notnowcato Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 2 hours ago, Dman said: Has it been sucessful though? Sucess will be defined on if we gain promotion. Had Wilcox been able to attract his number 1 target (Enzo), we may well be sitting top of the table and I'd agree. He didn't though and we'll never know how it would have (or indeed may continue to) pan out. For me, I'd be judging him next season if we fail to go up - what can he produce or if we do go up, can he keep us up. So unsuccessful that only Man Utd would be interested in our Jase...🙄 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Man U fans thinking wilcox will be head of academy which was essentially what he was at city so not sure if that is correct and if it is whats the appeal more so than at city. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 2 hours ago, franniesTache said: What i find interesting is that when Danny Rohl left you heard shedload of noise from inside the club about how the wrong person was going. When Paul Mitchell left the noises from the club were of massive panic. When Joe Shields started talking to Chelsea there was real anger behind the scenes, but with Wilcox the noises seem to mostly be a case of "we haven't heard about this and a shrug". That reaction alone makes me not as worried as other people about him going. one wonders why they aren't all over Ross Wilson...... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franniesTache Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 25 minutes ago, Turkish said: one wonders why they aren't all over Ross Wilson...... What goes unsaid is as important as what is said right? If only our fans could learn to read between the lines with what the club puts out into the public they'd see so much closer to the truth 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 1 hour ago, Turkish said: one wonders why they aren't all over Ross Wilson...... Sam Jewell is Paul Jewell's son so probably at the same level of expertise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 1 hour ago, franniesTache said: What goes unsaid is as important as what is said right? If only our fans could learn to read between the lines with what the club puts out into the public they'd see so much closer to the truth We are signing Mbappe ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 He’s definitely been spoken to and the club have been aware for a short while. He will definitely go if Utd decide they want him and pay the compo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 29 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said: He’s definitely been spoken to and the club have been aware for a short while. He will definitely go if Utd decide they want him and pay the compo. Who wouldn't?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 6 hours ago, manji said: Wilcox hasn’t been approached. Ratcliffe only got the green light to takeover on Wednesday. I keep a close eye on Twitter when this sort of thing happens , not for sources but punters reaction. It was was full of constantly reports rehashes of the same story. United fans were posting lists of the “new” set up Answorth, Wilcox, Brightons Sam Jewel , Sir Dave Brailsford, Omar Berrada is new CEO ( that ones true ) They were already predicting who they were going to sign even Mbappe 🙄bearing a week ago they were predicting the Ratcliffe takeover was off. I don’t doubt United have there lists. United not being helped by Chelsea trying to restructure their set up. Might be trying to convince myself but I’m not sure Wilcox will go . He’s aware we have a robust plan in place if we get promoted and also if we don’t get promoted. Don’t doubt this will make some on here hope Wilcox go even more. A robust plan to be part of getting a smallish provincial club back to being a midtable premier league club or part of a robust plan to be part of taking one of the worlds biggest clubs back to being ones of the worlds biggest clubs. Hmmm, let me think about that for a second..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie May Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 7 hours ago, trousers said: Source? In today’s Guardian from a tier one journalist https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2024/feb/15/manchester-united-ineos-southampton-jason-wilcox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 5 minutes ago, Maggie May said: In today’s Guardian from a tier one journalist https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2024/feb/15/manchester-united-ineos-southampton-jason-wilcox It says conversations have taken place.Hope they went through the correct channels because. as far as I am aware, there's been nothing official from SFC. Still, it's another of the big greedy clubs so why should they play by the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Find it amazing that some still don't know how these kind of conversations and moves come about! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 9 minutes ago, saintant said: It says conversations have taken place.Hope they went through the correct channels because. as far as I am aware, there's been nothing official from SFC. Still, it's another of the big greedy clubs so why should they play by the rules. It seems we might not have gone through the correct channels getting RM. tis teh way of the world 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 2 minutes ago, Dusic said: Find it amazing that some still don't know how these kind of conversations and moves come about! I think we're all pretty sure how they work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 3 hours ago, Convict Colony said: Man U fans thinking wilcox will be head of academy which was essentially what he was at city so not sure if that is correct and if it is whats the appeal more so than at city. You've left the bottom three tiers off, culminating in Martin Semmens as Chief Fluffer and Head of Biscuits... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 So, unless I've got my chronology wrong, either Russell was being economic with the truth at yesterday's press conference, if he knew about the reported "conversations" that had already taken place between Wilcox and Man Utd, or he genuinely hadn't been told and will therefore be completely pissed off given he said he would have hoped Wilcox would've mentioned it to him beforehand...? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 21 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said: You've left the bottom three tiers off, culminating in Martin Semmens as Chief Fluffer and Head of Biscuits... Dont hate them too much they missed off their own version of the COT 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 1 hour ago, Turkish said: A robust plan to be part of getting a smallish provincial club back to being a midtable premier league club or part of a robust plan to be part of taking one of the worlds biggest clubs back to being ones of the worlds biggest clubs. Hmmm, let me think about that for a second..... Trust me I get what you are saying. I’ve been very assertive in the past with some of my comments and sources. This one has blindsided me and I even mentioned earlier I maybe fooling myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob60 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Not happening according to Martin last night. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/24126038.martin-says-absolutely-nothing-wilcox-man-united-links/?ref=ebls&nid=1093&u=2ca052fbdef9b014cb84997409281075&date=170224 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 16 hours ago, saintant said: It says conversations have taken place.Hope they went through the correct channels because. as far as I am aware, there's been nothing official from SFC. Still, it's another of the big greedy clubs so why should they play by the rules. We keep having these kind of comments. In the football world, all clubs make informal approaches to people they want, whether players, managers, execs. If there's interest, then the formal approach gets made. The suggestion that it only happens to us, and that we don't do it, is plain wrong...Martin and his guys being a case in point. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 15 hours ago, trousers said: So, unless I've got my chronology wrong, either Russell was being economic with the truth at yesterday's press conference, if he knew about the reported "conversations" that had already taken place between Wilcox and Man Utd, or he genuinely hadn't been told and will therefore be completely pissed off given he said he would have hoped Wilcox would've mentioned it to him beforehand...? Martin wouldn't necessarily know. Why would Wilcox tell anyone about talks he may be having? He'll want to keep his powder dry at saints, and only say he's going if he is. Nothing unusual about that, and the golden rule in this sort of situation is never reveal your plans until they're concrete. He may go, he may not, but in Willcox's shows I'd say nowt to nobody until I have a firm offer and have made a decision to take it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 (edited) 6 minutes ago, egg said: We keep having these kind of comments. In the football world, all clubs make informal approaches to people they want, whether players, managers, execs. If there's interest, then the formal approach gets made. The suggestion that it only happens to us, and that we don't do it, is plain wrong...Martin and his guys being a case in point. Exactly. If the club came out yesterday and plastered all over their social media "Southampton Football Club would like to annouce have had an approach from Manchester United about aquiring the services of Jason Wilcox" would that be better? Or would the people moaning about unofficial/ secret approaches just flip over to moaning about how Saints are spineless and rolled over immediately? This is just the shit that happens. I'd ignore Martin's comments as well - that's what he has been told to say (or he doesnt actually know because it's not really any of his business). If he goes, he goes. Either way he can't work for MUFC until at least the summer, and it won't impact our season in any meaningful way, so don't worry about it. Edited February 17 by CB Fry 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 19 hours ago, Convict Colony said: Man U fans thinking wilcox will be head of academy which was essentially what he was at city so not sure if that is correct and if it is whats the appeal more so than at city. He’ll be technical director so a reduction in responsibility to what he has now but at a much bigger club. I’ll be amazed if he doesn’t go. So who can we ‘steal’ that can carry on the turnaround at Saints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68302904 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabrice29 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, Toadhall Saint said: https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/24126038.martin-says-absolutely-nothing-wilcox-man-united-links/?ref=ebls&nid=1093&u=2ca052fbdef9b014cb84997409281075&date=170224 Alfie seems to have forgot his own massive "at the moment" caveat that he himself put out there originally. Tend to think Erwin is right in his post above. He's obviously been sounded out and it's down to whether United decide to make an official approach or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 I remember when we had senior members of staff who would regularly turn down approaches from the biggest clubs in Europe, like AC Milan to stay with us. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, egg said: Martin wouldn't necessarily know. Why would Wilcox tell anyone about talks he may be having? I'm inclined to agree with you, I was just echoing what Martin said himself, i.e. that he would be disappointed if Wilcox hadn't mentioned anything to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Eddie Howe has expressed his fears over Dan Ashworth’s access to Newcastle’s transfer secrets - and wants his likely defection to Manchester United resolved imminently. In what is an extraordinary situation, the sporting director was still scheduled to lead planning meetings with first-team scouts on Friday, despite Howe revealing Ashworth has not said he wants to stay at the club this week. He also said it was the job of ‘someone above me’ to answer whether the 52-year-old should still be in the building amid links to their Premier League rivals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 2 hours ago, CB Fry said: Exactly. If the club came out yesterday and plastered all over their social media "Southampton Football Club would like to annouce have had an approach from Manchester United about aquiring the services of Jason Wilcox" would that be better? Or would the people moaning about unofficial/ secret approaches just flip over to moaning about how Saints are spineless and rolled over immediately? This is just the shit that happens. I'd ignore Martin's comments as well - that's what he has been told to say (or he doesnt actually know because it's not really any of his business). If he goes, he goes. Either way he can't work for MUFC until at least the summer, and it won't impact our season in any meaningful way, so don't worry about it. No but it might impact our recruitment in the summer if we have no DoF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 8 minutes ago, Fitzhugh Fella said: No but it might impact our recruitment in the summer if we have no DoF I’m going to go out on a limb and say we will probably replace him. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/southampton-issue-fresh-response-to-manchester-united-s-interest-in-jason-wilcox/ar-BB1iqfxX Really doesn’t look like it’s happening. RM spoke directly to Jason Wilcox who told him there’s nothing in it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 4 minutes ago, manji said: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/southampton-issue-fresh-response-to-manchester-united-s-interest-in-jason-wilcox/ar-BB1iqfxX Really doesn’t look like it’s happening. RM spoke directly to Jason Wilcox who told him there’s nothing in it Think you’re kidding yourself mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 9 minutes ago, manji said: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/southampton-issue-fresh-response-to-manchester-united-s-interest-in-jason-wilcox/ar-BB1iqfxX Really doesn’t look like it’s happening. RM spoke directly to Jason Wilcox who told him there’s nothing in it There won't be anything in it until there is an official approach, but I think it's pretty clear that there have been some informal chats to gauge interest. We'll see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 2 hours ago, ErwinK1961 said: Think you’re kidding yourself mate. Maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 8 minutes ago, manji said: Maybe Pretty sure you told us with some authority that reports linking us with Nathan Jones as our new manager was clueless media speculation and wide of the matk. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsLoyal Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Two scumbags here, the media Man united knobhead who sanctioned this amateurish media brief. Then the coont Ornstein sucking the latters plums and putting it out just before the West Brom presser started. What’s Sibley doing in response ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 35 minutes ago, SaintsLoyal said: Two scumbags here, the media Man united knobhead who sanctioned this amateurish media brief. Then the coont Ornstein sucking the latters plums and putting it out just before the West Brom presser started. What’s Sibley doing in response ? Related but not the cause, but interestingly enough I have noticed Henry Winter become Man U's premier mouthpiece over the last year, he's really descredited himself as a independent journo in my eyes, he sucks off anything related to Man U, he's probably working on a story at the moment how Marcus Rashford getting parking tickets for parking on pavements is racist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 4 hours ago, S-Clarke said: There won't be anything in it until there is an official approach, but I think it's pretty clear that there have been some informal chats to gauge interest. We'll see what happens. I think we all know what happens in reality - it just hasn't progressed enough to be confirmed yet. And also no guarantee we would have a replacement for the summer because these kind of roles inevitably involve someone moving from another club, with notice periods due to the nature of the role - just like Wilcox served before joining and Crocker served before leaving. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 4 hours ago, CB Fry said: Pretty sure you told us with some authority that reports linking us with Nathan Jones as our new manager was clueless media speculation and wide of the matk. Jeez I couldn’t remember what you posted lasted week. Anyway that’s why I said “ maybe “ and admitted this has blindsided me. I’m just posting my thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 4 hours ago, SaintsLoyal said: Two scumbags here, the media Man united knobhead who sanctioned this amateurish media brief. Then the coont Ornstein sucking the latters plums and putting it out just before the West Brom presser started. What’s Sibley doing in response ? That’s my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gallaghert366@yahoo.com Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 On 17/02/2024 at 10:24, egg said: but in Willcox's shows 🤣 Are you a Brummie? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 5 minutes ago, gallaghert366@yahoo.com said: 🤣 Are you a Brummie? Very good 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 The turnover at DoF level must have been quite disruptive recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Would be hugely disappointed to lose Wilcox to be honest. Think he has been highly influential in repairing the fabric of the club over the last year or so. A difficult man to replace. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 39 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said: Would be hugely disappointed to lose Wilcox to be honest. Think he has been highly influential in repairing the fabric of the club over the last year or so. A difficult man to replace. Not too worried myself unless he was to target russ as well .. we have still been going for a lot of ex city under him(understandable) but we where doing this pre Wilcox anyway martin gets all the credit for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 On 17/02/2024 at 09:37, Doctoroncall said: He’ll be technical director so a reduction in responsibility to what he has now but at a much bigger club. I’ll be amazed if he doesn’t go. So who can we ‘steal’ that can carry on the turnaround at Saints? He was at a much bigger club before he joined us though. Doesn’t make much sense to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 2 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said: He was at a much bigger club before he joined us though. Doesn’t make much sense to me. He reached Academy Director at City and had been there a fair while. He wanted to go beyond the academy level but no opportunity at City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 https://www.sportbible.com/football/football-news/man-utd/man-utd-dan-ashworth-chelsea-premier-league-transfers-514073-20240218?fbclid=IwAR0XsDa5gByG84Z7mwnsmdGA-Zm3ytspNKYd8UUECOvQhf4OEcfpsmwr6nU 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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