Southampton 0-1 Newcastle League Cup Semi Final 1st Leg

[OldNick]

23 minutes ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

Before you despatch the assassination squad............. it was Murphy

Yeah him as well lol. Thanks Duncan

[Lee On Solent Saint]

3 minutes ago, VectisSaint said:

Diallo was not awful last night, he was actually very good. Think you weren't actually watching last night but just going on past performances. I was expecting him to be poor and was distinctly annoyed when he was named ahead of Lavia, but he surprised me.

I was at the game thanks, like I said above just my opinion. I agree that he broke up play and was effective on that side of things. His passing was pretty poor in my opinion. I guess some will counter that by saying its not his job to play defence splitting passes, and just to keep it simple. He makes more passing errors than he makes passes connect with a team mate. Again, just my opinion.

[The Left Back]

Good atmosphere and a pretty good game against a side who are obviously well-oiled and playing with a lot of confidence.

Diallo my MOTM (and my son's).  I thought Alcatraz looked excellent, he is going to be a top-notch player (hopefully for us).  Mara is developing really fast and played well.  I was disappointed with Orsic, he seemed a little lost on how to play that position for us.

I was surprise KWP was matched up with Joelinton and Salisu with Almeron.  Would have had KWP at LB and Lyanco on Joelinton.

It was great to hear our fans singing with such gusto and variety of songs for a change.  

Armstrong should have scored with his first touch, which would have meant no handball, but otherwise played well when he came on.

That's two games in a row where we've survived an onslaught, got on top and then conceded against the run of play. It gives hope but is really frustrating

Clearly we weren't clinical enough but to fair nor were they.  They overloaded us on both flanks and could have scored more.

The tie is not over.  Jones will send them out next Tuesday to have a right go.  I'm just hoping some toon complacency and a Man City repeat will see us make Wembley.

 

[harvey]

47 minutes ago, Sfcphilc said:

Don't know what game you were watching but he was excellent last night. Broke up the play at least 5 times in the centre of the pitch, one of his best games for us so far.

Excellent?.....granted he broke the play up well at times, but he also gave up possession easily on a few occasions!

[LeBizzier69]

Just now, Lee On Solent Saint said:

I was at the game thanks, like I said above just my opinion. I agree that he broke up play and was effective on that side of things. His passing was pretty poor in my opinion. I guess some will counter that by saying its not his job to play defence splitting passes, and just to keep it simple. He makes more passing errors than he makes passes connect with a team mate. Again, just my opinion.

Only saw it on TV, but it's the same Diallo we get every week. his break up play is pretty effective.....but by and large his distribution is terrible. It's great to win the ball, but he often then gives it away in really dangerous phases of play, with players committed forward leaving us back peddling like crazy.

He could do with being tied to someone who can pass the ball on his behalf. 

[LeBizzier69]

Thought Al Catraz was by and large excellent. Yes he misplaced a few passes but didn't look at all out of place, and we may have a gem on our hands there. 

[tpv01]

2 hours ago, John Boy Saint said:

Sorry to say we are not smart enough to notice that from them. 

We are a soft fluffy puppy and too damn polite,  2 games running we have seen 2 VAR decisions go against us, both seemingly following, what I don’t like in the game, harassing the referee by the opposition players en masse. Your sitting there thinking come on Prowsey or anyone get into that conversation and break up the one way flow of words into the refs ear. You watch the opposition players when one of theirs commits a “crime” they are all around him trying to change the subject. Pope on Djenepo if that was Che on Burn anywhere on the pitch Che would have been pulled up - that was reckless play that ultimately forced a substitution upon us - where were the Saints players in the refs ears nowhere. Like I say I don’t like it but just about every other team is playing the get at the ref card. That Trippier free kick at the end must have taken 4 minutes to be taken and even after the ref had blown they still dicked about.

Last night walking away from the ground - I felt no emotion whatsoever, which for someone who has been going for 45 years through thick and thin is pretty telling.
 

 
 

 

 

I agree with this (although I also don't like to see it). Could also give the example how walker-peters was given a yellow card for time wasting on a throw (in the 1st half!) but we didnt get any Newcastle players booked for the same when they were running the clock after scoring. The foul on Djenepo was GBH.

 

But what I dont get more is the manager also doesnt do it (although I dont like seeing that even more. Klopp, the skull-man at chelsea, conte, being the worst). Wasn't he meant to be nasty nathan? He was more harsh with Djenepo for not coming short than at the ref or 3rd official. Eddie Howe and Jason Tindall are the most sly in the league at being in the ear of 3rd official. Our players have always been a soft touch but the manager is not doing what modern managers unfortunately should be doing (at least to not be at a disadvantage when there are so many other disadvantages we have).

[Saintscummer]

9 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

I was at the game thanks, like I said above just my opinion. I agree that he broke up play and was effective on that side of things. His passing was pretty poor in my opinion. I guess some will counter that by saying its not his job to play defence splitting passes, and just to keep it simple. He makes more passing errors than he makes passes connect with a team mate. Again, just my opinion.

Nothing wrong with differing opinions 

[100%Red&White]

1 hour ago, OldNick said:

Sky made nothing of it, having 2 Newcastle pundits didnt help. Frannie is too nice, he didnt really fight our corner, no aggression in the studio like he did on the pitch. No passion at all IMO, he is a massive Saints fan but was far too meek in his assessment with Given and Ferdinand giving it big. 

No doubt they'll address the imbalance for the game up there and have 2 Saints-connected pundits and just 1 Geordie in the studio - probably Shearer and McMenemy tho!

[saintwbu]

Thinking about how good Alcaraz was last night is actually irritating me even more. It’s another signing that looks like a good addition, along with Lavia, Bella Kotchap, DCC, Edozie. We’ve made some really good signings since the summer. So why have we not been able to do it in the most important position for us ffs!!

[MightyMags1892]

Beatable? Haha we literally arent this season.

The Mighty Mags are on the charge. We'll beat you 3-0 at SJP and beat Man Utd at Wembley too. 

All hail the dirty blood money🔪🔴.

We're going to take the PL by storm soon..you just watch

[100%Red&White]

3 minutes ago, MightyMags1892 said:

Beatable? Haha we literally arent this season.

The Mighty Mags are on the charge. We'll beat you 3-0 at SJP and beat Man Utd at Wembley too. 

All hail the dirty blood money🔪🔴.

We're going to take the PL by storm soon..you just watch

I'm sure you've got your tongue firmly in your cheek....

[rallyboy]

Other than petrifying all those around him with his cavalier attitude to positioning and team structure, and his obsession with floating dozens of beautifully-hit long passes directly to opposition players, what does Lyanco actually bring to the table? 

His very occasional killer pass in the other half is nice, making him dangerous in both boxes, but you have to think that contributing towards the odd clean sheet now and again might be more useful.

 

[Saint Garrett]

35 minutes ago, austsaint said:

Yes, that was a low act by Murphy.  He's high up on my list of complete wankers.

Towards the very top for me is Bruno Guimaraes. What an absolute c*nt he is.

Who cries about an injury and then two days later is playing. And laughing in DCC's face when he got sent off. Utter prick.

[saintwbu]

1 minute ago, rallyboy said:

Other than petrifying all those around him with his cavalier attitude to positioning and team structure, and his obsession with floating dozens of beautifully-hit long passes directly to opposition players, what does Lyanco actually bring to the table? 

His very occasional killer pass in the other half is nice, making him dangerous in both boxes, but you have to think that contributing towards the odd clean sheet now and again might be more useful.

 

You mean like the City game, our only clean sheet this season other than Bournemouth away, in which he kept a clean sheet and set up the first goal? 

[Saint Garrett]

6 minutes ago, MightyMags1892 said:

Beatable? Haha we literally arent this season.

The Mighty Mags are on the charge. We'll beat you 3-0 at SJP and beat Man Utd at Wembley too. 

All hail the dirty blood money🔪🔴.

We're going to take the PL by storm soon..you just watch

Good lord. And this is pretty much what is wrong with modern football. The premier league and top level football in general has zero morals. Fans have morals until it happens to them, and then they rub it in everyone elses faces. Well done for being minted. I personally, have zero time for shit like this.

[Toadhall Saint]

8 minutes ago, 100%Red&White said:

I'm sure you've got your tongue firmly in your cheek....

Up the Arabs arse more like.

[S-Clarke]

I'll be honest, I'm surprised at the views on Diallo. Whilst he broke up play and did read the game well on occasion, his distribution of the ball in key situations was simply atrocious. We need a hell of a lot better than him in there if we want to do anything of note at any level.

I see some people claiming he was MOTM, shows how far our standards have dropped imo. He's really not good enough.

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, Appy said:

I was more annoyed with him being fouled for the disallowed goal on Saturday.

That disallowed goal came about because the ball deflected up off Ramsey after he had flung himself to the ground. Had it stood it would have been a delicious irony.

[austsaint]

4 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I'll be honest, I'm surprised at the views on Diallo. Whilst he broke up play and did read the game well on occasion, his distribution of the ball in key situations was simply atrocious. We need a hell of a lot better than him in there if we want to do anything of note at any level.

I see some people claiming he was MOTM, shows how far our standards have dropped imo. He's really not good enough.

He was more than good enough tonight.    Surprisingly so.   A couple of wayward passes at the end of his shift, but he and Alcaraz were terrific in midfield.     Would agree though, that overall in his Saints career he has not been good enough

[Whitey Grandad]

25 minutes ago, 100%Red&White said:

I'm sure you've got your tongue firmly in your cheek....

Right up in-between his cheeks. 

[kitch]

38 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

Other than petrifying all those around him with his cavalier attitude to positioning and team structure, and his obsession with floating dozens of beautifully-hit long passes directly to opposition players, what does Lyanco actually bring to the table? 

His very occasional killer pass in the other half is nice, making him dangerous in both boxes, but you have to think that contributing towards the odd clean sheet now and again might be more useful.

 

Wins pretty much every header, most 50/50s and looks to go forward much more quickly than the other defenders.

[MightyMags1892]

13 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Right up in-between his cheeks. 

 

Jealousy 🙂

[LuckyNumber7]

Just seen the highlights on Sky, they didn't even show Che's one on one miss ffs. Arma's goal probably rightly disallowed.

Also at the game didn't see Murphy's gay little wave at DCC, hope someone smashes the little prick next week. DCC did very well to keep his composure after that.

[OldNick]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

Does anyone know if any of the bare chested twats ended up in the General with hypothermia?

I bet their mid wives would not be happy.........ohh they weren't pregnant

[Toadhall Saint]

11 minutes ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

Just seen the highlights on Sky, they didn't even show Che's one on one miss ffs. Arma's goal probably rightly disallowed.

Also at the game didn't see Murphy's gay little wave at DCC, hope someone smashes the little prick next week. DCC did very well to keep his composure after that.

Re Murphy - ditto 

[hackedoff]

16 minutes ago, MightyMags1892 said:

 

Jealousy 🙂

Of having a ( currently ) more successful football team,maybe

Of everything else in your life ? Seriously doubt it.

[Chez]

1 hour ago, Charlie Wayman said:

Bloody hell! This was only his first game. Give it a break.

You are right. I was far too negative. He did fuck all in this game, but it's his first start and once he settles in that will be the time to assess him. 

What did you think of him by the way?

[Chez]

Was the general waving off of DCC (be honest, if the roles were reversed, we'd be laughing) because of the absolutely horrific tackle that got his first yellow (a great yellow for us I should point out as they'd have been two or three on one otherwise), which looked pretty barbaric.  Or was it another reason?

[Appy]

14 minutes ago, Chez said:

You are right. I was far too negative. He did fuck all in this game, but it's his first start and once he settles in that will be the time to assess him. 

What did you think of him by the way?

I thought he struggled but it didn’t help we quite often played high balls towards him when he’s being marked by one of the best defenders in the country, hard to judge him yet. 

[austsaint]

2 minutes ago, Chez said:

Was the general waving off of DCC (be honest, if the roles were reversed, we'd be laughing) because of the absolutely horrific tackle that got his first yellow (a great yellow for us I should point out as they'd have been two or three on one otherwise), which looked pretty barbaric.  Or was it another reason?

I've always though that a taunt like Murphys is childish and out-of-line.    By all means try and humiliate or belittle an opponent with skill or strength - but the prolonged waving off was poor.    Caleta-Car showed good restraint.  I'll be hoping Murphy gets clattered in the return leg.....as long as it doesn't draw a red card!

[OldNick]

1 minute ago, austsaint said:

I've always though that a taunt like Murphys is childish and out-of-line.    By all means try and humiliate or belittle an opponent with skill or strength - but the prolonged waving off was poor.    Caleta-Car showed good restraint.  I'll be hoping Murphy gets clattered in the return leg.....as long as it doesn't draw a red card!

I wondered if CC was waiting in the tunnel for him

[Totton Saint]

3 hours ago, Mr X said:

JWP wasn't involved in the game enough apart from the final ten minutes... Unfortunately we rely on him almost 100% to create chances for the striker to miss or win free kicks 

Hs corners are so floaty and laking pace. It fives the opposition too much time to see the ball's trajectory and get their heads on it like last night. When did we last score from a corner?

[OldNick]

1 hour ago, MightyMags1892 said:

Beatable? Haha we literally arent this season.

The Mighty Mags are on the charge. We'll beat you 3-0 at SJP and beat Man Utd at Wembley too. 

All hail the dirty blood money🔪🔴.

We're going to take the PL by storm soon..you just watch

It shows how poor you are if you can only beat us 3-0. Man Utd will bury you in the final as you will bottle it as you did last time you were there. Worst final in years 

[OldNick]

Who would have been responsible for picking up Lintons runs? 3 or 4 times he had a free run into the box

[Saints-1994]

Thoughts of the game are similar to the Villa game, better 2nd half but the gaps in key positions, we should have filled already, are still there…shock. 

Side note, didn’t take Newcastle fans long to become arrogant and complacent. Shame, used to enjoy our games as they had some proper football folk. Sure they’re still there, but a lot seem to be mimicking Chelsea levels of entitlement.   

[Toadhall Saint]

22 minutes ago, Appy said:

I thought he struggled but it didn’t help we quite often played high balls towards him when he’s being marked by one of the best defenders in the country, hard to judge him yet. 

Edozie made him look like a chump - to the point he took him out.

[saintoaks]

2 hours ago, MightyMags1892 said:

Beatable? Haha we literally arent this season.

The Mighty Mags are on the charge. We'll beat you 3-0 at SJP and beat Man Utd at Wembley too. 

All hail the dirty blood money🔪🔴.

We're going to take the PL by storm soon..you just watch

Be careful what you wish for 😇

[tajjuk]

2 hours ago, Saint Garrett said:

Good lord. And this is pretty much what is wrong with modern football. The premier league and top level football in general has zero morals. Fans have morals until it happens to them, and then they rub it in everyone elses faces. Well done for being minted. I personally, have zero time for shit like this.

It's all just money, it's not even a game anymore just a business or a billionaires plaything or a marketing opportunity for a totalitarian regime to sportswash. 

If Newcastle fans are turning into this, based on dirty oil money with blood on its hands then we can all hope they just turn into another Everton, that would be a healthy dose of karma. 

Edited 25 January, 2023 by tajjuk

[OldNick]

36 minutes ago, tajjuk said:

It's all just money, it's not even a game anymore just a business or a billionaires plaything or a marketing opportunity for a totalitarian regime to sportswash. 

If Newcastle fans are turning into this, based on dirty oil money with blood on its hands then we can all hope they just turn into another Everton, that would be a healthy dose of karma. 

I think its always been about money since the 60's, it is just so much more in the open now. When you think that a lot of players who can't pass a ball to another player 5-1- yards away consistantly and are on 50-60-70k a week

[Mr Nimbus]

3 hours ago, MightyMags1892 said:

Beatable? Haha we literally arent this season.

The Mighty Mags are on the charge. We'll beat you 3-0 at SJP and beat Man Utd at Wembley too. 

All hail the dirty blood money🔪🔴.

We're going to take the PL by storm soon..you just watch

You've lost this season. You don't understand what the word literally means.

[Sha la la la McNamee]

Hi Guys,

Geordie who popped on to your boards over the last couple of days just to see what the thoughts were on the other side. First can I apologise for the clown who came on here recently to troll you guys. Unfortunately keyboard warriers and bell ends like him are part of the brave new world of the interweb whatever team you support, however the vast majority of Newcastle fans would not support in any way that kind of shithouse style of behaviour, therefore I also apologise on their behalf as well.

To give another North East perpective on Southampton, I've long had a little bit of a soft spot for Saints, having worked on and off in Hampshire and the surrounds for many years. Spent a lot of time around the Eastleigh/Chandler's Ford area as well as Southampton and around the Forest and found that most Saints fans are knowledgeable and passionate about their team (one or two dicks, but again that's the same for every team).

Regarding the game, my first response was that it was a really good end to end game, much better than the Arsenal v Man U game the day before, which was like watching paint dry, despite the score. I thought that Southampton made it difficult for us and although some people are surprised at our position in the league, defensively we are spot on at the moment. I would say that Southampton made far more chances and made Pope make more saves than any team in the last 10-12 games. Pope had to make three good saves, that's three more than Arsenal forced from him! I had more of a feeling that we were going to concede a goal that for quite some time.

Re the disallowed goals, I would say if you disallow one you have disallow the other. At least there was consistency, lack of consistency in refs is the thing that really pisses me off.

I was really interested with Armstrong's performance, have always thougth that he could develop into the real deal, saw him when he was at Newcastle and also in the Reserves a few times. When he left us (was loaned out) he did well in Division 1 but then struggled in the Championship, but after a couple of years came good at that level. He might have struggled since he went to Southampton, but I think he could still come good (Just look at Joelinton, Schar, Almeron). He's still young for a striker (25) hopefully he will start hitting form (hopefully starting next Wednesday.) People around hre who know him think he's quite a decent lad as well.

Didn't think Pope should have been sent off, if anything your lad had made a back for him by pulling out, although I am of the Norman Hunter/Wyn Davies generation who thinks it's all gone a bit soft.

To all of you who head up north I hope you have a safe trip and enjoy yourselves (but not the result), I've done the journey between the two cities more times than I can care to remember, and it's a long old journey (once drove their for a one hour meeting and then had to drive straight back, nearly killed me)

 

 

[OldNick]

8 minutes ago, Sha la la la McNamee said:

although I am of the Norman Hunter/Wyn Davies generation who thinks it's all gone a bit soft.

 

 

 

Ron Davies was the man , Wyn the poor mans Ron lol. I was about 10 when you beat us in the Texaco cup final at yours. John Tudor I think scored the winner. Broke my heart then

[the saint in winchester]

3 hours ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

Just seen the highlights on Sky, they didn't even show Che's one on one miss ffs. Arma's goal probably rightly disallowed.

Also at the game didn't see Murphy's gay little wave at DCC, hope someone smashes the little prick next week. DCC did very well to keep his composure after that.

Maybe, but as someone else also observed, he was scythed down in the process. So it should have been a penalty before any possible handball.

Re Murphy, I don't advocate retribution, but I do tend to agree your sentiment. If we are well out of it by 85 minutes, a job for Lyanco. And do the gay little wave back to him as he lies there broken.

[saintoaks]

15 minutes ago, Sha la la la McNamee said:

Hi Guys,

Geordie who popped on to your boards over the last couple of days just to see what the thoughts were on the other side. First can I apologise for the clown who came on here recently to troll you guys. Unfortunately keyboard warriers and bell ends like him are part of the brave new world of the interweb whatever team you support, however the vast majority of Newcastle fans would not support in any way that kind of shithouse style of behaviour, therefore I also apologise on their behalf as well.

To give another North East perpective on Southampton, I've long had a little bit of a soft spot for Saints, having worked on and off in Hampshire and the surrounds for many years. Spent a lot of time around the Eastleigh/Chandler's Ford area as well as Southampton and around the Forest and found that most Saints fans are knowledgeable and passionate about their team (one or two dicks, but again that's the same for every team).

Regarding the game, my first response was that it was a really good end to end game, much better than the Arsenal v Man U game the day before, which was like watching paint dry, despite the score. I thought that Southampton made it difficult for us and although some people are surprised at our position in the league, defensively we are spot on at the moment. I would say that Southampton made far more chances and made Pope make more saves than any team in the last 10-12 games. Pope had to make three good saves, that's three more than Arsenal forced from him! I had more of a feeling that we were going to concede a goal that for quite some time.

Re the disallowed goals, I would say if you disallow one you have disallow the other. At least there was consistency, lack of consistency in refs is the thing that really pisses me off.

I was really interested with Armstrong's performance, have always thougth that he could develop into the real deal, saw him when he was at Newcastle and also in the Reserves a few times. When he left us (was loaned out) he did well in Division 1 but then struggled in the Championship, but after a couple of years came good at that level. He might have struggled since he went to Southampton, but I think he could still come good (Just look at Joelinton, Schar, Almeron). He's still young for a striker (25) hopefully he will start hitting form (hopefully starting next Wednesday.) People around hre who know him think he's quite a decent lad as well.

Didn't think Pope should have been sent off, if anything your lad had made a back for him by pulling out, although I am of the Norman Hunter/Wyn Davies generation who thinks it's all gone a bit soft.

To all of you who head up north I hope you have a safe trip and enjoy yourselves (but not the result), I've done the journey between the two cities more times than I can care to remember, and it's a long old journey (once drove their for a one hour meeting and then had to drive straight back, nearly killed me)

 

 

Good read, thanks and all the best, I'll be there next week, If we score the first goal we're in for a cracker. 

[the saint in winchester]

21 minutes ago, Sha la la la McNamee said:

Hi Guys,

Geordie who popped on to your boards over the last couple of days just to see what the thoughts were on the other side. First can I apologise for the clown who came on here recently to troll you guys. Unfortunately keyboard warriers and bell ends like him are part of the brave new world of the interweb whatever team you support, however the vast majority of Newcastle fans would not support in any way that kind of shithouse style of behaviour, therefore I also apologise on their behalf as well.

To give another North East perpective on Southampton, I've long had a little bit of a soft spot for Saints, having worked on and off in Hampshire and the surrounds for many years. Spent a lot of time around the Eastleigh/Chandler's Ford area as well as Southampton and around the Forest and found that most Saints fans are knowledgeable and passionate about their team (one or two dicks, but again that's the same for every team).

Regarding the game, my first response was that it was a really good end to end game, much better than the Arsenal v Man U game the day before, which was like watching paint dry, despite the score. I thought that Southampton made it difficult for us and although some people are surprised at our position in the league, defensively we are spot on at the moment. I would say that Southampton made far more chances and made Pope make more saves than any team in the last 10-12 games. Pope had to make three good saves, that's three more than Arsenal forced from him! I had more of a feeling that we were going to concede a goal that for quite some time.

Re the disallowed goals, I would say if you disallow one you have disallow the other. At least there was consistency, lack of consistency in refs is the thing that really pisses me off.

I was really interested with Armstrong's performance, have always thougth that he could develop into the real deal, saw him when he was at Newcastle and also in the Reserves a few times. When he left us (was loaned out) he did well in Division 1 but then struggled in the Championship, but after a couple of years came good at that level. He might have struggled since he went to Southampton, but I think he could still come good (Just look at Joelinton, Schar, Almeron). He's still young for a striker (25) hopefully he will start hitting form (hopefully starting next Wednesday.) People around hre who know him think he's quite a decent lad as well.

Didn't think Pope should have been sent off, if anything your lad had made a back for him by pulling out, although I am of the Norman Hunter/Wyn Davies generation who thinks it's all gone a bit soft.

To all of you who head up north I hope you have a safe trip and enjoy yourselves (but not the result), I've done the journey between the two cities more times than I can care to remember, and it's a long old journey (once drove their for a one hour meeting and then had to drive straight back, nearly killed me)

 

 

Lala, you were doing well ... until your penultimate paragraph. "Pulling out"? He saw he was about to be smashed by a juggernauting Pope (that conjures up an odd image :)) so rightly halted his run. Goalkeepers are an overprotected species at the best of times, but to protect a charging goalkeeper when going after a ball he has no right to be going after is ridiculous. Running without due care and attention. I called for a yellow or red card at the time, but as our players were more concerned with Djenepo's health, we weren't in the referee's face demanding a card. At the absolute minimum, it was a foul and a chance for our free-kick maestro to take on Pope.

[Sha la la la McNamee]

3 minutes ago, the saint in winchester said:

Lala, you were doing well ... until your penultimate paragraph. "Pulling out"? He saw he was about to be smashed by a juggernauting Pope (that conjures up an odd image :)) so rightly halted his run. Goalkeepers are an overprotected species at the best of times, but to protect a charging goalkeeper when going after a ball he has no right to be going after is ridiculous. Running without due care and attention. I called for a yellow or red card at the time, but as our players were more concerned with Djenepo's health, we weren't in the referee's face demanding a card. At the absolute minimum, it was a foul and a chance for our free-kick maestro to take on Pope.

If you watch it again, Pope made contact before he made contact with the player, if it was in the area and Pope had gone in that way with his fists to pump it away it would have been seen as a perfectly fair (as long as he made contact with the ball before he made contact with the player). As I say my perspective may be based on my generation. I played local amateur football in the 70's and 80's as a fullback. If you could make contact with the ball and then clatter the winger at the same time, all's the better. To be honest that's why I would often chose to watch a Gaelic Football match than some Premier League games these days. I agree with you about too much protection for keepers, this is how it used to be:

 

[Juneau]

Where will this misconception stop whereby ‘getting to the ball first’ means you are absolved of any responsibility of being reckless, dangerous and causing harm to another player.

If Pope on Djnepo happens literally anywhere else on the pitch with any other player dropped in instead of Pope, then at the VERY least that’s a foul. 
 

The point that Pope has had to come out of his usual area to commit the action further enforces that it was not a standard play and therefore Djenepo also wouldn’t have been expecting to be bodied in that moment.

But hey it’s always been a thing, not limited to the game last night.

[spyinthesky]

Havent read all the posts on the game but wonder if KWP's yellow card for 'Time Wasting' in  the first half has been commented upon.

What on earth was the Ref thinking about?

No balancing up when Pope and others were wasting time near the end?

With regard to throw ins, we arent particularly good at them whether they go in our favour or have to defend when opponents have the ball.

Newcastle where far better at this phase of the game as they were on a couple of occasions when they played swift balls from free kicks as we dozed off.

Whilst disappointed at the result, I thought it was a decent game to watch and a relatively good performance by the Saints against a side of the up, thanks to a shed load of investment.

[JRM]

22 minutes ago, spyinthesky said:

Havent read all the posts on the game but wonder if KWP's yellow card for 'Time Wasting' in  the first half has been commented upon.

What on earth was the Ref thinking about?

No balancing up when Pope and others were wasting time near the end?

With regard to throw ins, we arent particularly good at them whether they go in our favour or have to defend when opponents have the ball.

Newcastle where far better at this phase of the game as they were on a couple of occasions when they played swift balls from free kicks as we dozed off.

Whilst disappointed at the result, I thought it was a decent game to watch and a relatively good performance by the Saints against a side of the up, thanks to a shed load of investment.

Good point, that was a ridiculously harsh yellow, was clear at that point the ref had received a visit from some Arabian businessmen letting him know what was expected of him