have an opinion, explain it, or keep quiet. 1
Chez Posted 14 January, 2023 Posted 14 January, 2023 Just now, AlexLaw76 said: Onana's first goal.......usual stuff then he's been bloody everywhere. Sadly. 1
Saint Matty 76 Posted 14 January, 2023 Posted 14 January, 2023 Just now, egg said: You miss the point. I'm asking anyone who's watched today to explain what he's done wrong today. Dinlos who can't explain boil my piss. If people have an opinion, explain it, or keep quiet. have you watched us play in the last 18 months? nobody should need to spell this one out for you 3
Weston Super Saint Posted 14 January, 2023 Posted 14 January, 2023 Who will have the loudest protest at the end of the game - maybe we can have a poll?
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 14 January, 2023 Posted 14 January, 2023 9 minutes ago, Chez said: it's far from over. Everton are turd. If we can get our game going, we can easily get back in this. Sorry Chez, have you not noticed were are much worse. 1 1 1
UpweySaint Posted 14 January, 2023 Posted 14 January, 2023 10 minutes ago, gallaghert366@yahoo.com said: Are you taking the proverbial? Not at all. Not sure if it says more about my opinions or our current attacking talent to be fair...
SotonianWill Posted 14 January, 2023 Posted 14 January, 2023 Simple half time demand. Attack, Attack, Attack Attack Attack
Ed Rooney Posted 14 January, 2023 Posted 14 January, 2023 Just now, Dman said: You’re missing the point, from 15/20 mins in he hasn’t been playing as part of the 3. I’m sure a heat map, if anyone can obtain one, would show that. So are you saying he is meant to be dropping deep ?
obelisk Posted 14 January, 2023 Posted 14 January, 2023 Another slight worry for me is that the ref will be itching to give Lavia another yellow card. 1
SaintTex Posted 14 January, 2023 Posted 14 January, 2023 3 minutes ago, Jack said: I think it’s fair to blame him for that, partly. Shouldn’t be facing a free header but his positioning is awful. Most prem keepers get to that IMO Yep. We should be blaming Bazuna. Drives me crazy. that should be a stop for your average PL goalkeeper.
egg Posted 14 January, 2023 Posted 14 January, 2023 1 minute ago, Dman said: He’s man marking Mykalenko who’s playing really high. agree to disagree, but I think We can probably all agree that we need to get our wingers higher up the pitch this half. As it happens I would bring him off for the Croatian lad, but I’d also hook Edozie and Adams whilst I’m at it As I said above, I'd replace him with Djenepo to push their LB back and give a bit more going forward. It's a tactical change with a player coming on better suited to that role. I'd bring the Croatian fella on down the left. I'd also like to see Alcaraz for Diallo at some point. There's options if Jones is willing to be braver.
YarmSaint Posted 14 January, 2023 Posted 14 January, 2023 8 minutes ago, egg said: Can the Ely knockers who've actually watched explain what they're seeing him do wrong? He's playing just ahead of Lyanco, not just off Che, but getting forward where he can. He's clearly been given a thankless role. Trying to be kind but he's on a different wavelength to the better players around him! All good and well having a top class striker but when you have the likes of Elyounossi and Diallo behind you your going to be left shaking your head!!
egg Posted 14 January, 2023 Posted 14 January, 2023 2 minutes ago, Saint Matty 76 said: have you watched us play in the last 18 months? nobody should need to spell this one out for you Err, wtf does that have to do with today's set up and performance?
niceandfriendly Posted 14 January, 2023 Posted 14 January, 2023 3 minutes ago, trousers said: I thought it was a very good header... Powerful and into the ground thus making it difficult for the keeper to judge. Unlike Salisu's earlier effort which, by contrast, was an easy save for Pickford I can see why you may have thought that, but upon replay you’ll see it wasn’t that good. He headed it down but nowhere near the corner. Very poor goakeeping, but as others have said it’s going forward which is our biggest problem, not Baz.
the saint in winchester Posted 14 January, 2023 Posted 14 January, 2023 First goal was critical. We had to take advantage of Everton's nerves and get that first goal by taking the game to them with the same intensity as Wednesday night. Instead we reverted to type and playing responding to Everton, rather than taking it to them. Disappointing. Hoping we go for it second half.
Miltonaggro Posted 14 January, 2023 Posted 14 January, 2023 8 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: The shape and approach to the game is correct, having 3 and pushing JWP further up 'works'. Our problem today has been the horrendous quality in that final third. Adams/Edozie are not pressing, winning the ball or doing anything of note. Elyounoussi has been restricted in his role, but he struggles to then escape further up field as he's so slow, whereas Moussa had the legs to push higher. So, tactically it's not all wrong, it's the personal that is wrong. Mara may have been tired after the Weds game (he's a young kid Afterall), but it just shows up the lack of quality in the squad. I know Jones speaks about ''we may not get a number 9'', but that is exactly what we need - a competent number 9 who is able to hold the ball up, because without that then we're toast already. Allied to this, a 9 with the athleticism to play twice in a week.
Dman Posted 14 January, 2023 Posted 14 January, 2023 1 minute ago, Ed Rooney said: So are you saying he is meant to be dropping deep ? What a pointless comment. Unless you’re sat on the bench, no one knows what he’s been instructed to do. 1 1
woodsaint1 Posted 14 January, 2023 Posted 14 January, 2023 See what happens when hes played in a more advanced role 2
Cascadia Saint Posted 14 January, 2023 Posted 14 January, 2023 Ward prowse!!! Hopefully he gave the half time team talk again.
Saint Matty 76 Posted 14 January, 2023 Posted 14 January, 2023 this blokes doing his best to keep us up himself 2
HarvSFC Posted 14 January, 2023 Posted 14 January, 2023 Ward-Prowse in the right position is so good!
trousers Posted 14 January, 2023 Posted 14 January, 2023 15 minutes ago, trousers said: The one positive to come out of that half is JWP looks much more effective playing higher up the field. Very astute observation that man... 2
The Juice Posted 14 January, 2023 Posted 14 January, 2023 Great goal, That. JWP further forward makes a huge difference. Fair play to Che for the knock.
OttawaSaint Posted 14 January, 2023 Posted 14 January, 2023 Pickford pretty much single handedly kept them up last year, that's why it is such folly to go with a kid in nets.
S-Clarke Posted 14 January, 2023 Posted 14 January, 2023 Awesome, for the first time Adams wins the ball and there is JWP playing in that position which is perfect for him. That's what we need Adams to do more of, as the threat is around him! Great start, just what you need. 1
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