Lyanco

[Whitey Grandad]

Absolutely dreadful player. Why does any manager ever pick him?

[Saint Garrett]

Love his heart, but it’s not enough at this level, nowhere near good enough to play in this league unfortunately 

[woodsaint1]

Remember some fans last season creaming themselves when Lyanco was trying to lob it over opposition players on the edge of his own box (cant remember the game, think it was in the cup though). To me that was an alarming sign. Yes you may be Brazilian (or half-Brazilian or whatever) but stick to whats expected of you - defending first. You dont see the likes of Thiago Silva or Marquinhos attempting this shit. 

Takes stupid risks when he doesnt need to and mostly gets caught in dangerous positions. He's also a liability in the tackle and in the air - surprised he hasnt been sent off as yet. For all the criticism of Bednarek (which has included me quite often), he doesnt take stupid risks and sticks to the basics, albeit the backwards/sidewards passes have been frustrating. I'm hoping we go out and buy another CB, but if we arent able to then we could do much worse than replacing Lyanco with Bednarek.

[LeTiss07]

1 hour ago, Give it to Ron said:

Why did people clap him off he was abysmal . He was at Fulham and was tonight yet gets applauded off!

I clapped as he came round, I see no benefit to booing individual players, and it was a consolatory clap nothing more. He knew he made a massive mistake and tbh looked gutted by it. In terms of his play, Jones has clearly told the players whoever was the middle of the back 3 to play long balls to the wings and it just doesn't suit this team. Personally I wouldn't have him in the starting 11 unless others are unavailable but he is, so I'll support him.

We're in a relegation dogfight. If you're a player and getting booed by your own fans, would you dig in and try harder or think you're paid whatever the result, probably get another club if necessary, screw the fans and club? Interesting to see that Salisu couldn't get down the tunnel quick enough at the end of the game.

Some fans tonight booed when we played it round the back waiting for an opening, others booed when we played it long. The current atmosphere is toxic, so no wonder the players' heads drop when we go a goal down. Unfortunately the appointment of Jones was not the right one and without the fans behind the team I feel there's absolutely no chance of us staying up. Unless Jones can turn it round fast, I think he'll have to go.

[Toussaint]

11 hours ago, SotonianWill said:

I loved the fact he walked around the pitch after being subbed slowly as he expected to be applauded, only for people in the itchen to be calling him shit. 

He walked slowly because he was struggling to walk.

[saintwbu]

He doesn’t pick himself, he tries his hardest, I wouldn’t boo an individual player who I think is trying. He knew how bad that error was, and it didn’t help him that most of the fans knew DCC should’ve been picked ahead of him anyway. Someone like Salisu or KWP might’ve been able to shake it off, he was the worst player that could’ve done it (apart from maybe Moi). Three at the back doesn’t work, it never has for us, and at this rate it never will.

[Lighthouse]

TBF he did play a significant part in sh*t housing a point out of Arsenal, only two other teams have manage that this season. He's not a particularly good player but used correctly he can sometimes be the horrible b*stard other teams hate playing against.

[SambaMaverick]

I'd rather have Jack Stephens in there.

[Give it to Ron]

I didn’t say I boo’ed him I just don’t get why he was applauded off . What did he do in the time he was on that deserved applause?

[Appy]

42 minutes ago, SambaMaverick said:

I'd rather have Jack Stephens in there.

This. 
 

And that’s saying something. 

[Turkish]

11 hours ago, Badger said:

Who was it we looked at and passed on to sign Lyanco instead ? 
 

Another great move by Semmens & Co. 

We were in for Joe Worrall but he would have cost a few quid more. He had one of the easiest games of his career last night.

[AlexLaw76]

That was one hell of a performance against City.  Absolute monster at the back

Genuine 10/10 

[Huffton]

Fair play to the guy very happy to have my words shoved down my throat. Still looks capable of a disaster or two though...🤣

[Turkish]

40 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

That was one hell of a performance against City.  Absolute monster at the back

Genuine 10/10 

He was absolutely magnificent. Booted it away when he had to, was calm when he was able strong, vocal, looked a proper player. My MOM

[Lord Duckhunter]

We need to get hold of the 2 centre halves at Havant, they must be some players if they’d keep Lyanco out of that side. 

[S-Clarke]

Balls of steal. He's still got a calamity in him though as he gets over emotional (that dive in on Foden), but because we had 3 at the back we could somewhat afford him taking those risks. He did have more calmness to his game generally though, and maybe as part of a 3 with him playing on the edge like that is how we get the best out of him.

It does kind of make the Havant manager sound a little daft.

Edited 11 January, 2023 by S-Clarke

[Lord Duckhunter]

Just now, S-Clarke said:

Balls of steal. He's still got a calamity in him though as he gets over emotional (that dive in on Foden), but because we had 3 at the back we could somewhat afford him taking those risks. He did have more calmness to his game generally though.

 

He played full back for most of the game, with 2 centre halves. 

[S-Clarke]

1 minute ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

He played full back for most of the game, with 2 centre halves. 

It changed somewhat if we were on or off the ball really, that's why I think we may have figured out a way to get the best out of Lyanco. In a 2, he's too much of a risk, but in a 3 when we can also deploy him at full back it just removes that element of risk...but doesn't take away his aggression, which he does bring to the side.

[Bailey]

I’m always very critical of Lyanco, so only right to give credit when it’s due. Aside from when he dived in first-half and got caught out of position, he was exceptional tonight. Seemed to be notably calmer and in control of his emotions too. Fair play.

[woodsaint1]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

He was absolutely magnificent. Booted it away when he had to, was calm when he was able strong, vocal, looked a proper player. My MOM

Yeah mine too. Fantastic bit of anticipation and then the early ball for Mara's goal. Not sure how Djenepo picked up MoM when he only played about 55 mins

[Roo1976]

2 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

Balls of steal. He's still got a calamity in him though as he gets over emotional (that dive in on Foden), but because we had 3 at the back we could somewhat afford him taking those risks. He did have more calmness to his game generally though, and maybe as part of a 3 with him playing on the edge like that is how we get the best out of him.

It does kind of make the Havant manager sound a little daft.

No why does it ?Its his opinion as a fan like the rest of us that have things to type on about,just because hes in the management part of the game dosent make him any less of a fan. Weve all said things on this platform  he just had a voice to not type. Maybe we dont all agree with whats said but hey none has given NJ the benefit  of bedding in what has to be said on our game day we can match  a lot but unfortunately the reason hes here is because we are fragile and (still are) in need of some moral boosting games.

[AlexLaw76]

6 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

It changed somewhat if we were on or off the ball really, that's why I think we may have figured out a way to get the best out of Lyanco. In a 2, he's too much of a risk, but in a 3 when we can also deploy him at full back it just removes that element of risk...but doesn't take away his aggression, which he does bring to the side.

we definitely dropped into a 3 CB set up without the ball.  He definitely shifts right and is on the front foot when we have the ball.

[wild-saint]

On 07/01/2023 at 14:45, Saint86 said:

Have we just accidently won a game - certainly two very lucky goals.

Palace had more possession, 8 corners to our 1, 13shots to our 6... and we committed twice their number of fouls. Talk about winning whilst playing shite.

 

4 hours ago, Roo1976 said:

No why does it ?Its his opinion as a fan like the rest of us that have things to type on about,just because hes in the management part of the game dosent make him any less of a fan. Weve all said things on this platform  he just had a voice to not type. Maybe we dont all agree with whats said but hey none has given NJ the benefit  of bedding in what has to be said on our game day we can match  a lot but unfortunately the reason hes here is because we are fragile and (still are) in need of some moral boosting games.

He maybe be a fan but he is also a manager going public with comments on both a manager and player of another team suggesting that they are both shit. Totally unprofessional and deserved to be called out on it.  

[The Cat]

Ignore the assist, his best bit of the night was when he chased Grealish across the pitch into the centre circle and then clattered into him.

[Lord Duckhunter]

31 minutes ago, wild-saint said:

 

He maybe be a fan but he is also a manager going public with comments on both a manager and player of another team suggesting that they are both shit. Totally unprofessional and deserved to be called out on it.  

Yes, it was spun as a “peer” of Jones’, a fellow manager telling it as it is. Some of the posters on here lapped it up, as if Doswell is suddenly the go to pundit. It was classless from him and classless from Blackmore to leave some of the pony he spouted unchallenged. Both should feel like chumps this morning. 

[egg]

49 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Yes, it was spun as a “peer” of Jones’, a fellow manager telling it as it is. Some of the posters on here lapped it up, as if Doswell is suddenly the go to pundit. It was classless from him and classless from Blackmore to leave some of the pony he spouted unchallenged. Both should feel like chumps this morning. 

What they both said was bang on when they said it. Jones looked like a flyweight fighting with the heavyweights, and there was nothing wrong with pointing it out.

Doswell spoke as a fan, but one who just happened to have more credibility than the likes of you and me. They've got nothing to be ashamed of, but Jones should be embarrassed by what his team served up before the weekend. 

Edited 12 January, 2023 by egg

[Nolan]

 

[Roo1976]

4 hours ago, wild-saint said:

 

He maybe be a fan but he is also a manager going public with comments on both a manager and player of another team suggesting that they are both shit. Totally unprofessional and deserved to be called out on it.  

As professional  fans  should we be aswell?..........Lyanco has mistakes in him all the back 3-4-5 have,but in consecutive games on the run of form we are currently in it was an observation. So the interviewer shouldn't  have asked the question then?.Seems to have bucked the trend for a while hasn't it or.......not .

[VectisSaint]

3 hours ago, egg said:

What they both said was bang on when they said it. Jones looked like a flyweight fighting with the heavyweights, and there was nothing wrong with pointing it out.

Doswell spoke as a fan, but one who just happened to have more credibility than the likes of you and me. They've got nothing to be ashamed of, but Jones should be embarrassed by what his team served up before the weekend. 

What sort of a Saints fan manages Skates Reserves?

😉

[egg]

Just now, VectisSaint said:

What sort of a Saints fan manages Skates Reserves?

😉

Ha!! That's a good point! 

[once_bitterne]

Even playing well last night he still made one defensive howler that could easily have led to a goal being conceded which is not what you want in a defender.

[S-Clarke]

9 hours ago, Roo1976 said:

No why does it ?Its his opinion as a fan like the rest of us that have things to type on about,just because hes in the management part of the game dosent make him any less of a fan. Weve all said things on this platform  he just had a voice to not type. Maybe we dont all agree with whats said but hey none has given NJ the benefit  of bedding in what has to be said on our game day we can match  a lot but unfortunately the reason hes here is because we are fragile and (still are) in need of some moral boosting games.

There was nothing wrong with his opinion and it was somewhat telling to hear that from a fellow manager, my main issue is that he got over emotional in his comments and that lacked professionalism as a follow manager. He should not have said ''Lyanco wouldn't get into my Havant team'', as that's an incredibly daft thing to say. He clearly would.

[John Boy Saint]

4 hours ago, The Cat said:

Ignore the assist, his best bit of the night was when he chased Grealish across the pitch into the centre circle and then clattered into him.

Think that was closely followed by Grealish body check Moussa then making out it was an accident going to apologise and Lyanco shoving him away - honk Grealish thought we had gotten rid of our hitman - but no they have another with a bit more crazy in his eyes.

He read that cross field pass so well to intercept and was well on the way to a great assist whilst Grealish and Foden were still analysing who was at fault. 
 

[STEVEADAMS]

4 hours ago, The Cat said:

Ignore the assist, his best bit of the night was when he chased Grealish across the pitch into the centre circle and then clattered into him.

Did it mess his hair up 😂

[Lord Duckhunter]

4 hours ago, egg said:

 

Doswell spoke as a fan, but one who just happened to have more credibility than the likes of you and me. They've got nothing to be ashamed of, 

It wasn’t criticism of performances, he was “out of his depth”. If anyone is out of their depth it’s clearly The non league manager in his fledgling punditry career. 

Because he’s made a cock of himself it’s now a “fan” talking. It wasn’t spun like that,  it was a “peer” who happened to be a fan. Solent and plenty on here we’re claiming that made it more “damning”. Some of us called it out as classless at the time, and regardless of last night it will remain so. A peer wouldn’t have come out with such pony and any fan who thinks Lyanco couldn’t get in the Havant side clearly lacks credibility. 

Edited 12 January, 2023 by Lord Duckhunter

[egg]

51 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

It wasn’t criticism of performances, he was “out of his depth”. If anyone is out of their depth it’s clearly The non league manager in his fledgling punditry career. 

Because he’s made a cock of himself it’s now a “fan” talking. It wasn’t spun like that,  it was a “peer” who happened to be a fan. Solent and plenty on here we’re claiming that made it more “damning”. Some of us called it out as classless at the time, and regardless of last night it will remain so. A peer wouldn’t have come out with such pony and any fan who thinks Lyanco couldn’t get in the Havant side clearly lacks credibility. 

We'll agree to differ Duck. The Lyanco point was plainly flippancy, I certainly didn't take it literally. Re Jones, I think all of us until probably last night thought he was miles out if his depth and looked like a lower league manager, ie not far above the level Doswell has managed at, and is probably capable of managing at. I have no issue with him calling what looked like a shovel a shovel - others can think differently. With the benefit of hindsight he may may well have been wrong in his assessment, but that applies to probably 95% of fans. 

[Nolan]

1 hour ago, once_bitterne said:

Even playing well last night he still made one defensive howler that could easily have led to a goal being conceded which is not what you want in a defender.

Man City last night proved that no team is error free.

The important thing is we score more to cover any potential issues 

Edited 12 January, 2023 by Nolan

[Lord Duckhunter]

5 minutes ago, egg said:

We'll agree to differ Duck. The Lyanco point was plainly flippancy, I certainly didn't take it literally. Re Jones, I think all of us until probably last night thought he was miles out if his depth and looked like a lower league manager, ie not far above the level Doswell has managed at, and is probably capable of managing at. I have no issue with him calling what looked like a shovel a shovel - others can think differently. With the benefit of hindsight he may may well have been wrong in his assessment, but that applies to probably 95% of fans. 

You’ve backed up the exact point I made. Jones has proved himself a fine championship manager. A level far higher than Doswell has played or managed at. Instead of saying he’s a championship manger trying to manage in the Premier league, he’s non league or Sunday league. All of a sudden Doswell is a peer. It’s nonsense,  he’s a pretty successful championship manager whose been given a chance to step up a level. 40 years ago it would have been considered normal. 

[saintant]

Lyanco showed last night that there is a player there. I like the way he was initially employed as a right back but the whole team was flexible enough to adapt into 5 at the back when needed with Djenepo dropping into the wing back role. That shows smart thinking and I hope we can maintain that system going forward because it also means we have more height in the side. Certainly until Tino is back and up to speed Lyanco at right back must be an option. He showed with the interception, swift break down the wing and early pass to Mara that he can be a good offensive player. He was calmer last night and needs to maintain that because he's a better player for it although his obvious passion is infectious and raises those around him. Along with others I've criticised his rashness but last night he was immense other than one error of judgement when he rushed across but failed to stop Grealish surging down the wing. He's learning and getting better so long may that continue.

Edited 12 January, 2023 by saintant

[egg]

3 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

You’ve backed up the exact point I made. Jones has proved himself a fine championship manager. A level far higher than Doswell has played or managed at. Instead of saying he’s a championship manger trying to manage in the Premier league, he’s non league or Sunday league. All of a sudden Doswell is a peer. It’s nonsense,  he’s a pretty successful championship manager whose been given a chance to step up a level. 40 years ago it would have been considered normal. 

Doswell spoke as a fan, but a fan with more credibility than the likes of you and me. Whatever your thoughts on whether Doswell should have said what he said, and whatever your thoughts on his ability (ignoring that Doswell is one half of a managerial team, the other half of which has played in the top flight), he said what nearly every fan thought. 

[Jeremy Corbyn]

1 hour ago, once_bitterne said:

Even playing well last night he still made one defensive howler that could easily have led to a goal being conceded which is not what you want in a defender.

Indeed.  At the heart of it, he's just technically not a very good defender, things like his positioning and defensive decision making are poor.  He makes up for it, in some part, due to his workrate and willing and is quite good on the ball. 

If he's to be a long term option, I think he's either got to:

1. Properly re-train as a swashbuckling right back

2. Develop a lot in his technical defensive capabilities

3. Play in a back 3 that specifically compensates for him

[egg]

20 minutes ago, saintant said:

Lyanco showed last night that there is a player there. I like the way he was initially employed as a right back but the whole team was flexible enough to adapt into 5 at the back when needed with Djenepo dropping into the wing back role. That shows smart thinking and I hope we can maintain that system going forward because it also means we have more height in the side. Certainly until Tino is back and up to speed Lyanco at right back must be an option. He showed with the interception, swift break down the wing and early pass to Mara that he can be a good offensive player. He was calmer last night and needs to maintain that because he's a better player for it although his obvious passion is infectious and raises those around him. Along with others I've criticised his rashness but last night he was immense other than one error of judgement when he rushed across but failed to stop Foden surging down the wing. He's learning and getting better so long may that continue.

The point about Lyanco learning is a good one. Although he's 25, he's only played about 100 games of senior football, and is still coming to terms with the PL. I put his rashness down to trying to impress, but last night showed that he can be calm, and hold his own at this level. He's proved me wrong. 

[John Boy Saint]

55 minutes ago, egg said:

The point about Lyanco learning is a good one. Although he's 25, he's only played about 100 games of senior football, and is still coming to terms with the PL. I put his rashness down to trying to impress, but last night showed that he can be calm, and hold his own at this level. He's proved me wrong. 

As NJ has said Lyanco gets a bit too close to the edge, the fact that he is still in after his recent errors must be down to Jones believing that he can coax the stupidity out of him - without losing his bite and menace. As I mentioned elsewhere, when he shoved Grealish away after he had taken out Moussa - don't think I've seen Grealish capitulate so quickly. We've needed a bit of nasty for a long time. 

[Saint Keef]

Grealish clearly doesn't like us. If you remember he had that "spat" with Romeu not so long ago. My guess is, Lyanco was told to carry on the good work of Romeu and wind him up. 🤣 It obviously worked because Grealish, who was pretty ineffective throughout, was hooked not long afterwards. I was really impressed with Lyanco last night and I think Calleta-Car deserves a big mention too, he seemed to instill a certain calmness around him which probably helps Lyanco. Apart from his early error, Salisu seemed to cope better with Calleta-Car in there. 

[OldNick]

Faced Zaha and Man City as a right back it seems and has done pretty well, as this was a baptism of fire. Well done to NJ and staff if it was their inspiration

[derry]

Lyanco has put in a couple of stand out performances at right back, against Arsenal's Martinelli and last night. His achilles heal is trying to be too clever, He very nearly dropped us right in it  last night taking the ball out he tried a fancy flick and gave the ball away. He needs to keep it simple. He is less of a liability at right back. His interception, run and pass to Mara was outstanding. At the end we kept the ball in that right hand corner and ran a considerable amount of time off the clock. Lyanco backheeled off a defender to win another corner there.

[Toadhall Saint]

Revelation at right back.

[Baird of the land]

4 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

Revelation at right back.

2 be fair he played Cb all 2nd half with Salisu at LB.

I thought he was good against fulham for 80 minutes too. Completely get why Jones' loves him, he helps set the aggressive tone.The big thing is cutting out the major clanger( Head tennis moment fulham, miscontrol forest etc)

[64saint]

On 05/01/2023 at 00:00, Whitey Grandad said:

Absolutely dreadful player. Why does any manager ever pick him?

That post aged well looking at his form in the last couple of games at right back. 🙄.   To be fair I would have probably posted something like that up until a couple of weeks ago.

The old story, new manager comes in and sees something different in a player. We had it with Ward Prowse when Ralph came in, gave him a bit more agression, and now NJ pushing Prowsey further forward into no 10 slot, few weeks ago no one disagreed about him being left out of world cup squad but if it was being picked now ?????

Yep, fair play to NJ and his coaching staff, the ones that are way out of their depth apparently !!!!!

Edited 15 January, 2023 by 64saint

[Whitey Grandad]

45 minutes ago, 64saint said:

That post aged well looking at his form in the last couple of games at right back. 🙄.   To be fair I would have probably posted something like that up until a couple of weeks ago.

The old story, new manager comes in and sees something different in a player. We had it with Ward Prowse when Ralph came in, gave him a bit more agression, and now NJ pushing Prowsey further forward into no 10 slot, few weeks ago no one disagreed about him being left out of world cup squad but if it was being picked now ?????

Yep, fair play to NJ and his coaching staff, the ones that are way out of their depth apparently !!!!!

There is still some way to go before I change my mind. I feel there’s always an accident waiting in him and for some reason his touch on the ball is too heavy. Maybe he’s pumped up with adrenaline but he regularly over hits the pass.